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Do you find it hard to reconcile this discrepancy? (1 Viewer)
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LHUCKS
Footballguy
Kurt Warner/Leinart combo
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
No. I doubt he is the starter all season.
Come on, dude. The poll question can't be about the Pac 10.
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cobalt_27
Footballguy
So, extrapolate this out a bit, and I think you'll find there is no discrepancy.
joffer
Footballguy
this is how low you've gone
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Oh sorry...I honestly was wondering what happened to the first thread. I'll take that out...was more schtick than anything else...I didn't even realize people read those.
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LHUCKS
Footballguy
So is it your contention that '07 Warner is vastly better than '08 Leinart?Not being a smartass...just trying to understand the ranking.
Buckeyedawgs
Footballguy
No way will cards finnish top ten with Leinart at QB!
And the old poll should read will Ohio State manhandle USC! The answer is definatly YES! USC is not even near OSU in talent. You west coast Pac 10 fans gonna be in for a shock!
And the old poll should read will Ohio State manhandle USC! The answer is definatly YES! USC is not even near OSU in talent. You west coast Pac 10 fans gonna be in for a shock!
Ozymandias
Footballguy
So, what are the chances that Leinart starts the season: 82%.
What are the chances that if he starts, he is replaced: 32%
.82 x .68= .5576
Arizona passing yards 2007 = 4065
4065 x .5576 = 2266
2266 Yards passing ranked #20 in 2007.
Q.E.D.
What are the chances that if he starts, he is replaced: 32%
.82 x .68= .5576
Arizona passing yards 2007 = 4065
4065 x .5576 = 2266
2266 Yards passing ranked #20 in 2007.
Q.E.D.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Leinart was 60/122 for 647 and 2/4.
Warner was 281/451 for 3417 and 27/17.
To say that a Warner/Leinart combination finished top seven is laughable.
It's like saying a Bill Gates/Andy Dufresne combination puts them into a top 2 ranking of world's richest.
Warner was 281/451 for 3417 and 27/17.
To say that a Warner/Leinart combination finished top seven is laughable.
It's like saying a Bill Gates/Andy Dufresne combination puts them into a top 2 ranking of world's richest.
Ozymandias
Footballguy
Why not? After all, you do average $25 billion in assets.And you're number #2, because Warren Buffett and I are #1.
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JoeSteeler
Footballguy
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Did I kill this thread?
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
Leinart is no Paul Crewe. I think he's soft.
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bostonfred
Footballguy
The problem with taking Leinart is you have to take Warner if you really want the Arizona QB. But you won't know if you can get Warner once you have Leinart, because Warner has value to people on his own. So you can't take Leinart as your QB1, unless you really like some other QB2 who will be drafted after him. But once you have a decent QB1, you're really not going to want to take three quarterbacks unless you have deep rosters. I like the value of the combo, but I have a hard time figuring out how to draft them.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Tau837
Footballguy
HellToupee
Footballguy
why was this in lockdown besides being lame
bostonfred
Footballguy
Does anyone remember which QB was rated about the same in preseason rankings back when Plaxico and Hines Ward were both considered top ten fantasy receivers?
Traders2001
Footballguy
Leinart is worthless and wont even be the starter , that answers your question.
joffer
Footballguy
LHUCKS
Footballguy
I'm shocked at how much people actually believe Warner could steal games from Leinart.only works on deep rosters when you can carry 3 QBs
Tau837
Footballguy
I'm shocked at how good you seem to think Leinart is.I'm shocked at how much people actually believe Warner could steal games from Leinart.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Come on, worthless? Leinart is going to start this season unless he gets hurt prior to it.
GibbyGarcia
Footballguy
Shocked? As one that was burned last year thinking the Leinart might make the jump to a productive starter, I've learned my lesson. The reality is that Leinart played poorly last year and then was injured, then Warner came in and lit it up the second half of the season (FF-wise). I've got Leinart at about 23, recognizing that if he starts he certainly has value and the possibility to be very good value. The specter of Warner and the lack of real stats to back up the expectation keeps him from moving higher.I'm shocked at how much people actually believe Warner could steal games from Leinart.
joffer
Footballguy
no you're notI'm shocked at how much people actually believe Warner could steal games from Leinart.
I was very high on Leinart coming out of USC, and wanted the Saints to draft him in the early days of the offseason before Brees signed. I have seen a fair bit of him and for the most part, he has looked terrible. It just seems his decision making isn't quick enough for the NFL game. He looks confused out there and opposing Ds seem to get in his head very easily. I think this will be his last season as a starting QB.
Sorry for a serious response.
Sorry for a serious response.
