DID I GET ROBBED? CAN I ASK FOR MY MONEY BACK? (1 Viewer)

[Sack-Religious]

You'd want to prioritize tiers more importantly, not necessarily the position overall.If the Brady/Brees/Rodgers/Vick tier (example only) had a 20ppg avg and the next tier an average of 16ppg, that's a 4ppg difference. But if the rules heavily favour QBs (let's say triple their points), then that 4 becomes a 12ppg, which is huge, and you definitely want to make sure you take a top tier QB.As for the OP, I don't know. You could certainly try to withdraw, though there's not much you can do if they refuse to hand you back the entry fee beyond sucking it up.

Thank you thats what I've been trying to explain that because of the scoring rule that I didn't know it threw everything out of wack. Can you tell me what Brady scored in you league he scored 112 in mine. My other league 40 points big difference.

You really need to read up on VBD. Brady's week this week was an outlier and shouldn't even be used in this discussion. Most weeks the vast majority of QB's will put up 200-280 yards and 1 or 2 TD's.The main principle of VBD is that you're not going for the highest scoring player, overall. What you want is the player that outscores the other players at the same position.You can't look at the raw numbers in a vacuum - you have to compare them with the other players at the same position. Read the article linked in my previous post, it explains it quite simply.

 

[schooner44]

You got Stafford who, barring injury, will easily finish top 10 this year...maybe even top 5. You should have found out the rules beforehand but it also sounds like the league isn't run very well. Chaulk it up as a learning experience, play out the year and don't return next year.

 

[Armyvet]

Yes. Many people, including the OP, are just confused about the mathematics of fantasy football. The #32 QB may outscore all RBs, but that doesn't mean QBs are necessarily more valuable than RBs.I have sympathy for the OP's plight. Here is the lesson for you to learn: do not rely on anyone "explaining" anything to you. Make sure everything is written down next time you join a league. Politely raise this issue in this league and start a project of writing the league's bylaws.

well said. In this league a qb that consistently throw for 300 yard games has more value. Someone made a great point about tiers and I had 4 quarterbacks in 1st tier. Had I known the full scoring system I would have drafted differently. Nex time I gotta get it in writing. Thanx for your input

 

[Cawbird]

A few thoughts here.........

1. Did you start Stafford last week? he went for 305 and 3td's. With the wacky scoring system, he should have done you wonders. If not......are you more upset that you started Big Ben and he had a bad game?

2. Take this all in as a valuable learning experience and be better prepared for next year. You said that Rivers and Brady were still available at pick 7, so remember that at draft time next year.

3. The season is 1 week old. This topic may even qualify to be placed in the Overreaction thread. I don't know the rest of your roster, but you are not in horrible shape with Stafford and Ben. Your roster will look completely different by mid-season.

4. Manage your team well, hit the free agent wire, and work some good trades.

 

[Armyvet]

I'm trying to find a sliver of hope here bro?How much is the league?How did you hear about it? Are these friends?Was Bernie Madoff present? Sorry, bad joke buddy.

125. A friend. Not close friend but a friend. Don't wanna damage our friendship so I probably make my complaint known and move on with the league. No Madoff was not there lol.

Thank you, Good luck to you Back in 1996, I was naive as hell. I came back fresh as a college grad, and received an inviteinto the league I had wanted to join for a few years. This was before the Internet explosion andthese were all "buddies"Similarly, rules were read at the draft. nothing was being run on-line like it is today.I had prepped as most guys do, grab rbs! So I did, and fell flat on my face that year.I learned all kinds of rulings and parameters during the season, that were not covered at the draft.My point in explaining this is that:When it comes to money, some guys just don't give a rat's behind. Desperate guys do desperate things.Secondly, you're the new guy. Not all folks are gonna bend over backwards to explain every intricate detailThey stated it, so in their minds, it was covered.Entry fee was $250.00. So in my case, it hurt, a lot. I did not have a real job, but man, Iwanted in that league so bad, bc that's all we talked about at Flag football, softball, golf, everything was the FF League.So, I'd finish by stating:You may have to take your lumps this year. But anything involving money, and not having a scoring system or constitution online and available before the draft would have raised a red flag for me.I'd bring it up to your friend as well, but pushing it is gonna be sour grapes at this point. Casually mention it, and move on.Similar to others, I think Stafford is going to be a gem for you. Your very own lack of knowledge of the rules may have helped you draft your team?Lastly, Thank You for serving and fighting for our freedom. Good Luck to your season bro.

 

[Armyvet]

A few thoughts here.........1. Did you start Stafford last week? he went for 305 and 3td's. With the wacky scoring system, he should have done you wonders. If not......are you more upset that you started Big Ben and he had a bad game?2. Take this all in as a valuable learning experience and be better prepared for next year. You said that Rivers and Brady were still available at pick 7, so remember that at draft time next year.3. The season is 1 week old. This topic may even qualify to be placed in the Overreaction thread. I don't know the rest of your roster, but you are not in horrible shape with Stafford and Ben. Your roster will look completely different by mid-season.4. Manage your team well, hit the free agent wire, and work some good trades.

Stafford had 60 on my bench. Big Ben had 40. In my other league Ben had 5pts. The point I'm making is that in my opinion the one rule that is the most different from the norm is the one rule that was not given. I learned a lesson a 125 dollar lesson.I will let my feelings known to my friend who is also the commish and move on. Unless he gives me an out. I will take a half buy out at this point.

 

[Apple Jack]

So, basically, you're just angry because Big Ben had a very bad week. Don't worry about it. He'll get it together, and will most likely put up numbers this weekend. And while you didn't just learn a lesson...this is a very valuable lesson in life...your season is anything but over. Sack up and get in the game. And avoid getting involved with these people ever again when there is anything of value at stake.

 

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If this was a paper and you was my professor or a report and you was my boss that will be different.

