Doctor suggests Peterson sit out the season (1 Viewer)

[Max Power]

People,Coming from a decade of orthopedic background I can tell you that tearing an LCL alone happens all the time.

Have you treated any professional athletes in your decade of medical work? I'm not trying to be a d**k here. Honest. But professional athletes are a different breed of human than the average person. They are paid to have their bodies in peak physical condition and the rules that apply to you and me don't always apply to them.Again, I'm not trying to diminish your comments. They are greatly appreciated and add more depth to the story. But I do think in order to paint a clearer picture we need to understand the difference between the average person's ability to recover from an injury and a professional athlete. I mentioned Reggie White's injury earlier and someone else mentioned the injury to Brett Favre. Both are examples of professional athletes recovering much quicker from an injury than the average person could ever have hoped to.

If the medical consensus is that a 2+ tear takes 6 weeks to fully recover, I would think its 6 weeks regardless of who you are. Athletes are still human.

Yes they are but they are also typically in peak physical condition - unlike the average person. I think it's important to realize that and take that into consideration in order to paint as complete a picture as possible.

Being in peak physical condition doesn't cut your recovery time in half. And also consider that a normal person just needs to recover to the point where they can walk. A NFL running back needs to recover to the point where they can go out and take a hit from 220+ linebackers for 10+ times a game.

I'm not trying to diminish the severity of all this. I'm just not sure that taking the word of a doctor who hasn't examined Peterson as gospel is the way to go. I think a lot of factors need to be taken into consideration.

True but I think you have to look at this from everyones shoes. Doctors - care about the players health above everything elseVikes management - wants him back in to sell more ticketsChildress - wants him back in to improve W/L recordADP - Wants back in to earn incentives.The above reasons are why I tend to agree slightly with this doctor. Although it does still bother me that he has not looked at the MRI. 6 weeks might be the right thing to do, but that doesnt mean it will happen.

 

[Lemmiwinks]

Sorry, but tell me who pays the doctor who did Peterson's MRI? The Vikings? And who pays the trainer who said he'll be back on the field by next week? Oh, the Vikings as well. And who sends players back on the field a week after a concussion? Oh right, doctors who are employed by the team...

CONFLICT OF INTEREST! The NFL needs to set up a system for independent doctors that are paid by the league and not individual teams who are biased.

 

[Donnybrook]

True but I think you have to look at this from everyones shoes. Doctors - care about the players health above everything elseVikes management - wants him back in to sell more ticketsChildress - wants him back in to improve W/L recordADP - Wants back in to earn incentives.The above reasons are why I tend to agree slightly with this doctor. Although it does still bother me that he has not looked at the MRI. 6 weeks might be the right thing to do, but that doesnt mean it will happen.

Viking Fan - wants Vikings to get a top draft pick and won't be sorry if Childress is fired. I agree with the good doctor.

 

[Pictus Cat]

One week. Two weeks. Four weeks. Six weeks. Seems like I've heard all of these.

The two things ADP has going for him are youth and elite medical support.

I think if there is a range of possible weeks, he should be at the low end.

Besides, he has experience with this whole healing thing. That's a joke son, a joke.

 

[Pygmy Marmoset]

Being in peak physical condition doesn't cut your recovery time in half. And also consider that a normal person just needs to recover to the point where they can walk. A NFL running back needs to recover to the point where they can go out and take a hit from 220+ linebackers for 10+ times a game.

Maybe he'll borrow T.O.'s hyperbaric chamber.

 

[packersfan]

People,Coming from a decade of orthopedic background I can tell you that tearing an LCL alone happens all the time.

Have you treated any professional athletes in your decade of medical work? I'm not trying to be a d**k here. Honest. But professional athletes are a different breed of human than the average person. They are paid to have their bodies in peak physical condition and the rules that apply to you and me don't always apply to them.Again, I'm not trying to diminish your comments. They are greatly appreciated and add more depth to the story. But I do think in order to paint a clearer picture we need to understand the difference between the average person's ability to recover from an injury and a professional athlete. I mentioned Reggie White's injury earlier and someone else mentioned the injury to Brett Favre. Both are examples of professional athletes recovering much quicker from an injury than the average person could ever have hoped to.

If the medical consensus is that a 2+ tear takes 6 weeks to fully recover, I would think its 6 weeks regardless of who you are. Athletes are still human.

Yes they are but they are also typically in peak physical condition - unlike the average person. I think it's important to realize that and take that into consideration in order to paint as complete a picture as possible.

Being in peak physical condition doesn't cut your recovery time in half. And also consider that a normal person just needs to recover to the point where they can walk. A NFL running back needs to recover to the point where they can go out and take a hit from 220+ linebackers for 10+ times a game.

I'm not trying to diminish the severity of all this. I'm just not sure that taking the word of a doctor who hasn't examined Peterson as gospel is the way to go. I think a lot of factors need to be taken into consideration.

True but I think you have to look at this from everyones shoes. Doctors - care about the players health above everything elseVikes management - wants him back in to sell more ticketsChildress - wants him back in to improve W/L recordADP - Wants back in to earn incentives.The above reasons are why I tend to agree slightly with this doctor. Although it does still bother me that he has not looked at the MRI. 6 weeks might be the right thing to do, but that doesnt mean it will happen.