I think it's a bit early to write off Lienart. Warner is an experienced QB, it's not surprising he played better than Leinart. Leinart has admitted that last year he was very confused with the offense. I think you have to give him this year, if he's still confused and playing so badly after this year, then you write him off.
In fantasy they are both risky picks, Warner because he's fragile like glass. Lienart because we don't know if he's going to "get it" this year.
In fantasy they are both risky picks, Warner because he's fragile like glass. Lienart because we don't know if he's going to "get it" this year.
zoonation
Footballguy
Leinart proved last year that he isn't ready to be a quality starter in the NFL, despite world class receiving talent around him. Unless he has made some drastic change in the off-season, why would I expect him to be any better than he was last year (where he was basically terrible prior to getting yanked)
Warner is BY FAR the better passer and I predict he will once again be starting games at some point this year, or at least getting significant playing time.
Leinart was a good college quarterback who played in one of the elite programs...he is not a stud talent. Never was.
Warner is BY FAR the better passer and I predict he will once again be starting games at some point this year, or at least getting significant playing time.
Leinart was a good college quarterback who played in one of the elite programs...he is not a stud talent. Never was.
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
I think it has more to do with LHUCKS than it does Leinart. For me personally it's more comic relief, but some on this board take him way too seriously. He's been playing with so many Shark Poolers for many years now.
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BeaverCleaver
Footballguy
Again....why is LHUCKS allowed to act this way here? Who does he have pictures of?
It hurts to agree with LHucks, but I have to here. At some point, the kid has to play and the old man has to sit/retire. All signs point to this as the time.I understand the ranking, as every year there are a handful of players whos ranking simply makes no sense EXCEPT as an average ranking...generally players whose ceilings and floors are so disparate as to make virtually ANY attempt to rank them based on statistics useless.QB20 isn't about projections...it's about risk. It's about that sweet spot where the ceiling out-weighs the floor. Leinart is a PRIME example of how/where projection based rankings can (and sometimes do) fail.With that said...I believe Leinart will start every game (barring injury), and is far more likely to significantly out-perform his ADP then play at it or below.I'm shocked at how much people actually believe Warner could steal games from Leinart.only works on deep rosters when you can carry 3 QBs
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
If he wasn't a stud talent, how did he get to play QB for one of the elite programs?
moleculo
Footballguy
any reason to think anything else? 2007 Warner > 2007 Leinart - we know that for a fact. One would hope Leinart has gotten better, but we have no idea how much. The logical statement "2008 Leinart >= 2007 Warner" can be nothing more than a guess - a shot in the dark. In the absence of clear evidence one way or the other, I think it might be appropriate to project based on 2007 results, which does not bode well for the pro-Leinart camp.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
I don't know, ask Jason White.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Sounds a lot like the definition of a troll to me. Oh wait, that makes perfect sense here.
PizzaDeliveryGuy
extra sausage
I think Leinart will out play his ADP if he remains healthy. The weapons at his disposal are just silly, so I am not exactly basing this on his ability which I think LHUCKS is for the most part. I would put Leinart at 15-18 range whereas if Warner were the starter he would be in the 6-9 range.
If they traded for Troy Smith and made him the starter it would be 14-17.
If they traded for Troy Smith and made him the starter it would be 14-17.
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
It is too early to write him off completely. There are 2 above average wr's there, and that makes for a lot of potential passing yardage and passing td's. But qb's get injured often and the likelyhood of Leinart both performing well enough to keep a former pro bowl qb on the sidelines and staying healthy enough to be a top 12 or even top 20 qb are low, in my opinion.
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RenegadeGM
Footballguy
Yes, it is.
At least Jason has the excuse that he can hardly walk anymore.
Bob Henry
Footballguy
I doubt Leinart will be on a single team of mine this year. Warner, on the other hand, might be. If I'm going to dabble with the Cardinals QB this year, I'll take the chance and simply pass on Leinart and take Warner later at which point said Leinart-lover will be 
Why waste two roster spots when the gut feeling screams Warner? It's a gamble, but IMO if you want to waste another roster spot on a QB, do it with another one in the Leinart ADP range, then grab Warner later and you probably have a great value or a darn good trade option for you when/if Leinart goes to the sidelines (again).
Why waste two roster spots when the gut feeling screams Warner? It's a gamble, but IMO if you want to waste another roster spot on a QB, do it with another one in the Leinart ADP range, then grab Warner later and you probably have a great value or a darn good trade option for you when/if Leinart goes to the sidelines (again).
Short Corner
Footballguy
I'm shocked at how much people actually believe Warner could steal games from Leinart.
millertyme1
Footballguy
Owning Leinart is so difficult. So inconsistent this year, 0 Week 1, .75 Week 2, 0 Week 3. I'm hoping the with his trend, he scores some points for me this week. Really considering benching him for Bobby Thigpen at this point.
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