DMac vs. Stewart (1 Viewer)

[LawFitz]

Define heart in the literal and figurative. Not just a big efficient beater but also the drive, dedication and desire to be elite.

We like to speak so much in terms of height and weight but I see a 6'4' 220 guy with 4.4 speed on TV tonight named Hank Baskett and can't help but think on almost every play he's involved in... "That guy's got no heart."

Stewart has the protypical height, weight and build. He's displayed vision, instincts, speed, burst and hands. I don't question his heart out right but I will say that he never jumped out of the screen to me like DMac did all through college.

Maybe DMac has more heart. Maybe he's not just faster but tougher. It's funny how DMac is the skinny one who can't handle the NFL load yet he always seemed healthy in the SEC while Stewart always seemed nicked - even now.

I can't tell you exactly what it is about DMC that screams to me that he's gonna be a star. But I believe it's real. And I'm glad there's a guy like Stewart with the perfect NFL RB build and talent to compare to. It's gonna be fun watching these parallel careers unfold. I for one am rooting for the skinny guy to defy the haters. Marcus Allen was skinny. Eric Dickerson was skinny.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Can we measure their hearts BMIs. That would help.

 

[EBF]

I'd probably say that McFadden plays with more fire. Stewart doesn't always look like he wants to be out there, which is a concern. He didn't have any trouble playing through turf toe last year though.

 

[Chaos Commish]

I'd probably say that McFadden plays with more fire. Stewart doesn't always look like he wants to be out there, which is a concern. He didn't have any trouble playing through turf toe last year though.

I hate this kind of speculation. Stewart is a great kid. He is also shy. A devout Christian churchgoer. He may not be as animated as McFadden. He may be more reserved. I think those things can cause some to misread him. You don't get his body by not having a huge desire to be stronger and faster. To think of how he carried Oregon after Dixon, and Johnson, and two leading receivers went down... and to carry that team injured... while the rest of the team struggled. McFadden has never been through anything like that. Who knows if he would have responded by quietly dominating while needing immediate surgery.

 

[Chachi]

Prediction: This thread turns into an all out urination assault on the SP.

I like both of these guys, I notice McFadden says all the right things, I'm sure Stewart does too although he's not in the public eye as much as McFadden. I think both will be studs with McFadden having more chance of being super elite and probaly a longer career just due to running style. I'm not down on Stewart because of his first 4 carries in the NFL.

 

[LawFitz]

Prediction: This thread turns into an all out urination assault on the SP.I like both of these guys, I notice McFadden says all the right things, I'm sure Stewart does too although he's not in the public eye as much as McFadden. I think both will be studs with McFadden having more chance of being super elite and probaly a longer career just due to running style. I'm not down on Stewart because of his first 4 carries in the NFL.

I'm not down on Stewart bro. I think he's awesome, actually.

 

[Chachi]

I'd probably say that McFadden plays with more fire. Stewart doesn't always look like he wants to be out there, which is a concern. He didn't have any trouble playing through turf toe last year though.

I hate this kind of speculation. Stewart is a great kid. He is also shy. A devout Christian churchgoer. He may not be as animated as McFadden. He may be more reserved. I think those things can cause some to misread him. You don't get his body by not having a huge desire to be stronger and faster. To think of how he carried Oregon after Dixon, and Johnson, and two leading receivers went down... and to carry that team injured... while the rest of the team struggled. McFadden has never been through anything like that. Who knows if he would have responded by quietly dominating while needing immediate surgery.

This is weak, I guess he hasn't gone through it because his QB and WR didn't get hurt. Maybe he would have responded by scoring 8 TDS per week, we can't speculate on stuff like this, it's futile.

 

[EBF]

I'd probably say that McFadden plays with more fire. Stewart doesn't always look like he wants to be out there, which is a concern. He didn't have any trouble playing through turf toe last year though.

