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proninja said:
I think that Bernie honestly wants to do what is best for the country, and he feels that Hillary is better for the country than Trump, and he'd rather do everything he can to keep Trump from getting elected than do what's best for Bernie, and I think that's admirable. If he falls in line, I see it as Bernie continuing to do the right thing, and I respect him even more for it. 

Trump isn't a normal us vs them candidate. He's awful. 
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This is a huge stretch. Could just as easily be because Bernie knows he will get run out of the party so he's falling in line to stay in.  Admirable is one of the last terms I would use to describe any of these people.  Don't be naive. 

 
flapgreen said:
This is a huge stretch. Could just as easily be because Bernie knows he will get run out of the party so he's falling in line to stay in.  Admirable is one of the last terms I would use to describe any of these people.  Don't be naive. 
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Run out of the party that he's not really even a part of?

 
Gucci Fur said:
Where does one find donor info for current elections? I know you can find historical info, wasn't aware you can find data from last month.
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I think that I used to get data from Secretary of State's office in Idaho. Wouldn't swear to it though.

 
timschochet said:
IvanKaramazov said:
Have you looked at any polling data recently?  Hillary would be the most unpopular candidate in modern history if she wasn't running against Orange Hitler.  The email thing seems to have knee-capped her.
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She'll be back. 

I wrote that the Comey thing would give her a bad two weeks. That plus the cop shootings in Dallas allowed Trump to appeal to law and order at his convention. 

But this isn't 1968. I don't believe that most Americans are scared enough to buy into Trump's bull crap (I hope not). Things will start to change this coming week.
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Except you don't need most Americans.  Given that just around 40% of the population actually vote each election, you need around 22% to buy into Trump's crap.  Or 22% to buy into Hillary's.  

 
BeaverCleaver said:
And no matter what they say or do you still oppose them.
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Hillary and Trump?

Yes...they have done and said enough at this point that its crazy to support them.

They are beyond change that would make eithereither of them worth supporting.

 
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Slapdash said:
Except you don't need most Americans.  Given that just around 40% of the population actually vote each election, you need around 22% to buy into Trump's crap.  Or 22% to buy into Hillary's.  
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Good point. But I still don't think there's enough. We'll see. 

 
flapgreen said:
He ran for nomination as a Democrat and joined the Democrats last year.  How much more of a part of it can you be? 
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He was an independent for 50 years. He joined the Democrats for 1 because he (rightly) knew that it would be impossible to win the presidency as a 3rd party. Now that the presidential run is over, do you really think he cares much about being a member of the party?

Obviously you don't, you're just trying to stir the pot when you act like Bernie is some life long Democrat who's desperate to maintain a strong relationship with the party.  You can't possibly believe that while in the same sentence trying to imply that other people are dense. 

 
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As Democrats Gather, a Russian Subplot Raises Intrigue

But researchers have concluded that the national committee was breached by two Russian intelligence agencies, which were the same attackers behind previous Russian cyberoperations at the White House, the State Department and the Joint Chiefs of Staff last year. And metadata from the released emails suggests that the documents passed through Russian computers. Though a hacker claimed responsibility for giving the emails to WikiLeaks, the same agencies are the prime suspects. 
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timschochet said:
Conservatives are getting frustrated: why aren't you progressives more pissed off about this???
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As long as there's a "D" after their name, no offense is deemed punishable by the left.  That loser from NY had to show his weiner a second time (after being given the "come on, dude, knock it off" speech) on Twitter before he was shamed out of politics.

Would any Republican have survived "Fast and Furious"?  Press would have buried them alive.  Since a Democrat did it, half the country thinks it's just a movie title, and not a poorly conceived plan to advance Obama's anti-gun position that resulted in violence and murder.

Sorry for the hijack, back to the topic at hand. Except to say, F Obama, I hope he gets uncontrollable anal leakage.

 
FreeBaGeL said:
He was an independent for 50 years. He joined the Democrats for 1 because he (rightly) knew that it would be impossible to win the presidency as a 3rd party. Now that the presidential run is over, do you really think he cares much about being a member of the party?

Obviously you don't, you're just trying to stir the pot when you act like Bernie is some life long Democrat who's desperate to maintain a strong relationship with the party.  You can't possibly believe that while in the same sentence trying to imply that other people are dense. 
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Bernie Sanders is more of a Democrat than Hillary Clinton.  He just never felt the need to use a (D) next to his name as a validation of his resume.  But, no objective observer can question his political/philosophical roots and simultaneously vouch for Hillary's.

 
timschochet said:
The Clinton Foundation is a non profit charity; it has nothing to do with this election. 
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When the worm turned so did his attitude . Guy is a real sour#### all of a sudden

wow #### as in #####cat is censored , I'm talking cat , kitten , ####inboots etc

 
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Walking Boot said:
The nice part about a Trump presidency is that everyone in government will finally have to do their jobs and babysit the guy to make sure he doesn't accidentally blow up the planet. As will the press. Admittedly, they only take things serious anyway when a Republican is in office, but at least Trump will deserve the scrutiny they should have been putting on all public officials for the last 20 years 
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Logistically, a Trump presidency would be the greatest thing for the DNC.  They've been holding the economy together the last 8 years with fishing line and bubble gum (and a healthy dose of credit), which they could let Trump unravel into economic chaos.  In 2020, they don't have to run Hillary anymore, so one of the bright young stars takes over with a bad economy as an election issue.  With two straight Republican presidencies resulting in economic anarchy, Democrats would have the upper hand on economic polling.  Trump would likely lose in 2020, and cripple the downstream ticket in a redistricting year.

