Doc Who Tied Vaccine to Autism Ruled Unethical (1 Viewer)

[Marvin]

Playmate Kills Kids.

The woman is a menace.

 

[Christo]

Playmate Kills Kids.

The last sentence says it all:

take healthcare advice from a doctor, not a Playboy Playmate.

And why aren't people mad at Oprah?

 

[Joe Summer]

In 2010, Wakefield's medical license was, thankfully, revoked. Later the same year, McCarthy came forward with the claim that her son was cured of autism as a result of treatments including aromatherapy, electromagnets, vitamins, a gluten-free diet and other such silliness. In truth, her son never had autism in the first place. He was simply misdiagnosed and is now a healthy 8-year-old kid, albeit with a dishonest dope for a mother.

So her entire crusade is based on a lie? That's crazy.

 

[gianmarco]

Playmate Kills Kids.

The woman is a menace.

 

[General Malaise]

Outstanding.

 

[GroveDiesel]

I agree she's a moron and doing harm, but how do they know she's the one responsible for those parents not vaccinating their kids? She wasn't the first or only proponent of not getting vaccines. She is the most famous and gotten the most press, but I seem to recall this being a fairly large movement before she was ever on board.

 

[General Malaise]

I agree she's a moron and doing harm, but how do they know she's the one responsible for those parents not vaccinating their kids? She wasn't the first or only proponent of not getting vaccines. She is the most famous and gotten the most press, but I seem to recall this being a fairly large movement before she was ever on board.

I'd be curious on the stats as well...did they spike after she became outspoken on this? I know my sister bought into her nonsense hook, line and sinker and had her children been any younger, she wouldn't have vaccinated them after falling for this BS. We spent many a nights at my parents house for dinner arguing over this crap.

 

[Amused to Death]

Full, uncut episode for mature audiences:

Penn & Teller's view on autism and vaccination

 

[-fish-]

Playmate Kills Kids.

The last sentence says it all:

take healthcare advice from a doctor, not a Playboy Playmate.

And why aren't people mad at Oprah?

because she's ugly and fat.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Full, uncut episode for mature audiences:

Penn & Teller's view on autism and vaccination

That's awesome. Thanks for posting.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

I agree she's a moron and doing harm, but how do they know she's the one responsible for those parents not vaccinating their kids? She wasn't the first or only proponent of not getting vaccines. She is the most famous and gotten the most press, but I seem to recall this being a fairly large movement before she was ever on board.

Scapegoating McCarthy seems ridiculous to me. Every parent is responsible for their own decisions, especially if they ignore the advice of their pediatrician in the process. And you are correct that there was a ton of (false) data and publications backing this theory long before JM joined the club.

 

[Politician Spock]

And the story continues

The country is bought and sold on so many levels its hard to tell, even with good research skills, what is the truth nowadays. If there is a profit to be made then usually that's the one to doubt.

Follow the money... ALWAYS FOLLOW THE MONEY!!!

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I agree she's a moron and doing harm, but how do they know she's the one responsible for those parents not vaccinating their kids? She wasn't the first or only proponent of not getting vaccines. She is the most famous and gotten the most press, but I seem to recall this being a fairly large movement before she was ever on board.

The body count website is unfair to her in a few ways. First, other people like Mr. Wakefield probably deserve more blame than she does. Second, the site is counting all cases of vaccination-preventable illnesses and deaths, not just the ones that exceed the pre-Jenny-McCarthy baseline. And third, according to the YouTube (e.g.,
), McCarthy never advocated forgoing vaccines. She advocated removing toxins from vaccines, and revising the vaccine schedule so that the immunizations are more spread out. So the people who refused to vaccinate their children weren't really following her advice. Finally, the site unjustly neglects to point out that she has big boobs.

 

[jdoggydogg]

Playmate Kills Kids.

The last sentence says it all:

take healthcare advice from a doctor, not a Playboy Playmate.

And why aren't people mad at Oprah?

Oprah was every bit as responsible for this.

 

[Wrighteous Ray]

McCarthy has killed even more potential babies. She's like Hitler to sperm.

 

[Brock Middlebrook]

I agree she's a moron and doing harm, but how do they know she's the one responsible for those parents not vaccinating their kids? She wasn't the first or only proponent of not getting vaccines. She is the most famous and gotten the most press, but I seem to recall this being a fairly large movement before she was ever on board.

from the website

Is Jenny McCarthy directly responsible for every vaccine preventable illness and every vaccine preventable death listed here? No. However, as the unofficial spokesperson for the United States anti-vaccination movement she may be indirectly responsible for at least some of these illnesses and deaths and even one vaccine preventable illness or vaccine preventable death is too many.

