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Do the Bolts fire Norv now or wait... (1 Viewer)
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phthalatemagic
Footballguy
If you hired a pilot to aim an airplane for a mountain, you don't tell him to get out of his seat right before impact. You have to see it through. The Chargers would have been better off if they held some sort of a "be coach for a day" contest with SD fans.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
they're gutless. they'll keep him & let him bleed.
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
I think it should depend on what Bill Cowher wants to do.
Liltee8869
Footballguy
Get Bill Cowher in there. He right that turd!
Ghost of Red Blaik
Footballguy
Amazing how Pro sports have retreads in the coaching business...
Someone tell me what this guys record is overall....Just curious....
My Dad is a big Chargers fan and is at the point where he can't stand to watch them with Turner at the helm.
Someone tell me what this guys record is overall....Just curious....
My Dad is a big Chargers fan and is at the point where he can't stand to watch them with Turner at the helm.
Black
Footballguy
Team Year Regular Season Post Season
Won Lost Ties Win % Finish Won Lost Win % Result
WAS 1994 3 13 0 .188 5th in NFC East - - - -
WAS 1995 6 10 0 .375 3rd in NFC East - - - -
WAS 1996 9 7 0 .563 3rd in NFC East - - - -
WAS 1997 8 7 1 .500 2nd in NFC East - - - -
WAS 1998 6 10 0 .375 4th in NFC East - - - -
WAS 1999 10 6 0 .625 1st in NFC East 1 1 .500 Lost to Tampa Bay Buccaneers in NFC Divisional Game.
WAS 2000 7 6 0 .538 3rd in NFC East - - - -
WAS Total 49 59 1 .454 1 1 .500
OAK 2004 5 11 0 .313 4th in AFC West - - - -
OAK 2005 4 12 0 .250 4th in AFC West - - - -
OAK Total 9 23 0 .281 - - -
SD 2007 11 5 0 .688 1st in AFC West 2 1 .666 Lost AFC Championship Game against New England Patriots
Total 69 87 1 .442 3 2 .600
Won Lost Ties Win % Finish Won Lost Win % Result
WAS 1994 3 13 0 .188 5th in NFC East - - - -
WAS 1995 6 10 0 .375 3rd in NFC East - - - -
WAS 1996 9 7 0 .563 3rd in NFC East - - - -
WAS 1997 8 7 1 .500 2nd in NFC East - - - -
WAS 1998 6 10 0 .375 4th in NFC East - - - -
WAS 1999 10 6 0 .625 1st in NFC East 1 1 .500 Lost to Tampa Bay Buccaneers in NFC Divisional Game.
WAS 2000 7 6 0 .538 3rd in NFC East - - - -
WAS Total 49 59 1 .454 1 1 .500
OAK 2004 5 11 0 .313 4th in AFC West - - - -
OAK 2005 4 12 0 .250 4th in AFC West - - - -
OAK Total 9 23 0 .281 - - -
SD 2007 11 5 0 .688 1st in AFC West 2 1 .666 Lost AFC Championship Game against New England Patriots
Total 69 87 1 .442 3 2 .600
phthalatemagic
Footballguy
Yeah, that's really bad. Has any other coach had a longer list of failure, but still get hired to a HC position?
Belichick was a retread. Coughlin was a retread. So was Dungy. So was Gruden. So was Vermeil. You want me to list every SB winning "retread"?
RUSF18
Footballguy
All of those guys had at least some success in their prior coaching jobs. The closest fit on your list is Belichick, and I'd say his 11-5 year with Cleveland is much more impressive than Turner's best year in Washington.
Jimmy James
Footballguy
Eh.Would they have more wins? Sure. Would they have the trophy? No.The mistake was hiring Norv. Everyone should know the book on Norv from this one simple thing in addition to his Washington/Oakland head coaching:Chan Gailey helps take Miami to the playoffs twice in two years with Lamar SmithNorv helps Miami miss the playoffs twice the next two years with Ricky Williams at the top of his game and over 2000 total yards by Ricky one of those years.I don't know who San Diego needs to bring in, but I think they'd be well advised to end Norv Turner's head coaching days at season's end. No need to cut him loose early.
timschochet
Footballguy
I don't like Turner, but-
1. No running game, can't win. No pressure on defense, can't win. Both of these elements are due more to injury than to anything Norv did.
