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I agree but I will also say some guys play at very different speeds in the game than that timed 40. Emmitt Smith was said to be slow. But he was effective. David Johnson this year was supposed to be slow but he looks like a young Michael Turned streaking down the sidelines. Call it what you will. Maybe they get scared. I don't know. But they play differently than the stopwatch indicates.
What a steal. The Pats are such a smart organization that the Colts could learn a thing or two about.
I was offered Karlos Williams for him the other day.
It looks like everyone in here is pro Lewis.
Is it "this guy is going to be an RB1 for the current season" money? 'Cause that's all I care about...I'm desperate at RB so I'll hold on to any hope, slim as it may be
I did before last week - traded Crowell and Landry (non-ppr league) for him straight up. I think I was stealing, but that guy needed a lot of pieces.
Wouldn't that be he and his agent's doing though? Maybe he wants to stay in the Patriots' organization and is willing to take that deal now instead of negotiating and thinking someone else will give him more?
It's possible his agent was taken to the cleaners. If nothing else, it's an indicator of what him, his agent, and the Pats think of him.
I'm trying to get him. Dude that owns him in my work PPR league also has Arian Foster, Forte, and Gurley so he's not even starting Lewis at the moment. He has a good team but is 2-2 at the moment. Has absolutely nada at TE and I have Gronk and Eifert, so I'm trying to trade him Eifert and Lamar Miller for Lewis. Trade's been out there for a day now, he told me he's still considering it but that he put out a couple of offers involving Lewis of his own that he's waiting for answers on before he decides on my offer. I'll let you know if he ultimately accepts (or what deal goes through if not mine), but hopefully this gives you SOME idea of what he might be worth on the open market.
As a Lewis owner I'd shoot that down immediately although I am very high on Lewis and don't care for Miller much at all.
That's funny. Was just talking to a guy in a league (dynasty) and he has Lewis and NEEDS a TE and said he offered Lewis for Eifert and got shot down. Lots of different opinions out there, apparently.
That doesn't really surprise me. I said earlier I don't have a good feel for Lewis' Dynasty value yet. I could see someone valuing Eifert more since his role seems to be far more secure long-term barring injury.
I agree that might be the thought. I get it to.
I'm pretty sure I'm still the top ranker on Dion Lewis by a very substantial margin. I know Tefertiller and Hammond, (aka Couch Potato), put Lewis at RB19 and RB17 in their last rankings update. I don't see anyone at DLF that has him higher than RB20. Matt Williamson just updated at ESPN, and he had Lewis at RB17. For comparison, I've got Lewis somewhere in the 7th-10th range depending on window and scoring system. But I'd still take Eifert over him in dynasty. (He ranks that high for me partly because I'm high on Lewis, but mostly because I'm just low on every other RB; he may be my 7th-ranked RB, but he's behind a couple dozen WRs and a fistful of TEs, sitting more in the high-4th-round range in terms of startup picks.)
Also for what it's worth, I've got Eifert above Graham and on par with Kelce in dynasty.
I get the reasoning. It's preference and I won't say there is a right or wrong but for me I think unless his name is Gronk, I can find another "pretty good but not named Gronk" TE. Young, top 10 RBs don't come along often. There is risk. There sure is. But at the end of the day, he's young, he's top 10, he plays on a top NFL offense that is known for not taking their foot off the gas. I take the chance and I might just have the next Foster.
Woo for years to come is bold. Im very high on him THIS YEAR ONLY. I can easily see brady winning another super bowl and him and belichick retiring together as it would be there 5th ring. Long term i wouldn't know where to put Lewis but for this year barring injury he should be a top 15 back for the year.
a dynasty league I'm in just had a trade with him involved
I watch all the condensed games each week when I work out. This guy was sticking out like a sore thumb. Wont profess to be an expert but I did profess his potential before the season started.How many were yelling at the top of their lungs before the preseason? Not many. Just be glad you got him.Hoss Style said:I don't know what boston guy is talking about. i knew about him in preseason even though he didn't play a lot and even drafted him in every league
I agree, but those that listened got a freebie RB1 in PPR, at least a RB2 in non. Its not like the last pick of any redraft round was a huge investment (where you could grab him) as he wasn't on anyone's radar of any site that would bump his ADP even past 25th round, heck even after the 1st week of waivers he could have been had for cheap and I think anyone that looked at the film on his pre-season that I posted would have seen the same thing, ankle breaking skills and good catching ability ... so drafting him with their last pick no matter how it turns out now is way ahead of the game.
Was it his own 2nd? Because if so, he better hope that 1st winds up high, or he just gave up Lewis for a small draft upgrade.
I disagree that RBs are more difficult to find. Every year a half-dozen or so come out of the woodwork, even in dynasty. They may not be multi-year (or even multi-game) studs, but they can definitely fill in bye weeks and come out with a blow up performance here and there. The two most recent examples I can think of are Lewis and Latavius Murray as legit every-week guys.
We see it exactly the opposite and that's okay. We all know multiple viewpoints work.
Agree. Still can be had for a RB2 or WR2 in my experience.
Lewis side for me.
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Love pats' favor of incentive laden contracts... great way to keep guys motivated and reward them nicely for performance. Win Win really.
I do think that the market tends to undervalue TEs, which means they can often be acquired more cheaply than RBs. But it also means that people underrated just how much of an advantage a good TE really provides. This offseason, I did a big project calculating actual career fantasy value from 1985-2014, and one of the things that I found was, in PPR, a consistently-good TE like Greg Olsen or Alge Crumpler actually provides as much of a career advantage on the scoreboard as an RB the caliber of Rudi Johnson, Willis McGahee, Domanick Williams, or DeMarco Murray. (Obviously with 2015+ still pending for Olsen and Murray.)
Then trade him to the Colts after one year where the Colts will continue to not have a run game.
I wrote a couple of articles about it this offseason. The two big ones are here and here.Anarchy99 said:
And he is faced with the possibility of being labled a systems back or the Patriots not playing him. Those are two very real scenarios that could have tanked him going into FA in the off season.
He deserved more? After producing in three games following a journeymans path his first few years? If he deserved more, he wouldn't have put pen to paper.
He isn't a top 25 RB. That's why he didn't get "top-25" money from NE, & that's why he took a deal that didn't get him "top-25" money. We, as FF'ers see a couple good FF weeks, in a system that seems perfect for his skill set, and we start saying he's Barry Sanders, better than Marshawn Lynch, etc. The fact is he's had a few good weeks; that doesn't make him a top 25 RB. That being said, the Pats extending him suggests that he could be, and they want to have him locked up in case that happens.
It cost the Patriots $600k to get to decide if he's worth keeping for $800k next season.