There you have it. Combatting desceptive tactics with other deceptive and mamipulative tactics is never right and only gives your opponenet ammunition to to call you a liar,as well (because you are) making your argument less effective.

 

[The Commish]

So McCarthy's claim is her son is now Autism free??

 

[parasaurolophus]

So McCarthy's claim is her son is now Autism free??

I have to get some of those candles.

 

[The Commish]

So McCarthy's claim is her son is now Autism free??

I have to get some of those candles.

Based on initial findings, you'll need the laxative she used. Apparently the kid pooped it out

 

[dagogrease]

Agree that you should not be listening to Playboy Playmates and celebrities when considering these issues. However, there are other studies by medical and scientific professionals that do support Wakefield's findings of a gut to brain correlation and the effects of environmental toxins, MMR vaccines and auto-immune deficiencies possibly from genetics play into this:

The research of Dr. Natasha Campbell-McBride shows there's a profound dynamic interaction between your gut, your brain, and your immune system, and she has developed what might be one of the most profoundly important treatment strategies for preventing autism, as well as a wide range of other neurological-, psychological-, and autoimmune disorders—all of which are heavily influenced by your gut health.

I believe her Gut and Psychology Syndrome, and Gut and Physiology Syndrome (GAPS) Nutritional program is vitally important for MOST people, as the majority of people have such poor gut health due to poor diet and toxic exposures, but it's particularly crucial for pregnant women and young children.

According to Dr. Campbell-McBride, children who are born with severely damaged gut flora are at a significantly increased risk of vaccine damage, which may help explain why some children develop symptoms of autism after receiving one or more childhood vaccinations, such as the MMR vaccine, while others do not.

In a previous interview, she explained the chain of events that is typical for many, if not most, autistic children:

"What happens in these children [is that] they do not develop normal gut flora from birth… As a result, their digestive system—instead of being a source of nourishment for these children—becomes a major source of toxicity. These pathogenic microbes inside their digestive tract damage the integrity of the gut wall. So all sort of toxins and microbes flood into the bloodstream of the child, and get into the brain of the child.

That usually happens in the second year of life in children who were breast fed because breastfeeding provides a protection against this abnormal gut flora. In children who were not breastfed, I see the symptoms of autism developing in the first year of life. So breastfeeding is crucial to protect these children."

If a child with abnormal gut flora and damaged digestive tract receives a vaccine, the added toxic burden may prove too great to bear. Keep in mind that this toxic burden is NOT necessarily limited to thimerosal (mercury-based preservative) or aluminum-based adjuvants found in some vaccines. The MMR vaccine for example does not contain thimerosal or aluminum. Instead, it appears the measles virus in the vaccine may contribute to chronic inflammation of the bowel, thereby unleashing a cascade of harmful effects on the brain.

"... If the child's brain is clogged with toxicity, the child misses that window of opportunity of learning and starts developing autism depending on the mixture of toxins, depending on how severe the whole condition is, and how severely abnormal the gut flora is in the child," Dr. Campbell-McBride explains.

It's important to understand that the gut flora your child acquires during birth is dependent on your—the mother's—gut flora. So if your microflora is abnormal, your child's will be as well. Autism isn't the only potential outcome in this case.

GAPS may manifest as a conglomerate of symptoms that can fit the diagnosis of either autism, or attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), attention deficit disorder (ADD), dyslexia, dyspraxia, or obsessive-compulsive disorder, just to name a few possibilities. Digestive issues, asthma, allergies, skin problems and autoimmune disorders are also common outgrowths of GAPS, as it can present itself either psychologically or physiologically

Published papers other than Wakefield:1. The Journal of Pediatrics November 1999; 135(5):559-63

2. The Journal of Pediatrics 2000; 138(3): 366-372

3. Journal of Clinical Immunology November 2003; 23(6): 504-517

4. Journal of Neuroimmunology 2005

5. Brain, Behavior and Immunity 1993; 7: 97-103

6. Pediatric Neurology 2003; 28(4): 1-3

7. Neuropsychobiology 2005; 51:77-85

8. The Journal of Pediatrics May 2005;146(5):605-10

9. Autism Insights 2009; 1: 1-11

10. Canadian Journal of Gastroenterology February 2009; 23(2): 95-98

11. Annals of Clinical Psychiatry 2009:21(3): 148-161

12. Journal of Child Neurology June 29, 2009; 000:1-6

13. Journal of Autism and Developmental Disorders March 2009;39(3):405-13

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

And, we're off...

