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Did the Lions get bent over by the refs? (1 Viewer)
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
The missed a running into the kicker too.
B-Deep
Footballguy
it's clear the lions share none of the responsibility for the loss, it is 100% on the refs
10 yard punts happen, but refs should be perfect
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Suh is held on ~20% of the plays in his career. I've never seen a player held so often.
Fennis
Footballguy
jomar
Footballguy
This is a nice deflection by the nfl. Holds are missed 15 times a game and we all know this. They could've called holding on almost every play of Dallas's final drive. The difference in the game was a non-call holding on Pettigrew on a Detroit 3rd down, then a missed Suh holding on a Dallas 4th down, and finally a called holding on levy on a Dallas 3rd down. All in the last 8:30 of the game. 3 holdings, 2 by Dallas that the nfl admits to missing, and 1 by Detroit that was called. All of them on crucial 3rd and 4th downs. These are the plays that decide games.
It was like 4th and 12. The running into the kicker penalty would have been meaningless, and probably declined because Dallas got a pretty good punt off. And there's no way anyone could have called that play roughing the punter with a straight face.Me too and I posted as much in the thread. If this game was rigged, how did they miss the running into the kicker call?I thought the calls were going in Detroit's favor early in the game.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
Mike Francesa had a good and fair point re: fixing or sinister plot... the NFL had an open door to suspend Suh, no one would have objected to that... if the fix was in, he doesn't play...
BUT...
I don't rule out some minor bias on the behalf of the ref or crew...even if its as simple as subconsciously feeling bad for Romo
BUT...
I don't rule out some minor bias on the behalf of the ref or crew...even if its as simple as subconsciously feeling bad for Romo
jomar
Footballguy
from what I understand, the NFL did suspend Suh and was not going to allow him to play. this decision was overturned by an independent arbitrator, not the NFL.
Treynwreck3
Footballguy
I'm guessing you haven't watched JJ Watt play much this year.Ilov80s said:
Seriously, does anybody whine more than Detroit? Or is it just because Dallas is so polarizing? Cowboys likely get their butts kicked in GB this weekend, so maybe it will all go away.
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Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
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TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Come on. You have to be an over the top Cowboys fan or completely out of your mind to not see that they have a legitimate gripe. #### happens in sports and there's nothing to be done about it, but of course they're gonna be bitter about how the game went down for a long time. Any fan base would be.
Treynwreck3
Footballguy
Detroit got outplayed in the 2H. How about not giving up a 75 yd TD just before the half? How about scoring more than 3 pts in the 2H? How about punting the ball more than 10 yards?
Detroit had the ball with just under 2:00 left, with a chance to win the game. How about somebody make a play? If you take care of business, nobody gives a crap about this call. Get over yourselves Lion fan.
Detroit had the ball with just under 2:00 left, with a chance to win the game. How about somebody make a play? If you take care of business, nobody gives a crap about this call. Get over yourselves Lion fan.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
As I pointed out earlier in the thread, this is a nonsense argument because you can say this about every ref screw job in sports history. 1972 Olympic basketball team? They should've scored more points before the final play so they weren't in that position. Don Denkinger blown call in the 1985 World Series? Cards should've stopped the rally after that, or won Game 7.
Every team makes multiple mistakes in every game that's ever been played. It's silly to use those mistakes to negate a legitimate gripe about officiating.
Treynwreck3
Footballguy
It was a bad call. However, most of what I keep hearing ad nauseam, is that the call cost the Lions the game. That is nonsense. Get over it.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Treynwreck3
Footballguy
Stinkin Ref
IBL Representative
not sure in the history of sports a player has ever played a perfect game, a coach coached a perfect game, or officials have officiated a perfect game.....even a pitcher who throws a "perfect game" probably made some bad pitches, etc.....
so yeah....the arguement on one side can always be....."it's not what cost them the game".....
only in rare situations like Jim Joyce blowing the call at first on the last out of the game costing Armando Galarraga a perfect game....can you say that an officials call determined the outcome......
