Do you agree with Eagles' decision making Vick the starter? (1 Viewer)

[Jason Wood]

In the context of this week? I guess it makes sense. But I can't possibly look at this decision in a vacuum and have to also factor in the fact we decided to trade McNabb, to a division foe, for a 2nd rounder AND passed up on multiple high picks (per DH's contacts) for Kolb this offseason in order to hand the job to Kolb. Would we have still traded McNabb with the idea of Vick being our starter on a one-year deal?

I hear you Jason.

But I'd ask this - don't you have to look at this in a vacuum? At least for how you got to Kolb? Whether he was the high draft pick or a lowly free agent add, the reality is still the same that you know what you know about Kolb and Vick's on field performance and given that, you have to make a call.

Don't you have to take the emotion out of it?

J

Of course not. Being a sports fan REQUIRES emotional involvement.

 

[B. Nugget]

For me, it the way the Eagles/Reid have handled the whole thing.

You don't spend all off-season setting a guy up to fail with expectations and praise that was heaped onto him only to pull him out after 2 quarters as your starting QB. To come out and say "maybe I'm not speaking English....Kolb is our starter", etc... is just dumb if you don't really think that in your heart.

I could honestly care less who the QB is in Philly, but I have followed Kolb since I acquired him in a dynasty a few years ago and just disagree with the way it went down. Now, you've alienated your "franchise QB" and the back-up is now the savior in a town where they boo Santa Claus.

 

[geoff8695]

For me, it the way the Eagles/Reid have handled the whole thing.You don't spend all off-season setting a guy up to fail with expectations and praise that was heaped onto him only to pull him out after 2 quarters as your starting QB. To come out and say "maybe I'm not speaking English....Kolb is our starter", etc... is just dumb if you don't really think that in your heart.I could honestly care less who the QB is in Philly, but I have followed Kolb since I acquired him in a dynasty a few years ago and just disagree with the way it went down. Now, you've alienated your "franchise QB" and the back-up is now the savior in a town where they boo Santa Claus.

That's why I don't believe it was Andy's decision to start Vick.

 

[Joe Bryant]

In the context of this week? I guess it makes sense. But I can't possibly look at this decision in a vacuum and have to also factor in the fact we decided to trade McNabb, to a division foe, for a 2nd rounder AND passed up on multiple high picks (per DH's contacts) for Kolb this offseason in order to hand the job to Kolb. Would we have still traded McNabb with the idea of Vick being our starter on a one-year deal?

I hear you Jason.

But I'd ask this - don't you have to look at this in a vacuum? At least for how you got to Kolb? Whether he was the high draft pick or a lowly free agent add, the reality is still the same that you know what you know about Kolb and Vick's on field performance and given that, you have to make a call.

Don't you have to take the emotion out of it?

J

Of course not. Being a sports fan REQUIRES emotional involvement.

If you were in charge of running the Eagles, would you take the emotional investment out of it?

If you would, what would be your decision?

J

 

[jurb26]

The Eagles should undoubtedly start Vick at this point. The guy has played phenomenally and looks better than he ever has as a QB. Most importantly, he clearly gives Philly the best chance of winning on game day. Take out the emotion. Vick is the correct option at QB right now.

 

[siffoin]

I wonder if a significant portion of the decision came from Reid reading his locker room.

From my perspective...players LOVE playing with Vick.

Reid certainly doesn't want a player revolt...and a locker room divided against him.

 

[FUBAR]

I absolutely agree but why would I "love it"?

You'd love it if you got him off of waivers.

In that regard I do. Got him for $0.25 in a salary cap auction, 2 QB league before the season. Meanwhile, Kolb is on a rival's team within the division and eating up $35.75.

 

[Manster]

i voted pretty much disagree. not a mike vick fan, never have been.

he'll make some things happen and the eagles will come up short in the end.

i just dont think vick is ever going to be a good enough passer. he is what he is.

 

[LHUCKS]

i just dont think vick is ever going to be a good enough passer. he is what he is.

Several expert analysts, such as Tony Dungy, Mike Mayock etc. etc. , have said Vick appears to be NOTABLY better than he was before his troubles. So I guess what I'm saying is that the experts disagree with you.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

You play to win the games - Herm

 

[LHUCKS]

What I think is interesting is the lack of objectivity from the haters...they don't want to see that Vick may be better than he was before, or that he could be the franchise's answer at QB.