If this was a paper and you WERE my professor or a report and you WERE my boss that WOULD be different. HTH

 

[JamesTheScot]

<br>I am the only new member in  this ten man league I joined last week. Before the draft we went over the scoring system. I was happy to draft Jamal Charles with the 7th pick. A few days after the draft I learned something wasnt explain to me. It was a pass per completion league and big play bonus league. Needles to say its a quarterback league Brady scored 112 points, brees 82 points and rodgers 65 points. Had I known that Qbs wold be rewarded so heavily for having 300 yaqrd games I would have drafted Brady or Rivers in 1st round or I would have not drafted at all. We spent 15 mintes going over the points and ppc or bonuses passing yards was not mentioned. Am I wrong to ask for my money back?<br>

<br><br>You're probably in the right, but there's no good way to fix it.  Too late for a redraft and you have no leverage to demand a refund outside of their own sense of fair play...which may differ from yours given how important scoring details were left out of the explanation.  And if you take steps to mess with them by throwing games they'll just lock you out.<br><br>If they supposedly went over the rules but left out what are pretty critical scoring details, then it does look bad on their part.<br><br>But is there a league website where you were supposed to go look at the scoring system beforehand but didn't...and then sprung a question about scoring on them right when the draft is getting ready to start? If that's the case, then you do share some of the blame.<br><br>BTW, if it was such a QB friendly league, how was Brady there for you at 7?

 

[Armyvet]

So, basically, you're just angry because Big Ben had a very bad week. Don't worry about it. He'll get it together, and will most likely put up numbers this weekend. And while you didn't just learn a lesson...this is a very valuable lesson in life...your season is anything but over. Sack up and get in the game. And avoid getting involved with these people ever again when there is anything of value at stake.

I'm upset because this league have one bizarre rule that top performing qbs score 4 times as much as top performing rbs or wrs. And that this one rule which in my opinion is the farthest from the norm was left out. I'm gonna calm down and call my friend who is also the commish and see if I can get out. If he say no then it is what it is. thank u for your comment

 

[Limp Ditka]

I am the only new member in this ten man league I joined last week. Before the draft we went over the scoring system. I was happy to draft Jamal Charles with the 7th pick. A few days after the draft I learned something wasnt explain to me. It was a pass per completion league and big play bonus league. Needles to say its a quarterback league Brady scored 112 points, brees 82 points and rodgers 65 points. Had I known that Qbs wold be rewarded so heavily for having 300 yaqrd games I would have drafted Brady or Rivers in 1st round or I would have not drafted at all. We spent 15 mintes going over the points and ppc or bonuses passing yards was not mentioned. Am I wrong to ask for my money back?

BTW, if it was such a QB friendly league, how was Brady there for you at 7?

 

[Apple Jack]

It's all based on depth at the position relative the number of people in the league. The fact that QBs get weighted heavier does not inherently mean you want to go straight for QBs. It could, depending on how players values look that year, but it's not inherent, and no more likely than that you'd want to go for a RB first in a league with the same scoring.

 

[oukurt]

You didnt read the rules or ask question and you want your money back? There is always one.....

This/thread

 

[Cawbird]

So help me understand.

You said that you were the only new guy in the league this year, and there is that crazy QB scoring. If all of the other owners were in the league last year with the crazy QB scoring, then how in the world was Brady still there at 7????? He should have easily been #3 after Rodgers and Vick. Either some of the owners are too dumb to realize that QB's are HUGE, or they didn't see that QB had a huge advantage over the course of the season. Plug Stafford into your lineup this week and enjoy the free bonue points.

Can you send over the 1st round of your draft to the rest of us? I would be interested to see who else took a non-QB in the 1st round.

As another poster noted.............we can't thank you enough for serving our country!!!!!!

 

[oukurt]

You didnt read the rules or ask question and you want your money back? There is always one.....

You cant read the rules if they werent there to read. When going over the scoring system that was kept in the dark. What if I had a league that gave Te triple points and defenses triple points but failed to mention it. And you dont grab a Te and D until the 9th and 10th round. Would you fill cheated?

I would not join a league in which I didn't read the rules. Common sense 101.

 

[Armyvet]

I am the only new member in this ten man league I joined last week. Before the draft we went over the scoring system. I was happy to draft Jamal Charles with the 7th pick. A few days after the draft I learned something wasnt explain to me. It was a pass per completion league and big play bonus league. Needles to say its a quarterback league Brady scored 112 points, brees 82 points and rodgers 65 points. Had I known that Qbs wold be rewarded so heavily for having 300 yaqrd games I would have drafted Brady or Rivers in 1st round or I would have not drafted at all. We spent 15 mintes going over the points and ppc or bonuses passing yards was not mentioned. Am I wrong to ask for my money back?

You're probably in the right, but there's no good way to fix it. Too late for a redraft and you have no leverage to demand a refund outside of their own sense of fair play...which may differ from your given how important scoring details were left out of the explanation. And if you take steps to mess with them by throwing games they'll just lock you out.If they supposedly went over the rules but left out what are pretty critical scoring details, then it does look bad on their part.But is there a league website where you were supposed to go look at the scoring system beforehand but didn't...and then sprung a question about scoring on them right when the draft is getting ready to start? If that's the case, then you do share some of the blame.BTW, if it was such a QB friendly league, how was Brady there for you at 7?

To be honest had I known of the scoring rule I would have grab Rivers or Brady, Draft order. Rodgers, brees, ray rice, foster, Chris johnson, peterson. I dont know why Brady was there all I can tell you is that I was thinking Brees what a weird pick at 2. I really have no reason to lie. We went over the rules and I didnt ask anything about per completion and bonus pass yards because I never heard of them. That one rule should have been the first discuss and not the one forgotten. I was the only knew guy but every friend I talk to say that they never heard of such a league. I was given website 2 days after draft on the website the scoring was listed.

 

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You never should have let Qwerts talk you into joining that league.

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[brun]

...I'm gonna calm down and call my friend who is also the commish and see if I can get out. If he say no then it is what it is. thank u for your comment

If you post your roster and a link to the league site maybe someone here will be willing to buy your team from you if the league allows ownership to transfer mid-season.

 

[JamesTheScot]

I'm sorry, your posts just aren't making me take your side. You should have looked out for yourself and done your due diligence. You don't sound like the type to cover all your bases. Your horrible grammar isn't helping that perception.

Again idiot I dont want or need you to take my side I'm just asking for your opinion. I'm not at work at a job interview I'm in my underwear typing on a net book. Who cares about my grammar.

When you're expecting us to believe that you did all you could to learn the rules of the league you joined, but were lied to and bamboozled, but can't type an entire sentence correctly...it doesn't help you out, and it effects my opinion. Because my opinion here isn't about right or wrong. Its about whether I believe that you did do everything in your power to do the intelligent thing and learn the rules before drafting.And I don't. Your posts don't help.