 

[NCCommish]

There are so many problems with GAPS it's hard to pick a place to start but here's one. Sometimes Autism goes away spontaneously. By itself. In fact there's a significant minority of the population that will lose the diagnosis altogether by age 7. So just because you feed your kid something or make them poop that doesn't mean it cured them.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

However, there are other studies by medical and scientific professionals that do support Wakefield's findings of a gut to brain correlation ...

A strong connection between gut and brain is well established. (I wouldn't refer to it as one of "Wakefield's findings," since I believe it was well established before Wakefield; but in any case, the brain-gut connection is not controversial. The vaccine-autism connection is controversial, and appears to be unsupported by any good evidence so far.)

The research of Dr. Natasha Campbell-McBride shows there's a profound dynamic interaction between your gut, your brain, and your immune system, and she has developed what might be one of the most profoundly important treatment strategies for preventing autism, as well as a wide range of other neurological-, psychological-, and autoimmune disorders—all of which are heavily influenced by your gut health.

I believe her Gut and Psychology Syndrome, and Gut and Physiology Syndrome (GAPS) Nutritional program is vitally important for MOST people, as the majority of people have such poor gut health due to poor diet and toxic exposures, but it's particularly crucial for pregnant women and young children.

According to Dr. Campbell-McBride, children who are born with severely damaged gut flora are at a significantly increased risk of vaccine damage, which may help explain why some children develop symptoms of autism after receiving one or more childhood vaccinations, such as the MMR vaccine, while others do not.

In a previous interview, she explained the chain of events that is typical for many, if not most, autistic children:

"What happens in these children [is that] they do not develop normal gut flora from birth… As a result, their digestive system—instead of being a source of nourishment for these children—becomes a major source of toxicity. These pathogenic microbes inside their digestive tract damage the integrity of the gut wall. So all sort of toxins and microbes flood into the bloodstream of the child, and get into the brain of the child.

That usually happens in the second year of life in children who were breast fed because breastfeeding provides a protection against this abnormal gut flora. In children who were not breastfed, I see the symptoms of autism developing in the first year of life. So breastfeeding is crucial to protect these children."

There does appear to be a negative correlation between breastfeeding and autism. Definitely worth looking into further.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

This full of crap article is making the email/facebook rounds. "Courts quietly confirm MMR Vaccine causes Autism"

This explains why it is full of crap.

 

[gianmarco]

Great blog post on vaccinations

 

[QuizGuy66]

Gianmarco link has some rough images btw.

-QG

 

[Joe Summer]

Jenny McCarthy responds to claim that her son never had autism

Stories circulating online, claiming that I said my son Evan may not have autism after all, are blatantly inaccurate and completely ridiculous. Evan was diagnosed with autism by the Autism Evaluation Clinic at the UCLA Neuropsychiatric Hospital and was confirmed by the State of California (through their Regional Center). The implication that I have changed my position, that my child was not initially diagnosed with autism (and instead may suffer from Landau-Kleffner Syndrome), is both irresponsible and inaccurate. These stories cite a "new" Time Magazine interview with me, which was actually published in 2010, that never contained any such statements by me. Continued misrepresentations, such as these, only serve to open wounds of the many families who are courageously dealing with this disorder. Please know that I am taking every legal measure necessary to set this straight.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Jenny McCarthy responds to claim that her son never had autism

Stories circulating online, claiming that I said my son Evan may not have autism after all, are blatantly inaccurate and completely ridiculous. Evan was diagnosed with autism by the Autism Evaluation Clinic at the UCLA Neuropsychiatric Hospital and was confirmed by the State of California (through their Regional Center). The implication that I have changed my position, that my child was not initially diagnosed with autism (and instead may suffer from Landau-Kleffner Syndrome), is both irresponsible and inaccurate. These stories cite a "new" Time Magazine interview with me, which was actually published in 2010, that never contained any such statements by me. Continued misrepresentations, such as these, only serve to open wounds of the many families who are courageously dealing with this disorder. Please know that I am taking every legal measure necessary to set this straight.

All hail the Queen of Irony.

 

[jdoggydogg]

Jenny McCarthy responds to claim that her son never had autism

Stories circulating online, claiming that I said my son Evan may not have autism after all, are blatantly inaccurate and completely ridiculous. Evan was diagnosed with autism by the Autism Evaluation Clinic at the UCLA Neuropsychiatric Hospital and was confirmed by the State of California (through their Regional Center). The implication that I have changed my position, that my child was not initially diagnosed with autism (and instead may suffer from Landau-Kleffner Syndrome), is both irresponsible and inaccurate. These stories cite a "new" Time Magazine interview with me, which was actually published in 2010, that never contained any such statements by me. Continued misrepresentations, such as these, only serve to open wounds of the many families who are courageously dealing with this disorder. Please know that I am taking every legal measure necessary to set this straight.