The human emotion side of this debate is more interesting to me than the debate itself.

People want to hate Vick and they want to see him fail...it makes them feel better....very interesting. I think it also lends credence to the notion that people don't like surprises, they are bothered by the unexpected. A lof of human thought and emotion tendencies playing out here. I find it fascinating...psychology majors should honestly use this entire episode as a case study.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

I know we have lots of talk on this but wanted to make this a Wednesday Morning Quarterback type poll and get the opinion of the Shark Pool forum.Real simple: Do you agree with the Eagles' decision to name Vick the starter?Assume a couple of things:#1. Assume Kolb is healthy and completely over the concussion.#2. Assume there is nothing going on behind the scenes we don't know about. No looming trouble for Kolb or anything weird.#3. Assume you have the best interests of the Eagles at heart.I may call this thread out in Random Shots tonight so we'll have lots looking. Let's hear it.J

I would also be intrested in a poll were kolb/vick owners were not counted.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

FWIW, Jeff McClane from the Philadelphia Enquirer was on SIRIUS NFL radio this morning and said something that I found surprising.He said this decision closes the chapter on Kevin Kolb in Philadelphia. Said he didn't expect to ever see Kolb in an Eagles uniform again. I don't know if this is just shock value for the papers or what but that sounded like a strong statement to me.J

Being from the area, alot of stuff you see in the paper is shock value considering how close the eagles organization keeps things. They have very very few leaks. Ill say this though, I think both Kolb & Reid are gone next season.

I've listened to the better part of two pressers this week and it's almost like an SNL skit. Did you really just ask him that?

 

[Jason Wood]

In the context of this week? I guess it makes sense. But I can't possibly look at this decision in a vacuum and have to also factor in the fact we decided to trade McNabb, to a division foe, for a 2nd rounder AND passed up on multiple high picks (per DH's contacts) for Kolb this offseason in order to hand the job to Kolb. Would we have still traded McNabb with the idea of Vick being our starter on a one-year deal?

I hear you Jason.

But I'd ask this - don't you have to look at this in a vacuum? At least for how you got to Kolb? Whether he was the high draft pick or a lowly free agent add, the reality is still the same that you know what you know about Kolb and Vick's on field performance and given that, you have to make a call.

Don't you have to take the emotion out of it?

J

Of course not. Being a sports fan REQUIRES emotional involvement.

If you were in charge of running the Eagles, would you take the emotional investment out of it?

If you would, what would be your decision?

J

That's a tough question. I know they supposedly don't let emotions get in the way, but they're not automatons either. That said, yes, I think I would have to live in the now as it were. My decision (and I've been very consistent here) would have been to extend Donovan and trade Kolb for the trove we were offered for him before he was a guy who lost his job to Mike Vick. Now? If I were Andy I would trade him to wherever I plan on coaching next year.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

66% agree. Now do this again and ask if they own Vick in a league.

 

[dhockster]

Two things about Michael Vick playing that we did not anticipate before the season:

1) I think most people figured coming into this season that if Michael Vick had to play because Kolb got hurt, that he would play at a level comparable to

what he did in Atlanta, or maybe even a little worse (especially based on his preseason play). Up to this point he has played much better than that. As others have pointed out, we now are in a situation where we need to find out if Vick is better than he used to be, because if he is then he will be at a very high level. He may still be the same old Vick and will fall apart when he faces a good defense, but we at least need to find that out.

2) Mike Vick was on a great running team when he was in Atlanta. Now after two games we see McCoy looking very good. Could it be that a dynamic running presence like Vick forces the defense to key on him wherever he goes which opens things up for the traditional running game? I could easily see McCoy doing better with Vick as QB than with Kolb as QB. McCoy being an effective runner, in turn, opens up the whole offense.

Based on those two facts, I pretty much agree with the decision to start Vick.

