The Ref
Footballguy
Leave me out of this... I didn't blow coverage for a 50 yard pass at the end of the game now did I?No it's NOT!The refs! I mean the REF!!!They missed this and that...THE REFS!!!
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***Divisional Round Game Thread*** Baltimore at Pittsburgh (1 Viewer)
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Stillers Jr.
Footballguy
There he IS! GET HIM!!!Leave me out of this... I didn't blow coverage for a 50 yard pass at the end of the game now did I?No it's NOT!The refs! I mean the REF!!!They missed this and that...THE REFS!!!
Fensalk
Footballguy
True, but an objective opinion of the refs work in that game would ideally come from someone who neither A. is a Steeler fanB. is employed by the NFL directly or indirectlyC. has a history of being politically correct in any way. You fail part A, so its going to be counterproductive for you to try to convince people.
Choke
Footballguy
Here we go.... Penalty> Blatant >>>>>>> http://img837.imageshack.us/i/hold.jpg/
9-93 against Pitt
6-74 against Balt
H8ers>
'Pyramid Scheme' What a surprise. Flag calls back the most exciting play of the game.
'ffldrew' If they are calling holding there - that was a flop
'ArcticEdge' Bull####!!!!
'whoknew' That didn't look like a very good call.
'Pope Benedict XVI Fan' Didn't look like much of a hold to me.
'jonessed' That was a chicken #### call by the refs to save the Steelers.
'PizzaDeliveryGuy' Great flop.
'Jayrok' bs call. Dude fell down, hands were inside, good block.
'Dexter Manley' Vlade Divac would be proud!
'moderated' Horrible call. The guy had a great block. (<===
)
'PizzaDeliveryGuy' I am shocked that the Steelers would get a game changing flag in their favor. Shocked, I say.
)'Go deep' Refs doing their best to make sure the Steelers win his game.
'Hov34' The NFL is a joke.
'sjacksonfan' goodposting What a joke. Never seen a team get so many calls.
'BobbyLayne' that was THE WORST lopsided officiating I have seen in a long, long time. Baltimore had no chance at winning today.
'RudeDog' In watching this game all I can think of or say is the NFL has turned into professional wrestling. I can no longer trust this league, and I'm convinced now the media controls the league.
'knowledge dropper' Refs stunk, but you have to expect that when the Steelers are involved.
'Chaz McNulty' Do you think that was a holding penalty on the TD return?
'Chaz McNulty' Someone needs to post that, because if that's a hold then just about every play is a hold.
Chaz McNulty' I believe that both of them were completely blown calls. On the punt return the blocker had his hands inside the opponents arms and was driving him back. I really don't know what the ref was thinking.
'jojoh07' IT seems NFL fand and steelers fans were watching a different game . not surprising .
This thread is/was AWESOME! I would like to thank you all for making that much more enjoyable.
9-93 against Pitt
6-74 against Balt
H8ers>
'Pyramid Scheme' What a surprise. Flag calls back the most exciting play of the game.
'ffldrew' If they are calling holding there - that was a flop
'ArcticEdge' Bull####!!!!
'whoknew' That didn't look like a very good call.
'Pope Benedict XVI Fan' Didn't look like much of a hold to me.
'jonessed' That was a chicken #### call by the refs to save the Steelers.
'PizzaDeliveryGuy' Great flop.
'Jayrok' bs call. Dude fell down, hands were inside, good block.
'Crazy8s' Flop saves the game so far'Buffaloes' Sweet phantom holding call
'Dexter Manley' Vlade Divac would be proud!
'moderated' Horrible call. The guy had a great block. (<===
)'PizzaDeliveryGuy' I am shocked that the Steelers would get a game changing flag in their favor. Shocked, I say.
'Short Corner' Hands are inside. Grabbing cloth is ok. Holding 'was invented' to keep guys from getting their arms outside of the defenders frame. (<===
)'Go deep' Refs doing their best to make sure the Steelers win his game.'Hov34' The NFL is a joke.
'sjacksonfan' goodposting What a joke. Never seen a team get so many calls.
'BobbyLayne' that was THE WORST lopsided officiating I have seen in a long, long time. Baltimore had no chance at winning today.
'RudeDog' In watching this game all I can think of or say is the NFL has turned into professional wrestling. I can no longer trust this league, and I'm convinced now the media controls the league.