2. You guys made the wrong QB choice when you let Brees go.
1. No running game, can't win. No pressure on defense, can't win. Both of these elements are due more to injury than to anything Norv did.
2. You guys made the wrong QB choice when you let Brees go.
Air Coryell
Footballguy
#1. O-line has been healthy(and essentially same unit as last yr), LT stated he's at 100% for the last few weeks, so I dont buy injury anymore. If Denver can put their 5th string RB out there and run for 100+ yds, why cant SD? If Merriman is the difference in the defense last year to this year then he is the Chargers MVP if not the league MVP. If the Giants can lose both DE, and still be a force on Defense why give the Chargers a free pass? Outside of that the defense is essentially unchanged.2. Hindsight 20/20 Drew struggled his first few seasons and they thought they needed to upgrade, once they drafted Rivers you were essentially stuck with that choice, the injury to Drew shoulder in week 17 of his last season in SD just made it easier. Team is underachieving, thats IMO is on the coach. Wait until they are officially out of it, and then fire Norv, and start the search for a HC.
Dragon1952
Footballguy
Norv Turner gets vote of confidence....
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2008/1...-of-confidence/
I lived in San Diego for over 20 yrs. so I know a little about the organization. The team ownership is as dumb as a rock when it comes to football, believe me.
Here's all you need to know.
# Owner - Alex Spanos
# President/CEO - Dean Spanos
# Executive Officer - A. G. Spanos
# Executive Vice President - Michael Spanos
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2008/1...-of-confidence/
I lived in San Diego for over 20 yrs. so I know a little about the organization. The team ownership is as dumb as a rock when it comes to football, believe me.
Here's all you need to know.
# Owner - Alex Spanos
# President/CEO - Dean Spanos
# Executive Officer - A. G. Spanos
# Executive Vice President - Michael Spanos
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Bills_Fan11
Footballguy
But Norv won a playoff game!
I guess Football Outsiders was right that the effect of the bad coach shows up in Year #2.
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
FUBAR
Footballguy
HTF was Gruden a retread?
Vermiel was 54-47 with an NFC ChampionshipDungy was 54-42 Coughlin was 68-60Norv, with two teams prior to SD, was 58-82FantasyTrader
Footballguy
fatness
Footballguy
Every year Norv Turner coaches a team, fans of that team end up saying this.
Archie Bunker
Footballguy
The OL is the same but they really, really suck at run blocking. Is it the players or the coaching or the play calling? I don't know, but I've never seen a RB get hit so much in the backfield as LT this year. And I'm still at a loss as to why they would cut argubly one of the top blocking FBs of all-time.
Man who'd fire the Yorks
Footballguy
IMO Mike Nolan should have never been a head coach. They finally wised up and fired him but Singletary is no head coach either. Norv Turner fits into this category. He is not a head coach. His previous record had proved that. The Chargers would be wise to fire him also. Don't know what's available out there but I think the Chargers deserve better than what they have now.
I have long been an LT fan and when I see him now it just looks like he's losing his passion for the game. The talent they have have they should have already been to a superbowl and that hasn't happened. LT is losing his drive and desire to try and get this team a superbowl title and I think that's directly connected to the coaching staff LT's had. It's a shame as LT has been one of the best rb's ever to play the game but stats mean nothing to him. You can see it in his eyes.He wants a SB ring. Time is running out on LT to achieve his dream. Bringing back Scottenheimer's not the answer either. Wonder who LT would like to have as a head coach?
I have long been an LT fan and when I see him now it just looks like he's losing his passion for the game. The talent they have have they should have already been to a superbowl and that hasn't happened. LT is losing his drive and desire to try and get this team a superbowl title and I think that's directly connected to the coaching staff LT's had. It's a shame as LT has been one of the best rb's ever to play the game but stats mean nothing to him. You can see it in his eyes.He wants a SB ring. Time is running out on LT to achieve his dream. Bringing back Scottenheimer's not the answer either. Wonder who LT would like to have as a head coach?
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T Bell
Footballguy
No other coach with Norv's track record or anything like it gets cut as much slack as he does for "close losses".
TankRizzo
Footballguy
This is Norv Turner, it's what he does, it's what he's good at. It's like getting mad at a fish for swimming.No other coach with Norv's track record or anything like it gets cut as much slack as he does for "close losses".
I really wish the Spanos' would sell the team to a more engaged ownership group (Steve Young and Dwight Clark spring to mind) even if it means moving the team to L.A.
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