 

[crewmember]

Absolutely agree. Not only as a decision for this week but I think it is a good move for the future of the team. If you bench Vick and start Kolb and this kid doesn't have what it takes then you have screwed yourself for not only this year, but the next couple of years also. Every week is important in the NFL so going with Vick gives the Eagles the best chance of making something happen this year obviously. If Vick plays great you have your QB for the next few years, if Vick falters you can put Kolb back in this year and get him that experience everyone is looking for him to get. It really is a no brainer to me, quarterbacks do not grow on trees so give yourself two chances to strike gold, especially when one as Reid said is, "Playing out of his mind." I was quite upset on Monday that they named Kolb the starter, I am glad to see Reid came to his senses.

 

[Jeremy]

I'm confused by it. If the goal was to "win now" then they should have kept McNabb. If you believed enough in Kolb to trade McNabb (to a division rival no less), how do you abandon him after 1/2 of football in which you jerked him in and out of the lineup?

They had this kid for 3 years (and 4 offseasons). They know what he is by now. The message they sent when they let McNabb go was "we believe in this kid...BIG TIME!". Then Vick lights it up against a Packers D that wasn't expecting him to be the QB; and then against the Lions, a terrible pass defense. Suddenly all the plans for Kolb are out the window? They can't pay both of these guys who are free agents after this year. By committing to Vick, they're basically saying goodbye to Kolb, no?

But I'm just a fan and not even a fan of that team, so I can't sit here and say I know more than the guys who run the team and see these guys every day in practice. On the surface they appear extremely fickle, but I'm sure there's more to it than meets the eye. So I'll go with "on the fence".

 

[LHUCKS]

I'm confused by it. If the goal was to "win now" then they should have kept McNabb.

Right now, I personally think Vick >> McNabb

 

[Joe Bryant]

In the context of this week? I guess it makes sense. But I can't possibly look at this decision in a vacuum and have to also factor in the fact we decided to trade McNabb, to a division foe, for a 2nd rounder AND passed up on multiple high picks (per DH's contacts) for Kolb this offseason in order to hand the job to Kolb. Would we have still traded McNabb with the idea of Vick being our starter on a one-year deal?

I hear you Jason.

But I'd ask this - don't you have to look at this in a vacuum? At least for how you got to Kolb? Whether he was the high draft pick or a lowly free agent add, the reality is still the same that you know what you know about Kolb and Vick's on field performance and given that, you have to make a call.

Don't you have to take the emotion out of it?

J

Of course not. Being a sports fan REQUIRES emotional involvement.

If you were in charge of running the Eagles, would you take the emotional investment out of it?

If you would, what would be your decision?

J

That's a tough question. I know they supposedly don't let emotions get in the way, but they're not automatons either. That said, yes, I think I would have to live in the now as it were. My decision (and I've been very consistent here) would have been to extend Donovan and trade Kolb for the trove we were offered for him before he was a guy who lost his job to Mike Vick. Now? If I were Andy I would trade him to wherever I plan on coaching next year.

I'd trade Kolb too. Not sure if you're kidding but I would.

On the "next year for Reid" thing. You putting any stock into the talk of Reid + Kolb to Cleveland?

J

 

[Deranged Hermit]

I'm confused by it. If the goal was to "win now" then they should have kept McNabb.

Right now, I personally think Vick >> McNabb

The hook is baited......

 

[eoMMan]

I'm confused by it. If the goal was to "win now" then they should have kept McNabb.

Right now, I personally think Vick >> McNabb

The hook is baited......

You might be surprised, but quite a few people probably agree with LHUCKS on that one.

 

[LHUCKS]

I'm confused by it. If the goal was to "win now" then they should have kept McNabb.

Right now, I personally think Vick >> McNabb

The hook is baited......

You might be surprised, but quite a few people probably agree with LHUCKS on that one.

Based on the last two games, it's not difficult to argue most QBs in the NFL aren't as good as Vick.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

I'm confused by it. If the goal was to "win now" then they should have kept McNabb.

Right now, I personally think Vick >> McNabb

The hook is baited......

You might be surprised, but quite a few people probably agree with LHUCKS on that one.

Based on the last two games, it's not difficult to argue most QBs in the NFL aren't as good as Vick.

*edit* You know what, never mind. I'm not getting baited in.

 

[zadok]

They can't pay both of these guys who are free agents after this year. By committing to Vick, they're basically saying goodbye to Kolb, no?