All hail the Queen of Irony.

Jenny McCarthy just used the word, "irresponsible." Hilarious!

 

[Fennis]

I'd like to vaccinate her.

 

[timschochet]

There are very good comparisons to be made between the anti-vaccine people and the global warming denial crowd. Both groups rely on pseudoscience and bogus studies to make themselves feel better; both groups reject the real science.

 

[Bob Magaw]

I haven't read the thread, and it may be in here already, but ultimately not vaccinating kids seems like a selfish move (besides being misinformed based on non-politicized findings and whatever else we could say about it). These same parents would not want live in a world where all parents made the same decision, it would be a public health catastrophe and nightmare. THEIR OWN CHILDREN would be far more at risk of dying from a spectrum of communicable diseases that are otherwise basically eradicated when vaccines are widely employed as they are currently.

 

[T Bell]

I'm having a difficult time coming up with anything that Jenny MCcarthy is good for aside from #######.

 

[jdoggydogg]

There are very good comparisons to be made between the anti-vaccine people and the global warming denial crowd. Both groups rely on pseudoscience and bogus studies to make themselves feel better; both groups reject the real science.

 

[jdoggydogg]

I haven't read the thread, and it may be in here already, but ultimately not vaccinating kids seems like a selfish move (besides being misinformed based on non-politicized findings and whatever else we could say about it). These same parents would not want live in a world where all parents made the same decision, it would be a public health catastrophe and nightmare. THEIR OWN CHILDREN would be far more at risk of dying from a spectrum of communicable diseases that are otherwise basically eradicated when vaccines are widely employed as they are currently.

Dr. Dean Edell said that any parent not willing to vaccinate their child for whooping cough should be forced to watch a video of a child with whooping cough. Apparently, it's tragic.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

I haven't read the thread, and it may be in here already, but ultimately not vaccinating kids seems like a selfish move (besides being misinformed based on non-politicized findings and whatever else we could say about it). These same parents would not want live in a world where all parents made the same decision, it would be a public health catastrophe and nightmare. THEIR OWN CHILDREN would be far more at risk of dying from a spectrum of communicable diseases that are otherwise basically eradicated when vaccines are widely employed as they are currently.

They're the ultimate free-riders. As long as a large percentage of the population gets vaccinated it creates a firewall against a major outbreak. But if everyone behaved like the deniers we'd all be ####ed.

 

[The Dreaded Marco]

I'm having a difficult time coming up with anything that Jenny MCcarthy is good for aside from #######.

There are plenty of other people to #### in this world, and unlike McCarthy, many of them have received their HPV vaccine. It's time for this irresponsible and inaccurate one to disappear.

 

[NCCommish]

Back when I started school you had to be vaccinated or you didn't get in. If you didn't get in Social Services made a visit. If you continued to not go to school(we didn't really have home schooling back then) you went to court to explain why your child wasn't going to school. If you didn't fix it you went to jail. To me that is the way it should be, And I really hate forcing people to do stuff by making laws but we can't wait for the ignorant to stop listening to jackasses like this stupid twit famous for getting naked. There will be ever bigger outbreaks of stuff we haven't dealt with in decades. Children will die and at some point maybe lots of them. This needs to come to an end.

 

[Tick]

I haven't read the thread, and it may be in here already, but ultimately not vaccinating kids seems like a selfish move (besides being misinformed based on non-politicized findings and whatever else we could say about it). These same parents would not want live in a world where all parents made the same decision, it would be a public health catastrophe and nightmare. THEIR OWN CHILDREN would be far more at risk of dying from a spectrum of communicable diseases that are otherwise basically eradicated when vaccines are widely employed as they are currently.

They're the ultimate free-riders. As long as a large percentage of the population gets vaccinated it creates a firewall against a major outbreak. But if everyone behaved like the deniers we'd all be ####ed.

If there isn't a car waiting at a 4-way stop, you can just blow right through, right? Everyone else stops.

 

[Vike Me]

Jenny McCarthy responds to claim that her son never had autism

Stories circulating online, claiming that I said my son Evan may not have autism after all, are blatantly inaccurate and completely ridiculous. Evan was diagnosed with autism by the Autism Evaluation Clinic at the UCLA Neuropsychiatric Hospital and was confirmed by the State of California (through their Regional Center). The implication that I have changed my position, that my child was not initially diagnosed with autism (and instead may suffer from Landau-Kleffner Syndrome), is both irresponsible and inaccurate. These stories cite a "new" Time Magazine interview with me, which was actually published in 2010, that never contained any such statements by me. Continued misrepresentations, such as these, only serve to open wounds of the many families who are courageously dealing with this disorder. Please know that I am taking every legal measure necessary to set this straight.