in most other situations there will always be people that say "they could have done something different earlier" or "they had other chances to win after that"....etc
but I will stick to my position that most NFL players and coaches will tell you that there are usually 2-3 crucial plays in every closely contested contest.....that usually decide the outcome......there is no way to deny here that that flag being picked up was a crucial play at a crucial time....
in sports like basketball with shot clocks, etc.....you are going to get the ball back quickly....it's back and forth/change of possession.....in football, however, things are magnified because of what converting for a first down means to the game and the clock and field position, etc....
if you are a true football fan and have a team you are a die hard fan for.....you know exactly what the NFL coaches/players mean when you are watching a game.....there are certain plays (only a few, but there are certain ones) where you find yourself actually saying out loud "this is a huge play in this game".....it may be early (a team just really needs to not go 3 and out again), it may be late, but there are those plays.....
this was one of them......and the way it was handled (and Dez coming on the field to argue) made it even worse.....personally I think DET wins if the call stands, but thats just from the gut and watching a ton of football......but nobody will ever really know and thats why the one side of the arguement will always have the upper hand in these discussions.....
so yeah....the arguement on one side can always be....."it's not what cost them the game".....
only in rare situations like Jim Joyce blowing the call at first on the last out of the game costing Armando Galarraga a perfect game....can you say that an officials call determined the outcome......
in most other situations there will always be people that say "they could have done something different earlier" or "they had other chances to win after that"....etc
but I will stick to my position that most NFL players and coaches will tell you that there are usually 2-3 crucial plays in every closely contested contest.....that usually decide the outcome......there is no way to deny here that that flag being picked up was a crucial play at a crucial time....
in sports like basketball with shot clocks, etc.....you are going to get the ball back quickly....it's back and forth/change of possession.....in football, however, things are magnified because of what converting for a first down means to the game and the clock and field position, etc....
if you are a true football fan and have a team you are a die hard fan for.....you know exactly what the NFL coaches/players mean when you are watching a game.....there are certain plays (only a few, but there are certain ones) where you find yourself actually saying out loud "this is a huge play in this game".....it may be early (a team just really needs to not go 3 and out again), it may be late, but there are those plays.....
this was one of them......and the way it was handled (and Dez coming on the field to argue) made it even worse.....personally I think DET wins if the call stands, but thats just from the gut and watching a ton of football......but nobody will ever really know and thats why the one side of the arguement will always have the upper hand in these discussions.....
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Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
I'm pretty sure TF is a Redskins fan; at least he lives in that area.Exactly, Lion fan.
Treynwreck3
Footballguy
Oof. Even worse. That would explain the Cowboy hate.I'm pretty sure TF is a Redskins fan; at least he lives in that area.
jomar
Footballguy
http://coed.com/2015/01/07/matthew-stafford-penalty-dallas-cowboys-reaction-micd-up-showtime-inside-the-nfl/
interestingly enough, Stafford was told by 2 different officials that the reason the call was overturned was because there was no contact before ball arrived.....except there was, and an official saw it and threw a flag. so how does he get overruled by an official who clearly didn't see what happened?
interestingly enough, Stafford was told by 2 different officials that the reason the call was overturned was because there was no contact before ball arrived.....except there was, and an official saw it and threw a flag. so how does he get overruled by an official who clearly didn't see what happened?
Stinkin Ref
IBL Representative
this is the million dollar ?....and the key may be in the wording.....was it "no contact" or "not enough"....?....I have heard both now.....the fact that this was a "super crew" comes into play here as the official who actaully saw the play, may have been trumped by an official with more "pull" in the association....not sure this shakes out this way on a crew that works together all year...jomar said:
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McGarnicle
Footballguy
Aaaaand the complete bs calls in Dallas' favor continue.
McGarnicle
Footballguy
Never forget
Poetic justice. Anyone familiar with the Calvin Johnson play should have immediately known it would be overturned. Right call, lousy rule. It is funny the Boys think they were robbed. It was also funny how bad the pendants got it.
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