Do you have this owner in your league? (1 Viewer)

[rockalum]

Guy has Matt Hasselbeck and Carson Palmer as his QBs.

So I offer him Kyle Orton or Brett Favre for Chris Johnson. He e-mails me telling me how insulting this offer is, how CJIII is a top 10 RB, current/future stud. No problem I say. Shoot me a counteroffer.

A day or so passes and he picks up Ryan Fitzpatrick this morning. I see this and send him another offer of Orton for Tim Hightower. He counters with Hightower for Jay Cutler. LOL.

I am at my wit's end. I hate leagues like this, where trading is so hard to accomplish.

It's a keeper league, but you can only keep 2 (plus 1 rookie) of your 18-man roster each year.

 

[gbill2004]

I have a couple of guys like this in my league - they won't make a trade unless they can rip you off to the point where the trade is borderline vetoable.

 

[One]

I've found you've got to find a few guys who actually like to trade and keep a good dialogue with them throughout the year.

I think about 70% of my leagues are like this. Most guys are just afraid to make the wrong move or look bad in a trade.

Kind of a bummer, but it's the way it is.

 

[Billy Ball Thorton]

Guy has Matt Hasselbeck and Carson Palmer as his QBs. So I offer him Kyle Orton or Brett Favre for Chris Johnson. He e-mails me telling me how insulting this offer is, how CJIII is a top 10 RB, current/future stud. No problem I say. Shoot me a counteroffer.A day or so passes and he picks up Ryan Fitzpatrick this morning. I see this and send him another offer of Orton for Tim Hightower. He counters with Hightower for Jay Cutler. LOL. I am at my wit's end. I hate leagues like this, where trading is so hard to accomplish.It's a keeper league, but you can only keep 2 (plus 1 rookie) of your 18-man roster each year.

That is a pretty BAD offer. I was offered Sproles for Lynch because I need a bye week filler. I was nice about it but declined.

 

[M. Flak]

Well it's not as if you were offering him the best trades. If you held a draft today, Chris Johnson would be a 2nd round pick; in a keeper league, his value just increases. You're offering his Orton and Favre to cover a week or two of injuries. I would say he was more 'smart' than 'stubborn'.

 

[hellz_fireflies]

Been playing FF before Bill Gates invented windows.

Its better to play with strangers then friends and co-workers in FF for trading )and yes there will be a few odd ones involved).

 

[Jello_Biafra]

Guy has Matt Hasselbeck and Carson Palmer as his QBs. So I offer him Kyle Orton or Brett Favre for Chris Johnson. He e-mails me telling me how insulting this offer is, how CJIII is a top 10 RB, current/future stud. No problem I say. Shoot me a counteroffer.A day or so passes and he picks up Ryan Fitzpatrick this morning. I see this and send him another offer of Orton for Tim Hightower. He counters with Hightower for Jay Cutler. LOL. I am at my wit's end. I hate leagues like this, where trading is so hard to accomplish.It's a keeper league, but you can only keep 2 (plus 1 rookie) of your 18-man roster each year.

Not for nothing, but I think *you're* that owner.

 

[LionsFan78]

Guy has Matt Hasselbeck and Carson Palmer as his QBs. So I offer him Kyle Orton or Brett Favre for Chris Johnson. He e-mails me telling me how insulting this offer is, how CJIII is a top 10 RB, current/future stud. No problem I say. Shoot me a counteroffer.A day or so passes and he picks up Ryan Fitzpatrick this morning. I see this and send him another offer of Orton for Tim Hightower. He counters with Hightower for Jay Cutler. LOL. I am at my wit's end. I hate leagues like this, where trading is so hard to accomplish.It's a keeper league, but you can only keep 2 (plus 1 rookie) of your 18-man roster each year.

Fact of the matter is, it was a pretty lowball offer in a keeper format. That said, some people react harshly to offers like that, there's bound to be guys like that in every league. Some just laugh it off or use it as a starting ground for trade talk. I prefer to never let it get personal or insulting, but that's just me.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

I know a guy who is trying to sell his condo in Chicago. Its been on the market for 8 months with only a few lowball offers. He's really angry that no one will pay him what his condo is worth.

 

[King of the Wolfies]

Are you complaining that the other owner was too smart to fall for crappy offers?? Or are you complaining about owners that try to rip off other owners?

 

[Ice Cream Man]

I don't know what's so unreasonable about his offers, or his response to yours.

