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Plainfield John
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I just got Lewis for Jay Cutler in a 12-team PPR dynasty league with a QB flex spot (essentially a 2 QB league). For context, the other guy's QBs are Eli, Hoyer, and McCown so he likely would not have had a QB to start this week without making the deal. Still, I'm pretty happy with picking up Lewis in exchange for a QB I wasn't planning on keeping next year anyway.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Wow I did not see that coming! Crazy. Makes complete sense now. I knew something was off about this scenario.
He should be fine long term. The only issue is short term, you need that healing to occur. I defer to my Dez Bryant posting:
In regard to the immediate future, they have to move him slower because he is likely much weaker. 1 surgery is enough to work back from but 2 within 1 year is very tough; you get very weak. Having screws put in just means he will eventually, probably, have some discomfort. Not a big deal as long as he can play through it.
I think this sets him back from coming back a few weeks because they have to ease him back in more due to his inactivity and recovering from 2 surgeries with pretty major recoveries. I mean, you put some screws into the bone and there is potentially a significant period of non to partial weight bearing. Every day he was getting significantly weaker than the previous. That is what will hold him back now, probably not the original or even secondary injury. Honestly, that could take him a long time to come back. When we do see Lewis it may be a very long easing back into the rotation.
TheBottomLine
Footballguy
I put Lewis on the block about a week ago - received no offers. I'll wait and hope he has a big game and then put him on block again. League is PPR dynasty.
CaptainJT
Footballguy
stbugs and Boston, I must admit that I have come around to your view on White and I am big enough to admit when I am wrong.
After watching him closely I agree that he is "just a guy" when it comes to receiving RB's. White is adequate and can make plays, but Lewis had a level that White does not. White rarely carries through the tackles and while he appears to be good in space, I havent seen him make something out of nothing. Now we just have to wait and see if Lewis ever gets healthy this year.
Boston
Footballguy
The game where it was really apparent was last year in the playoffs against Denver...they were feeding him the ball but he just wasn't able to make the big play they so sorely needed...he's not a bad player but come playoff time or the regular season game against Denver which may decide home field having a healthy Lewis could provide that play or two that could make the difference...this offseason I would really like to see them add another RB that can both run and catch and is not one-dimensional...Bilal Powell would have been a nice fit but he's not worth what the Jets gave him...CaptainJT said:
Skoo
Footballguy
Dion Lewis (knee, PUP) returned to practice Thursday.
The practice starts the 21-day clock for the Patriots to activate Lewis off the PUP list. Lewis is not going to play this week, but it is possible he is ready to go following the Week 9 bye. Lewis' return will render James White valueless in fantasy leagues.
Source: Jeff Howe on Twitter
Oct 27 - 1:02 PM
The practice starts the 21-day clock for the Patriots to activate Lewis off the PUP list. Lewis is not going to play this week, but it is possible he is ready to go following the Week 9 bye. Lewis' return will render James White valueless in fantasy leagues.
Source: Jeff Howe on Twitter
Oct 27 - 1:02 PM
massraider
Footballguy
Was wondering why I was getting trade offers.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I somewhat disagree that White will be valueless. Lewis at 100% getting his regular snap count and workload would make White valueless. But who knows when that will be.
shadyridr
Footballguy
Keep in mind, in 3 weeks they have to Activate him from PUP or IR him. Also, they can activate him from PUP and still not make him a gameday active. That 2nd surgery sounds like a big deal to me. I wouldnt hold my breath. He still seems like a guy they will wait to unleash in the NFL playoffs.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
CowboyFan
Footballguy
White has averaged 8.5 touches/game. Even if Dion is 'eased' back and get half, 4 touches/game is the same as worthless in fantasy.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
For starters, at this point we know nothing about Lewis and when he will play and how much. Maybe Lewis will start with only 10-15 snaps a game and NE sees how things go.
Since Lewis got hurt last year, White has played in 10 games with Brady but not Lewis. Yes, he's average 8.2 touches a game in those games, but he's averaged 16.85 ppg in 1 ppr leagues. That ranks in the Top 10 for RB scoring. White has 57 receptions and 9 TD in those 10 games.
