Do you realize that the Kansas City Chiefs... (1 Viewer)

[Raider Nation]

Go see for yourself.

In their 43 year history, I can't find a single "special" wide receiver on any of their teams. The best season by a Kansas City WR was by Derrick Alexander in 2000 when he had 1,391 yards & 10 TDs. That's a really good year, but beyond that you'll find nothing but a big sack of poop from K.C. receivers.

In 1983, Carlos Carson had 1,351 & 7, and he never came close to those totals after that.

Eddie Kennison had 1,000+ in 2004, and 1100+ in 2005. In this passing era... big deal.

Stephone Paige, one of the better K.C. WRs in their history, topped 1K only once, in 1990.

Even Super Bowl IV hero Otis Taylor had only two 1K seasons... 1966 & 1971.

Granted, the brilliance of TE Tony Gonzalez has a lot to do with the mediocrity of Kansas City's receivers in recent years, but that doesn't explain the lack of production from 1963-1996.

Maybe they can draft a good WR in April.

 

[redman]

Yeah, but they've had a lot of great RB's. Mike Garrett. Christian Okoye. Priest Holmes. Larry Johnson. Marcus Allen . . .

 

[Raider Nation]

Yeah, but they've had a lot of great RB's. Mike Garrett. Christian Okoye. Priest Holmes. Larry Johnson. Marcus Allen . . .

There's certainly a cause and effect there.

 

[redman]

Yeah, but they've had a lot of great RB's. Mike Garrett. Christian Okoye. Priest Holmes. Larry Johnson. Marcus Allen . . .

There's certainly a cause and effect there.

Actually, they've had some very good QB's there. Len Dawson is a HoF'er of course. But they've had some outstanding performances out of Kenney, DeBerg, Montana, Grbac, Bono and Green. You're right though. There's a disconnect between the success of their offenses and the individual performances of their WR's.

 

[Raider Nation]

Yeah, but they've had a lot of great RB's. Mike Garrett. Christian Okoye. Priest Holmes. Larry Johnson. Marcus Allen . . .

There's certainly a cause and effect there.

Actually, they've had some very good QB's there. Len Dawson is a HoF'er of course. But they've had some outstanding performances out of Kenney, DeBerg, Montana, Grbac, Bono and Green. You're right though. There's a disconnect between the success of their offenses and the individual performances of their WR's.

Yep. It's a really weird deal.Take my Raiders for a comparison. We've had Cliff Branch, Fred Biletnikoff and Tim Brown. That's not even mentioning Jerry Rice and Randy Moss, because they weren't really "great" as Raiders...

 

[BGP]

Prior to roughly the mid 1990s, there were far fewer 1000 yard receivers. Heck, it was almost unheard of to have two WRs with 1000 yards on the same team.

Check out 93: only NINE WRs caught 1000 yards:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/leaders1993.htm

1992? Only SEVEN did!

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/leaders1992.htm

2002? The #10 WR had 1264 yards.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/leaders2002.htm

2000? The #10 WR had 1317 yards.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/leaders2000.htm

Overall, the trend is up for WR yards. Give it time and probably most every club will have their stud WR in their history.

 

[JohnnyU]

Otis Taylor WAS a great WR, it's just that KC mostly ran the ball. If Taylor played on all those great passing Charger teams of the 60s, or Colts teams in the last 9 years, he would have had a lot more 1000K seasons.

 

[Koya]

Wasn't Joe Horn a Chief? (Ooops).

Maybe not an all time great but he had a pretty damn good stretch there for a few years.

 

[Raider Nation]

Otis Taylor WAS a great WR, it's just that KC mostly ran the ball. If Taylor played on all those great passing Charger teams of the 60s, or Colts teams in the last 9 years, he would have had a lot more 1000K seasons.

I like him because he totally blew off Hank Stram when he came to the sidelines after his great TD catch and run in the Super Bowl against the Vikes. Stram almost jumped in Taylor's arms, and ol' Otis completely ignored him. One of my favorite NFL Film clips.

 

[Raider Nation]

Wasn't Joe Horn a Chief? (Ooops).Maybe not an all time great but he had a pretty damn good stretch there for a few years.

Yeah.... with New Orleans.

 

[Koya]

Wasn't Joe Horn a Chief? (Ooops).Maybe not an all time great but he had a pretty damn good stretch there for a few years.

Yeah.... with New Orleans.

While we certainly can't know, I see no reason why Horn would not have excelled on the Chiefs when he finally matured as a player. It is not as if he had Marino throwing to him down in NO.