Just so I am clear...You think his veracity for telling the truth is lacking because he doesn't use correct grammar in his posts?

 

[Armyvet]

So help me understand.You said that you were the only new guy in the league this year, and there is that crazy QB scoring. If all of the other owners were in the league last year with the crazy QB scoring, then how in the world was Brady still there at 7????? He should have easily been #3 after Rodgers and Vick. Either some of the owners are too dumb to realize that QB's are HUGE, or they didn't see that QB had a huge advantage over the course of the season. Plug Stafford into your lineup this week and enjoy the free bonue points.Can you send over the 1st round of your draft to the rest of us? I would be interested to see who else took a non-QB in the 1st round.As another poster noted.............we can't thank you enough for serving our country!!!!!!

Rodgers, Brees,C. Johnson, Foster,Peterson,Ray Rice, J. Charles, Andre Johnson, Brady,Vick. 2nd started L. Mccoy,Johnson det wr, Rivers, and I drafted Roddy White. Your right I don't know how they didnt draft a qb 1st pick but by 2nd round only 2 didnt have a qb and I was one of them. So I wasnt in a rush to draft one had i known all the points given to qbs for completion and 300 yard games I would have drafted rivers or brady 1st round. In my league brady scored 112 points and best runner scored 30 points. And my other league Brady scored 40 and best rb 30.

 

[Johnny Blood]

Nobody accused him of lying. I'm pretty sure he thinks that the likelihood of this person clearly presenting all the facts is proportional to his ability to communicate in English. Or that the likelihood that he did his due diligence is proportional to that.

Someone can tell a misleading or incomplete story without intending to do so and without lying.

Nobody thinks he's lying about where Brady was drafted, right? The idea is that Brady should've gone higher given what we are hearing.

 

[JamesTheScot]

I'm sorry, your posts just aren't making me take your side. You should have looked out for yourself and done your due diligence. You don't sound like the type to cover all your bases. Your horrible grammar isn't helping that perception.

Again idiot I dont want or need you to take my side I'm just asking for your opinion. I'm not at work at a job interview I'm in my underwear typing on a net book. Who cares about my grammar.

When you're expecting us to believe that you did all you could to learn the rules of the league you joined, but were lied to and bamboozled, but can't type an entire sentence correctly...it doesn't help you out, and it effects my opinion. Because my opinion here isn't about right or wrong. Its about whether I believe that you did do everything in your power to do the intelligent thing and learn the rules before drafting.And I don't. Your posts don't help.

Conn is very right here. How can a guy who can't type a coherent sentence honestly expect people to believe he did what he could to know the rules? Although ConnSkins - you want "affect" in this case, not effect. Also, your last sentence should be "it's". So if you're going to make the "your grammar is an indicator of other things about you" argument, make sure yours is perfect. (Laws of Karma would say that there is now a typo in my post that I won't catch, but whatever...)

Classic.Let's see what generalizations we can make about ConnSkins based on his abuse of the language.

Signed,

a reformed elitist grammar nazi

 

[Sack-Religious]

So help me understand.You said that you were the only new guy in the league this year, and there is that crazy QB scoring. If all of the other owners were in the league last year with the crazy QB scoring, then how in the world was Brady still there at 7????? He should have easily been #3 after Rodgers and Vick. Either some of the owners are too dumb to realize that QB's are HUGE, or they didn't see that QB had a huge advantage over the course of the season. Plug Stafford into your lineup this week and enjoy the free bonue points.Can you send over the 1st round of your draft to the rest of us? I would be interested to see who else took a non-QB in the 1st round.As another poster noted.............we can't thank you enough for serving our country!!!!!!

Rodgers, Brees,C. Johnson, Foster,Peterson,Ray Rice, J. Charles, Andre Johnson, Brady,Vick. 2nd started L. Mccoy,Johnson det wr, Rivers, and I drafted Roddy White. Your right I don't know how they didnt draft a qb 1st pick but by 2nd round only 2 didnt have a qb and I was one of them. So I wasnt in a rush to draft one had i known all the points given to qbs for completion and 300 yard games I would have drafted rivers or brady 1st round. In my league brady scored 112 points and best runner scored 30 points. And my other league Brady scored 40 and best rb 30.

What did the #2 QB score and what did the #2 RB score?It's those relative values that determine who is more valuable. That said, Brady's week 1, may not be the best example of this because that type of scoring week is basically unheard of.

 

[Armyvet]

I'm sorry, your posts just aren't making me take your side. You should have looked out for yourself and done your due diligence. You don't sound like the type to cover all your bases. Your horrible grammar isn't helping that perception.

Again idiot I dont want or need you to take my side I'm just asking for your opinion. I'm not at work at a job interview I'm in my underwear typing on a net book. Who cares about my grammar.

When you're expecting us to believe that you did all you could to learn the rules of the league you joined, but were lied to and bamboozled, but can't type an entire sentence correctly...it doesn't help you out, and it effects my opinion. Because my opinion here isn't about right or wrong. Its about whether I believe that you did do everything in your power to do the intelligent thing and learn the rules before drafting.And I don't. Your posts don't help.

Just so I am clear...You think his veracity for telling the truth is lacking because he doesn't use correct grammar in his posts?

Yup. I have no reason to lie I just wanted to ask a question.One guy even said I'm not an army vet. Another said my language would never get me a job at his company. I said I wasn't at a job interview and I can't see myself on that side of an interview since I'm self employed. Then he said my companies will crumble and fail because I don't use periods and apostrophes on a fantasy football blog.

 

[JamesTheScot]

Nobody accused him of lying. I'm pretty sure he thinks that the likelihood of this person clearly presenting all the facts is proportional to his ability to communicate in English. Or that the likelihood that he did his due diligence is proportional to that.

Someone can tell a misleading or incomplete story without intending to do so and without lying.

Nobody thinks he's lying about where Brady was drafted, right? The idea is that Brady should've gone higher given what we are hearing.

Very true. And they do so just as easily using the King's English.I've discovered over my lifetime that you are better off limiting assumptions about poor grammar to questions of education rather than intelligence, competence, ethics or morality.

But it's your mind. Assume away.