Is this a retention league? I could easily see Hightower take over next year and be a very valuable commodity -- far more than Cutler. Likewise with Chris Johnson.

Even if it's a redraft, CJIII looks a lot better than Orton, and Hightower is scoring a TD every game for a high powered offense. I could see the reluctancy to deal. Likewise it's perfectly reasonable for one to think Palmer/Fitz >> Orton.. Sure, he's a bit bullish on his players, but everyone is guilty of that to some extent.

The whole point of trading is to find players where you value them differently. Obviously you don't like Hightower much, and you love Orton. You just haven't found a good fit. No point insulting the guy. Would you want us to do that to you?

 

[blake]

Been playing FF before Bill Gates invented windows.Its better to play with strangers then friends and co-workers in FF for trading )and yes there will be a few odd ones involved).

really? i guess i've found that even if there's not more trading, friends/co-workers feel more accountability to at least reply back or maybe give a counter-offer with trades. but i tend to just gravitate towards the guys that aren't afraid to make a deal. after a while it's just a waste of time, sometimes, to try to make a deal with someone who will probably never make a trade.

 

[Black]

Guy has Matt Hasselbeck and Carson Palmer as his QBs. So I offer him Kyle Orton or Brett Favre for Chris Johnson. He e-mails me telling me how insulting this offer is, how CJIII is a top 10 RB, current/future stud. No problem I say. Shoot me a counteroffer.A day or so passes and he picks up Ryan Fitzpatrick this morning. I see this and send him another offer of Orton for Tim Hightower. He counters with Hightower for Jay Cutler. LOL. I am at my wit's end. I hate leagues like this, where trading is so hard to accomplish.It's a keeper league, but you can only keep 2 (plus 1 rookie) of your 18-man roster each year.

Those offers are offensive. Giving him a top 15 type QB for a valuable rookie is not a fair offer. CJ4.24 has much more value, esp for a keeper league. Hightower might too. I would have made that same counter for Cutler so maybe you'd get the hint to stop.

 

[Da Guru]

I love trading and making deals.

The major problem in most FF league is that owners "Over-value" their own players. They feel if they drafted them they must be good. In turn they want you to over-pay.

Last year a guy in my big league had S-Jax who was injured at the time and I must have offered him 10 deals to try to pry Jax away. I had extra RBs and he had none, the guy refuse every trade until he is hopelessy out of contention, he then panics and dumps Jax for squat to another team.

Then you have the other guys who draft the same players every year. One guy in my league has had Bulger for 4 years in a row.

 

[hellz_fireflies]

Been playing FF before Bill Gates invented windows.Its better to play with strangers then friends and co-workers in FF for trading )and yes there will be a few odd ones involved).

really? i guess i've found that even if there's not more trading, friends/co-workers feel more accountability to at least reply back or maybe give a counter-offer with trades. but i tend to just gravitate towards the guys that aren't afraid to make a deal. after a while it's just a waste of time, sometimes, to try to make a deal with someone who will probably never make a trade.

yep..thats what this is about here..we all have opinions without a fact for most FF players!

 

[rockalum]

I don't know what's so unreasonable about his offers, or his response to yours.

Is this a retention league? I could easily see Hightower take over next year and be a very valuable commodity -- far more than Cutler. Likewise with Chris Johnson.

Even if it's a redraft, CJIII looks a lot better than Orton, and Hightower is scoring a TD every game for a high powered offense. I could see the reluctancy to deal. Likewise it's perfectly reasonable for one to think Palmer/Fitz >> Orton.. Sure, he's a bit bullish on his players, but everyone is guilty of that to some extent.

The whole point of trading is to find players where you value them differently. Obviously you don't like Hightower much, and you love Orton. You just haven't found a good fit. No point insulting the guy. Would you want us to do that to you?

No on both of those. He has CJII. He can only keep 1 rookie. He'll keep him. He has Fitpatrick Hass and Palmer. He has serious problems at QB. I was just looking for a decent RB to plug in this week to fill in for Marshawn Lynch. I think Orton for Hightower is extremely fair. Hightower for Cutler is a joke. Cutler is No. 2 in the league in scoring.

 

[Knight who says Ni]

When offering a trade, owners need to be willing to absorb a net loss if it benefits their team - a lot of owners don't really think about that, and all they want is to 'win the trade.' A trade that improves your team is a win, especially if you are trading talent that you never use. In my opinion, this is the key to being successful at trading

 

[thaas]

I am in a league that NOBODY will trade, it really ticks me off, one guy has people on byes i offered him a decent trade he went with a guy short instead of trading. makes no sense to me, Just ticked me off i was not playing him that week!!!

