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DNC Leaks...official thread (1 Viewer)

tommyboy said:
What I meant was who cares if it's the Russians or some dude from Belgium or the CIA.  The emails speak for themselves
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oh...wasnt sure ....read like who cares about anything thats going on lol...my bad....i agree then ...who cares about who opened up this #### storm...its out now and we have seen the truth for once

 
So now private security firms and the US government intelligence apparatus is on board with it being the Russians.

If Republicans can make hay with swift boats and Kenya you'd think Dems will be able to go to town and back with this stuff.  And Trump's not going to get much cover from prominent Republicans as it unfolds either.

:popcorn:

 
wdcrob said:
So now private security firms and the US government intelligence apparatus is on board with it being the Russians.

If Republicans can make hay with swift boats and Kenya you'd think Dems will be able to go to town and back with this stuff.  And Trump's not going to get much cover from prominent Republicans as it unfolds either.

:popcorn:
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Agree.  However, those same intelligence agencies see no evidence of coordination with Trump.  DNC breach first occurred long before Trump was terribly relevant.  

This probably has more to do with Secretary Clinton's 2011 remarks about the rigged election of Putin.  http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/clinton-putin-226153

And, Trump is a lucky bystander/beneficiary in all of this.  I badly want Trump to lose, but I don't think it's at all likely he was involved.

 
cobalt_27 said:
Agree.  However, those same intelligence agencies see no evidence of coordination with Trump.  DNC breach first occurred long before Trump was terribly relevant.  

This probably has more to do with Secretary Clinton's 2011 remarks about the rigged election of Putin.  http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/clinton-putin-226153

And, Trump is a lucky bystander/beneficiary in all of this.  I badly want Trump to lose, but I don't think it's at all likely he was involved.
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Whoa, is anyone suggesting Trump is involved?

 
wdcrob said:
So now private security firms and the US government intelligence apparatus is on board with it being the Russians.

If Republicans can make hay with swift boats and Kenya you'd think Dems will be able to go to town and back with this stuff.  And Trump's not going to get much cover from prominent Republicans as it unfolds either.

:popcorn:
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Only in America can you getting busted for being corrupt and end up turning it into a positive and get a promotion.

 
Rick James said:
Democrats are acting like the dude who gets caught cheating and gets mad you looked through his phone.
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They should be disgusted with the leadership.  The crappy part is, I don't think this will change anything.  Nothing would be changed.  

#1 goal of each party is to win as many elections as possible, yes?  If the leadership believes that a candidate has a lesser chance to win an election, they will throw support behind their guy, and I have no doubt will pull some dirty ####.  A few emails getting hacked, some embarrassing quotes, and a person having to fall on her sword won't change anything.  

 
massraider said:
Whoa, is anyone suggesting Trump is involved?
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From this Sunday on, there has been overt speculation about this.  Paul Manafort was asked directly by George Stephanopolous and since then the question hasn't been so much if the Russians were involved, but whether or not Trump was an actor as well.

 
I love putins response about all of this, the "usual fun and games" of the U.S. elections.  We claim to be a government decided by the people, but on an international stage it looks like hanging chads, media cooperation, and rigged elections.

 
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Quez said:
I love putins response about all of this, the "usual fun and games" of the U.S. elections.  We claim to be a government decided by the people, but on an international stage it looks like hanging chads, media cooperation, and rigged elections.
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Putin doesn't represent the world's view on the US, it's elections, or it's policies.  

 
massraider said:
Whoa, is anyone suggesting Trump is involved?
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Only a matter of time

if a R gets caught doing something bad, even if the methods were illegal, it's about the act.  If a D gets caught. Then we have to after the people who uncovered it.

Thats the way it works

 
Rove! said:
A couple Florida democrats illegally recorded Newt Gingrichs phone conversation where he said nothing Ilegal, but somehow the whole story was bad on Newt.  Romney makes his 43 % remark, the legality is questionable, http://www.politico.com/story/2012/09/47-percent-recording-may-be-illegal-081346, but the recorder is hailed as a folk hero and it's bad bad Romney.