 

[Armyvet]

So help me understand.You said that you were the only new guy in the league this year, and there is that crazy QB scoring. If all of the other owners were in the league last year with the crazy QB scoring, then how in the world was Brady still there at 7????? He should have easily been #3 after Rodgers and Vick. Either some of the owners are too dumb to realize that QB's are HUGE, or they didn't see that QB had a huge advantage over the course of the season. Plug Stafford into your lineup this week and enjoy the free bonue points.Can you send over the 1st round of your draft to the rest of us? I would be interested to see who else took a non-QB in the 1st round.As another poster noted.............we can't thank you enough for serving our country!!!!!!

Rodgers, Brees,C. Johnson, Foster,Peterson,Ray Rice, J. Charles, Andre Johnson, Brady,Vick. 2nd started L. Mccoy,Johnson det wr, Rivers, and I drafted Roddy White. Your right I don't know how they didnt draft a qb 1st pick but by 2nd round only 2 didnt have a qb and I was one of them. So I wasnt in a rush to draft one had i known all the points given to qbs for completion and 300 yard games I would have drafted rivers or brady 1st round. In my league brady scored 112 points and best runner scored 30 points. And my other league Brady scored 40 and best rb 30.

What did the #2 QB score and what did the #2 RB score?It's those relative values that determine who is more valuable. That said, Brady's week 1, may not be the best example of this because that type of scoring week is basically unheard of.

Brees scored 82 and Rodgers 65 the other rbs scored around close to 30 28 and 29 I believe.

 

[Apple Jack]

Nobody accused him of lying. I'm pretty sure he thinks that the likelihood of this person clearly presenting all the facts is proportional to his ability to communicate in English. Or that the likelihood that he did his due diligence is proportional to that.

Someone can tell a misleading or incomplete story without intending to do so and without lying.

Nobody thinks he's lying about where Brady was drafted, right? The idea is that Brady should've gone higher given what we are hearing.

Very true. And they do so just as easily using the King's English.I've discovered over my lifetime that you are better off limiting assumptions about poor grammar to questions of education rather than intelligence, competence, ethics or morality.

But it's your mind. Assume away.

Exactly. Getting obnoxious about somebody's grammar or posting style like that speaks way more of the person doing it than of the person with the grammatical issues. Not everybody was born with a winning lottery ticket. And communication and perfect grammar are two completely independent things.I think Armyvet might want to consider keeping his team rather than trying to get out. Big Ben is not a bad QB to have in that format. Week one was an anomaly, and might, in the end, wind up being a net positive, as it could light a fire under him.

 

[bulger2holt]

I picked 10th in my league and got Mendy so I e-mailed my commish and demanded my money back because I didn't AP or Rice.

 

[Apple Jack]

I picked 10th in my league and got Mendy so I e-mailed my commish and demanded my money back because I didn't AP or Rice.

Not at all analogous to the OP's situation.

 

[Sack-Religious]

So help me understand.You said that you were the only new guy in the league this year, and there is that crazy QB scoring. If all of the other owners were in the league last year with the crazy QB scoring, then how in the world was Brady still there at 7????? He should have easily been #3 after Rodgers and Vick. Either some of the owners are too dumb to realize that QB's are HUGE, or they didn't see that QB had a huge advantage over the course of the season. Plug Stafford into your lineup this week and enjoy the free bonue points.Can you send over the 1st round of your draft to the rest of us? I would be interested to see who else took a non-QB in the 1st round.As another poster noted.............we can't thank you enough for serving our country!!!!!!

Rodgers, Brees,C. Johnson, Foster,Peterson,Ray Rice, J. Charles, Andre Johnson, Brady,Vick. 2nd started L. Mccoy,Johnson det wr, Rivers, and I drafted Roddy White. Your right I don't know how they didnt draft a qb 1st pick but by 2nd round only 2 didnt have a qb and I was one of them. So I wasnt in a rush to draft one had i known all the points given to qbs for completion and 300 yard games I would have drafted rivers or brady 1st round. In my league brady scored 112 points and best runner scored 30 points. And my other league Brady scored 40 and best rb 30.

What did the #2 QB score and what did the #2 RB score?It's those relative values that determine who is more valuable. That said, Brady's week 1, may not be the best example of this because that type of scoring week is basically unheard of.

Brees scored 82 and Rodgers 65 the other rbs scored around close to 30 28 and 29 I believe.

What about Henne and Newton's scores? Are there heavy penalties for INTs? Is there another bonus for 30+ completions in a game? Looking at the yards and completions, Henne, Newton, Rivers and even Sanchez should have put up pretty similar numbers.Again, and what can't be lost here is that Brady's week 1 this year isn't likely to be duplicated, so using that as your baseline comparison probably isn't the best idea.

 

[Crazy Tony]

ARMYVET...

You're a little defense. I agree it does suck that you weren't aware of the bonus tiers for QBs.

As a newb it seems like you asked great questions. So you seemed informed. Most guys at drafts are more concerned with their own draft than really holding the hand of any new owners. You can still win this league. You might post a comment saying..."I disappointed I wasn't informed of bonus tier scoring prior to the draft as I probably would have made changes. If I had been granted access to review scoring rules etc on my own it would've been my responsibility to be informed. The way it was handled should probably be changed in the future. So we're not screwing people over.

Leave it at that. Don't ask for money back. I doubt you'll ever go into another league w/o knowing all of the rules first. So it's good lesson.

You did way better than me in my first draft. I showed up, paid my $50 drank some beer and wondered why people had these magazines and lists. We didn't have IDPs and I tried to Draft Shawn Springs some guy I heard about on TV for SEA....They said We don't take IDPs...you typically draft a whole team and you do that last....So I tried to draft Joey Galloway...they stopped the draft again and one owner asked...You Paid right? "yes" cool...so this is the last mulligan...Joey Galloway is holding out the entire year... pick another player. I didn't know any other players. The one I could think of was Shannon Sharpe for DEN....I drafted him....Great TE but he got hurt on the first play of the game and was out for the season.

I ended up with Tim Biakabatuka Napolean Kaufman as my RBs. I still had fun and learned a lot. The next year I got 3rd. The following year I won it all. The best part was beating the guy that talked smack about my team in week 6. Mr. Football Guru lost to the guy that had the worst draft in FF history.

True you didn't have all of the info. You would've done something differently but there's nothing you can really do about it. You could ask for your money back...still manage the team but not win any money...FORFEIT the pool. That seems stupid. Try to get in the playoffs and get lucky.

You've got great QBs and solid roster and 12 more weeks until the playoffs.

This is pretty typical in life if you whine and ##### it only makes you look worse. If you take it in stride and overcome challenge in spite of everything you're that much more impressive.