White will probably have 2-3 games before we have to start worrying about Lewis.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
This isn't a normal situation when healthy IIRC Lewis could take the lead role in the backfield and would take touches from Blount. Also as someone else pointed out typically Bolden has been the nominal no. 3 RB on game day.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
I too am worried about the Rotoblurb declaring White's immanent worthlessness. With short benches when Dion comes back, I'm about forced to drop White. Wish I had the luxury to see how this all plays out.
Skoo
Footballguy
They signed Lewis to an extension in-season last year if I remember correctly when he was killing it, so I would guess that once he's back to full health he gets the same workload again. Obviously that's the X-factor, no one knows how long it will be until he's at 100%. I didn't expect him to practice this week though, so I think a return week 10 after the bye is a definite possibility.
gethugefast1
Footballguy
McGarnicle
Footballguy
Wow, grabbed him for $1 and stashed him on IR two weeks ago. Didn't expect him back this fast.
Boston
Footballguy
When it comes to the Pats and injuries you never think too deep because you never know...he could have 20 touches in week 10 or be put on the IR the day before the game...
wilked
Footballguy
Moonshine
Footballguy
Mike Reiss has video of him working a blocking dummy's today:
https://mobile.twitter.com/MikeReiss/status/796054816481013760/video/1
Seems like he's taking part at least in positional drills. Wouldn't be surprised to see him active this weekend, but with it being the Pats I wouldn't be surprised the other way either.
https://mobile.twitter.com/MikeReiss/status/796054816481013760/video/1
Seems like he's taking part at least in positional drills. Wouldn't be surprised to see him active this weekend, but with it being the Pats I wouldn't be surprised the other way either.
gethugefast1
Footballguy
mnmplayer
Footballguy
Wow, even a layman like my wife can obviously see Dion Lewis is special. She came in my office as I ran this clip and said why is the guy #28 doing it in slow motion? Is he just learning?This was her response after seeing Dion follow James White doing the same drill. I explained they both did the drill at full speed. LMAO.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I certainly wouldn't read anything into that. The other guys look like they are going through the motions. Lewis looks like he is actually trying. I wouldn't look at that clip and conclude anything about any of them. Good to see Lewis out there and not looking like Quasimodo, but I would not categorize that as evidence that he is "back and better than ever."
mnmplayer
Footballguy
Agreed, just thought it was funny and others might appreciate it. I know you follow the team closely, and will defer to your judgement, but I have been a stalwart supporter of Lewis before he broke out last year and if Lewis comes back anywhere near 100% White will rarely see the field.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
If the Pats ever get everyone at 100% (which seemingly has been extremely difficult), they should be extremely hard to stop. In OTAs they were said to be planning to use Lewis out of the backfield and White as a WR. I have seen and heard that NE has tons of plays and formations they haven't unveiled yet. Apparently they added a ton of more plays to the playbook based on the personnel moves this past off season. Should be interesting.
mnmplayer
Footballguy
gethugefast1
Footballguy
Patriots Practice Report: Dion Lewis Practicing For Third Straight Weekhttp://nesn.com/2016/11/patriots-practice-report-dion-lewis-practicing-for-third-straight-week/
by Doug Kyed on Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 1:10PM
by Doug Kyed on Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 1:10PM
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I want no part of this cluster. Pats backfield is so clogged with talent and role players - are there really enough touches to spread around a healthy trio of White, Blount & Lewis?
I'm skeptical. I think each of these players will have huge weeks. Just not at the same time. And predicting which one week to week is gonna be very tough.
good for the pats, bad for FFB managers.
I'm skeptical. I think each of these players will have huge weeks. Just not at the same time. And predicting which one week to week is gonna be very tough.
good for the pats, bad for FFB managers.
Skoo
Footballguy
Not saying I know this will how turn out, but this is the thinking that allowed me to draft Blount in like the 9th round, and he's been an RB1 thus far.