I'm just leery of putting faith in a doctor who hasn't examined Peterson and has no direct knowledge of the injury. It's like the Reggie White example I cited when a very prominent doctor in the Milwaukee area offered a diagnosis that proved to be wildly off base.

 

[cartel]

People,Coming from a decade of orthopedic background I can tell you that tearing an LCL alone happens all the time. There is combination injuries where players tear their MCL and their medial meniscus (among other structures)but that is more rare than just tearing one ligament. If it is in fact a grade 2+ tear, that means that 2/3rds of the ligament is torn. This does not take 2 weeks to heal. The doctor that mentioned that it takes 6 weeks to heal is correct. He doesn't need to see an MRI to tell you that. He is just mentioning that if AP does in fact have a 2+ tear of the LCL then it WILL take 6 weeks to heal properly. Now, having said that AP can come back and play but his pain level will be up there and his chances of completely tearing the LCL go up dramatically, but that might be a chance that AP wants to take for the money involved and for the rookie rushing record to fall as well. However, I wouldn't be surprised that with the amount of torsion RB's put through their knees, that he wouldn't completely tear it in one game with one big cut.

Thanks raven

 

[TinHat]

If I were Childress, I'd shut him down.

It's not like they're going to make a playoff run this year, and he has a responsibility to the organization and the player to not push this,

 

[packersfan]

Dr. James Andrews, the world’s foremost authority on sports injuries, said today in a statement provided to the Vikings that RB Adrian Peterson’s right knee injury should be evaluated on a “week-to-week basis.” Andrews’ evaluation jibes with the Vikings’ original position that Peterson will recover in time to play again this season.

The full text of the statement, which is addressed to the Vikings:

“I have reviewed Adrian’s MRI and agree with your assessment and diagnosis. I agree that you are taking the correct approach. He has an isolated injury to his lateral collateral ligament. He should be re-evaluated on a week-to-week basis and be allowed to progress as his symptoms allow.”

Coach Brad Childress and athletic trainer Eric Sugarman both said Monday that it was possible Peterson could return in time for the Nov. 25 game against the New York Giants. In any event, Sugarman said the relatively minor nature of the injury meant that Peterson would “absolutely, without question” get back on the field at some point this season unless he suffered a “crazy setback.” The full article can be read here.

The Vikings provided Andrews’ independent assessment one day after a Florida doctor — who had neither examined Peterson nor viewed his medical records — asserted in a published report that Peterson shouldn’t play again this season.

Link

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

Dr. James Andrews, the world’s foremost authority on sports injuries, said today in a statement provided to the Vikings that RB Adrian Peterson’s right knee injury should be evaluated on a “week-to-week basis.” Andrews’ evaluation jibes with the Vikings’ original position that Peterson will recover in time to play again this season.

The full text of the statement, which is addressed to the Vikings:

“I have reviewed Adrian’s MRI and agree with your assessment and diagnosis. I agree that you are taking the correct approach. He has an isolated injury to his lateral collateral ligament. He should be re-evaluated on a week-to-week basis and be allowed to progress as his symptoms allow.”

Coach Brad Childress and athletic trainer Eric Sugarman both said Monday that it was possible Peterson could return in time for the Nov. 25 game against the New York Giants. In any event, Sugarman said the relatively minor nature of the injury meant that Peterson would “absolutely, without question” get back on the field at some point this season unless he suffered a “crazy setback.” The full article can be read here.

The Vikings provided Andrews’ independent assessment one day after a Florida doctor — who had neither examined Peterson nor viewed his medical records — asserted in a published report that Peterson shouldn’t play again this season.

Link

That should shut people up for a while.

 

[packersfan]

Dr. James Andrews, the world’s foremost authority on sports injuries, said today in a statement provided to the Vikings that RB Adrian Peterson’s right knee injury should be evaluated on a “week-to-week basis.” Andrews’ evaluation jibes with the Vikings’ original position that Peterson will recover in time to play again this season.

The full text of the statement, which is addressed to the Vikings:

“I have reviewed Adrian’s MRI and agree with your assessment and diagnosis. I agree that you are taking the correct approach. He has an isolated injury to his lateral collateral ligament. He should be re-evaluated on a week-to-week basis and be allowed to progress as his symptoms allow.”

Coach Brad Childress and athletic trainer Eric Sugarman both said Monday that it was possible Peterson could return in time for the Nov. 25 game against the New York Giants. In any event, Sugarman said the relatively minor nature of the injury meant that Peterson would “absolutely, without question” get back on the field at some point this season unless he suffered a “crazy setback.” The full article can be read here.

The Vikings provided Andrews’ independent assessment one day after a Florida doctor — who had neither examined Peterson nor viewed his medical records — asserted in a published report that Peterson shouldn’t play again this season.

Link

That should shut people up for a while.

And this is why it pays to take the word of someone who has no first-hand knowledge of the situation with a very large grain of salt.

 

[Devius]

Dr. James Andrews, the world’s foremost authority on sports injuries, said today in a statement provided to the Vikings that RB Adrian Peterson’s right knee injury should be evaluated on a “week-to-week basis.” Andrews’ evaluation jibes with the Vikings’ original position that Peterson will recover in time to play again this season.