I hate this kind of speculation. Stewart is a great kid. He is also shy. A devout Christian churchgoer. He may not be as animated as McFadden. He may be more reserved. I think those things can cause some to misread him. You don't get his body by not having a huge desire to be stronger and faster. To think of how he carried Oregon after Dixon, and Johnson, and two leading receivers went down... and to carry that team injured... while the rest of the team struggled. McFadden has never been through anything like that. Who knows if he would have responded by quietly dominating while needing immediate surgery.

I'm not saying he's a quitter or a character risk. I just noticed that he doesn't get as animated as a lot of the other guys. I like it when a player has a little swagger to his game.

 

[Chachi]

Prediction: This thread turns into an all out urination assault on the SP.I like both of these guys, I notice McFadden says all the right things, I'm sure Stewart does too although he's not in the public eye as much as McFadden. I think both will be studs with McFadden having more chance of being super elite and probaly a longer career just due to running style. I'm not down on Stewart because of his first 4 carries in the NFL.

I'm not down on Stewart bro. I think he's awesome, actually.

Doesn't sound like you are, in referring to the assault on the SP I wasn't thinking about you, I can see it turning into a Dmac stinks and Stewart stinks thread even with your good intentions.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Who has more heart......? Come on guys, really.

How are we supposed to measure this?

I may have more heart than LT2 but it doesn't matter, it matters who's more talented and who's the most dedicated.

 

[Chaos Commish]

I'd probably say that McFadden plays with more fire. Stewart doesn't always look like he wants to be out there, which is a concern. He didn't have any trouble playing through turf toe last year though.

I hate this kind of speculation. Stewart is a great kid. He is also shy. A devout Christian churchgoer. He may not be as animated as McFadden. He may be more reserved. I think those things can cause some to misread him. You don't get his body by not having a huge desire to be stronger and faster. To think of how he carried Oregon after Dixon, and Johnson, and two leading receivers went down... and to carry that team injured... while the rest of the team struggled. McFadden has never been through anything like that. Who knows if he would have responded by quietly dominating while needing immediate surgery.

This is weak, I guess he hasn't gone through it because his QB and WR didn't get hurt. Maybe he would have responded by scoring 8 TDS per week, we can't speculate on stuff like this, it's futile.

Strange. I give a passionate reply and you call it weak by supporting it. Maybe you just didn't comprehend. I do agree this thread has great potential for a trainwreck. So, I'll move along.

 

[Chachi]

I'd probably say that McFadden plays with more fire. Stewart doesn't always look like he wants to be out there, which is a concern. He didn't have any trouble playing through turf toe last year though.

I hate this kind of speculation. Stewart is a great kid. He is also shy. A devout Christian churchgoer. He may not be as animated as McFadden. He may be more reserved. I think those things can cause some to misread him. You don't get his body by not having a huge desire to be stronger and faster. To think of how he carried Oregon after Dixon, and Johnson, and two leading receivers went down... and to carry that team injured... while the rest of the team struggled. McFadden has never been through anything like that. Who knows if he would have responded by quietly dominating while needing immediate surgery.

This is weak, I guess he hasn't gone through it because his QB and WR didn't get hurt. Maybe he would have responded by scoring 8 TDS per week, we can't speculate on stuff like this, it's futile.

Strange. I give a passionate reply and you call it weak by supporting it. Maybe you just didn't comprehend. I do agree this thread has great potential for a trainwreck. So, I'll move along.

I'll ride shotgun, lets blow this popsicle stand before the trains come crashing.

 

[LawFitz]

Who has more heart......? Come on guys, really.How are we supposed to measure this?I may have more heart than LT2 but it doesn't matter, it matters who's more talented and who's the most dedicated.

You can only measure it with your eyes when you watch them play. This is not a quantitative question.

 

[cstu]

I'd probably say that McFadden plays with more fire. Stewart doesn't always look like he wants to be out there, which is a concern. He didn't have any trouble playing through turf toe last year though.