 

[Family Matters]

Otis Taylor WAS a great WR, it's just that KC mostly ran the ball. If Taylor played on all those great passing Charger teams of the 60s, or Colts teams in the last 9 years, he would have had a lot more 1000K seasons.

I agree with you on this. First, Taylor was a very good WR. And yes they ran the ball first and passed for balance and to keep defenses honest.Over the years, KC has been a very good running team. It has been their bread and butter. Passing has never been a big focus. Though recently they have done a better job of it with Green and Gonzo. And yet they are still usually one the top rushing attacks.

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

Not sure why the thread matters, but at least in the last 20 seasons, it has not affected KC that much.....since 1989, only 3 teams have more regular season wins.

 

[Raider Nation]

Not sure why the thread matters

That's never stopped me before...

 

[Encyclopedia Brown]

Take my Raiders for a comparison. We've had Cliff Branch, Fred Biletnikoff and Tim Brown and Kenny Shedd.

Amended.

 

[MarshallRob]

I think a lot of people thought Otis Taylor was a great receiver.

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

Some of my personal favorites growing up:

Emile Harry - for the name alone

Henry Marshall

Willie Davis

JT Smith

Although a TE, Walter White was one of the most overlooked at his position in the late 70's, and was the ONLY weapon on some BAD KC teams.

 

[redman]

Not sure why the thread matters, but at least in the last 20 seasons, it has not affected KC that much.....since 1989, only 3 teams have more regular season wins.

The playoffs, however, are where your elite talent can make a difference, and that's where they've suffered.

 

[redman]

Although a TE, Walter White was one of the most overlooked at his position in the late 70's, and was the ONLY weapon on some BAD KC teams.

Hmmmmmm, sounds familiar . . .

 

[Don Quixote]

Sylvester Morris had potential. Had a solid rookie season. Blew out his knee and wasn't the same after.

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

Although a TE, Walter White was one of the most overlooked at his position in the late 70's, and was the ONLY weapon on some BAD KC teams.

Hmmmmmm, sounds familiar . . .

Redman, don't be a jerk....if you are trying to compare Gonzalez to White, you are WAY off base.

 

[redman]

Although a TE, Walter White was one of the most overlooked at his position in the late 70's, and was the ONLY weapon on some BAD KC teams.

Hmmmmmm, sounds familiar . . .

Redman, don't be a jerk....if you are trying to compare Gonzalez to White, you are WAY off base.

I'm no authority on Chiefs football circa the 1970's, but has there really been more talent around Gonzalez in the passing game than there was around White? I do realize that your original statement was (or at least seemed to be) aimed at White's entire team. Honestly, outside of Philly, has any team done a worse job of bolstering its WR corps in the last 10 years than KC?

 

[BigRed]

Otis Taylor WAS a great WR,

duh. Amazing how few people can grasp how stats don't tell everything, to say the least.

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

I'm no authority on Chiefs football circa the 1970's, but has there really been more talent around Gonzalez in the passing game than there was around White? I do realize that your original statement was (or at least seemed to be) aimed at White's entire team.

Honestly, outside of Philly, has any team done a worse job of bolstering its WR corps in the last 10 years than KC?

No argument there.....re: the WR Development in the Peterson era.I am only 27, but have read, watched and heard how bad KC was between 74-88....Arrowhead was a graveyard most games. KC was a Royals city.

Let me see how many I can name (draft picks or guys who started with KC)

Chris Penn

Lake Dawson

Kevin Lockett

Tamarick Vanover

Snoop Minnis

Sly Morris

traded a 2nd for Victor Bailey

Danan Hughes

J.J. Birden

Willie Davis - one nice season (1993)

Sean LaChapelle

Larry Parker

Some of the UFA deals were horrible

Eric Martin - former Saints WR came to KC to finish his career

Brett Perriman - signed him after his 2 huge seasons - he LASTED ALL OF SIX GAMES

Webster Slaughter

Johnnie Morton

Some have been great

Derrick Alexander

Andre Rison

Eddie Kennison

 

[snorlax]

Not sure why the thread matters, but at least in the last 20 seasons, it has not affected KC that much.....since 1989, only 3 teams have more regular season wins.

What three teams are those?

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

Not sure why the thread matters, but at least in the last 20 seasons, it has not affected KC that much.....since 1989, only 3 teams have more regular season wins.

What three teams are those?