Kolb is signed through 2011.

 

[phillyphan07]

voted pretty much disagree because I don't think Vick is the long term solution...

after watching Reid for the last 10+ years I think something HAD to happen that we don't know about... locker room split, kolb has the yips after that hit.. something...

 

[Jason Wood]

I'd trade Kolb too. Not sure if you're kidding but I would.On the "next year for Reid" thing. You putting any stock into the talk of Reid + Kolb to Cleveland?J

Hey Joe,I don't put a lot of stock in it, but I do get the sense that Andy can/will leave after this year if things don't fall just right. Not because he'll be fired, but because he'll agree to move on to another challenge. Cleveland with Holmgren would be on the short list there, as would a place like San Francisco, which I think is likely to have a vacancy.

I'm confused by it. If the goal was to "win now" then they should have kept McNabb.

Right now, I personally think Vick >> McNabb

The hook is baited......

You might be surprised, but quite a few people probably agree with LHUCKS on that one.

ESPN ran a poll yesterday about the best QB in the NFC East. Just to show how you should NEVER listen to the masses, it ranked like this:1) McNabb2) Vick3) Eli4) Romo

 

[loose circuits]

Sure seems like Andy Reid's decision was brilliant

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Sure seems like Andy Reid's decision was brilliant

Yup, he made the right call twice now.Trading McNabbStarting Vick

 

[Power Monster]

Looking like a smart move for the Eagles. Vick is giving this team the best chance to win the division!

 

[tangfoot]

Looking like a smart move for the Eagles. Vick is giving this team the best chance to win the division!

This is the key. I think Reid sensed that the division is completely up for grabs this season and Dallas is not world beaters that some had made them out to be. Couple that with the Giants and 'Skins struggles and the Eagles are in a perfect position to take the reins.

 

[Jason Wood]

Let's see how Vick does against some real NFL opponents before we get TOO excited. He completed less than 55% of his passes against what may be the worst defense in the NFL. AND the Jags got pressure in spite of being one of the least effective rush units, too.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Let's see how Vick does against some real NFL opponents before we get TOO excited. He completed less than 55% of his passes against what may be the worst defense in the NFL. AND the Jags got pressure in spite of being one of the least effective rush units, too.

What's the local feel for the Eagles this morning, Woodrow?I'm going to guess it's 2nd coming of Elway and now we FINALLY have an exciting QB ready to win one for Jerome.J

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Let's see how Vick does against some real NFL opponents before we get TOO excited. He completed less than 55% of his passes against what may be the worst defense in the NFL. AND the Jags got pressure in spite of being one of the least effective rush units, too.

thats cuz their oline is terrible. Vick paying because of his mobility but I know he is taking alot of hits

 

[LHUCKS]

Let's see how Vick does against some real NFL opponents before we get TOO excited. He completed less than 55% of his passes against what may be the worst defense in the NFL. AND the Jags got pressure in spite of being one of the least effective rush units, too.

wow...you're really going to cling to a meaningless 55% completion percentage stat...cmon Wood.Vick makes plays and opens up the offense because of his playmaking ability, not to mention he's the perfect compliment to the Eagles questionable offensive line.Schefter said it this morning "HE's THE NFL MVP OF SEPTEMBER"Why do people want to hate Vick? I don't get it.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Let's see how Vick does against some real NFL opponents before we get TOO excited. He completed less than 55% of his passes against what may be the worst defense in the NFL. AND the Jags got pressure in spite of being one of the least effective rush units, too.

wow...you're really going to cling to a meaningless 55% completion percentage stat...cmon Wood.Vick makes plays and opens up the offense because of his playmaking ability, not to mention he's the perfect compliment to the Eagles questionable offensive line.Schefter said it this morning "HE's THE NFL MVP OF SEPTEMBER"Why do people want to hate Vick? I don't get it.

because puppies r cute.The guy has been a god send.

 

[Insein]

Let's see how Vick does against some real NFL opponents before we get TOO excited. He completed less than 55% of his passes against what may be the worst defense in the NFL. AND the Jags got pressure in spite of being one of the least effective rush units, too.