 

[Abstract]

I offered a guy Addai and Vincent Jackson for Reggie Wayne and Kevin Smith and almost got cursed out!! To him, that was a very insulting offer. I thought he was getting the better deal, I was willing to do anything to get Wayne.

 

[-baller]

Guy has Matt Hasselbeck and Carson Palmer as his QBs. So I offer him Kyle Orton or Brett Favre for Chris Johnson. He e-mails me telling me how insulting this offer is, how CJIII is a top 10 RB, current/future stud. No problem I say. Shoot me a counteroffer.A day or so passes and he picks up Ryan Fitzpatrick this morning. I see this and send him another offer of Orton for Tim Hightower. He counters with Hightower for Jay Cutler. LOL. I am at my wit's end. I hate leagues like this, where trading is so hard to accomplish.It's a keeper league, but you can only keep 2 (plus 1 rookie) of your 18-man roster each year.

I have this one owner in my league who feels that every other player on the other rosters rightfully belongs to him and starts pms'ing when his incessant trade demands are declined and he's denied what's owed to him.completely obnoxious.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

People are just going to have to accept the fact that other owners can and will say "no" to your offers.

Look, I'm more guppy than shark, but exactly WHO would give up Johnson for Brett Favre in a keeper league? A guy with his whole career ahead of him for a guy who might have just a dozen games left in his career? Really?

Is it possible that you're overvaluing your own players-- Orton and Favre-- by thinking they're worth anything close to Johnson? I agree that Hightower for Cutler isn't great, but is it really that more outrageous than your original offer? Maybe he's not sure which rookie to keep and doesn't want to throw one away.

What do you expect him to do when you go "He's weak at QB?" Should he say "Yeah, I'm screwed. Just take whatever you want and give me somebody nobody will keep?"

 

[tribecalledjeff]

Guy has Matt Hasselbeck and Carson Palmer as his QBs. So I offer him Kyle Orton or Brett Favre for Chris Johnson. He e-mails me telling me how insulting this offer is, how CJIII is a top 10 RB, current/future stud. No problem I say. Shoot me a counteroffer.A day or so passes and he picks up Ryan Fitzpatrick this morning. I see this and send him another offer of Orton for Tim Hightower. He counters with Hightower for Jay Cutler. LOL. I am at my wit's end. I hate leagues like this, where trading is so hard to accomplish.It's a keeper league, but you can only keep 2 (plus 1 rookie) of your 18-man roster each year.

I have this one owner in my league who feels that every other player on the other rosters rightfully belongs to him and starts pms'ing when his incessant trade demands are declined and he's denied what's owed to him.completely obnoxious.

 

[Lobary]

Why would anyone take offense to another owner's lowball trade offer when a simple "no" will suffice? I laugh.

 

[MOAT]

Guy has Matt Hasselbeck and Carson Palmer as his QBs. So I offer him Kyle Orton or Brett Favre for Chris Johnson. He e-mails me telling me how insulting this offer is, how CJIII is a top 10 RB, current/future stud. No problem I say. Shoot me a counteroffer.A day or so passes and he picks up Ryan Fitzpatrick this morning. I see this and send him another offer of Orton for Tim Hightower. He counters with Hightower for Jay Cutler. LOL. I am at my wit's end. I hate leagues like this, where trading is so hard to accomplish.It's a keeper league, but you can only keep 2 (plus 1 rookie) of your 18-man roster each year.

Wow! This would be so awesome. An owner that responds to trade offers. You are one lucky person!

 

[treat88]

Why would anyone take offense to another owner's lowball trade offer when a simple "no" will suffice? I laugh.

I always offer a lowball deal initially simply to initiate dialogue. Nothing outrageous, just an offer patently in my favor.On occasion these offers have been accepted and, if not, I can better gauge how an owner thinks by their response.It's not insulting, it's smart trading.

 

[footballgeek]

I have a couple of guys like this in my league - they won't make a trade unless they can rip you off to the point where the trade is borderline vetoable.

I'm in the same situation, it's awful. That is how it is in 2 of the leagues I'm in.

 

[Manster]

im in two money leagues. one of them is like what the OP described. nobody trades, because if you offer up a decent trade they reject it, and counter with crap. its a culture in this league. the other one is the opposite. trades are common, and mostly equitable on both sides.