Good luck this season.

 

[JamesTheScot]

I'm sorry, your posts just aren't making me take your side. You should have looked out for yourself and done your due diligence. You don't sound like the type to cover all your bases. Your horrible grammar isn't helping that perception.

Again idiot I dont want or need you to take my side I'm just asking for your opinion. I'm not at work at a job interview I'm in my underwear typing on a net book. Who cares about my grammar.

When you're expecting us to believe that you did all you could to learn the rules of the league you joined, but were lied to and bamboozled, but can't type an entire sentence correctly...it doesn't help you out, and it effects my opinion. Because my opinion here isn't about right or wrong. Its about whether I believe that you did do everything in your power to do the intelligent thing and learn the rules before drafting.And I don't. Your posts don't help.

Listen I dont care if you dont like that I'm not using periods and apostrophes. If this was a paper and you was my professor or a report and you was my boss that will be different. Youre not my professor or my boss because I'm out of school and self employed so move on and get a life and stop reading random post for grammatical errors.

I don't think you get it. People apply weight to your words based on personality, appearance, whether you seem like you understand the subject you're discussing...on an internet forum all they see is what you type. And what you type says, "Hey. I want sympathy for not knowing my league's scoring, but I can't even type decent English at a 4th grade level, so maybe you should be questioning whether or not my claims are true. Maybe I WAS told the scoring but I wasn't paying attention, or I forgot. After all...you've seen I lack the ability to express myself at a high level in English, so maybe I just don't have the greatest memory either."What you type and how you type it reflects upon you. It affects your credibility. It effects a response in others regarding the content of your posts. That's reality, and it doesn't matter at what point in life you do it, you should think highly enough of yourself to care about how the things you say and the ways you say them affect your image - especially if you're asking for sympathy from people.ETA: It could be that you have an amazing, or even eidetic memory...but nobody would know that because of how you represent yourself with your typing.

The irony here is that some of you implicitly feel validated in your assumptions about Armyvet, based on an admittedly partial picture of him, while at the same time you berate him for making similar assumptions about the completeness of his understanding of a scoring system when his league mates knew he was new and didn't have access to the website until after the draft.But then again, I'm a fair play kinda guy. If I know the transmission on the car I'm selling is iffy, I don't wait around for the person buying it to ask if I've had any problems with the car recently. I know that I have information that they would want to know when buying the car. And I figure if I disclose that up front, I lessen my chances of being sued for fraud or getting a request for a refund on it.So what I can say with certainty is that if the situation did develop as Armyvet stated, I wouldn't have intentionally left out the 300 yard bonus and point-per-reception when the new guy who was brought into the league a few days ago and has never seen the website or a set of rules and asks about the scoring system. I don't see where omission differs from a lie in this case. Omission of critical information can be just as actionable as a lie.

 

[footballnerd]

Personally I'd rather have your two potential top 5 QBs and early round picks of the best of the other positions than getting Brady in the first round. Plus you can always trade one of your QBs to the Manning owner for his top RB and WR.

 

[bulger2holt]

I picked 10th in my league and got Mendy so I e-mailed my commish and demanded my money back because I didn't AP or Rice.

Not at all analogous to the OP's situation.

I know, I was just being a Weisenheimer

 

[Wyld Stallyns]

Personally I'd rather have your two potential top 5 QBs and early round picks of the best of the other positions than getting Brady in the first round. Plus you can always trade one of your QBs to the Manning owner for his top RB and WR.

Seriously. I don't know what this guy's problem is - I'd feel like I was sitting on a potential jackpot with Stafford/BigBen/Roddy and Jamaal, plus whoever else he has. Both of his QB's are going to have big games this weekend and he's trying to get out of the league before even realizing what a solid team he has. Comical.

 

[Armyvet]

Nobody accused him of lying. I'm pretty sure he thinks that the likelihood of this person clearly presenting all the facts is proportional to his ability to communicate in English. Or that the likelihood that he did his due diligence is proportional to that.

Someone can tell a misleading or incomplete story without intending to do so and without lying.

Nobody thinks he's lying about where Brady was drafted, right? The idea is that Brady should've gone higher given what we are hearing.

Very true. And they do so just as easily using the King's English.I've discovered over my lifetime that you are better off limiting assumptions about poor grammar to questions of education rather than intelligence, competence, ethics or morality.

But it's your mind. Assume away.

Thank you. To be honest My professions as a Army Medic, Land Lord and Retail Owner doesn't require me to be perfect in my grammar so yes it may be lacking. I'm not hear to argue with people about their prejudices. The product that I sale I was one of only 4 people that offered it and out the 4 although my prices was the lowest and my marketing fees the highest I sold less than all my competition. I notice that I got alot of calls that didn't panned out alot of no shows. I'm a black male and on the phone you can tell. I hired a white female to answer the phones and make appointments. My business tripled in 2 months and I'm opening my second store in March. Did it tripled because she spoke the King's English or because she was a white female? So yeah I'm use to the assumptions and prejudices and it doesn't bother me. The only color that matters to me is green.

 

[JamesTheScot]

Yes. Many people, including the OP, are just confused about the mathematics of fantasy football. The #32 QB may outscore all RBs, but that doesn't mean QBs are necessarily more valuable than RBs.I have sympathy for the OP's plight. Here is the lesson for you to learn: do not rely on anyone "explaining" anything to you. Make sure everything is written down next time you join a league. Politely raise this issue in this league and start a project of writing the league's bylaws.

If there's a bonus for going over 300 yards, then a QB who is more likely to pass for 301 yards has a greater relative value in that system than a QB that is more likely to pass for 299 yards over and above what the 2 yard difference would mean in per-yard scoring.So if I understand VBD conceptually, that now means that the 301 yard QB just jumped a few places in the overall, multi-player rankings because not all players at his position are similarly inflated. Compilers in that system would tend to become a more valuable commodity. The difference in a 3000 yard passer, a 3500 yard passer and a 4000 yard passer isn't the same as it would be if yardage only counted as points at a rate of 1/10. The 4000 yard passer is going to see more points than the yardage alone would award him.And that's not even looking at the point per completion advantage a QB like Bradford might have over another QB who has better YPA and throws for just as many yards.I can't stand threshold scoring bonuses and pretty much pass on leagues that use them. But if I were in one, I'd want to know that when picking my QB's.

