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Doctor suggests Peterson sit out the season (1 Viewer)
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PranksterJD
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Maybe I'm a hopeful owner, but I'll hold tight until I get a diagnosis from someone who's actually seen the patient.
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Rogi
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Same here. I'm sure Johnny is a smart guy, but he hasn't seen the extent of the Peterson's injury. The Vikings are optimistic about his recovery, so hopefully they're not blowing smoke.
Nigel Tufnel
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Even Peterson seems optimistic. Tough to fake that. I guess they could be lying to him, too.
I wonder if this is the same Orthopod who said Vilma will be out two years without even knowing his diagnosis. 2-4 weeks is the average time for LCL grade 2 sprain. I think some of these docs just start running just run their mouths to get quoted...
Winning IS Everything
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Mike and Mike (ESPN radio) were talking about a bunch of escalators in Peterson's contract that affect other years as well based on this year's performance. They were speculationg whether Peterson and/or his agent would push to get him on the field sooner to hit those marks......
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timschochet
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From Twin Cities. com:
The Vikings are not ruling out the possibility of rookie Adrian Peterson returning from a sprained right knee as soon as the Nov. 25 game against the New York Giants.
But a renowned orthopedic specialist said Peterson should shut it down for the rest of the 2007 season.
"It's not realistic," said Dr. Johnny Benjamin, the chief of orthopedics at Indian River Medical Center in Vero Beach, Fla. "Saying it's a Grade 2-plus (tear) is the doctors trying to give coach (Brad) Childress and all the Viking faithful some hope.
"But it's a torn ligament, and a torn ligament is going to take six weeks to heal. And that's for someone like a doctor or news writer, who doesn't go out there and make cuts like Adrian Peterson obviously does."
Peterson and the Vikings were relieved Monday morning when a magnetic resonance imaging exam confirmed that the running back tore his lateral collateral ligament, the least debilitating of the four ligaments in the knee, during the third quarter of a 34-0 loss to the Green Bay Packers on Sunday.
Childress, who ruled Peterson out for Sunday's home game against the Oakland Raiders, and head athletic trainer Eric Sugarman declined to provide a timetable. But Sugarman said Peterson "absolutely has a chance" to play against the Giants, "unless there's some crazy setback."
"It is not a season-ending injury," Sugarman said. "It just is not."
Childress acknowledged that Peterson could do more damage by returning too soon, and he added, "We're not going to put him out there until he can protect himself."
Benjamin said Peterson could return this season - the Vikings have seven games left - but he said the risk isn't worth taking.
"If you're looking out for that young man's career, you'd shut him down," said Benjamin, who works with the Los Angeles Dodgers during spring training and has worked with, among others, former Vikings quarterback Daunte Culpepper and Denver Nuggets guard Allen Iverson. "But if coach Childress is looking for his job security, then you're trying to figure out a way to get him back on the field.
"If treated properly, Adrian Peterson will be the beast he's always been," Benjamin said. "But if treated improperly, this could be a nagging injury and impact his career, and he may never be the same. He is maybe the best rookie ever. Why would you take a chance on his career by bringing him back too early?"
Peterson said he was thankful that it was "just a sprain," admitting that he initially feared that he suffered a more serious knee injury. He didn't sleep well Sunday night, and he was nervous about his Monday morning MRI.
A few hours later, Peterson was upbeat, and he insisted the injury scare wouldn't affect his psyche or aggressive running style.
"That's me. That's how I run the ball," Peterson said. "I can't do anything about a guy coming and hitting me in my legs. It's football."
Asked if he had any fear of injuries, Peterson said, "That's not something I think about.
"I don't go out there and be worried about getting injured, because nine times out of 10, that's how you get injured," he said. "I just go out there and play fast, and let things happen."
Peterson said he would trust Sugarman and the Vikings' medical staff to help him get back onto the football field. But it is common for injured players to seek a second opinion, especially on a day off like today.
Sugarman said offensive linemen, with a brace, could play with the injury as soon as Sunday. In October 2002, Packers quarterback Brett Favre suffered an LCL sprain, rested during the bye week, then continued his record streak of consecutive games played.
Sugarman said Peterson's knee needs to be more stable than either an offensive lineman's or a quarterback's.
"He is an aggressive, violent runner," Sugarman said. "He's not physically able to do that (cut) yet. You've got to let the trauma settle down."