The full text of the statement, which is addressed to the Vikings:

“I have reviewed Adrian’s MRI and agree with your assessment and diagnosis. I agree that you are taking the correct approach. He has an isolated injury to his lateral collateral ligament. He should be re-evaluated on a week-to-week basis and be allowed to progress as his symptoms allow.”

Coach Brad Childress and athletic trainer Eric Sugarman both said Monday that it was possible Peterson could return in time for the Nov. 25 game against the New York Giants. In any event, Sugarman said the relatively minor nature of the injury meant that Peterson would “absolutely, without question” get back on the field at some point this season unless he suffered a “crazy setback.” The full article can be read here.

The Vikings provided Andrews’ independent assessment one day after a Florida doctor — who had neither examined Peterson nor viewed his medical records — asserted in a published report that Peterson shouldn’t play again this season.

Link

That should shut people up for a while.

this is extremely reassuring thanks!

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

Dr. James Andrews, the world’s foremost authority on sports injuries, said today in a statement provided to the Vikings that RB Adrian Peterson’s right knee injury should be evaluated on a “week-to-week basis.” Andrews’ evaluation jibes with the Vikings’ original position that Peterson will recover in time to play again this season.

The full text of the statement, which is addressed to the Vikings:

“I have reviewed Adrian’s MRI and agree with your assessment and diagnosis. I agree that you are taking the correct approach. He has an isolated injury to his lateral collateral ligament. He should be re-evaluated on a week-to-week basis and be allowed to progress as his symptoms allow.”

Coach Brad Childress and athletic trainer Eric Sugarman both said Monday that it was possible Peterson could return in time for the Nov. 25 game against the New York Giants. In any event, Sugarman said the relatively minor nature of the injury meant that Peterson would “absolutely, without question” get back on the field at some point this season unless he suffered a “crazy setback.” The full article can be read here.

The Vikings provided Andrews’ independent assessment one day after a Florida doctor — who had neither examined Peterson nor viewed his medical records — asserted in a published report that Peterson shouldn’t play again this season.

Link

That should shut people up for a while.

And this is why it pays to take the word of someone who has no first-hand knowledge of the situation with a very large grain of salt.

Nice find.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Dr. James Andrews, the world’s foremost authority on sports injuries, said today in a statement provided to the Vikings that RB Adrian Peterson’s right knee injury should be evaluated on a “week-to-week basis.” Andrews’ evaluation jibes with the Vikings’ original position that Peterson will recover in time to play again this season.

The full text of the statement, which is addressed to the Vikings:

“I have reviewed Adrian’s MRI and agree with your assessment and diagnosis. I agree that you are taking the correct approach. He has an isolated injury to his lateral collateral ligament. He should be re-evaluated on a week-to-week basis and be allowed to progress as his symptoms allow.”

Coach Brad Childress and athletic trainer Eric Sugarman both said Monday that it was possible Peterson could return in time for the Nov. 25 game against the New York Giants. In any event, Sugarman said the relatively minor nature of the injury meant that Peterson would “absolutely, without question” get back on the field at some point this season unless he suffered a “crazy setback.” The full article can be read here.

The Vikings provided Andrews’ independent assessment one day after a Florida doctor — who had neither examined Peterson nor viewed his medical records — asserted in a published report that Peterson shouldn’t play again this season.

Link

That should shut people up for a while.

And this is why it pays to take the word of someone who has no first-hand knowledge of the situation with a very large grain of salt.

I have ADP, and losing him for any amount of time will hurt, so take this with a grain of salt, but neither doctors' prognosis is mutually exclusive. Andrews is simply saying to evaluate him weekly, and let his symptoms dictate his timetable. The previous doc is saying, based on his experience, ADP's symptoms will last 4-6 weeks. Andrews does not contradict this. Just because you evaluate weekly does not mean the injury heals faster. I'd stay away from the team trainer's diagnosis - a bit biased.Again, I hope ADP can get back on the field ASAP, but I am not going to hold my breath. I do think/hope that if he is healthy, the Vikes will put him back on the field; but, I do not think they will rush him.

 

[packersfan]

It's too soon to say how this is going to play out and as a Peterson owner I'm preparing for the worst and hoping for the best. However, the two doctors clearly have different prognosis:

1. The doctor who has no firsthand knowledge of Peterson's injury says he should be shut down.

2. The doctor who has firsthand knowledge agrees with the Vikings' assessment that Peterson will definitely play again this season - perhaps by Week 13.

Pretty significant difference of opinion if you ask me. And while I'm definitely biased here as a Peterson owner I do belief it's far more prudent to believe the word of the doctor who has firsthand knowledge of the situation as opposed to the one who doesn't.

Your mileage may vary.

 

[cartel]

Dr. James Andrews, the world’s foremost authority on sports injuries, said today in a statement provided to the Vikings that RB Adrian Peterson’s right knee injury should be evaluated on a “week-to-week basis.” Andrews’ evaluation jibes with the Vikings’ original position that Peterson will recover in time to play again this season.

The full text of the statement, which is addressed to the Vikings:

“I have reviewed Adrian’s MRI and agree with your assessment and diagnosis. I agree that you are taking the correct approach. He has an isolated injury to his lateral collateral ligament. He should be re-evaluated on a week-to-week basis and be allowed to progress as his symptoms allow.”