I believe IIRC, it is DEN, PITT and SF

 

[-OZ-]

Not sure why the thread matters, but at least in the last 20 seasons, it has not affected KC that much.....since 1989, only 3 teams have more regular season wins.

What three teams are those?

I believe IIRC, it is DEN, PITT and SF

That's great and all, but how many playoff wins do the Chiefs have?

 

[Capella]

Not sure why the thread matters, but at least in the last 20 seasons, it has not affected KC that much.....since 1989, only 3 teams have more regular season wins.

Yea, but 11 teams have more Super Bowl wins.

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

I never mentioned anything about SB wins fellas.......I simply said regular season wins......you kidders.

 

[Sea Bass]

Otis Taylor WAS a great WR, it's just that KC mostly ran the ball. If Taylor played on all those great passing Charger teams of the 60s, or Colts teams in the last 9 years, he would have had a lot more 1000K seasons.

Taylor played when a 1000 yards meant more.........14 game seasons. Without a doubt, he was a great wr.

 

[Raider Nation]

Otis Taylor WAS a great WR,

duh. Amazing how few people can grasp how stats don't tell everything, to say the least.

Including Hall of Fame voters, evidently.

 

[Mister CIA]

This is obviously a ploy to motivate Marc Boerigter.

 

[weisguy0831]

Andre Rison 1997

Rec-72

yds-1092

ypc-15.2

tds- 7

pretty good if you ask me.

and yes otis taylor was a great wr. kind of surprised he's not in the hall of fame

 

[-OZ-]

I never mentioned anything about SB wins fellas.......I simply said regular season wins......you kidders.

Please refer to any and all Peyton Manning threads to see how much the regular season matters.

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

I never mentioned anything about SB wins fellas.......I simply said regular season wins......you kidders.

Please refer to any and all Peyton Manning threads to see how much the regular season matters.

You will see me in there defending Manning too smart guy.

 

[redman]

I'm no authority on Chiefs football circa the 1970's, but has there really been more talent around Gonzalez in the passing game than there was around White? I do realize that your original statement was (or at least seemed to be) aimed at White's entire team.

Honestly, outside of Philly, has any team done a worse job of bolstering its WR corps in the last 10 years than KC?

No argument there.....re: the WR Development in the Peterson era.I am only 27, but have read, watched and heard how bad KC was between 74-88....Arrowhead was a graveyard most games. KC was a Royals city.

Let me see how many I can name (draft picks or guys who started with KC)

Chris Penn

Lake Dawson

Kevin Lockett

Tamarick Vanover

Snoop Minnis

Sly Morris

traded a 2nd for Victor Bailey

Danan Hughes

J.J. Birden

Willie Davis - one nice season (1993)

Sean LaChapelle

Larry Parker

Some of the UFA deals were horrible

Eric Martin - former Saints WR came to KC to finish his career

Brett Perriman - signed him after his 2 huge seasons - he LASTED ALL OF SIX GAMES

Webster Slaughter

Johnnie Morton

Some have been great

Derrick Alexander

Andre Rison

Eddie Kennison

The last part is the problem. The only success they've had, whether it was Marty or Gunther or Vermeil coaching, has been FA WR's. Alexander and Rison only contributed one or two good years; Kennison has been their greatest success, and ironically they pulled him off of the virtual scrap heap after three teams had given up on him, the last after he'd indicated he had no more desire to play football. This is just a terrible track record, and it's bizarre given how generally competent that organization has been in identifying and developing talent elsewhere. It's like they have a blind spot for WR's.

 

[Bri]

Not as if the Chiefs have been winning Supes but....

Supe winning teams don't necessarily have great WRs. Compare all the teams and all the positions and IMO that's the most common weak link.

Pats recent teams didn't. I don't think the Ravens had a great one.

This board seems to love the Giants and Bears supe teams of the 80s and they sure didn't have great WRs.

 

[3C's]

Maybe they can draft a good WR in April.

I hope they draft Tony Gonzalez (OSU) just for the novelty of it.

 

[ffball-novice]

Not as if the Chiefs have been winning Supes but....Supe winning teams don't necessarily have great WRs. Compare all the teams and all the positions and IMO that's the most common weak link.Pats recent teams didn't. I don't think the Ravens had a great one.This board seems to love the Giants and Bears supe teams of the 80s and they sure didn't have great WRs.

Might want to check that Bears roster and reconsider.

 

[-OZ-]

I never mentioned anything about SB wins fellas.......I simply said regular season wins......you kidders.

Please refer to any and all Peyton Manning threads to see how much the regular season matters.