'knowledge dropper' Refs stunk, but you have to expect that when the Steelers are involved.
'Chaz McNulty' Do you think that was a holding penalty on the TD return?
'Chaz McNulty' Someone needs to post that, because if that's a hold then just about every play is a hold.
Chaz McNulty' I believe that both of them were completely blown calls. On the punt return the blocker had his hands inside the opponents arms and was driving him back. I really don't know what the ref was thinking.
'jojoh07' IT seems NFL fand and steelers fans were watching a different game . not surprising .
This thread is/was AWESOME! I would like to thank you all for making that much more enjoyable.
CrossEyed
Footballguy
Wasting your time. Never gonna convince the haters.Here we go.... Penalty> Blatant >>>>>>> http://img837.imageshack.us/i/hold.jpg/
9-93 against Pitt
6-74 against Balt
H8ers>
'Pyramid Scheme' What a surprise. Flag calls back the most exciting play of the game.
'ffldrew' If they are calling holding there - that was a flop
'ArcticEdge' Bull####!!!!
'whoknew' That didn't look like a very good call.
'Pope Benedict XVI Fan' Didn't look like much of a hold to me.
'jonessed' That was a chicken #### call by the refs to save the Steelers.
'PizzaDeliveryGuy' Great flop.
'Jayrok' bs call. Dude fell down, hands were inside, good block.
'Crazy8s' Flop saves the game so far'Buffaloes' Sweet phantom holding call
'Dexter Manley' Vlade Divac would be proud!
'moderated' Horrible call. The guy had a great block. (<===
'PizzaDeliveryGuy' I am shocked that the Steelers would get a game changing flag in their favor. Shocked, I say.
'Short Corner' Hands are inside. Grabbing cloth is ok. Holding 'was invented' to keep guys from getting their arms outside of the defenders frame. (<===
'Hov34' The NFL is a joke.
'sjacksonfan' goodposting What a joke. Never seen a team get so many calls.
'BobbyLayne' that was THE WORST lopsided officiating I have seen in a long, long time. Baltimore had no chance at winning today.
'RudeDog' In watching this game all I can think of or say is the NFL has turned into professional wrestling. I can no longer trust this league, and I'm convinced now the media controls the league.
'knowledge dropper' Refs stunk, but you have to expect that when the Steelers are involved.
'Chaz McNulty' Do you think that was a holding penalty on the TD return?
'Chaz McNulty' Someone needs to post that, because if that's a hold then just about every play is a hold.
Chaz McNulty' I believe that both of them were completely blown calls. On the punt return the blocker had his hands inside the opponents arms and was driving him back. I really don't know what the ref was thinking.
'jojoh07' IT seems NFL fand and steelers fans were watching a different game . not surprising .
This thread is/was AWESOME! I would like to thank you all for making that much more enjoyable.
Choke
Footballguy
I dont want to convince them, I want to enjoy their pain.Wasting your time. Never gonna convince the haters.
CrossEyed
Footballguy
Oh, in that case...I dont want to convince them, I want to enjoy their pain.Wasting your time. Never gonna convince the haters.
Stillers Jr.
Footballguy
Nice work guys...I wager, of the folks hilighted in your post, 95% will scurry back under their rock.I dont want to convince them, I want to enjoy their pain.Wasting your time. Never gonna convince the haters.
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
to The_Man, Uruk Hai and other honorable Ravens fans.I know I was ready to tuck tail and admit defeat to the Ravens after the first half. A combination of inspired play by the Steelers and some mistakes by the Ravens put the game back in play...
I know if roles were reversed, I'd be a mess, angry and disappointed. But I hope I wouldn't be here blaming refs. Never can say for sure.
Franknbeans
Footballguy
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
true but anyone who has been on this site more than a week knows the hate towards the steelers. It's impossible for the steelers to actually earn a meaningful win. Steelers fans are obviously not objective in a steelers thread but there are a lot of non-steeler fans who also lack the ability to be objective. I personally thought the game was officiated poorly. It's a shame because this was about as even a matchup as it gets
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
What a choke job by the Ravens.
Regardless of whether or not you think that hold should have been called on the punt return, Boldin should have caught that ball for a TD, and if he does that, they still get the TD there.
Then the blown coverage on the late bomb.
Housh dropping that last ball.
Pathetic.