Benjamin said an LCL tear can heal if "given the proper time," but he added that there are no exercises or magic elixirs to expedite the process.
"You don't want to stress it," Benjamin said. "Let it quiet down. Get it nice and strong and tight again."
There is another challenge, Benjamin said: Even if Peterson's knee heals, his fitness could suffer because his workout options would be limited.
"He may be able to swim and ride a bike and do Pilates," Benjamin said, "but football has that added dimension, and that's contact."
Benjamin pointed to players who miss a significant chunk of training camp but keep working out. "It's not the same," Benjamin said. "You got to get back in football shape."
With 1,081 yards, Peterson leads the NFL in rushing, and he's still on pace to break Eric Dickerson's rookie record of 1,808. But Benjamin said that shouldn't matter.
"Why push him for a rookie record?" Benjamin said. "Part of the issue with professional sports is, there are a lot of things that come into play, and it usually relates to dollars and cents. If I was Adrian's uncle, there would be no way I would advise him (to play)."
The Vikings are not ruling out the possibility of rookie Adrian Peterson returning from a sprained right knee as soon as the Nov. 25 game against the New York Giants.
But a renowned orthopedic specialist said Peterson should shut it down for the rest of the 2007 season.
"It's not realistic," said Dr. Johnny Benjamin, the chief of orthopedics at Indian River Medical Center in Vero Beach, Fla. "Saying it's a Grade 2-plus (tear) is the doctors trying to give coach (Brad) Childress and all the Viking faithful some hope.
"But it's a torn ligament, and a torn ligament is going to take six weeks to heal. And that's for someone like a doctor or news writer, who doesn't go out there and make cuts like Adrian Peterson obviously does."
Peterson and the Vikings were relieved Monday morning when a magnetic resonance imaging exam confirmed that the running back tore his lateral collateral ligament, the least debilitating of the four ligaments in the knee, during the third quarter of a 34-0 loss to the Green Bay Packers on Sunday.
Childress, who ruled Peterson out for Sunday's home game against the Oakland Raiders, and head athletic trainer Eric Sugarman declined to provide a timetable. But Sugarman said Peterson "absolutely has a chance" to play against the Giants, "unless there's some crazy setback."
"It is not a season-ending injury," Sugarman said. "It just is not."
Childress acknowledged that Peterson could do more damage by returning too soon, and he added, "We're not going to put him out there until he can protect himself."
Benjamin said Peterson could return this season - the Vikings have seven games left - but he said the risk isn't worth taking.
"If you're looking out for that young man's career, you'd shut him down," said Benjamin, who works with the Los Angeles Dodgers during spring training and has worked with, among others, former Vikings quarterback Daunte Culpepper and Denver Nuggets guard Allen Iverson. "But if coach Childress is looking for his job security, then you're trying to figure out a way to get him back on the field.
"If treated properly, Adrian Peterson will be the beast he's always been," Benjamin said. "But if treated improperly, this could be a nagging injury and impact his career, and he may never be the same. He is maybe the best rookie ever. Why would you take a chance on his career by bringing him back too early?"
Peterson said he was thankful that it was "just a sprain," admitting that he initially feared that he suffered a more serious knee injury. He didn't sleep well Sunday night, and he was nervous about his Monday morning MRI.
A few hours later, Peterson was upbeat, and he insisted the injury scare wouldn't affect his psyche or aggressive running style.
"That's me. That's how I run the ball," Peterson said. "I can't do anything about a guy coming and hitting me in my legs. It's football."
Asked if he had any fear of injuries, Peterson said, "That's not something I think about.
"I don't go out there and be worried about getting injured, because nine times out of 10, that's how you get injured," he said. "I just go out there and play fast, and let things happen."
Peterson said he would trust Sugarman and the Vikings' medical staff to help him get back onto the football field. But it is common for injured players to seek a second opinion, especially on a day off like today.
Sugarman said offensive linemen, with a brace, could play with the injury as soon as Sunday. In October 2002, Packers quarterback Brett Favre suffered an LCL sprain, rested during the bye week, then continued his record streak of consecutive games played.
Sugarman said Peterson's knee needs to be more stable than either an offensive lineman's or a quarterback's.
"He is an aggressive, violent runner," Sugarman said. "He's not physically able to do that (cut) yet. You've got to let the trauma settle down."