Coach Brad Childress and athletic trainer Eric Sugarman both said Monday that it was possible Peterson could return in time for the Nov. 25 game against the New York Giants. In any event, Sugarman said the relatively minor nature of the injury meant that Peterson would “absolutely, without question” get back on the field at some point this season unless he suffered a “crazy setback.” The full article can be read here.

The Vikings provided Andrews’ independent assessment one day after a Florida doctor — who had neither examined Peterson nor viewed his medical records — asserted in a published report that Peterson shouldn’t play again this season.

Link

That should shut people up for a while.

Whom do you want to shut up? Some of the info posted in here was from folks that work in the field (Raven) and was based on the prognosis for that type of injury that was reported in the media. If the injury is different from what is being reported then it is impossible to make an accurate prognosis. I have done some sports medicine (and no none on any pro athletes) and think it would be pushing it to have him back in two weeks. Can he run? yes. If he was a QB could he sit back in the pocket and pass? probably But juking and cutting on a incompletely healed LCL is going to be tough IMO. As I have said in other posts I would like to know the context that this Florida Doc is making his assessments (second one I have seen by him in two weeks). Is he being asked in an interview for some weekly sports show or is he just throwing this crap out there to see if he gets attention?

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

Dr. James Andrews, the world’s foremost authority on sports injuries, said today in a statement provided to the Vikings that RB Adrian Peterson’s right knee injury should be evaluated on a “week-to-week basis.” Andrews’ evaluation jibes with the Vikings’ original position that Peterson will recover in time to play again this season.

The full text of the statement, which is addressed to the Vikings:

“I have reviewed Adrian’s MRI and agree with your assessment and diagnosis. I agree that you are taking the correct approach. He has an isolated injury to his lateral collateral ligament. He should be re-evaluated on a week-to-week basis and be allowed to progress as his symptoms allow.”

Coach Brad Childress and athletic trainer Eric Sugarman both said Monday that it was possible Peterson could return in time for the Nov. 25 game against the New York Giants. In any event, Sugarman said the relatively minor nature of the injury meant that Peterson would “absolutely, without question” get back on the field at some point this season unless he suffered a “crazy setback.” The full article can be read here.

The Vikings provided Andrews’ independent assessment one day after a Florida doctor — who had neither examined Peterson nor viewed his medical records — asserted in a published report that Peterson shouldn’t play again this season.

Link

That should shut people up for a while.

Whom do you want to shut up?

People suggesting he should be shut down regardless. Those that disagree with the Vikings staff. The premier authority hath spoken.

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

Dr. James Andrews, the world’s foremost authority on sports injuries, said today in a statement provided to the Vikings that RB Adrian Peterson’s right knee injury should be evaluated on a “week-to-week basis.” Andrews’ evaluation jibes with the Vikings’ original position that Peterson will recover in time to play again this season.

The full text of the statement, which is addressed to the Vikings:

“I have reviewed Adrian’s MRI and agree with your assessment and diagnosis. I agree that you are taking the correct approach. He has an isolated injury to his lateral collateral ligament. He should be re-evaluated on a week-to-week basis and be allowed to progress as his symptoms allow.”

Coach Brad Childress and athletic trainer Eric Sugarman both said Monday that it was possible Peterson could return in time for the Nov. 25 game against the New York Giants. In any event, Sugarman said the relatively minor nature of the injury meant that Peterson would “absolutely, without question” get back on the field at some point this season unless he suffered a “crazy setback.” The full article can be read here.

The Vikings provided Andrews’ independent assessment one day after a Florida doctor — who had neither examined Peterson nor viewed his medical records — asserted in a published report that Peterson shouldn’t play again this season.

Link

That should shut people up for a while.

Whom do you want to shut up?

People suggesting he should be shut down regardless. Those that disagree with the Vikings staff. The premier authority hath spoken.

Shucks, he even bothered to look at the MRI.

 

[cartel]

Dr. James Andrews, the world’s foremost authority on sports injuries, said today in a statement provided to the Vikings that RB Adrian Peterson’s right knee injury should be evaluated on a “week-to-week basis.” Andrews’ evaluation jibes with the Vikings’ original position that Peterson will recover in time to play again this season.

The full text of the statement, which is addressed to the Vikings:

“I have reviewed Adrian’s MRI and agree with your assessment and diagnosis. I agree that you are taking the correct approach. He has an isolated injury to his lateral collateral ligament. He should be re-evaluated on a week-to-week basis and be allowed to progress as his symptoms allow.”

Coach Brad Childress and athletic trainer Eric Sugarman both said Monday that it was possible Peterson could return in time for the Nov. 25 game against the New York Giants. In any event, Sugarman said the relatively minor nature of the injury meant that Peterson would “absolutely, without question” get back on the field at some point this season unless he suffered a “crazy setback.” The full article can be read here.

The Vikings provided Andrews’ independent assessment one day after a Florida doctor — who had neither examined Peterson nor viewed his medical records — asserted in a published report that Peterson shouldn’t play again this season.

Link

That should shut people up for a while.

Whom do you want to shut up?

People suggesting he should be shut down regardless. Those that disagree with the Vikings staff. The premier authority hath spoken.