Regardless of whether or not you think that hold should have been called on the punt return, Boldin should have caught that ball for a TD, and if he does that, they still get the TD there.
Then the blown coverage on the late bomb.
Housh dropping that last ball.
Pathetic.
What was the score in Seattle vs NO first meeting and what was the outcome in their 2nd meeting?
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
You can't be this obtuse. Since Belichick came to town, the Patriots have owned the Steelers in head-to-head matchups. And more often than not, Brady and the Patriots offense rips that Steelers defense to shreds. Some teams simply do not match up well with others, and the Patriots/Steelers one is not a good one for Pittsburgh. I am sure most Steelers fans will be huge Jets fans tomorrow.
Steelers4Life
Footballguy
Very, very true.Sure, the Steelers can beat the Pats. But any Steelers fan would be nuts to express any confidence that it'll happen. It puzzles me why HOFer LeBeau just can't seem to add any wrinkles to the Steelers' defense that slows down Tom Brady, but part of it has to be the limitations of the cornerbacks. Either way, for the Steelers to have a chance, they have to make some sort of defensive adjustments that we haven't seen before or else it's going to be another typical 42 - 27 type of Pats win....... unless the Jets pull off a big win tomorrow.
Choke
Footballguy
All true. Though I have no issue with playing the Pats, beyond it being nice to host the game at Heinz, bring on anyone who is worthy of playing opposite in the AFCCG.
Belicheat is not undefeated vs the Steelers last time I checked. Anything can happen in the playoffs like a Jets win tomorrow as well. Steelers are playing in their 4th AFC championship in last 7 yrs so I don't care who they play. I'm not one of those fans who worries about who they play. Bring on who is next and see how it shakes out.
I believe Ben's record against NE is 2-4.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Good thing I never said he was.
treat88
Footballguy
No one is so obtuse as to not understand the Pats will be heavily favored.Optimism remains, but it is definitely tempered by reality.
Billy Bats
Footballguy
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
Congrats, IB & the rest of the Steelers' fans.to The_Man, Uruk Hai and other honorable Ravens fans. I know I was ready to tuck tail and admit defeat to the Ravens after the first half. A combination of inspired play by the Steelers and some mistakes by the Ravens put the game back in play...I know if roles were reversed, I'd be a mess, angry and disappointed. But I hope I wouldn't be here blaming refs. Never can say for sure.
Tough, tough loss to take. I haven't read the thread but it appears that some are blaming the refs. Not me. The Ravens made too many mistakes to beat a good team like Pittsburgh - simple as that.Mustang Man
Footballguy
Agreed but Pitt makes plays at the end and the Ravens don't that is the difference with these teams. Championships and not. The Ravens are every bit as good as the Steelers but the Steelers do it when it maters.
crowe1130
Footballguy
Can't argue with this at all. I'm sure the Pats will try to spread the defense out and pick it apart, as they always do. It has worked brilliantly in the past, so hopefully the Steelers can finally make an adjustment that works. I think most Steeler fans would love to see the Jets at Heinz instead of the Pats at Gillette, but maybe not as many would say so out loud. Still, I do think they CAN beat New England. Just a much tougher road. There was some talk after XLIII about throwing the Steelers in the "team of the decade" conversation with New England. Well here is their chance. IMHO, what keeps them out of that conversation is the way the Pats have dominated them. Win a third title, beating Brady in Foxboro along the way, and you can start to make an argument that Pittsburgh at least belongs in the discussion.Congrats on a good season to the Ravens and the mostly cool Baltimore backers on these boards. To me, this rivalry is the best in sports.Thanks for the drop to Housh. One of my least-liked players in the league. Couldn't have happened to a better guy.
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fred_1_15301
Footballguy
the kick return was a clear hold but certain posters have an agenda on this board when it comes to the steelers. With that said I'll admit that the holding call against the ravens at the end of the game was a joke. Other than that there were some horrible calls and missed calls both ways. Just a poorly officiated game overall. For posters saying that the league wants the steelers to win every week, I'm not sure why they would get 100 yds of penalties or even have 4 losses on the season for that matter.
beerbarron
Footballguy
I wonder if Housh is gonna complain about his madden catch rating.. seems like whatever they have him rated at... its to high...