Benjamin said an LCL tear can heal if "given the proper time," but he added that there are no exercises or magic elixirs to expedite the process.
"You don't want to stress it," Benjamin said. "Let it quiet down. Get it nice and strong and tight again."
There is another challenge, Benjamin said: Even if Peterson's knee heals, his fitness could suffer because his workout options would be limited.
"He may be able to swim and ride a bike and do Pilates," Benjamin said, "but football has that added dimension, and that's contact."
Benjamin pointed to players who miss a significant chunk of training camp but keep working out. "It's not the same," Benjamin said. "You got to get back in football shape."
With 1,081 yards, Peterson leads the NFL in rushing, and he's still on pace to break Eric Dickerson's rookie record of 1,808. But Benjamin said that shouldn't matter.
"Why push him for a rookie record?" Benjamin said. "Part of the issue with professional sports is, there are a lot of things that come into play, and it usually relates to dollars and cents. If I was Adrian's uncle, there would be no way I would advise him (to play)."
Nigel Tufnel
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This guy needs to shut up.
snogger
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How the F does he know what it is? He hasn't looked at the MRI.. IMO this doctor is out to get his name out there. If Peterson returns and is fine he can just
& say " it must not have been as bad as I feared.. Good for him ".. But if Peterson has a set back during rehab and than the Vikes sit him out the rest of the year he can say "I told you so!!"Win-win for him and his future .. 
timschochet
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Sounds like a Peterson owner to me. Sure, run him into the ground, and ruin his career, just so you can win your league this year, right? Nothing else matters.How the F does he know what it is? He hasn't looked at the MRI.. IMO this doctor is out to get his name out there. If Peterson returns and is fine he can just
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Nigel
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No reputable doc, or professional of any kind for that matter, keeps the extra "ny" on the end of his name through adulthood. This guy is a ####### joke.This guy needs to shut up.
Nigel Tufnel
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No reputable doc, or professional of any kind for that matter, keeps the extra "ny" on the end of his name through adulthood. This guy is a ####### joke.This guy needs to shut up.
Quack.
timschochet
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I'm glad the two Nigels agree. But if the guy works with the Dodgers, then he's hardly a quack. I strongly suspect ADP is done for the year...No reputable doc, or professional of any kind for that matter, keeps the extra "ny" on the end of his name through adulthood. This guy is a ####### joke.This guy needs to shut up.
Quack.
Did some research, this is the same idiot that said Vilma would be out 2 years without even knowing the injury. I am also curious what makes him "a noted orthopedic specialist."http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/jet...story?track=rssNo reputable doc, or professional of any kind for that matter, keeps the extra "ny" on the end of his name through adulthood. This guy is a ####### joke.This guy needs to shut up.
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Nigel
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OK Timmy.I'm glad the two Nigels agree. But if the guy works with the Dodgers, then he's hardly a quack. I strongly suspect ADP is done for the year...No reputable doc, or professional of any kind for that matter, keeps the extra "ny" on the end of his name through adulthood. This guy is a ####### joke.This guy needs to shut up.
snogger
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Sounds like a Peterson owner to me. Sure, run him into the ground, and ruin his career, just so you can win your league this year, right? Nothing else matters.How the F does he know what it is? He hasn't looked at the MRI.. IMO this doctor is out to get his name out there. If Peterson returns and is fine he can just
I am a Viking fan first and foremost.. So you can take those comments and.......................Again, I don't care if he has seen a Million LCL injuries. Each one is different, each person heals differently.This guy has not seen the MRI, has not talked to the Doctors/trainers that dealt with ADP, has not met with ADP. He has no clue how severe or not the injury is. You on the other hand must have some investment in his services seeing as you are ready to defend him to the end. 
southeastjerome
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This guy sounds like he likes to talk, maybe he's trying to make a bigger name for himself. I'm sure there are other doctors out there that would agree with or be more optimistic about the actual doctor that saw the MRI!
snogger
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OK Timmy.I'm glad the two Nigels agree. But if the guy works with the Dodgers, then he's hardly a quack. I strongly suspect ADP is done for the year...No reputable doc, or professional of any kind for that matter, keeps the extra "ny" on the end of his name through adulthood. This guy is a ####### joke.This guy needs to shut up.