Agreed. He looked pretty good yesterday but Jax might be competing for the top draft pick next year. If he continues to beat better opponents then I will change my position. BTW, our Oline is awful. If Andy would have just come out and said "Our oline is terrible. I got to do a better job of drafting them" I would have bought that decision more.

 

[jurb26]

Why do people want to hate Vick? I don't get it.

Well, this seems pretty obvious....Why people can't separate that and talk objectively about how he plays on the field is what I don't get.

 

[Happy Ragnarok]

I don't admire the Eagles for making this decision.

But I do agree with the premise that he gives them the best chance to win, as well as the premise that having him as a starter makes the Eagles a far more monetarily valuable commodity. His story and name recognition is going to get them a whole lot more free media attention and airtime moving forward than Kolb's would, if they were equally successful. Just taking google searches into account, Vick generates like 10x as much interest on a month-to-month basis than Kolb...on par with Brady and Favre.

 

[eoMMan]

Why do people want to hate Vick? I don't get it.

Well, this seems pretty obvious....Why people can't separate that and talk objectively about how he plays on the field is what I don't get.

 

[Jason Wood]

Let's see how Vick does against some real NFL opponents before we get TOO excited. He completed less than 55% of his passes against what may be the worst defense in the NFL. AND the Jags got pressure in spite of being one of the least effective rush units, too.

What's the local feel for the Eagles this morning, Woodrow?I'm going to guess it's 2nd coming of Elway and now we FINALLY have an exciting QB ready to win one for Jerome.J

You got it my friend.My buddies (ever the barometer) went from #####ing about the idea to saying they think Vick will have us set up for a nice playoff run given the state of the NFC.

 

[eoMMan]

Let's see how Vick does against some real NFL opponents before we get TOO excited. He completed less than 55% of his passes against what may be the worst defense in the NFL. AND the Jags got pressure in spite of being one of the least effective rush units, too.

Agreed. He looked pretty good yesterday but Jax might be competing for the top draft pick next year. If he continues to beat better opponents then I will change my position. BTW, our Oline is awful. If Andy would have just come out and said "Our oline is terrible. I got to do a better job of drafting them" I would have bought that decision more.

I feel like anything Vick does won't be good enough for some of you guys. He plays good against Green Bay....."Oh, they didn't game play for him." He plays good against Detroit....."Oh, they suck."He plays good against Jacksonville....."Oh, they suck."Can't you just admit that Vick is better than Kolb at this point and a better choice for starting QB for the Eagles?

 

[Jason Wood]

Let's see how Vick does against some real NFL opponents before we get TOO excited. He completed less than 55% of his passes against what may be the worst defense in the NFL. AND the Jags got pressure in spite of being one of the least effective rush units, too.

Agreed. He looked pretty good yesterday but Jax might be competing for the top draft pick next year. If he continues to beat better opponents then I will change my position. BTW, our Oline is awful. If Andy would have just come out and said "Our oline is terrible. I got to do a better job of drafting them" I would have bought that decision more.

I feel like anything Vick does won't be good enough for some of you guys. He plays good against Green Bay....."Oh, they didn't game play for him." He plays good against Detroit....."Oh, they suck."He plays good against Jacksonville....."Oh, they suck."Can't you just admit that Vick is better than Kolb at this point and a better choice for starting QB for the Eagles?

Let's not lump everyone together. I've never once said Kolb was better than Vick, which is why I was against the McNabb trade in the first place. But that said, I'm also a realistic fan and SO FAR I haven't seen anything to suggest Vick is "better than ever" which the pundits announcing the game acted as though he has somehow morphed into the second coming of Steve Young. A few well played games against better teams and I'll start feeling better about things.Pardon me for not wanting to overreact to the situation.

 

[dhockster]

Let's see how Vick does against some real NFL opponents before we get TOO excited. He completed less than 55% of his passes against what may be the worst defense in the NFL. AND the Jags got pressure in spite of being one of the least effective rush units, too.

Agreed. He looked pretty good yesterday but Jax might be competing for the top draft pick next year. If he continues to beat better opponents then I will change my position. BTW, our Oline is awful. If Andy would have just come out and said "Our oline is terrible. I got to do a better job of drafting them" I would have bought that decision more.