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
We talked about it in the pregame thread - Ben has a good-sized lists of Moments (most against the Ravens ); Flacco's resume is lacking them, though he made some strides in the regular season. But until he gets it done in a big spot, Joe's a level below.He got happy feet something terrible in the 2nd half and sometimes looked like he was on drugs. The drops didn't help - and I don't ever want to hear TJ b*tch about not getting the ball again - but he did not play well. His pocket presence is lacking sorely and I don't know if that's something Flacco can develop. I suspect not.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Ben had an ugly first qtr but played well after that. I thought flacco looked shaky the entire game but was bailed out by his defense and special teams. Not a snowball chance in hell that either of these teams would beat the patriots if they play this type of game. The pats just don't make these kinds of mistakes.
roadkill1292
Footballguy
These two teams have now played eight times in the last three years and the Stillers have won six of them. Somebody ought to remind T Sizzle about that before next year's games. Not much of a rivalry when one team wins all the time.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
Glad you survived the game, GB. I fear for The_Man's mental stability, thoughThese two teams have now played eight times in the last three years and the Stillers have won six of them. Somebody ought to remind T Sizzle about that before next year's games. Not much of a rivalry when one team wins all the time.); Flacco's resume is lacking them, though he made some strides in the regular season. But until he gets it done in a big spot, Joe's a level below.He got happy feet something terrible in the 2nd half and sometimes looked like he was on drugs. The drops didn't help - and I don't ever want to hear TJ b*tch about not getting the ball again - but he did not play well. His pocket presence is lacking sorely and I don't know if that's something Flacco can develop. I suspect not.
beerbarron
Footballguy
To all the ref haters... flags on all sides of that game... bottom line.. balt has the ball at midfield in the 4th quarter with time on the clock.. flacco needed a TD and they couldnt get it done..
Stillers are 7/7 in afc championship games... probably heading to NE for another brady beat down...
Stillers are 7/7 in afc championship games... probably heading to NE for another brady beat down...
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
"The refs made some really bad calls that favored the Steelers.""The Ravens had some chances to win the game, but failed to take full advantage of them."You do realize that those two statements aren't mutually exclusive, right? When somebody points out the first, responding with the second is a non sequitur.
Clorox
Footballguy
Good reading on this fine Sunday morning: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/sto...mp;sportCat=nfl
Tomlin spied Mendenhall trudging up the ramp to the locker room.
"C'mon, Rashard, I forgave you already," said Tomlin. "When you took that slash in and put us up by seven, that's when I forgave you.''
And then he saw Ward.
"C'mon, old man!" he yelled.
The old man was smiling. That's what happens when you knock out the bully.
I love Mike Tomlin.
Tomlin spied Mendenhall trudging up the ramp to the locker room.
"C'mon, Rashard, I forgave you already," said Tomlin. "When you took that slash in and put us up by seven, that's when I forgave you.''
And then he saw Ward.
"C'mon, old man!" he yelled.
The old man was smiling. That's what happens when you knock out the bully.
I love Mike Tomlin.
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
You also realize that "The refs mad some really bad calls that favored the Ravens" is also not mutually exclusive. The refs were poor, but not lopsidedly so.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
My general thought on officiating is this:
Fans of a team will always think they're getting screwed, especially against a team that's better. Do good teams get favorable calls? Sure - because they're good and force the other teams into uncomfortable situations, which often cause them to try & do things they shouldn't.
I am a rabid Maryland hoops fan. Guess which team most Terps fans think get an inordinate amount of calls? And I do think they get an advantage, just like Pete Rose rarely took a called third strike or Larry Bird didn't have travelling called against him. When you have a history of excellence, it's human nature for officials to expect that excellence too. And, as I said above, Duke makes plays that allow an official to call things against their opponent.
My opinion is that that's the way it is. Be good enough to overcome it.
The officials didn't decide that game yesterday - they didn't fumble the Birk/Flacco exchange, nor did they overthrow a receiver by a mile for an INT, nor did they let a WR get behind the secondary, nor did they drop passes right in their hands.
The Ravens are a good football team. But not good enough to make those mistakes and beat another good team.
Fans of a team will always think they're getting screwed, especially against a team that's better. Do good teams get favorable calls? Sure - because they're good and force the other teams into uncomfortable situations, which often cause them to try & do things they shouldn't.