Wouldn't be the worst thing (at least big picture wise) if they lost this one.

 
http://wtam.iheart.com/articles/local-news-122520/marcia-fudge-says-bernie-sanders-should-14506141/


Marcia Fudge Says Bernie Sanders Should Step Aside







Posted March 17th, 2016 @ 10:40pm by Josh Boose
 
One of Northeast Ohio's most influential Democrats says it's time for Democratic Presidential contender Bernie Sanders to get out of the presidential race.

Representative Marcia Fudge (D-11th District, Cleveland) spoke with Cleveland City Councilman Zack Reed on WTAM 1100 Thursday evening saying Sanders should step aside.

"If Bernie Sanders were a real Democrat and not really an Independent trying to be a Democrat, he would allow us to pull together and coalesce around our candidate, " said Fudge.

Fudge, the former chairperson of the Congressional Black Caucus went on to say,"I understand he may want to have some influence on delegates and he can do that now.  I'm not saying he's a bad guy for staying in, I think that he has a role he needs to play, but what it costs us is time and money." 

Hillary Clinton won Tuesday's Democratic Primary in Ohio's winner take-all-contest. On Thursday night, Sanders conceded to Clinton in Missouri's Primary where the vote was still too close to call. Clinton lead by a little more than 1,500 votes. In that instance, a recount is warranted, but Sanders said he didn't want to waste taxpayer money. The delegates will be divided up between the two candidates. 

 
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Man, it would be awesome if the next batch of emails showed that the DNC worked with the media to get Trump nominated because they knew that he was the only one Hillary could beat.

 
I find it hysterical that they ask Bernie to step aside after pretty much demanding his endorsement and continuing to be a part of this process. That shows me they really thought that if he laid down and bent over, so would his supporters. Complete lack of a sense of reality on their part.

 
David Dodds said:
on March 17th no less.  Burn this whole DNC to the ground.  The fix was in.
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As I recall, after the Missouri primary, the mathematical odds of Bernie winning the nomination were incredibly low. Yet he stayed in. DNC officials were concerned, rightfully, that he was dividing the party by sticking around.  He had the right to do so, and he chose to. 

But once again I strongly object to your comment "the fix was in". What exactly did the DNC do to "fix" this election? How did they accomplish that? How did they get 3 million more voters to choose Hillary Clinton? 

 
David Dodds said:
"If Bernie Sanders were a real Democrat and not really an Independent trying to be a Democrat, he would allow us to pull together and coalesce around our candidate, " said Fudge.
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So get in line all you Bernie supporters and coalesce around their candidate.

 
ShamrockPride said:
I find it hysterical that they ask Bernie to step aside after pretty much demanding his endorsement and continuing to be a part of this process. That shows me they really thought that if he laid down and bent over, so would his supporters. Complete lack of a sense of reality on their part.
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The vast majority of Bernie Sanders supporters are going to vote for Hillary Clinton- (that excludes the millennials, many of whom can't be bothered to vote.) They're not going to vote for Jill Stein, and they're certainly not going to vote for Donald Trump. If you think that this "scandal" is going to have a significant effect on this election, you're going to be sorely disappointed. 

 
David Dodds said:
http://wtam.iheart.com/articles/local-news-122520/marcia-fudge-says-bernie-sanders-should-14506141/


Marcia Fudge Says Bernie Sanders Should Step Aside







Posted March 17th, 2016 @ 10:40pm by Josh Boose
 
One of Northeast Ohio's most influential Democrats says it's time for Democratic Presidential contender Bernie Sanders to get out of the presidential race.

Representative Marcia Fudge (D-11th District, Cleveland) spoke with Cleveland City Councilman Zack Reed on WTAM 1100 Thursday evening saying Sanders should step aside.

"If Bernie Sanders were a real Democrat and not really an Independent trying to be a Democrat, he would allow us to pull together and coalesce around our candidate, " said Fudge.

Fudge, the former chairperson of the Congressional Black Caucus went on to say,"I understand he may want to have some influence on delegates and he can do that now.  I'm not saying he's a bad guy for staying in, I think that he has a role he needs to play, but what it costs us is time and money." 

Hillary Clinton won Tuesday's Democratic Primary in Ohio's winner take-all-contest. On Thursday night, Sanders conceded to Clinton in Missouri's Primary where the vote was still too close to call. Clinton lead by a little more than 1,500 votes. In that instance, a recount is warranted, but Sanders said he didn't want to waste taxpayer money. The delegates will be divided up between the two candidates. 
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So what? How is this controversial in any way? She was publicly urging Bernie to drop out, which was well within her right to do. She called him an "Independent trying to be a Democrat", which again was well within her rights. There's nothing in this story that indicates that she was conspiring against Sanders. So why the fauxtrage?

 
timschochet said:
The vast majority of Bernie Sanders supporters are going to vote for Hillary Clinton- (that excludes the millennials, many of whom can't be bothered to vote.) They're not going to vote for Jill Stein, and they're certainly not going to vote for Donald Trump. If you think that this "scandal" is going to have a significant effect on this election, you're going to be sorely disappointed. 
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#1. My mistake. I did not see the date the first read thru that this was written in March.