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

Dr. James Andrews, the world’s foremost authority on sports injuries, said today in a statement provided to the Vikings that RB Adrian Peterson’s right knee injury should be evaluated on a “week-to-week basis.” Andrews’ evaluation jibes with the Vikings’ original position that Peterson will recover in time to play again this season.

The full text of the statement, which is addressed to the Vikings:

“I have reviewed Adrian’s MRI and agree with your assessment and diagnosis. I agree that you are taking the correct approach. He has an isolated injury to his lateral collateral ligament. He should be re-evaluated on a week-to-week basis and be allowed to progress as his symptoms allow.”

Coach Brad Childress and athletic trainer Eric Sugarman both said Monday that it was possible Peterson could return in time for the Nov. 25 game against the New York Giants. In any event, Sugarman said the relatively minor nature of the injury meant that Peterson would “absolutely, without question” get back on the field at some point this season unless he suffered a “crazy setback.” The full article can be read here.

The Vikings provided Andrews’ independent assessment one day after a Florida doctor — who had neither examined Peterson nor viewed his medical records — asserted in a published report that Peterson shouldn’t play again this season.

Link

That should shut people up for a while.

Whom do you want to shut up?

People suggesting he should be shut down regardless. Those that disagree with the Vikings staff. The premier authority hath spoken.

Uh, okay.

 

[Steelers4Life]

Well, it's already been acknowledged that he can do more damage by returning with a partially torn LCL too early. If he's fully healed in 2 weeks and he can come back, great. If he's not but he wants the money still on the table is willing to take the chance and play with the pain, it's his career.

But I'd have to wonder how confident ADP would be running on that knee if he knows that he could damage it further. It seems to be pretty clear that the LCL won't be fully healed in 2 or 3 weeks if it's the kind of tear described in the media. I'd wonder if he'd change his running style a little bit, which could lead to more injuries. Or worse, if he becomes tentative with his cuts and puts himself at more risk.

 

[jbalicki10]

I'm really confused...

Is it safe to drop ADP this year in a redraft league of 12? Is he pretty much useless now?

 

[Max Power]

I'm really confused... Is it safe to drop ADP this year in a redraft league of 12? Is he pretty much useless now?

Id trade him before I drop him. You might be able to land something real nice.

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

Dr. James Andrews, the world’s foremost authority on sports injuries, said today in a statement provided to the Vikings that RB Adrian Peterson’s right knee injury should be evaluated on a “week-to-week basis.” Andrews’ evaluation jibes with the Vikings’ original position that Peterson will recover in time to play again this season.

The full text of the statement, which is addressed to the Vikings:

“I have reviewed Adrian’s MRI and agree with your assessment and diagnosis. I agree that you are taking the correct approach. He has an isolated injury to his lateral collateral ligament. He should be re-evaluated on a week-to-week basis and be allowed to progress as his symptoms allow.”

Coach Brad Childress and athletic trainer Eric Sugarman both said Monday that it was possible Peterson could return in time for the Nov. 25 game against the New York Giants. In any event, Sugarman said the relatively minor nature of the injury meant that Peterson would “absolutely, without question” get back on the field at some point this season unless he suffered a “crazy setback.” The full article can be read here.

The Vikings provided Andrews’ independent assessment one day after a Florida doctor — who had neither examined Peterson nor viewed his medical records — asserted in a published report that Peterson shouldn’t play again this season.

Link

That should shut people up for a while.

Whom do you want to shut up? Some of the info posted in here was from folks that work in the field (Raven) and was based on the prognosis for that type of injury that was reported in the media. If the injury is different from what is being reported then it is impossible to make an accurate prognosis. I have done some sports medicine (and no none on any pro athletes) and think it would be pushing it to have him back in two weeks. Can he run? yes. If he was a QB could he sit back in the pocket and pass? probably But juking and cutting on a incompletely healed LCL is going to be tough IMO. As I have said in other posts I would like to know the context that this Florida Doc is making his assessments (second one I have seen by him in two weeks). Is he being asked in an interview for some weekly sports show or is he just throwing this crap out there to see if he gets attention?

Look, my comment was a bit tongue-in-cheek. My point is that half of the posters in this forum love to throw around fire and brimstone prophecies just for the sake of being negative. A remotely positive prognosis from the foremost sports doc in the land is tough to refute.

 

[qimqam]

I almost shat myself when I read Dr. James Andrews name ... whew ... what a relief

 

[stevegamer]

As I have said in other posts I would like to know the context that this Florida Doc is making his assessments (second one I have seen by him in two weeks). Is he being asked in an interview for some weekly sports show or is he just throwing this crap out there to see if he gets attention?

Frankly, even if he's being asked directly, the bolded is still true.Let's say I'm sick, and I post my symptoms out here - I could get 15 different diagnoses from people who haven't sen me, but have heard something through the "news". All of which could be right, wrong or partly correct - but at best they'd be educated guesses, down to w-a guesses.

Without an exam someone, it's really hard to determine what's wrong with an internal injury. If somebody's missing a obvious body part, or has a open wound it's not too hard to determine "hey there's a problem".

This doc knows almost nothing about the case, yet makes prognosises without any real disclaimer. I think there have been actual verified (guy played) recoveries in sports that are essentially impossible based on his statements.