I hate this kind of speculation. Stewart is a great kid. He is also shy. A devout Christian churchgoer. He may not be as animated as McFadden. He may be more reserved. I think those things can cause some to misread him. You don't get his body by not having a huge desire to be stronger and faster. To think of how he carried Oregon after Dixon, and Johnson, and two leading receivers went down... and to carry that team injured... while the rest of the team struggled. McFadden has never been through anything like that. Who knows if he would have responded by quietly dominating while needing immediate surgery.

I think what McFadden has been through in his life is a lot worse than Stewart having some teammates get injured.

 

[pizzatyme]

When I read this thread's title, I think of Steve Smith and Marvin Harrison

Smith plays with more "fire" than Harrison. Both are great, just different.

 

[T Bell]

DMac's heart has skinny legs.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Who has more heart......? Come on guys, really.How are we supposed to measure this?I may have more heart than LT2 but it doesn't matter, it matters who's more talented and who's the most dedicated.

You can only measure it with your eyes when you watch them play. This is not a quantitative question.

Well, I think John Cappelletti (former Heisman winner) had the most heart of any running back I saw and that didn't do him very much good in the pros.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

When I read this thread's title, I think of Steve Smith and Marvin HarrisonSmith plays with more "fire" than Harrison. Both are great, just different.

Right, but how do you measure "heart."I mean, Harrison has one more ring than Smith.....was it because he had more heart than he did? I don't think so, I just think he was a better WR.

 

[LawFitz]

DMac's heart has skinny legs.

And a bigger core. Which is more important in your opinion?BTW, is it just me or does DMac look a lot bigger in NFL pads than expected. I thought he looked sufficiently big compared to other players on the field the other night for a feature RB.Freak is what I see. Talent that is.

 

[LawFitz]

Who has more heart......? Come on guys, really.How are we supposed to measure this?I may have more heart than LT2 but it doesn't matter, it matters who's more talented and who's the most dedicated.

You can only measure it with your eyes when you watch them play. This is not a quantitative question.

Well, I think John Cappelletti (former Heisman winner) had the most heart of any running back I saw and that didn't do him very much good in the pros.

How about when you combine heart with freak athleticism and natural football instincts and love?

 

[T Bell]

DMac's heart has skinny legs.

And a bigger core. Which is more important in your opinion?BTW, is it just me or does DMac look a lot bigger in NFL pads than expected. I thought he looked sufficiently big compared to other players on the field the other night for a feature RB.Freak is what I see. Talent that is.

Those uniforms make everyone look thicker. They made Harvey Williams look bigger. I suppose it could be expected they'll make DMac look bigger too.

 

[pizzatyme]

DMac's heart has skinny legs.

And a bigger core. Which is more important in your opinion?BTW, is it just me or does DMac look a lot bigger in NFL pads than expected. I thought he looked sufficiently big compared to other players on the field the other night for a feature RB.Freak is what I see. Talent that is.

Those uniforms make everyone look thicker. They made Harvey Williams look bigger. I suppose it could be expected they'll make DMac look bigger too.

Agreed, they certainly made Corey Simon's ### look bigger in a Colts uni!

 

[T Bell]

DMac's heart has skinny legs.

And a bigger core. Which is more important in your opinion?BTW, is it just me or does DMac look a lot bigger in NFL pads than expected. I thought he looked sufficiently big compared to other players on the field the other night for a feature RB.Freak is what I see. Talent that is.

Those uniforms make everyone look thicker. They made Harvey Williams look bigger. I suppose it could be expected they'll make DMac look bigger too.

Agreed, they certainly made Corey Simon's ### look bigger in a Colts uni!

Corey looked like the Sta-puft Marshmallow Man in a Colts uni.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Who has more heart......? Come on guys, really.How are we supposed to measure this?I may have more heart than LT2 but it doesn't matter, it matters who's more talented and who's the most dedicated.