I am a rabid Maryland hoops fan. Guess which team most Terps fans think get an inordinate amount of calls? And I do think they get an advantage, just like Pete Rose rarely took a called third strike or Larry Bird didn't have travelling called against him. When you have a history of excellence, it's human nature for officials to expect that excellence too. And, as I said above, Duke makes plays that allow an official to call things against their opponent.
My opinion is that that's the way it is. Be good enough to overcome it.
The officials didn't decide that game yesterday - they didn't fumble the Birk/Flacco exchange, nor did they overthrow a receiver by a mile for an INT, nor did they let a WR get behind the secondary, nor did they drop passes right in their hands.
The Ravens are a good football team. But not good enough to make those mistakes and beat another good team.
bryhamm
Footballguy
Classy postCongrats, IB & the rest of the Steelers' fans. :( Tough, tough loss to take. I haven't read the thread but it appears that some are blaming the refs. Not me. The Ravens made too many mistakes to beat a good team like Pittsburgh - simple as that.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
I'd probably be labelled as "not a true Ravens fan" but I like Tomlin too. I love the way he talks & I think he's the absolute right coach for that team.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
The personal foul on Ward at the beginning of the game was horrible, I agree. But in the second half, the Steelers got one critical call after another, to the point that yes, it was lopsided. I would like to think that if I was a Steelers fan I would just acknowledge this and go on with my day, but like you said above, who knows?
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
Thanks. Don't get me wrong - that's the toughest loss I've endured as a fan in a while. I'm pretty even-keeled, but I'm feeling a bit low this a.m. At the same time, I like to think I'm realistic and am glad I don't live in Baltimore anymore risking listening to sports-talk whiners. nThe Ravens had every chance to win that game - several times.Classy postCongrats, IB & the rest of the Steelers' fans.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
If Baltimore had played close to perfect ball and had just ridiculous calls go against them, I'd be pissed about the refs. The only time I ever thought the reffing was so obviously lopsided in my 40-some years of rooting for my teams was the 2001 Final Four between Maryland & Duke. I'm not a conspiracy guy, so I don't want to assign motive but that game was questioned by many many hoops fans (not just Maryland). Not going into details, but that was a game where the refs changed the game so decidedly that it turned a 22 point lead into a 10 point loss.The game yesterday wasn't like that, IMO. Baltimore and Pittsburgh decided that game.
Clorox
Footballguy
Agreed. And hey, I like Harbaugh also. Most non-I'd probably be labelled as "not a true Ravens fan" but I like Tomlin too. I love the way he talks & I think he's the absolute right coach for that team.
fans can look at these things objectively. But this thread is full of hacks. Sorry about the Ravens loss for you and a few others. I can't imagine how bad it felt...probably as bad as I felt at halftime. I was already trying to figure out how to salvage a ruined 3-day weekend.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
I've never said otherwise.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
Didn't say you did IK - just piggybacking on what I bolded because I know what most Ravens fans (& and anti-yinzers) will be moaning about this a.m. I despise those arguments.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
On top of that, friggin Maryland blew a 12 point late lead to Nova yesterday. Shoulda known what was coming.Not a good day for my teams.Agreed. And hey, I like Harbaugh also. Most non-I'd probably be labelled as "not a true Ravens fan" but I like Tomlin too. I love the way he talks & I think he's the absolute right coach for that team.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Some classy ravens fans in this thread. Probably the classiest set of fans in this thread (including steeler fans. )
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Heatman
Footballguy
Clorox said:Good reading on this fine Sunday morning: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/sto...mp;sportCat=nfl
Tomlin spied Mendenhall trudging up the ramp to the locker room.
"C'mon, Rashard, I forgave you already," said Tomlin. "When you took that slash in and put us up by seven, that's when I forgave you.''
And then he saw Ward.
"C'mon, old man!" he yelled.
The old man was smiling. That's what happens when you knock out the bully.
Me too and to think the Vikings kept the moronic Childress over him. That's why the Vikings are always in the position they are in, keeping inferior coaches/players and letting the good talent get away.
HellToupee
Footballguy
I love the passion Harbaugh brings. Have to feel the Bengals & Browns are at a disadvantage when it comes to the HC in the divisionClorox said:Agreed. And hey, I like Harbaugh also. Most non-Uruk-Hai said:I'd probably be labelled as "not a true Ravens fan" but I like Tomlin too. I love the way he talks & I think he's the absolute right coach for that team.Clorox said:
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