You will see me in there defending Manning too smart guy.

I know you have. Most of us like to see a team win the Super Bowl before annointing it great.

 

[Bri]

Not as if the Chiefs have been winning Supes but....Supe winning teams don't necessarily have great WRs. Compare all the teams and all the positions and IMO that's the most common weak link.Pats recent teams didn't. I don't think the Ravens had a great one.This board seems to love the Giants and Bears supe teams of the 80s and they sure didn't have great WRs.

Might want to check that Bears roster and reconsider.

why? who?

 

[InTheLoo]

Still more evidence the WR is the most overrated position in professional sports.

 

[dickey moe]

Never, EVER, discount the special player that was Larry Parker.

 

[LongDrivethenFoozle]

Scrolled through real fast....but was "Left-Eye" Rison mentioned? Of course he was also a Raider for another "cup of coffee"! To think K.C. hasn't had any "great" WR's all those years of dominating the Raider Nation. If Randy Moss, for some crazy reason, lands in KC........he'll be a 80-90 catch guy again! That would be a hell of thing for Raider Fan to see........L.J.- Tony "G"- Ted Ginn- and Randy Moss........Trent Green could hand the reins to the Kid, Brady Croyle...... he's the future "franchise guy". Sorry to even bring up the Moss thing.....but don't be shocked if he returns to form as a Raider "nemesis"!

 

[buster c]

despite the obvious omission of Otis Taylor - one of the most feared WR's of his era - it is amazing that the rest of KC WR history is laden with such craptitudiness

 

[bjabrad]

Still more evidence the WR is the most overrated position in professional sports.

overrated, overhyped, biggest primadonna's and loudmouths and showboaters but fun to watch and a helpful ingredient in stretching defenses to allow for more running room. During Martyball KC relied on defense. Vermiel had a high scoring offense but spread the passing around quite a bit to both TE Gonzo and RB Priest Holmes. Edwards appears like a defense first and running to control the time of possession which leaves you one dimensional sans passing game. The offense that I have respect for is New England who will use the passing game as a ball control offense. They spread the ball around so much that nobody is the superstar, everyone is easily replaceable, nobody gets enough stats that they are expensive to retain or even attractive to other teams. They spend all their money on defense and QB and they have a manageable payroll and win every year. Brilliant!!!

 

[Warpig]

Not sure why the thread matters, but at least in the last 20 seasons, it has not affected KC that much.....since 1989, only 3 teams have more regular season wins.

Ouch!

 

[rumblinbumblinstumbler]

Actually, they've had some very good QB's there. Len Dawson is a HoF'er of course. But they've had some outstanding performances out of Kenney, DeBerg, Montana, Grbac, Bono and Green. You're right though. There's a disconnect between the success of their offenses and the individual performances of their WR's.

DeBerg - Played with pretty much everyoneMontana - From the 49ersGrbac - From the 49ersBono - From the 49ersGreen - From the Skins via the RamsSo, they've brought in some pretty good QB's, basically.....

 

[GRIDIRON ASSASSIN]

I'm no authority on Chiefs football circa the 1970's, but has there really been more talent around Gonzalez in the passing game than there was around White? I do realize that your original statement was (or at least seemed to be) aimed at White's entire team.

Honestly, outside of Philly, has any team done a worse job of bolstering its WR corps in the last 10 years than KC?

No argument there.....re: the WR Development in the Peterson era.I am only 27, but have read, watched and heard how bad KC was between 74-88....Arrowhead was a graveyard most games. KC was a Royals city.

Let me see how many I can name (draft picks or guys who started with KC)

Chris Penn

Lake Dawson

Kevin Lockett

Tamarick Vanover

Snoop Minnis

Sly Morris

traded a 2nd for Victor Bailey

Danan Hughes

J.J. Birden

Willie Davis - one nice season (1993)

Sean LaChapelle

Larry Parker

Some of the UFA deals were horrible

Eric Martin - former Saints WR came to KC to finish his career

Brett Perriman - signed him after his 2 huge seasons - he LASTED ALL OF SIX GAMES

Webster Slaughter

Johnnie Morton

Some have been great

Derrick Alexander

Andre Rison

Eddie Kennison

A moment of silence for Chris Penn. He was unrecognizable when he passed away last year.

 

[Delusions Of Adequacy]

Otis Taylor was inducted in the HOF in 1982. He was a great receiver, although his stats don't look like much compared with the modern game.

The premise that KC has never had a great receiver is false.