You can only measure it with your eyes when you watch them play. This is not a quantitative question.

Well, I think John Cappelletti (former Heisman winner) had the most heart of any running back I saw and that didn't do him very much good in the pros.

How about when you combine heart with freak athleticism and natural football instincts and love?

Michael Phelps? That's all I hear on the news, I figured it was a good answer for anything these days.

 

[pizzatyme]

When I read this thread's title, I think of Steve Smith and Marvin HarrisonSmith plays with more "fire" than Harrison. Both are great, just different.

Right, but how do you measure "heart."I mean, Harrison has one more ring than Smith.....was it because he had more heart than he did? I don't think so, I just think he was a better WR.

Or, maybe he played on a better team? Bradshaw has more rings than Brady or P. Manning, does that make him a better QB?

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

When I read this thread's title, I think of Steve Smith and Marvin HarrisonSmith plays with more "fire" than Harrison. Both are great, just different.

Right, but how do you measure "heart."I mean, Harrison has one more ring than Smith.....was it because he had more heart than he did? I don't think so, I just think he was a better WR.

Or, maybe he played on a better team? Bradshaw has more rings than Brady or P. Manning, does that make him a better QB?

I don't know......maybe and of course they're both not done.I've been thinking lately that since Felix Jones looks so good for Dallas and he backed up McFadden at Arkansas, I'm starting to wonder just how good McFadden is.Now, offensive lines play a big part of any running back's success but the Raiders had a solid running game last year.

 

[pizzatyme]

When I read this thread's title, I think of Steve Smith and Marvin HarrisonSmith plays with more "fire" than Harrison. Both are great, just different.

Right, but how do you measure "heart."I mean, Harrison has one more ring than Smith.....was it because he had more heart than he did? I don't think so, I just think he was a better WR.

Or, maybe he played on a better team? Bradshaw has more rings than Brady or P. Manning, does that make him a better QB?

I don't know......maybe and of course they're both not done.I've been thinking lately that since Felix Jones looks so good for Dallas and he backed up McFadden at Arkansas, I'm starting to wonder just how good McFadden is.Now, offensive lines play a big part of any running back's success but the Raiders had a solid running game last year.

I think DMac is going to hit top 10 this year if given the touches. I think they'll give the courtesy starts to Fargas early on (2 games) but will quiclky switch to the more explosive and more talented DMac.We'll see.

 

[DoubleG]

I'm sorry, but this question s difficult to answer, as the OP forgot to include the scoring system for his league and how many points each player gets for "heart".

Seriously, while I can see this is a valid question to a point (especially given that I am a Bears fan suffering through the Cedric Benson era debacle), the fact is, you are trying measure what most football people call "immeasurables". Following up on the Cedric Benson thing, there were many in the Bears orginization that said they took him becuase he was a "high character guy" - whoo-freaking-oops.

I mean obviously if a guy was arrested 14 times during his college career, or got into a fist fight with his coach or had obvious "issues" - it's easy to see, but one of the issues facing some NFL rookies, is that no one (including them) has any idea how a 19 year old is going to react to the freedom, money, pressure, fame, frustrations, etc. of being an NFL player.

 

[JAA]

Stewart sure put on a show last night ldskoolrolleyes:

 

[T Bell]

Who has more heart......? Come on guys, really.How are we supposed to measure this?I may have more heart than LT2 but it doesn't matter, it matters who's more talented and who's the most dedicated.

You can only measure it with your eyes when you watch them play. This is not a quantitative question.

Well, I think John Cappelletti (former Heisman winner) had the most heart of any running back I saw and that didn't do him very much good in the pros.

How about when you combine heart with freak athleticism and natural football instincts and love?

Michael Phelps? That's all I hear on the news, I figured it was a good answer for anything these days.

That or Brett Favre.

 

[sholditch]

I'd probably say that McFadden plays with more fire. Stewart doesn't always look like he wants to be out there, which is a concern. He didn't have any trouble playing through turf toe last year though.