 

[pantagrapher]

You never should have let Qwerts talk you into joining that league.

This post didn't get enough lough

Probably would've fared better in the FFA.

 

[Cawbird]

Injuries are also very common in the NFL. With the Stafford/Ben combo at QB, you may be one of the strongest in the league as far as QB depth. An injury here or there with a QB can completely derail a team with that type of scoring. If everyone else is so focused on QB, be happy with what you have and go against the grain to make sure you are on top of the waiver wire with RB's and WR's. A team that may not have the QB depth may make a critical mistake if their QB gets injured. I don't know how deep your rosters are, but if Vick goes down, that owner may scramble to try and find a decent replacement because of lack of depth. he may end up dropping a quality RB or WR because of roster size. Or..........you can now make the decision to offer out on of your QB's and get a stud RB/WR in return.

If I knew who you were, I would even offer to partner up and send you 1/2 of the entry fee.

 

[Stealthycat]

In my other league Ben had 5pts

I'd quit that league and demand your money back

 

[Apple Jack]

Nobody accused him of lying. I'm pretty sure he thinks that the likelihood of this person clearly presenting all the facts is proportional to his ability to communicate in English. Or that the likelihood that he did his due diligence is proportional to that.

Someone can tell a misleading or incomplete story without intending to do so and without lying.

Nobody thinks he's lying about where Brady was drafted, right? The idea is that Brady should've gone higher given what we are hearing.

Very true. And they do so just as easily using the King's English.I've discovered over my lifetime that you are better off limiting assumptions about poor grammar to questions of education rather than intelligence, competence, ethics or morality.

But it's your mind. Assume away.

Thank you. To be honest My professions as a Army Medic, Land Lord and Retail Owner doesn't require me to be perfect in my grammar so yes it may be lacking. I'm not hear to argue with people about their prejudices. The product that I sale I was one of only 4 people that offered it and out the 4 although my prices was the lowest and my marketing fees the highest I sold less than all my competition. I notice that I got alot of calls that didn't panned out alot of no shows. I'm a black male and on the phone you can tell. I hired a white female to answer the phones and make appointments. My business tripled in 2 months and I'm opening my second store in March. Did it tripled because she spoke the King's English or because she was a white female? So yeah I'm use to the assumptions and prejudices and it doesn't bother me. The only color that matters to me is green.

That's lame. But it's good to see you have thick skin about it and are focused on your goal. Nobody more annoying on the internet than grammar nazis who additionally pass judgment on those they're correcting. These people tend to be inadequate where it counts.As others have said, you should keep your team. And dedicate yourself to winning this league. Imagine the satisfaction after this. And thank you for serving.

 

[Armyvet]

ARMYVET... You're a little defense. I agree it does suck that you weren't aware of the bonus tiers for QBs. As a newb it seems like you asked great questions. So you seemed informed. Most guys at drafts are more concerned with their own draft than really holding the hand of any new owners. You can still win this league. You might post a comment saying..."I disappointed I wasn't informed of bonus tier scoring prior to the draft as I probably would have made changes. If I had been granted access to review scoring rules etc on my own it would've been my responsibility to be informed. The way it was handled should probably be changed in the future. So we're not screwing people over. Leave it at that. Don't ask for money back. I doubt you'll ever go into another league w/o knowing all of the rules first. So it's good lesson. You did way better than me in my first draft. I showed up, paid my $50 drank some beer and wondered why people had these magazines and lists. We didn't have IDPs and I tried to Draft Shawn Springs some guy I heard about on TV for SEA....They said We don't take IDPs...you typically draft a whole team and you do that last....So I tried to draft Joey Galloway...they stopped the draft again and one owner asked...You Paid right? "yes" cool...so this is the last mulligan...Joey Galloway is holding out the entire year... pick another player. I didn't know any other players. The one I could think of was Shannon Sharpe for DEN....I drafted him....Great TE but he got hurt on the first play of the game and was out for the season. I ended up with Tim Biakabatuka Napolean Kaufman as my RBs. I still had fun and learned a lot. The next year I got 3rd. The following year I won it all. The best part was beating the guy that talked smack about my team in week 6. Mr. Football Guru lost to the guy that had the worst draft in FF history. True you didn't have all of the info. You would've done something differently but there's nothing you can really do about it. You could ask for your money back...still manage the team but not win any money...FORFEIT the pool. That seems stupid. Try to get in the playoffs and get lucky. You've got great QBs and solid roster and 12 more weeks until the playoffs. This is pretty typical in life if you whine and ##### it only makes you look worse. If you take it in stride and overcome challenge in spite of everything you're that much more impressive. Good luck this season.

Thanx. I will take your advice. After hearing your draft I don't feel so bad any more.

 

[Johnny Blood]

That's lame. But it's good to see you have thick skin about it and are focused on your goal. Nobody more annoying on the internet than grammar nazis who additionally pass judgment on those they're correcting. These people tend to be inadequate where it counts.

They aren't good at math?

 

[JamesTheScot]

I'm sorry, your posts just aren't making me take your side. You should have looked out for yourself and done your due diligence. You don't sound like the type to cover all your bases. Your horrible grammar isn't helping that perception.

Again idiot I dont want or need you to take my side I'm just asking for your opinion. I'm not at work at a job interview I'm in my underwear typing on a net book. Who cares about my grammar.

When you're expecting us to believe that you did all you could to learn the rules of the league you joined, but were lied to and bamboozled, but can't type an entire sentence correctly...it doesn't help you out, and it effects my opinion. Because my opinion here isn't about right or wrong. Its about whether I believe that you did do everything in your power to do the intelligent thing and learn the rules before drafting.And I don't. Your posts don't help.

Listen I dont care if you dont like that I'm not using periods and apostrophes. If this was a paper and you was my professor or a report and you was my boss that will be different. Youre not my professor or my boss because I'm out of school and self employed so move on and get a life and stop reading random post for grammatical errors.

I don't think you get it. People apply weight to your words based on personality, appearance, whether you seem like you understand the subject you're discussing...on an internet forum all they see is what you type. And what you type says, "Hey. I want sympathy for not knowing my league's scoring, but I can't even type decent English at a 4th grade level, so maybe you should be questioning whether or not my claims are true. Maybe I WAS told the scoring but I wasn't paying attention, or I forgot. After all...you've seen I lack the ability to express myself at a high level in English, so maybe I just don't have the greatest memory either."What you type and how you type it reflects upon you. It affects your credibility. It effects a response in others regarding the content of your posts. That's reality, and it doesn't matter at what point in life you do it, you should think highly enough of yourself to care about how the things you say and the ways you say them affect your image - especially if you're asking for sympathy from people.