I feel like anything Vick does won't be good enough for some of you guys. He plays good against Green Bay....."Oh, they didn't game play for him." He plays good against Detroit....."Oh, they suck."He plays good against Jacksonville....."Oh, they suck."Can't you just admit that Vick is better than Kolb at this point and a better choice for starting QB for the Eagles?

Let's not lump everyone together. I've never once said Kolb was better than Vick, which is why I was against the McNabb trade in the first place. But that said, I'm also a realistic fan and SO FAR I haven't seen anything to suggest Vick is "better than ever" which the pundits announcing the game acted as though he has somehow morphed into the second coming of Steve Young. A few well played games against better teams and I'll start feeling better about things.Pardon me for not wanting to overreact to the situation.

I, for one, am not asking you to overreact. However, as a realistic fan myself, I am asking you to consider several things about Vick:-Looking at his career game log with Atlanta, he had only had a QB rating of over 100.0 two games in a row twice in his career. He never had a streakof three games in a row over 100.0. In the 3 games he has played this year, he has had a QB rating over 100.0 in all 3 games.-His TD/Int ratio for his career is a respectable 75/52. This year, in 3 games his ratio is 6/0.-He got to spend a whole year on the sidelines, basically watching and studying. Even if he has not put in more film study than he used to (which I think he probably has) he has benefited from watching two hard working QB's (McNabb and Kolb) and hopefully learned from them how they prepare for games.I will not be surprised if Vick reverts to some of his old tendencies when the Eagles play good defenses, but I am not waiting for it to happen. I am excited about the possibilities that Vick gives the Eagles, and excited to watch a very dynamic player.C'mon JWood. Enjoy what Vick can do. Stop waiting for the sky to fall. There is a difference between realism and pessimism.

 

[Jason Wood]

Let's see how Vick does against some real NFL opponents before we get TOO excited. He completed less than 55% of his passes against what may be the worst defense in the NFL. AND the Jags got pressure in spite of being one of the least effective rush units, too.

Agreed. He looked pretty good yesterday but Jax might be competing for the top draft pick next year. If he continues to beat better opponents then I will change my position.

BTW, our Oline is awful. If Andy would have just come out and said "Our oline is terrible. I got to do a better job of drafting them" I would have bought that decision more.

I feel like anything Vick does won't be good enough for some of you guys. He plays good against Green Bay....."Oh, they didn't game play for him."

He plays good against Detroit....."Oh, they suck."

He plays good against Jacksonville....."Oh, they suck."

Can't you just admit that Vick is better than Kolb at this point and a better choice for starting QB for the Eagles?

Let's not lump everyone together. I've never once said Kolb was better than Vick, which is why I was against the McNabb trade in the first place. But that said, I'm also a realistic fan and SO FAR I haven't seen anything to suggest Vick is "better than ever" which the pundits announcing the game acted as though he has somehow morphed into the second coming of Steve Young. A few well played games against better teams and I'll start feeling better about things.Pardon me for not wanting to overreact to the situation.

I, for one, am not asking you to overreact. However, as a realistic fan myself, I am asking you to consider several things about Vick:-Looking at his career game log with Atlanta, he had only had a QB rating of over 100.0 two games in a row twice in his career. He never had a streak

of three games in a row over 100.0. In the 3 games he has played this year, he has had a QB rating over 100.0 in all 3 games.

-His TD/Int ratio for his career is a respectable 75/52. This year, in 3 games his ratio is 6/0.

-He got to spend a whole year on the sidelines, basically watching and studying. Even if he has not put in more film study than he used to (which

I think he probably has) he has benefited from watching two hard working QB's (McNabb and Kolb) and hopefully learned from them how they prepare

for games.

I will not be surprised if Vick reverts to some of his old tendencies when the Eagles play good defenses, but I am not waiting for it to happen. I am excited about the possibilities that Vick gives the Eagles, and excited to watch a very dynamic player.

C'mon JWood. Enjoy what Vick can do. Stop waiting for the sky to fall. There is a difference between realism and pessimism.

I agree, and I'm being pragmatic. Just as I wouldn't have overreacted to an 0-2 start if I were a Dallas fan, I'm not going to let 3 games -- two of which were against awful opponents -- change my baseline view on things. We have major questions on the offensive line, and our defense has to be able to stop good offenses. Like I said, a few games against better competition and we'll all know more about this team. I hope it's for the better, as I'm sure you do too.