Franknbeans
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From what I read, AP wanted to go back in the 4th quarter.
timschochet
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Sure, I'm biased about this. Three weeks ago, I traded ADP to my main competitor in my league, and I was regretting it. So though of course I don't want anything bad to happen to ADP long term, I wouldn't mind if he sat down the rest of this year.
that being said, what the doctor said makes some sense, even if you think he's a quack. The Vikings aren't going to the playoffs this year. Why take any chance at all with this guy? Why risk the future? If I were Vikings ownership, I'd shut him down and finda QB in the offseason. That's my honest take...
that being said, what the doctor said makes some sense, even if you think he's a quack. The Vikings aren't going to the playoffs this year. Why take any chance at all with this guy? Why risk the future? If I were Vikings ownership, I'd shut him down and finda QB in the offseason. That's my honest take...
snogger
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Would have to research others with just a LCL tear.Usually when the LCL gets injured other ligaments(PCL, ACL, MCL) are also injured. In this case everything on the MRI showed he was lucky and only the LCL was injured.
Fear & Loathing
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Nigel Tufnel
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Yeah, I agree. It's a weird ligament, though. I guess we'll just have to see. There's got to be precedent somewhere, though, right? Any other athletes rip this thing, that anyone can remember or find?
snogger
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On the first part.. :X
On the 2nd part.. They probably won't be ready to compete for the Super Bowl next year either so why take the chance? Rest him until 2009. 
If he is 100% healthy there is no reason at all not to play him.
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Pygmy Marmoset
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Fixed.
snogger
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Limp Ditka
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For all any of us know, they could be the 30th ranked PT and rehab teams in the NFL. Are they one of the greatest in the world anymore if that's the case?
Burning Sensation
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Umm, because AD's doctor said so.You guys do know that no matter how much you deny what is going on, the injury will not go away.How the F does he know what it is? He hasn't looked at the MRI.. IMO this doctor is out to get his name out there.
If Peterson returns and is fine he can just
But if Peterson has a set back during rehab and than the Vikes sit him out the rest of the year he can say "I told you so!!"
Win-win for him and his future
I suffered briefly through injury denial after AJ's week two injury. I was sure anyone who said the injury was only going to keep him out a game or two was telling truth. Anyone who said he could miss 6-8 weeks was a damb liar!!!!
AD owners, you might want to get used to the fact of finishing the season without AD.
timschochet
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Makes no sense. How can he be "100% healthy" after a knee tear? There's a good chance if you play him too soon, he won't be 100% healthy ever again.On the first part..
snogger
Footballguy
No.. the report was a grade 2+.. this doctor is saying that was just being kind to make it sound better for us.. He has no idea how bad the injury is or is not and therefore shouldn't be saying "They are just being nice" on how the report the injury.Also.. you all need to stop thinking that only ADP owners are arguing this. I have him on only one of 4 teams and that team is already out of the running due to losing SS, Frank Gore and other bad decisions During the draft.(insertUmm, because AD's doctor said so.You guys do know that no matter how much you deny what is going on, the injury will not go away.How the F does he know what it is? He hasn't looked at the MRI.. IMO this doctor is out to get his name out there.
If Peterson returns and is fine he can just
But if Peterson has a set back during rehab and than the Vikes sit him out the rest of the year he can say "I told you so!!"
Win-win for him and his future
I suffered briefly through injury denial after AJ's week two injury. I was sure anyone who said the injury was only going to keep him out a game or two was telling truth. Anyone who said he could miss 6-8 weeks was a damb liar!!!!
AD owners, you might want to get used to the fact of finishing the season without AD.
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LCL tears are actually pretty unusual in football because they occur when the medial portion of the knee joint (inside of the knee joint) is hit. By the reports I have heard this is exactly what happened with ADP. I am not sure if LCL tears necessarily occur with other ligament tears like in other injuries (ie unhappy triad ACL/MCL/medial meniscus.)
Pygmy Marmoset
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Yes. Any NFL team rehab facility and physical therapy regimen is one of the best in the world.
Steelnation
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Anyone that believes the ADP is going to come back and help them win a FF championship is in a serious state of denial.
Sure he may come back, but by the time he does, you are talking divisional playoffs or the actual FF Superbowl.......are you really going to expect him to make a difference?
And all this crap about incentives on his contarct...F THAT, the Vikings need to protect that young man and his agent needs to shut the #### up......