ETA: It could be that you have an amazing, or even eidetic memory...but nobody would know that because of how you represent yourself with your typing.

Again I'm not asking for sympathy. I'm asking is it just to ask for a refund. I'm not asking you to judge my grammar. I dont take these post serious as you. And I don't care what you think of me or my grammar so draw whatever beliefs you want and call me what ever you like. One thing I know for sure is that this is make believe land and this is where the geeks can be tough. So enjoy you're toughness in make believe land.

To answer your question then: No. It is not just to ask for a refund. You screwed up. You didn't ask questions. You didn't do the due diligence. From everything you have posted, it wouldn't surprise me to learn that you were informed and simply forgot.It's not about toughness. I sure as hell lack that. It's not about judging you or your grammar. It's the simply fact that an inability to effectively make your point takes away from the point itself. And it's "your" toughness. I have not called you anything. I have simply pointed out that your inability to type coherently is damaging the points you make. You can do what you like with that advice, but it will help you be more successful in life outside the internet as well, especially since it isn't just typos and apostrophes you miss, but verb tenses as well. Learning when to use "was" and "were" will help you in real life contacts with other people as well. I know for sure that fi I were to be interviewing someone and they used the phrase "If you was..." I would immediately drop them to the bottom of my hiring list.

No refund. This is entirely on you.

Well lucky for me I will never be on that side of a job interview. Honesty, work ethicand dependability is what I require out of my employees. I can carless if they type on a blog using " 4th grade grammar " or if they say yall or yous. I was or I were does it really matter in this setting. Language changing rather yall like it or not.

This is sad. Not only do you not get it in fantasy football, but it's looking like you don't necessarily get it in life, either.Good luck, with that outlook. You're lucky that you're already self-employed. If you were entering the work-force now with this attitude, you wouldn't do very well.

Not to mention your first point. If that's all you look for in employees, then I'm going to assume that its unskilled labor. Those jobs are never guaranteed to stick around, and neither is the job you have: supervising them, I assume.

If he's self-employed, that may mean he effectively re-enters the work place every day of his work life.And if he's successful at it, then that must also mean that his grammatical shortcomings aren't quite as critical as you assume them to be.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Nobody accused him of lying. I'm pretty sure he thinks that the likelihood of this person clearly presenting all the facts is proportional to his ability to communicate in English. Or that the likelihood that he did his due diligence is proportional to that.

Someone can tell a misleading or incomplete story without intending to do so and without lying.

Nobody thinks he's lying about where Brady was drafted, right? The idea is that Brady should've gone higher given what we are hearing.

Very true. And they do so just as easily using the King's English.I've discovered over my lifetime that you are better off limiting assumptions about poor grammar to questions of education rather than intelligence, competence, ethics or morality.

But it's your mind. Assume away.

Thank you. To be honest My professions as a Army Medic, Land Lord and Retail Owner doesn't require me to be perfect in my grammar so yes it may be lacking. I'm not hear to argue with people about their prejudices. The product that I sale I was one of only 4 people that offered it and out the 4 although my prices was the lowest and my marketing fees the highest I sold less than all my competition. I notice that I got alot of calls that didn't panned out alot of no shows. I'm a black male and on the phone you can tell. I hired a white female to answer the phones and make appointments. My business tripled in 2 months and I'm opening my second store in March. Did it tripled because she spoke the King's English or because she was a white female? So yeah I'm use to the assumptions and prejudices and it doesn't bother me. The only color that matters to me is green.

You seriously think I assumed you were black from your poor grammar, and that's why I got on your case about it, in relation to the thread topic? That's what you concluded from this thread?That's a whole other issue. And its sad.

 

[Sack-Religious]

I'm sorry, your posts just aren't making me take your side. You should have looked out for yourself and done your due diligence. You don't sound like the type to cover all your bases. Your horrible grammar isn't helping that perception.

Again idiot I dont want or need you to take my side I'm just asking for your opinion. I'm not at work at a job interview I'm in my underwear typing on a net book. Who cares about my grammar.

When you're expecting us to believe that you did all you could to learn the rules of the league you joined, but were lied to and bamboozled, but can't type an entire sentence correctly...it doesn't help you out, and it effects my opinion. Because my opinion here isn't about right or wrong. Its about whether I believe that you did do everything in your power to do the intelligent thing and learn the rules before drafting.And I don't. Your posts don't help.

Listen I dont care if you dont like that I'm not using periods and apostrophes. If this was a paper and you was my professor or a report and you was my boss that will be different. Youre not my professor or my boss because I'm out of school and self employed so move on and get a life and stop reading random post for grammatical errors.

I don't think you get it. People apply weight to your words based on personality, appearance, whether you seem like you understand the subject you're discussing...on an internet forum all they see is what you type. And what you type says, "Hey. I want sympathy for not knowing my league's scoring, but I can't even type decent English at a 4th grade level, so maybe you should be questioning whether or not my claims are true. Maybe I WAS told the scoring but I wasn't paying attention, or I forgot. After all...you've seen I lack the ability to express myself at a high level in English, so maybe I just don't have the greatest memory either."What you type and how you type it reflects upon you. It affects your credibility. It effects a response in others regarding the content of your posts. That's reality, and it doesn't matter at what point in life you do it, you should think highly enough of yourself to care about how the things you say and the ways you say them affect your image - especially if you're asking for sympathy from people.

ETA: It could be that you have an amazing, or even eidetic memory...but nobody would know that because of how you represent yourself with your typing.

Again I'm not asking for sympathy. I'm asking is it just to ask for a refund. I'm not asking you to judge my grammar. I dont take these post serious as you. And I don't care what you think of me or my grammar so draw whatever beliefs you want and call me what ever you like. One thing I know for sure is that this is make believe land and this is where the geeks can be tough. So enjoy you're toughness in make believe land.