What a dumb ####.

 

[jhib]

Great blog post on vaccinations

Another great post, this one on a really good site that may be effective in swaying some people who think they are doing the right thing by not vaccinating their children:

Growing up Unvaccinated

 

[Lutherman2112]

Great video: Healthcare Triage: Vaccines and Autism

World map of vaccine-preventable outbreaks

 

[fantasycurse42]

Putting off my sons MMR shot for 2 months now...

 

[NCCommish]

Jenny McCarthy responds to claim that her son never had autism

Stories circulating online, claiming that I said my son Evan may not have autism after all, are blatantly inaccurate and completely ridiculous. Evan was diagnosed with autism by the Autism Evaluation Clinic at the UCLA Neuropsychiatric Hospital and was confirmed by the State of California (through their Regional Center). The implication that I have changed my position, that my child was not initially diagnosed with autism (and instead may suffer from Landau-Kleffner Syndrome), is both irresponsible and inaccurate. These stories cite a "new" Time Magazine interview with me, which was actually published in 2010, that never contained any such statements by me. Continued misrepresentations, such as these, only serve to open wounds of the many families who are courageously dealing with this disorder. Please know that I am taking every legal measure necessary to set this straight.

What a dumb ####.

The thing is some kids grow out of autism. Seems like her's is one of them. She doesn't want to admit that though. Can't make money and get on shows if he just grew out of it after all.

 

[fatkid]

The flu has reached epidemic levels, and 20 children have died from it already this year. Flu shots are still available.

 

[AAABatteries]

Every time this thread gets bumped I think Dr. Who has autism.

 

[NCCommish]

The flu has reached epidemic levels, and 20 children have died from it already this year. Flu shots are still available.

The current flu vaccine is no more than 60% effective based on reports I have seen, maybe less. Practically a coin flip.

 

[parasaurolophus]

Jenny McCarthy responds to claim that her son never had autism

Stories circulating online, claiming that I said my son Evan may not have autism after all, are blatantly inaccurate and completely ridiculous. Evan was diagnosed with autism by the Autism Evaluation Clinic at the UCLA Neuropsychiatric Hospital and was confirmed by the State of California (through their Regional Center). The implication that I have changed my position, that my child was not initially diagnosed with autism (and instead may suffer from Landau-Kleffner Syndrome), is both irresponsible and inaccurate. These stories cite a "new" Time Magazine interview with me, which was actually published in 2010, that never contained any such statements by me. Continued misrepresentations, such as these, only serve to open wounds of the many families who are courageously dealing with this disorder. Please know that I am taking every legal measure necessary to set this straight.

What a dumb ####.

The thing is some kids grow out of autism. Seems like her's is one of them. She doesn't want to admit that though. Can't make money and get on shows if he just grew out of it after all.

Cant make money if it turns out he never had it either, which is what a lot of people would think. I think some people are willing to give her craziness a free pass because they feel compassion for her. If they start to question the whole thing, she looks even worse.

 

[NCCommish]

Jenny McCarthy responds to claim that her son never had autism

Stories circulating online, claiming that I said my son Evan may not have autism after all, are blatantly inaccurate and completely ridiculous. Evan was diagnosed with autism by the Autism Evaluation Clinic at the UCLA Neuropsychiatric Hospital and was confirmed by the State of California (through their Regional Center). The implication that I have changed my position, that my child was not initially diagnosed with autism (and instead may suffer from Landau-Kleffner Syndrome), is both irresponsible and inaccurate. These stories cite a "new" Time Magazine interview with me, which was actually published in 2010, that never contained any such statements by me. Continued misrepresentations, such as these, only serve to open wounds of the many families who are courageously dealing with this disorder. Please know that I am taking every legal measure necessary to set this straight.

What a dumb ####.

The thing is some kids grow out of autism. Seems like her's is one of them. She doesn't want to admit that though. Can't make money and get on shows if he just grew out of it after all.

Cant make money if it turns out he never had it either, which is what a lot of people would think. I think some people are willing to give her craziness a free pass because they feel compassion for her. If they start to question the whole thing, she looks even worse.

I recall reading he was legitimately diagnosed. But as I said up thread there is a pretty significant percentage of children that simply outgrow the symptoms. By the time they are 6 or 7 they are right where they should be.

 

[The Commish]

Anti-Vaccination Movement in a Picture