 

[jurb26]

Like I said, a few games against better competition and we'll all know more about this team. I hope it's for the better, as I'm sure you do too.

We're not talking about the team. We're talking about Vick and how he's played. Vick has played All Pro, best of his life football thus far in the 3 games he's had. A simple recognition to this would be sufficient. It makes sense to temper the enthusiasm but you are coming across as unreasonable when it comes to giving him any credit at all. The guy has accounted for 920 yds of offense and 7 TDs with no turnovers in 2.75 games. That is All Pro production. Of course he isn't likely to continue to put up ridiculous numbers like that over the course of the entire season. That would be 4900 yds, 37 TDs and 0 turnovers for a full season. It seems like you are just continually playing the let's wait and see card knowing that eventually he is bound to have a down game.

 

[Otis]

If I were an Eagles fan I would have been so psyched about this move, and after this weekend I would be absolutely elated.

 

[Jason Wood]

Like I said, a few games against better competition and we'll all know more about this team. I hope it's for the better, as I'm sure you do too.

We're not talking about the team. We're talking about Vick and how he's played. Vick has played All Pro, best of his life football thus far in the 3 games he's had. A simple recognition to this would be sufficient. It makes sense to temper the enthusiasm but you are coming across as unreasonable when it comes to giving him any credit at all. The guy has accounted for 920 yds of offense and 7 TDs with no turnovers in 2.75 games. That is All Pro production. Of course he isn't likely to continue to put up ridiculous numbers like that over the course of the entire season. That would be 4900 yds, 37 TDs and 0 turnovers for a full season. It seems like you are just continually playing the let's wait and see card knowing that eventually he is bound to have a down game.

Again, he's played 2.5 games. Just as I wasn't going to anoint Kevin Kolb a star in the making after two starts last year (something that proved the appropriate way to look at things by the way even though most were more than willing to project them as relevant into 2010), I'm not ready to say the Eagles made the right decision in trading McNabb and then benching Kolb yet. I'm a season ticket holder, and I think I have 10 years on this board of being a far more calm and reserved Eagles fan than is typically thought of. I don't overreact if I can help it (like any fan that's hard sometimes). So far, so good? Sure. But I need to see it against teams I feel are legitimate opponents before I let the giddiness creep in.

 

[BoerumHill]

If I were an Eagles fan I would have been so psyched about this move, and after this weekend I would be absolutely elated.

Seriously WTF? If Eagles fans can't take joy in what has been happening the last three weeks, that is pretty sad. I wonder why you are even a sports fan if you can't enjoy this ride.

 

[John Windle]

Like I said, a few games against better competition and we'll all know more about this team. I hope it's for the better, as I'm sure you do too.

We're not talking about the team. We're talking about Vick and how he's played. Vick has played All Pro, best of his life football thus far in the 3 games he's had. A simple recognition to this would be sufficient. It makes sense to temper the enthusiasm but you are coming across as unreasonable when it comes to giving him any credit at all. The guy has accounted for 920 yds of offense and 7 TDs with no turnovers in 2.75 games. That is All Pro production. Of course he isn't likely to continue to put up ridiculous numbers like that over the course of the entire season. That would be 4900 yds, 37 TDs and 0 turnovers for a full season. It seems like you are just continually playing the let's wait and see card knowing that eventually he is bound to have a down game.

Again, he's played 2.5 games. Just as I wasn't going to anoint Kevin Kolb a star in the making after two starts last year (something that proved the appropriate way to look at things by the way even though most were more than willing to project them as relevant into 2010), I'm not ready to say the Eagles made the right decision in trading McNabb and then benching Kolb yet. I'm a season ticket holder, and I think I have 10 years on this board of being a far more calm and reserved Eagles fan than is typically thought of. I don't overreact if I can help it (like any fan that's hard sometimes). So far, so good? Sure. But I need to see it against teams I feel are legitimate opponents before I let the giddiness creep in.

He's not a rookie. It's been 2.5 games for the Eagles. He's a three time pro-bowler who won on the road in the playoffs in Lambeau.This is the best he's ever looked and he's looked good before. Don't act like his resume is the same as Kolb.