 

[The Shizzle]

Dr. James Andrews, the world’s foremost authority on sports injuries, said today in a statement provided to the Vikings that RB Adrian Peterson’s right knee injury should be evaluated on a “week-to-week basis.” Andrews’ evaluation jibes with the Vikings’ original position that Peterson will recover in time to play again this season.

The full text of the statement, which is addressed to the Vikings:

“I have reviewed Adrian’s MRI and agree with your assessment and diagnosis. I agree that you are taking the correct approach. He has an isolated injury to his lateral collateral ligament. He should be re-evaluated on a week-to-week basis and be allowed to progress as his symptoms allow.”

Coach Brad Childress and athletic trainer Eric Sugarman both said Monday that it was possible Peterson could return in time for the Nov. 25 game against the New York Giants. In any event, Sugarman said the relatively minor nature of the injury meant that Peterson would “absolutely, without question” get back on the field at some point this season unless he suffered a “crazy setback.” The full article can be read here.

The Vikings provided Andrews’ independent assessment one day after a Florida doctor — who had neither examined Peterson nor viewed his medical records — asserted in a published report that Peterson shouldn’t play again this season.

Link

That should shut people up for a while.

Whom do you want to shut up? Some of the info posted in here was from folks that work in the field (Raven) and was based on the prognosis for that type of injury that was reported in the media. If the injury is different from what is being reported then it is impossible to make an accurate prognosis. I have done some sports medicine (and no none on any pro athletes) and think it would be pushing it to have him back in two weeks. Can he run? yes. If he was a QB could he sit back in the pocket and pass? probably But juking and cutting on a incompletely healed LCL is going to be tough IMO. As I have said in other posts I would like to know the context that this Florida Doc is making his assessments (second one I have seen by him in two weeks). Is he being asked in an interview for some weekly sports show or is he just throwing this crap out there to see if he gets attention?

Look, my comment was a bit tongue-in-cheek. My point is that half of the posters in this forum love to throw around fire and brimstone prophecies just for the sake of being negative. A remotely positive prognosis from the foremost sports doc in the land is tough to refute.

Never thought you'd pull that off in a Peterson thread. Good job, sir.

 

[fenwah]

I'm a lock into the playoffs. So AP needs to come back in four weeks please.

 

[Ice Cream Man]

I guess I don't understand. Week-to-week, could mean 2 weeks, 6 weeks, or 12 weeks. Case and point: Harrison and AJ have been week-to-week for awhile now.

I really get the sense the crowd here is now saying "great.. it's only a week to week injury" as if to imply that it would be better than the 6 week prognosis originally offered. It could just as likely be a lot worse.

Some people hear only what they want to hear..

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

It's too soon to say how this is going to play out and as a Peterson owner I'm preparing for the worst and hoping for the best. However, the two doctors clearly have different prognosis:

1. The doctor who has no firsthand knowledge of Peterson's injury says he should be shut down.

2. The doctor who has firsthand knowledge agrees with the Vikings' assessment that Peterson will definitely play again this season - perhaps by Week 13.

Pretty significant difference of opinion if you ask me. And while I'm definitely biased here as a Peterson owner I do belief it's far more prudent to believe the word of the doctor who has firsthand knowledge of the situation as opposed to the one who doesn't.

Your mileage may vary.

That's just crazy talk!

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

I guess I don't understand. Week-to-week, could mean 2 weeks, 6 weeks, or 12 weeks. Case and point: Harrison and AJ have been week-to-week for awhile now.I really get the sense the crowd here is now saying "great.. it's only a week to week injury" as if to imply that it would be better than the 6 week prognosis originally offered. It could just as likely be a lot worse.Some people hear only what they want to hear..

Gee, so to me week-to-week means....he could come back anytime after this week. So let's make this really simple for people.Week-to-weekBest case: back in 1 weekWorst case: out indefinitelyOut at least 6 weeksBest case: back in 6 weeksWorst case: out indefinitelyPlease explain what is confusing about this.

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

I guess I don't understand. Week-to-week, could mean 2 weeks, 6 weeks, or 12 weeks. Case and point: Harrison and AJ have been week-to-week for awhile now.I really get the sense the crowd here is now saying "great.. it's only a week to week injury" as if to imply that it would be better than the 6 week prognosis originally offered. It could just as likely be a lot worse.Some people hear only what they want to hear..

Gee, so to me week-to-week means....he could come back anytime after this week. So let's make this really simple for people.Week-to-weekBest case: back in 1 weekWorst case: out indefinitelyOut at least 6 weeksBest case: back in 6 weeksWorst case: out indefinitelyPlease explain what is confusing about this.

I was going to post the exact same thing. Of course there's a worst case scenario.

 

[Da Guru]

I am not counting on ADP coming back this year.

Any tear in the knee will not be week to week.

 

[Rogi]

week to week = we`don't know when he'll be back

You can't go wrong by saying week to week.

 

[Ice Cream Man]

I guess I don't understand. Week-to-week, could mean 2 weeks, 6 weeks, or 12 weeks. Case and point: Harrison and AJ have been week-to-week for awhile now.

I really get the sense the crowd here is now saying "great.. it's only a week to week injury" as if to imply that it would be better than the 6 week prognosis originally offered. It could just as likely be a lot worse.