 

[Jambi]

Guy has Matt Hasselbeck and Carson Palmer as his QBs. So I offer him Kyle Orton or Brett Favre for Chris Johnson. He e-mails me telling me how insulting this offer is, how CJIII is a top 10 RB, current/future stud. No problem I say. Shoot me a counteroffer.A day or so passes and he picks up Ryan Fitzpatrick this morning. I see this and send him another offer of Orton for Tim Hightower. He counters with Hightower for Jay Cutler. LOL. I am at my wit's end. I hate leagues like this, where trading is so hard to accomplish.It's a keeper league, but you can only keep 2 (plus 1 rookie) of your 18-man roster each year.

Orton for Hightower or Johnson? I would have laughed as well.Orton - LOL

 

[Jambi]

I can't stay away. Orton, seriously

This thread is borderline

 

[thatguythere]

Guy has Matt Hasselbeck and Carson Palmer as his QBs. So I offer him Kyle Orton or Brett Favre for Chris Johnson. He e-mails me telling me how insulting this offer is, how CJIII is a top 10 RB, current/future stud. No problem I say. Shoot me a counteroffer.A day or so passes and he picks up Ryan Fitzpatrick this morning. I see this and send him another offer of Orton for Tim Hightower. He counters with Hightower for Jay Cutler. LOL. I am at my wit's end. I hate leagues like this, where trading is so hard to accomplish.It's a keeper league, but you can only keep 2 (plus 1 rookie) of your 18-man roster each year.

Wow! This would be so awesome. An owner that responds to trade offers. You are one lucky person!

That's what I was saying....must be nice.

When offering a trade, owners need to be willing to absorb a net loss if it benefits their team - a lot of owners don't really think about that, and all they want is to 'win the trade.' A trade that improves your team is a win, especially if you are trading talent that you never use. In my opinion, this is the key to being successful at trading

This is right on.

 

[the roflmobile]

Finally pulled off two trades this season in two separate re-draft leagues. Traded Megatron and Eddie Royal for Fitzgerald after week 4. Traded Plax for Marshall immediately after the draft in a PPR league. That one's been $$$ so far.

 

[jagbag]

I can't stay away. Orton, seriously

This thread is borderline

Orton - LOL

Maybe you want to take a look at his numbers before Over the last three weeks in my league. he has posted better numbers than:

P. Manning

Romo

Cutler

Rivers

Warner

In fact only three others have outproduced him.

Granted, he's not keeper material at the years end, but he's no slouch, and a hell of a lot better than his other QB's.

 

[-baller]

Finally pulled off two trades this season in two separate re-draft leagues. Traded Megatron and Eddie Royal for Fitzgerald after week 4. Traded Plax for Marshall immediately after the draft in a PPR league. That one's been $$$ so far.

why are you telling us this?

 

[FUBAR]

Guy has Matt Hasselbeck and Carson Palmer as his QBs.

So I offer him Kyle Orton or Brett Favre for Chris Johnson. He e-mails me telling me how insulting this offer is, how CJIII is a top 10 RB, current/future stud. No problem I say. Shoot me a counteroffer.

A day or so passes and he picks up Ryan Fitzpatrick this morning. I see this and send him another offer of Orton for Tim Hightower. He counters with Hightower for Jay Cutler. LOL.

I am at my wit's end. I hate leagues like this, where trading is so hard to accomplish.

It's a keeper league, but you can only keep 2 (plus 1 rookie) of your 18-man roster each year.

Those offers are offensive. Giving him a top 15 type QB for a valuable rookie is not a fair offer. CJ4.24 has much more value, esp for a keeper league. Hightower might too.

I would have made that same counter for Cutler so maybe you'd get the hint to stop.

When you start out offering Favre or Orton for a top 10 RB, which by your league rules, can be kept with little cost (only 1 rookie, but CJ3 is arguably the most valuable rookie), I'd tell you to shove it, and it was an insulting offer. Be glad he's even kept dialogue open. Sure, Orton has done well this year but take an objective look and you'll see it was a bad offer.Cutler > Hightower, but it's more legit than your offer.

Orton for Hightower seems about right to me, but only if you think Orton will keep it up. Plus, he was probably annoyed enough at that point to not really want a deal.

Trading is difficult, when you aren't being reasonable.