To answer your question then: No. It is not just to ask for a refund. You screwed up. You didn't ask questions. You didn't do the due diligence. From everything you have posted, it wouldn't surprise me to learn that you were informed and simply forgot.It's not about toughness. I sure as hell lack that. It's not about judging you or your grammar. It's the simply fact that an inability to effectively make your point takes away from the point itself. And it's "your" toughness. I have not called you anything. I have simply pointed out that your inability to type coherently is damaging the points you make. You can do what you like with that advice, but it will help you be more successful in life outside the internet as well, especially since it isn't just typos and apostrophes you miss, but verb tenses as well. Learning when to use "was" and "were" will help you in real life contacts with other people as well. I know for sure that fi I were to be interviewing someone and they used the phrase "If you was..." I would immediately drop them to the bottom of my hiring list.

No refund. This is entirely on you.

Well lucky for me I will never be on that side of a job interview. Honesty, work ethicand dependability is what I require out of my employees. I can carless if they type on a blog using " 4th grade grammar " or if they say yall or yous. I was or I were does it really matter in this setting. Language changing rather yall like it or not.

This is sad. Not only do you not get it in fantasy football, but it's looking like you don't necessarily get it in life, either.Good luck, with that outlook. You're lucky that you're already self-employed. If you were entering the work-force now with this attitude, you wouldn't do very well.

Not to mention your first point. If that's all you look for in employees, then I'm going to assume that its unskilled labor. Those jobs are never guaranteed to stick around, and neither is the job you have: supervising them, I assume.

If he's self-employed, that may mean he effectively re-enters the work place every day of his work life.And if he's successful at it, then that must also mean that his grammatical shortcomings aren't quite as critical as you assume them to be.

All too often around here people only look at things through a white-collar corporate lens. If it doesn't conform to their reality, some people tend to get snobby. Armyvet obviously has success in small business and in the current economic environment that's no small feat. If he can successfully run a business or businesses, outside of that corporate world, it's obvious that he doesn't necessarily need perfect writing or grammar skills. He's also got bigger cojones than the vast majority of the corporate folks around here (myself included) because I know I'd find it pretty difficult to serve in a combat zone.

 

[JamesTheScot]

I am the only new member in this ten man league I joined last week. Before the draft we went over the scoring system. I was happy to draft Jamal Charles with the 7th pick. A few days after the draft I learned something wasnt explain to me. It was a pass per completion league and big play bonus league. Needles to say its a quarterback league Brady scored 112 points, brees 82 points and rodgers 65 points. Had I known that Qbs wold be rewarded so heavily for having 300 yaqrd games I would have drafted Brady or Rivers in 1st round or I would have not drafted at all. We spent 15 mintes going over the points and ppc or bonuses passing yards was not mentioned. Am I wrong to ask for my money back?

You're probably in the right, but there's no good way to fix it. Too late for a redraft and you have no leverage to demand a refund outside of their own sense of fair play...which may differ from your given how important scoring details were left out of the explanation. And if you take steps to mess with them by throwing games they'll just lock you out.If they supposedly went over the rules but left out what are pretty critical scoring details, then it does look bad on their part.But is there a league website where you were supposed to go look at the scoring system beforehand but didn't...and then sprung a question about scoring on them right when the draft is getting ready to start? If that's the case, then you do share some of the blame.BTW, if it was such a QB friendly league, how was Brady there for you at 7?

To be honest had I known of the scoring rule I would have grab Rivers or Brady, Draft order. Rodgers, brees, ray rice, foster, Chris johnson, peterson. I dont know why Brady was there all I can tell you is that I was thinking Brees what a weird pick at 2. I really have no reason to lie. We went over the rules and I didnt ask anything about per completion and bonus pass yards because I never heard of them. That one rule should have been the first discuss and not the one forgotten. I was the only knew guy but every friend I talk to say that they never heard of such a league. I was given website 2 days after draft on the website the scoring was listed.

I don't think you are lying. But even if you were, so what? It's the internet and I have no way of knowing unless something just really seems odd. But even then, it's still the internet and some anonymous person lying to me on a message board still doesn't really matter to me in any meaningful way.I feel for you but all you can do is roll with it. If you think it was an accident on your league mates' part, I wouldn't even ask for my money back. You don't punch someone in the mouth because they accidentally spill their nachos on you at the ball game.

 

[JamesTheScot]

Nobody accused him of lying. I'm pretty sure he thinks that the likelihood of this person clearly presenting all the facts is proportional to his ability to communicate in English. Or that the likelihood that he did his due diligence is proportional to that.

Someone can tell a misleading or incomplete story without intending to do so and without lying.

Nobody thinks he's lying about where Brady was drafted, right? The idea is that Brady should've gone higher given what we are hearing.

Very true. And they do so just as easily using the King's English.I've discovered over my lifetime that you are better off limiting assumptions about poor grammar to questions of education rather than intelligence, competence, ethics or morality.

But it's your mind. Assume away.

Exactly. Getting obnoxious about somebody's grammar or posting style like that speaks way more of the person doing it than of the person with the grammatical issues. Not everybody was born with a winning lottery ticket. And communication and perfect grammar are two completely independent things.I think Armyvet might want to consider keeping his team rather than trying to get out. Big Ben is not a bad QB to have in that format. Week one was an anomaly, and might, in the end, wind up being a net positive, as it could light a fire under him.

I agree with that. I missed his roster being posted, but I thought I saw Stafford connected to his team in some way. If that's the case, I wouldn't sweat too much in a 300 yard bonus league.If the other owners are solid and it was an accidental omission, I'd just mark this season up as a loss leader and do my best knowing that this won't matter much next season.

 

[fred_1_15301]

[quote name='Sack-Religious' timestamp='1316030374'

All too often around here people only look at things through a white-collar corporate lens. If it doesn't conform to their reality, some people tend to get snobby. Armyvet obviously has success in small business and in the current economic environment that's no small feat. If he can successfully run a business or businesses, outside of that corporate world, it's obvious that he doesn't necessarily need perfect writing or grammar skills. He's also got bigger cojones than the vast majority of the corporate folks around here (myself included) because I know I'd find it pretty difficult to serve in a combat zone.

What does this have to do with the topic at hand? Most people in here were not criticizing him because of his grammar. Most were simply indicating that he should have actually read the rules and not relied on others communicating the rules to him. It's fine....he's got a good team and it's a lesson learned for the future.

 

[JamesTheScot]

I picked 10th in my league and got Mendy so I e-mailed my commish and demanded my money back because I didn't AP or Rice.

Not at all analogous to the OP's situation.

I know, I was just being a Weisenheimer

After all, brevity is the soul of wit. Accuracy is not.