Some people hear only what they want to hear..

Gee, so to me week-to-week means....he could come back anytime after this week. So let's make this really simple for people.Week-to-week

Best case: back in 1 week

Worst case: out indefinitely

Out at least 6 weeks

Best case: back in 6 weeks

Worst case: out indefinitely

Please explain what is confusing about this.

Hmm.. the doctor said:"But it's a torn ligament, and a torn ligament is going to take six weeks to heal. And that's for someone like a doctor or news writer, who doesn't go out there and make cuts like Adrian Peterson obviously does."

The doctor's diagnosis did not say or imply he'd be out indefinitely?

However, a week-to-week injury means, as the other poster mentioned, means they have no idea when he'll be back..

The upside is better.. downside is worse.

Of course, putting that into context matters.. the season is more than half over, so being out for more than 6 weeks is probably not going to have an adverse effect on fantasy teams.

 

[raven1911]

People,Coming from a decade of orthopedic background I can tell you that tearing an LCL alone happens all the time.

Have you treated any professional athletes in your decade of medical work? I'm not trying to be a d**k here. Honest. But professional athletes are a different breed of human than the average person. They are paid to have their bodies in peak physical condition and the rules that apply to you and me don't always apply to them.Again, I'm not trying to diminish your comments. They are greatly appreciated and add more depth to the story. But I do think in order to paint a clearer picture we need to understand the difference between the average person's ability to recover from an injury and a professional athlete. I mentioned Reggie White's injury earlier and someone else mentioned the injury to Brett Favre. Both are examples of professional athletes recovering much quicker from an injury than the average person could ever have hoped to.

Yes, worked with the Angels one year (internship only). The explanation of why pro athletes seem to heal faster has a lot of reasons behind it. 1) The get diagnosed much faster 2) They are in peak physical condition 3) The get round the clock care (ala T.O. for the superbowl with the Eagles) 4) The get the proper treatment right way. You cannot make an athlete lay down scar tissue faster, but you can manage pain better, which is why J.Walker can come back from a knee scope in 4 weeks. If it were you or me, then we would more likely be 12 weeks or longer. Something is a miss with the diagnosis given. There is no way a grade 2+ tear of the LCL can heal in one week, prof. athlete or not. It sounds like it might be a grade 1 tear. But even one week for a grade 1 is fast.

 

[cstu]

Do Vikings fans really want him back risking the rest of his career in a meaningless season? The Vikes season is over and they have a chance to add a high draft pick next year. I know the team wants to win but this is their franchise player and not worth the risk IMO.

 

[Billy1x]

Inside The NFL (HBO) - Just heard from Peter King

Viking sent MRI info to Dr Andrews. Dr A says it is not a devastating injury and with a couple weeks rest he should be good to go!!!

 

[Rogi]

Inside The NFL (HBO) - Just heard from Peter KingViking sent MRI info to Dr Andrews. Dr A says it is not a devastating injury and with a couple weeks rest he should be good to go!!!

Good news for Peterson and the Vikings. I think from a FF perspective that the Vikings will go RBBC after AD gets back the rest of the season to save Peterson for next year. Just my guess.

 

[PantherPower]

can anyone else confirm they saw King announce that?

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

Dr. James Andrews, the world’s foremost authority on sports injuries, said today in a statement provided to the Vikings that RB Adrian Peterson’s right knee injury should be evaluated on a “week-to-week basis.” Andrews’ evaluation jibes with the Vikings’ original position that Peterson will recover in time to play again this season.

The full text of the statement, which is addressed to the Vikings:

“I have reviewed Adrian’s MRI and agree with your assessment and diagnosis. I agree that you are taking the correct approach. He has an isolated injury to his lateral collateral ligament. He should be re-evaluated on a week-to-week basis and be allowed to progress as his symptoms allow.”

Coach Brad Childress and athletic trainer Eric Sugarman both said Monday that it was possible Peterson could return in time for the Nov. 25 game against the New York Giants. In any event, Sugarman said the relatively minor nature of the injury meant that Peterson would “absolutely, without question” get back on the field at some point this season unless he suffered a “crazy setback.” The full article can be read here.

The Vikings provided Andrews’ independent assessment one day after a Florida doctor — who had neither examined Peterson nor viewed his medical records — asserted in a published report that Peterson shouldn’t play again this season.

Link

Inside The NFL (HBO) - Just heard from Peter King

Viking sent MRI info to Dr Andrews. Dr A says it is not a devastating injury and with a couple weeks rest he should be good to go!!!

 

[Wrigley]

I don't know about you guys, but I'm trying to package AP to get a player I KNOW will be playing.

Going Portis and if you can believe it LT

:crossingfingers:

 

[snogger]

I don't know about you guys, but I'm trying to package AP to get a player I KNOW will be playing.Going Portis and if you can believe it LT:crossingfingers:

If you get LT I want in your league of (<<read Guppies)

 

[weasel3515]

Inside The NFL (HBO) - Just heard from Peter KingViking sent MRI info to Dr Andrews. Dr A says it is not a devastating injury and with a couple weeks rest he should be good to go!!!

Dr. Andrews is THE man everyone sees from every sport. If he says this then I think it's as good as gold. That doctor must own some Caribbean islands with all of the loot he gets from athletes.