I've rarely had problems trading

 

[billjohnson]

Guy has Matt Hasselbeck and Carson Palmer as his QBs. So I offer him Kyle Orton or Brett Favre for Chris Johnson. He e-mails me telling me how insulting this offer is, how CJIII is a top 10 RB, current/future stud. No problem I say. Shoot me a counteroffer.A day or so passes and he picks up Ryan Fitzpatrick this morning. I see this and send him another offer of Orton for Tim Hightower. He counters with Hightower for Jay Cutler. LOL. I am at my wit's end. I hate leagues like this, where trading is so hard to accomplish.It's a keeper league, but you can only keep 2 (plus 1 rookie) of your 18-man roster each year.

No one is obligated to trade... Orton for C. Johnson...and you're not happy b/c he didn't accept.

 

[Jack Burton]

Finally pulled off two trades this season in two separate re-draft leagues. Traded Megatron and Eddie Royal for Fitzgerald after week 4. Traded Plax for Marshall immediately after the draft in a PPR league. That one's been $$$ so far.

why are you telling us this?

isn't it obvious

 

[millertyme1]

I have an owner in my league that makes horrible offers.......then gets offended when the guy makes a return offer that's not worse than the original offer. Then, the guy that started the whole trade discussion likes to openly ##### and moan that someone made him a bad counter offer. I guess he's yet to realize someone COULD HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION THAN HIM. He also likes to tell the other owner why HE SHOULD ACCEPT THE OFFER!!

BTW You outright said 1 rookie could be kept in addition. Johnson IS a top 10 keeper RB. Hightower very well could be a top 20 RB in 2009 if James is released/they decide to hand the reigns to Hightower outright.

I'm sure your intentions were soley to help your fellow leaguemate by offering him for Johnson. And not because you think Orten will come crashing back down to earth as the frigid temps and terrible winds come to the Windy City this winter.

 

[-baller]

Guy has Matt Hasselbeck and Carson Palmer as his QBs.

So I offer him Kyle Orton or Brett Favre for Chris Johnson. He e-mails me telling me how insulting this offer is, how CJIII is a top 10 RB, current/future stud. No problem I say. Shoot me a counteroffer.

A day or so passes and he picks up Ryan Fitzpatrick this morning. I see this and send him another offer of Orton for Tim Hightower. He counters with Hightower for Jay Cutler. LOL.

I am at my wit's end. I hate leagues like this, where trading stealing is so hard to accomplish.

It's a keeper league, but you can only keep 2 (plus 1 rookie) of your 18-man roster each year.

fixed.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

admit i did not read entire post but who else is on the roster is a huge factor

 

[Krewe]

You know, in my longterm $$$ league I have developed some "trading partners"...and while there is no collusion, there has become--after so many years---a certain level of comfort dealing players between us. Sure, we each have our own motives and agendas, but the bottom line is no one has tried to outright fleece anyone else. I want to improve my team, but in the end---these other guys are my friends and while I want to win and smack talk as much as anyone, I don't need any of them thinking "Here comes so-and-so trying to bone me on another one sided fantasy trade. what an #######." Looking at the parameters listed by the OP, I think the second party was right to think he was getting hosed. At least he responded.

A much lower form of life are those who ignore trade offers.

 

[blake]

You know, in my longterm $$$ league I have developed some "trading partners"...and while there is no collusion, there has become--after so many years---a certain level of comfort dealing players between us. Sure, we each have our own motives and agendas, but the bottom line is no one has tried to outright fleece anyone else. I want to improve my team, but in the end---these other guys are my friends and while I want to win and smack talk as much as anyone, I don't need any of them thinking "Here comes so-and-so trying to bone me on another one sided fantasy trade. what an #######." Looking at the parameters listed by the OP, I think the second party was right to think he was getting hosed. At least he responded.A much lower form of life are those who ignore trade offers.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

A much lower form of life are those who ignore trade offers.

Those are the only people that bother me. A simple 'F U' would be fine.

 

[FantasyTrader]

Why would anyone take offense to another owner's lowball trade offer when a simple "no" will suffice? I laugh.

I always offer a lowball deal initially simply to initiate dialogue. Nothing outrageous, just an offer patently in my favor.On occasion these offers have been accepted and, if not, I can better gauge how an owner thinks by their response.It's not insulting, it's smart trading.

I do the exact opposite. I've found that sending lowball offers don't initiate discussion at all. What I do is offer them a deal that is most decidedly in their favor (a deal I have no intention of actually completing). And when they say, "that sounds good to me", I pull back with something to the effect of "Well, the more I think about it - I'm not so sure I'm able to absorb the loss of player x, but maybe we could still help each other out by..."Viola. Now we're negotiating and they don't even realize how they got there.