There are numerous other examples
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I really don't care about the mean old media being unfair to the poor old conservatives.  

The partisan crap, where it's all about wht the other guy is doing, is sad and boring.  

If liberals are ignoring the content of the emails, then they are partisan boneheads that care more about winning than anything.  

And if conservatives are ignoring what Putin's actions and motivations might be, they are partisan boneheads as well.  

 
massraider said:
I really don't care about the mean old media being unfair to the poor old conservatives.  

The partisan crap, where it's all about wht the other guy is doing, is sad and boring.  

If liberals are ignoring the content of the emails, then they are partisan boneheads that care more about winning than anything.  

And if conservatives are ignoring what Putin's actions and motivations might be, they are partisan boneheads as well.  
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Putin is expected to be biased, and if he can influence something according to his bias, why wouldn't he?

The DNC is NOT expected to be biased, and if they influenced the nomination to favor Hillary, they shouldn't have done that.

 
Politician Spock said:
Putin is expected to be biased, and if he can influence something according to his bias, why wouldn't he?
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I'm not upset at a snake for being a snake.  

I think it's fair to wonder why Putin thinks it's better if Trump is president.   I don't think Putin isn't intelligent.  I think he has a very good idea how things will go.  

 
massraider said:
I'm not upset at a snake for being a snake.  

I think it's fair to wonder why Putin thinks it's better if Trump is president.   I don't think Putin isn't intelligent.  I think he has a very good idea how things will go.  
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It's obvious why Putin prefers Trump. Putin is violently opposed to globalism. Hillary supports that, where as Trump is an isolationist. 

 
Politician Spock said:
It's obvious why Putin prefers Trump. Putin is violently opposed to globalism. Hillary supports that, where as Trump is an isolationist. 
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Big difference between being an isolationist and opposing trade agreements that hurt the average American worker. I wouldn't call Trump an isolationist simply because he sees the dark side of being a globalist.

 
bueno said:
Big difference between being an isolationist and opposing trade agreements that hurt the average American worker. I wouldn't call Trump an isolationist simply because he sees the dark side of being a globalist.
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I don't think Putin's preference for Trump is due to his acceptance of Trump. I think it's due to his rejection of Hillary.  

ETA: I think Putin would have prefered Sanders too.

 
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Politician Spock said:
It's obvious why Putin prefers Trump. Putin is violently opposed to globalism. Hillary supports that, where as Trump is an isolationist. 
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Trumo would say he favors free trade when it's fair trade and that he has a magic elixir to make better trade deals.  There's a kernel in there that we may come out better if we bring somebody like Carl Icahn to the table rather than More political people...

 
Rove! said:
Trumo would say he favors free trade when it's fair trade and that he has a magic elixir to make better trade deals.  There's a kernel in there that we may come out better if we bring somebody like Carl Icahn to the table rather than More political people...
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I somewhat agree with you. One of my issues with globalism is that there are a lot of people in the movement that feel the rest of the world suffers due to US success, as they should feel that was because it's completely true. So their goal with globalism is to even the playing field worldwide... which would be bad for the US. Trump doesn't give a crap if other countries suffer due to our superior position in the global market. In fact, he'd push for an even more unfair solution if we were on the benefiting side. 

 
you'd think that the very same people who shout about the 1% owning all the wealth would support Trump and decry globalism, but whatever

 
Rick James said:
you'd think that the very same people who shout about the 1% owning all the wealth would support Trump and decry globalism, but whatever
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The Clintons and the Obamas are the 1% but it isn't about amassing the most wealth.  It's about securing their seats at the global head table, where the true power lies.  

 
Haven't followed this nearly as well as I should.  Wasn't voting Hillary anyway.  Can this be considered a "scandal"?  I understand that DWS stepped down because of this, and did so right before the election.  In the end, what did she do other than have a preference for Hillary over Bernie?  And if that's it, was that so wrong (in her position)?

Thanks, I'll hang up and listen.

 
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