 

[Wrigley]

I don't know about you guys, but I'm trying to package AP to get a player I KNOW will be playing.Going Portis and if you can believe it LT:crossingfingers:

If you get LT I want in your league of (<<read Guppies)

LT owner my be a guppie, but not a league full of them.You are more then welcome to join our league.This is our 15th year...I'll give you a call when an owner drops out......can you make it to Chicago for a draft?We'll be more then happy to take your $$$$$

 

[packersfan]

Interesting column from Pro Football Talk.com about the credibility of Dr. Benjamin:

"HERE'S DR. JOHNNY"

A league source has forwarded to us an e-mail message that casts some doubt on the motives of Dr. Johnny Benjamin, who recently has been quoted in the media regarding injured NFL players, including Vikings running back Adrian Peterson and Jets linebacker Jonathan Vilma.

On Monday morning, before there was even a diagnosis on the condition of a knee Peterson injured on Sunday, a P.R. firm was pimping Dr. Johnny as someone who could offer commentary on the situation.

"Vikings fans, fantasy team owners with Peterson on their team, and fans of the NFL in general are wondering what to make of the situation," the e-mail said. "Will he back this season? If so, when? Why on earth would he lobby his coach to return to the game? How will team medics and the league treat him if the injury is more serious than first analyzed?

"Dr. Johnny Benjamin, nationally renowned chief of orthopedics at Indian River medical facility and spinal injury and surgeon expert is weighing in on Peterson's situation. Having worked with a myriad of pro athletes across a plethora of sports, Dr. Benjamin is familiar with AP's predicament. He routinely gives advice to athletes in his situation and not just that of the medical sort. He has very strong opinions about the treatment of pro athletes, the nature of non-guaranteed contract in the NFL, and how all of this contributes to the business of medicine in pro sports, and the decision making of pro sports doctors -- whom Benjamin has dubbed Spin Doctors."

So Dr. Johnny has an agenda. The agenda, we believe, is to get his name in the paper and elsewhere, presumably in an effort to become the next Dr. James Andrews -- or the knees, backs, and necks equivalent of Dr. Phil.

And so Dr. Johnny will take contrarian viewpoints in an effort to foment controversy, even without having any first-hand knowledge about the patient's medical condition.

We're not saying that we don't like contrarian viewpoints, especially when it comes to the medical treatment that players get from their teams. But such viewpoints tend to carry more weight when coming from someone other than a guy who apparently is embracing the contrarian platform so that he can become more "nationally renowned."

So it's no surprise that Dr. Johnny's opinions ended up in print on Tuesday, given that the e-mail invited writers to "peak with Dr. Benjamin today about Adrian Peterson's injury and what fans can expect for the star running back, as well as other issues presented with athletes who depend on getting back on the field no matter what the cost."

 

[cartel]

Interesting column from Pro Football Talk.com about the credibility of Dr. Andrews:

"HERE'S DR. JOHNNY"

A league source has forwarded to us an e-mail message that casts some doubt on the motives of Dr. Johnny Benjamin, who recently has been quoted in the media regarding injured NFL players, including Vikings running back Adrian Peterson and Jets linebacker Jonathan Vilma.

On Monday morning, before there was even a diagnosis on the condition of a knee Peterson injured on Sunday, a P.R. firm was pimping Dr. Johnny as someone who could offer commentary on the situation.

"Vikings fans, fantasy team owners with Peterson on their team, and fans of the NFL in general are wondering what to make of the situation," the e-mail said. "Will he back this season? If so, when? Why on earth would he lobby his coach to return to the game? How will team medics and the league treat him if the injury is more serious than first analyzed?

"Dr. Johnny Benjamin, nationally renowned chief of orthopedics at Indian River medical facility and spinal injury and surgeon expert is weighing in on Peterson's situation. Having worked with a myriad of pro athletes across a plethora of sports, Dr. Benjamin is familiar with AP's predicament. He routinely gives advice to athletes in his situation and not just that of the medical sort. He has very strong opinions about the treatment of pro athletes, the nature of non-guaranteed contract in the NFL, and how all of this contributes to the business of medicine in pro sports, and the decision making of pro sports doctors -- whom Benjamin has dubbed Spin Doctors."

So Dr. Johnny has an agenda. The agenda, we believe, is to get his name in the paper and elsewhere, presumably in an effort to become the next Dr. James Andrews -- or the knees, backs, and necks equivalent of Dr. Phil.

And so Dr. Johnny will take contrarian viewpoints in an effort to foment controversy, even without having any first-hand knowledge about the patient's medical condition.

We're not saying that we don't like contrarian viewpoints, especially when it comes to the medical treatment that players get from their teams. But such viewpoints tend to carry more weight when coming from someone other than a guy who apparently is embracing the contrarian platform so that he can become more "nationally renowned."

So it's no surprise that Dr. Johnny's opinions ended up in print on Tuesday, given that the e-mail invited writers to "peak with Dr. Benjamin today about Adrian Peterson's injury and what fans can expect for the star running back, as well as other issues presented with athletes who depend on getting back on the field no matter what the cost."

I was wondering...the ADP prognosis I thought could be on target but his Vilma diagnosis made no sense.