While I do think Lewis could eat into his workload a bit, the amount of short TD chances Blount has every game on that ridiculously good offense makes him a weekly must-start IMO.
gethugefast1
Footballguy
didn't they co-exist last year as relevant FF RBs? (Lewis averaged the fifth-most fantasy points per game among backs in PPR formats and the 12th-most in standard leagues among backs last season.)
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Of all the RBs on the Pats,I trust Blount the most due to his short yardage role being pretty well defined. Cheap TDs are his bread and butter, with the occasional big rushing game sprinkled in if the game flow dictates it.
I think Lews and White compete for touches and it limits them both.
The only thing Lewis does to Blount is that the Pats like the throw to Lewis in short yardage; so a couple of those cheap TDs might get vultured.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I don't believe they had all 3 at the same time? If so, White's role was nowhere near as large IIRC.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Ps - this is a bit of a misstatement since Lewis has been out all season, which you presumably didn't know was going to happen on draft day.
So more realistically it was the presence of a healthy and highly productive Lewis who's ADP was 5th-6th that allowed you to draft Blount in the 9th.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Won't disagree they have a lot of guys to potentially feed, but if there is one thing I've learned playing in PPR over the last decade or so, it's that the pass catching back on NE will always have value.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Except for those games that Blount goes 100+ on the ground after a quick few passing TDs against a cupcake like the Browns.
on those occasions you'll just have to pray one of those PaTD went to Lewis.
im just saying it's gonna. E hard to predict week to week. From a FFB perspective, the fewer mouths to feed the better.
Theyre about to have 1 bruiser, one receiving back and one 'tweener in awhile who should do just enough to be a thorn in the aw of Lewis & Blount owners.
just a guess of course, but that's likely how it shakes out IMO.
mnmplayer
Footballguy
I want every part of this offense as long as the part is Dion Lewis. He was a straight rock star producer last year with only 49 carries and 36 receptions and 4 TDs over 7 games and is the final piece to make this offense unstoppable. That is only 7 rushes per game and 5 recs, so 12 touches; so about 89 yards 5 recs and a greater than 50% chance for a TD each game. Those are RB1 numbers. It's not hard to envision him getting 12 touches per game no matter who else is out there and if his role expands then lookout.
gethugefast1
Footballguy
Video: RB Dion Lewis (33) works on running with good pad level. https://twitter.com/MikeReiss/status/796053945089224704at those videos suggesting anything about how good or bad Lewis looks.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
He's gonna be BB's January Surprise. He'll 'come back' a week from Sunday to beat the PUP, quickly sprain an eyelash and go actually get f'real healthy, take a coupla snaps 16/17 so everyone continues forgetting how frikkin unreal this kid is, then fingerblast the playoff field with him.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
If Lewis is truly back, then White becomes an aferthought making this the same backfield as last year and Lewis had plenty of value in that scenario.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
White was there, but he was just relegated to the bench until Lewis went down. White is very productive but isnt all that good. Lewis can do everything he does plus actually run the ball inside and outside.
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SameSongNDance
Footballguy
White is literally a poor man's Lewis. Maybe not as much in fantasy but definitely in real life. BB loves Lewis and knows just how much more dangerous he makes that offense.
Edit: The reason I believe BB loves Lewis is because he kept him in after fumbling in both weeks 1 and 2 last year. His leash was seemingly infinintely longer than Ridley's had ever been.
Edit: The reason I believe BB loves Lewis is because he kept him in after fumbling in both weeks 1 and 2 last year. His leash was seemingly infinintely longer than Ridley's had ever been.
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Yep. Anyone worries about White isn't paying attention. If Lewis is truly healthy, White is on the bench.
lewis pretty much earned at least 50% snap count in every game last year he played... some of the earlier games he was at 75% or higher.. i don't think white gets totally relegated to the bench and i dont think blount sees his snap % decline below 40% so at least early on i could see bloutn getting 50% of the work with white/lewis splitting the remaining 50%