Sure he may come back, but by the time he does, you are talking divisional playoffs or the actual FF Superbowl.......are you really going to expect him to make a difference?
And all this crap about incentives on his contarct...F THAT, the Vikings need to protect that young man and his agent needs to shut the #### up......
sholditch
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Guys, from a realistic perspective, what possible reasons do the Vikes have to put him on the field again this season? It makes no sense. First of all, this team is actually behind the #######g Bears in their division. Even if Apete could return November 25, which would be only two weeks of recovery time, you're looking at a team that will likely be 3-7, dead last in the NFC North, and facing the Giants and then Detroit. If we take the loss to Oakland as a gimme, the best possible scenario is to finish 9-7, and that's taking that this team will beat the Giants, Denver, Washington, and Detroit. They aren't unwinnable games, but anyone who has seen the Vikes play this year will tell you there is 0 chance of them running the table at the end of the season, even with a 100% healthy Apete out there. Even if they did run the table, they would need near collapses from the Giants and Lions to even have a shot at getting a wild card bid. And if they did, does anyone actually think they would beat the Seahawks?
They say there is no risk of reinjury, but come on, how can there not be if they're putting him back on the field after two weeks, and expect him to carry the entire team? And all that for a miniscule chance of making the playoffs so they can get embarrassed once they get there? Unless they are simply concerned about giving their fans a show (which is more likely) I think they should shut him down. Why risk the future of the franchise for a lost season?
They say there is no risk of reinjury, but come on, how can there not be if they're putting him back on the field after two weeks, and expect him to carry the entire team? And all that for a miniscule chance of making the playoffs so they can get embarrassed once they get there? Unless they are simply concerned about giving their fans a show (which is more likely) I think they should shut him down. Why risk the future of the franchise for a lost season?
snogger
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After all the years here I'm 99% sure I know what is going on in here..
If ADP returns before the end of the year and is fine all year those posting he is done will just huh, what oh that.. I was just throwing things around.. 
But, if he has a set back during rehab or just isn't able to heal you will return to bump this thread to say "See I told ya so!!!"
If ADP returns before the end of the year and is fine all year those posting he is done will just
huh, what oh that.. I was just throwing things around.. But, if he has a set back during rehab or just isn't able to heal you will return to bump this thread to say "See I told ya so!!!"
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snogger
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When(<<notice I said When
) he returns I don't expect him to get more than 15 carries per game. The rest of the year will be a RBBC with Taylor.
snogger
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Still trying to wrap my head around this way of thinking..So in your mind, once a team is out of the running for the playoffs, any player that has any future at all should sit because, well, what's the use of risking an injury if there is nothing to gain for the team.. right??No, you don't rush him back.. But if in 4 weeks his knee has healed, he is able to run with no pain or swelling than why not let him return?? Sure he could get injured.. But he could also wake up tomorrow morning and trip over his dog.
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Burning Sensation
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What would scare me as a MG owner is him always being a part of RBBC due to his injury history. He has proven he is plenty good enough to still put up solid FF numbers despite sharing the load, but it would certainly have an adverse affect on his future FF production.When(<<notice I said When
Texican
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We're talking about Purple Jesus here
Max Power
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Johnny Cochran did alrightNo reputable doc, or professional of any kind for that matter, keeps the extra "ny" on the end of his name through adulthood. This guy is a ####### joke.This guy needs to shut up.
Steelnation
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exactly my man
timschochet
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TheFanatic
Footballguy
I think he's out too. Who says it's a 2+ tear on a scale from 1-3. It's either a 2 or a 3. It sounds like it's closer to 3 than 2. That would seem to me that this is much worse than a week to week or day to day type injury. This guy is primed to be something really special. It's been a while since a rookie stormed through the NFL like this. For a team not going to the playoffs, forcing the kid back on the field early by the team or the agent is just stupid to me. That team is a QB and a WR away from dominance with that D and running game. They don't need Steve Young, they need Trent Dilfer. Just someone that doesn't make mistakes but won't win the game. The D and the running game will win games...I'm glad the two Nigels agree. But if the guy works with the Dodgers, then he's hardly a quack. I strongly suspect ADP is done for the year...No reputable doc, or professional of any kind for that matter, keeps the extra "ny" on the end of his name through adulthood. This guy is a ####### joke.This guy needs to shut up.Quack.
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