 

[Lash]

guy can potentially keep CJ3 as one of his 2 keepers and Hightower as his rookie and you offered him Orton or a 38-yr old? - you're lucky he didn't tell you to go screw something with 4 legs

 

[duece2626]

Why would anyone take offense to another owner's lowball trade offer when a simple "no" will suffice? I laugh.

I always offer a lowball deal initially simply to initiate dialogue. Nothing outrageous, just an offer patently in my favor.On occasion these offers have been accepted and, if not, I can better gauge how an owner thinks by their response.It's not insulting, it's smart trading.

I've found that sending lowball offers don't initiate discussion at all.

:(

 

[Pickle Rody]

Yeah, trading is an art. It takes objectivity and a fairly honest knowledge of player value, in relation to your team, the team(s) you are trying to deal with and the type of league(s) you are in. It also takes patience. It takes a little bit of thick skin too. If you get offended easily, then you probably won't make many trades. If you can look objectively at why another owner flat out ignored you or came back with a reply that he is offended, you can still salvage a working deal. If you are always getting those types of reactions to your proposed deals, maybe you need to figure out a better way to initiate such deals.....say, make better offers.

As far as types of guys in my league? I have a couplpe guys that always offer extremely low-ball deals. I never get offended. I see if they are really serious about a player and then I work with them to try to get a deal done, if said deal could benefit my team. If they really think they can pull a fast one, I tell them they are not valuing said player the way I do and I explain why I value such player the way I do. They either see the light or not. I can walk away from any deal for whatever reason, but usually it is because the other guy is not willing to pay a fair price. This is partly my own fault because I have usually overpaid for guys that I wanted and initiated the talks to acquire said player. Now most of the guys will try to get a sweet deal from me when in negotiations. Most just don't get it and I rarely deal with these guys. I have other guys who are willing to look at trade opportunities on a level akin to my own player evaluations.

While I wish there was more trading going on each year, it is not something I have great control over. You can lead a horse to water.............it doesn't mean the lightbulb will come on.

 

[NFL-ons]

Owners complaining about other owner threads are hilarious. Don't you realize that everyone gets to manage their team how they want, not how you want them to. Maybe they get a thrill out of jerking you guys around, I know I certainly would.

I wish all you complainers in this thread would just get together and start your own league. Then you could trade and veto each others trades all season long. Please make sure you keep this thread going when you do that would be an enjoyable read!!

 

[Follows Closely]

Guy has Matt Hasselbeck and Carson Palmer as his QBs. So I offer him Kyle Orton or Brett Favre for Chris Johnson. He e-mails me telling me how insulting this offer is, how CJIII is a top 10 RB, current/future stud. No problem I say. Shoot me a counteroffer.A day or so passes and he picks up Ryan Fitzpatrick this morning. I see this and send him another offer of Orton for Tim Hightower. He counters with Hightower for Jay Cutler. LOL. I am at my wit's end. I hate leagues like this, where trading is so hard to accomplish.It's a keeper league, but you can only keep 2 (plus 1 rookie) of your 18-man roster each year.

Favre for Chris Johnson is crazy, especially in a keeper. If you want dialog don;t start with dumb offers.

 

[bonesman]

Why would anyone take offense to another owner's lowball trade offer when a simple "no" will suffice? I laugh.

I always offer a lowball deal initially simply to initiate dialogue. Nothing outrageous, just an offer patently in my favor.On occasion these offers have been accepted and, if not, I can better gauge how an owner thinks by their response.

It's not insulting, it's smart trading.

I do the exact opposite. I've found that sending lowball offers don't initiate discussion at all. What I do is offer them a deal that is most decidedly in their favor (a deal I have no intention of actually completing). And when they say, "that sounds good to me", I pull back with something to the effect of "Well, the more I think about it - I'm not so sure I'm able to absorb the loss of player x, but maybe we could still help each other out by..."Viola. Now we're negotiating and they don't even realize how they got there.

Then it's not exactly an offer then, is it? ... more like initiating negotiations.

 

[fsufan]

I've found you've got to find a few guys who actually like to trade and keep a good dialogue with them throughout the year.

I think about 70% of my leagues are like this. Most guys are just afraid to make the wrong move or look bad in a trade.

Kind of a bummer, but it's the way it is. :(

i play in 2 dynasty leagues. the same owners makes trades very year. I am one of them and I love trading.