#2. I highly disagree with you on your anti-millennial sentiment. I didn't know you were one of the fellow Millennial bashers that is this forum's black eye, Tim. I'm honestly kind of surprised (and disappointed) by that. I think it's pretty clear the Millennials alone turned the tables for Bernie in the primaries, and without them it would have been a landslide Clinton win. They flocked to help Bernie this cycle. The system failed them on multiple occasions as you can easily Google. What they do now that Bernie is out? I do not know. Maybe most vote for Hillary. Maybe some go 3rd or don't vote. I'm sure a few angry let down ones will go Trump. I don't know. But I have no doubt that if Bernie was the Dem rep, you would see the Millennial vote come through in incredible numbers. I also know Bernie's politics are not going away, and as the old guard gets replaced, this will become a historical issue that this nation needs to confront head on.

 
[scooter] said:
So what? How is this controversial in any way? 
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The DNC has booted two party chairs within the last 24 hours for colluding against Bernie. Appointing someone else who publicly called Bernie a DINO and called Hillary "our candidate" before the nomination was decided does not look good at all - even though it may have been "well within her rights" at the time. Terrible choice for a party that should be in total damage control mode right now.

 
timschochet said:
The vast majority of Bernie Sanders supporters are going to vote for Hillary Clinton- (that excludes the millennials, many of whom can't be bothered to vote.) They're not going to vote for Jill Stein, and they're certainly not going to vote for Donald Trump. If you think that this "scandal" is going to have a significant effect on this election, you're going to be sorely disappointed. 
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http://www.politico.com/story/2012/11/study-youth-vote-was-decisive-083510

Levine and Rock The Vote President Heather Smith both said in a conference call with reporters on Wednesday that increased turnout over presidential elections in 2004, 2008 and 2012 shows high voter turnout is a “new normal” with the millennial generation, compared to less engaged voters in Generation X. In the 1990s, youth turnout was regularly less than 40 percent.

“I think we’ve now established a fairly decent pattern that his generation is different from their older brothers and sisters, and we can put those rumors of apathy to bed,” Smith said on a conference call with reporters, adding: “This voting bloc can no longer be an afterthought to any party or campaign.”
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I'd be pleasantly surprised if millennials turn out in large numbers. Perhaps Im wrong and they will. It would certainly change American politics. 

 
bud29 said:
The DNC has booted two party chairs within the last 24 hours for colluding against Bernie. Appointing someone else who publicly called Bernie a DINO and called Hillary "our candidate" before the nomination was decided does not look good at all - even though it may have been "well within her rights" at the time. Terrible choice for a party that should be in total damage control mode right now.
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They don't care. They simply don't care 

 
timschochet said:
As I recall, after the Missouri primary, the mathematical odds of Bernie winning the nomination were incredibly low. Yet he stayed in. DNC officials were concerned, rightfully, that he was dividing the party by sticking around.  He had the right to do so, and he chose to. 

But once again I strongly object to your comment "the fix was in". What exactly did the DNC do to "fix" this election? How did they accomplish that? How did they get 3 million more voters to choose Hillary Clinton? 




 
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30 states still had not voted, but yes the DNC wanted everyone vacating because Bernie supporters were grabbing large crowds and running away with some states.  The only way the math could say the race was over on March 17th was to count all the "rigged" super-delegates that all pledged their support for HRC before the process even began.  I will stay with my assertion that the FIX WAS IN.

 
David Dodds said:
30 states still had not voted, but yes the DNC wanted everyone vacating because Bernie supporters were grabbing large crowds and running away with some states.  The only way the math could say the race was over on March 17th was to count all the "rigged" super-delegates that all pledged their support for HRC before the process even began.  I will stay with my assertion that the FIX WAS IN.
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Do you think discounting the prospective poll votes For Hillary post 03/17 is leveling the playing field in your analysis?  

 
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David Dodds said:
30 states still had not voted, but yes the DNC wanted everyone vacating because Bernie supporters were grabbing large crowds and running away with some states.  The only way the math could say the race was over on March 17th was to count all the "rigged" super-delegates that all pledged their support for HRC before the process even began.  I will stay with my assertion that the FIX WAS IN.
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Read what you just wrote. "The fix was in on March 17th, even though the superdelegates were already rigged".

Circular logic doesn't suit you very well.

 
dutch said:
Do you think discounting the prospective poll votes For Hillary post 03/17 is leveling the playing field in your analysis?  
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I don't understand the question.  30 states were still to vote.  Bernie was drawing tons of new voters into the process.  The DNC should have been happy seeing the big turnouts and let the best person win.  That's what a democracy is.

 
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