I hate this kind of speculation. Stewart is a great kid. He is also shy. A devout Christian churchgoer. He may not be as animated as McFadden. He may be more reserved. I think those things can cause some to misread him. You don't get his body by not having a huge desire to be stronger and faster. To think of how he carried Oregon after Dixon, and Johnson, and two leading receivers went down... and to carry that team injured... while the rest of the team struggled. McFadden has never been through anything like that. Who knows if he would have responded by quietly dominating while needing immediate surgery.

This is weak, I guess he hasn't gone through it because his QB and WR didn't get hurt. Maybe he would have responded by scoring 8 TDS per week, we can't speculate on stuff like this, it's futile.

And ironic because he carried his entire team for like three years. I bet he alone amounted to more than 50% of their offense while he was there. Ha, I was close. IN 2007 he had 2117 total yards, the team had 5950, 35%.

 

[LawFitz]

the fact is, you are trying measure what most football people call "immeasurables"

I disagree to an extent. I think heart comes through when watching them play. Do they fight for extra yards? Do they have that burning desire to beat the man in front of them? Will they establish dominance of will over their opponents? When the ball is in the air do they go get it as opposed to waiting for it? In the clutch are they looking for the ball or a place to hide?The measurables are great but too often on these boards and in the NFL draft way too much emphasis is placed on height/weight/speed. How about toughness? How about skill? How about fire? It's easy to say hey these things can't be measured so one shouldn't bother worrying about them. The truth however, is that they can be measured (although it's much more difficult) and quite often it's these traits that determine success more than anything else.Emmitt and TD were too slow. So is Marion Barber. DMac is too skinny. But all of them had/have blazing fire in their bellies.Jon Stewart may as well, but I didn't see it to anywhere near the same degree in his college career. Like I've said before I like Stewart a lot and think he has tremendous potential but DMac just has that it factor that I can't explain.

 

[Irish]

When I read this thread's title, I think of Steve Smith and Marvin HarrisonSmith plays with more "fire" than Harrison. Both are great, just different.

Right, but how do you measure "heart."I mean, Harrison has one more ring than Smith.....was it because he had more heart than he did? I don't think so, I just think he was a better WR.

Or, maybe he played on a better team? Bradshaw has more rings than Brady or P. Manning, does that make him a better QB?

I'll take this one, YES!!!! That was an easy one.

 

[Sabertooth]

I'd probably say that McFadden plays with more fire. Stewart doesn't always look like he wants to be out there, which is a concern. He didn't have any trouble playing through turf toe last year though.

I hate this kind of speculation. Stewart is a great kid. He is also shy. A devout Christian churchgoer. He may not be as animated as McFadden. He may be more reserved. I think those things can cause some to misread him. You don't get his body by not having a huge desire to be stronger and faster. To think of how he carried Oregon after Dixon, and Johnson, and two leading receivers went down... and to carry that team injured... while the rest of the team struggled. McFadden has never been through anything like that. Who knows if he would have responded by quietly dominating while needing immediate surgery.

I'm not saying he's a quitter or a character risk. I just noticed that he doesn't get as animated as a lot of the other guys. I like it when a player has a little swagger to his game.

Barry Sanders said it best "Act like you've been there before and you'll be there again."

 

[Gr00vus]

So DMac means Darren McFadden and not Deuce McAllister now? Good to know.

What does the a stand for again?

 

[T Bell]

So DMac means Darren McFadden and not Deuce McAllister now? Good to know.

What does the a stand for again?

outstanding

 

[Gr00vus]

So DMac means Darren McFadden and not Deuce McAllister now? Good to know.

What does the a stand for again?

outstanding

awesomeness!!!

 

[Sabertooth]

So DMac means Darren McFadden and not Deuce McAllister now? Good to know.

What does the a stand for again?

outstanding