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Doctor violently dragged from full United flight (1 Viewer)

Politician Spock said:
I think you are giving too much weight to policy. Businesses can have all the policies they want, but policies don't mean #### in a courtroom if they aren't legal.
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I know. I was simply saying its not their policy to toss money at passengers until they find someone's price. The UA employees were limited by policy that day. They had to comply with company policy or (likely) face losing their job. People in here keep saying all they (UA employees) had to do was up the offer until they found a taker. But its not that simple.

 
ditka...mike ditka said:
I am friends with a UAL flight attendant on FB and she has been on a rampage blaming the guy.  She is saying people dont know the whole story and that he was spitting and swearing at the officers before they used force to take him off the plane.  I havent seen or heard that part anywhere else, so is she just losing it or am I missing part of the story?
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videos sure make it look like your friend is full of the old mularky take that to the bank brohan 

 
whiskey7 said:
I know. I was simply saying its not their policy to toss money at passengers until they find someone's price. The UA employees were limited by policy that day. They had to comply with company policy or (likely) face losing their job. People in here keep saying all they (UA employees) had to do was up the offer until they found a taker. But its not that simple.
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Again, where in their policy is this allowed?  Seems like daily someone comes in with about 10% of the facts.  Unless there's some new document out there's absolutely nothing in their policy or that was legal about what happened.

 
ditka...mike ditka said:
I am friends with a UAL flight attendant on FB and she has been on a rampage blaming the guy.  She is saying people dont know the whole story and that he was spitting and swearing at the officers before they used force to take him off the plane.  I havent seen or heard that part anywhere else, so is she just losing it or am I missing part of the story?
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UAL spin.  Send her the mea culpa apology from Munoz and the other vid that not many have seen.  He seems very calm given the situation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dictjRe7n_g&feature=youtu.be

eta: Your friend sounds like a typical POS UA employee.  The kind who have no respect for their customers and threat them like cargo.  Hopefully, this incident is a wake up call for many of them

 
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whiskey7 said:
I know. I was simply saying its not their policy to toss money at passengers until they find someone's price. The UA employees were limited by policy that day. They had to comply with company policy or (likely) face losing their job. People in here keep saying all they (UA employees) had to do was up the offer until they found a taker. But its not that simple.
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I don't believe for a second that UA didn't have someone with authority to fix the situation in O'Hare.  It's their their hub and they probably have several thousand employees there.  Bring the person who's in charge of O'Hare operations to the plane and ask them to make a rational decision.  

 
culdeus said:
Again, where in their policy is this allowed?  Seems like daily someone comes in with about 10% of the facts.  Unless there's some new document out there's absolutely nothing in their policy or that was legal about what happened.
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Again, I am simply saying the airline employees were not authorized to offer unlimited amounts of money at passengers until someone agreed to give up their seat. There was only so much they could offer and they didn't get enough takers at that amount (in which case they proceeded to the next step in their policy). Its a response to posters who keep suggesting the whole thing was as simple as United's people just upping the offer until they found a taker.

 
i have a questions for lawyer guys so it seems like for years untied and other airlines have been doing this thing where instead of offering you what the law says to miss a flight they offer you something less without being upfront about what you would actually have coming is that some type of deception and could that get a big old class action going just wondering what your wozerific thoughts are on that one so maybe some of your frequent fly guys can take that to the bank bromigos 

 
whiskey7 said:
Again, I am simply saying the airline employees were not authorized to offer unlimited amounts of money at passengers until someone agreed to give up their seat. There was only so much they could offer and they didn't get enough takers at that amount (in which case they proceeded to the next step in their policy). Its a response to posters who keep suggesting the whole thing was as simple as United's people just upping the offer until they found a taker.
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Point me to the "next step in the policy" that allows this.  

 
ditka...mike ditka said:
I am friends with a UAL flight attendant on FB and she has been on a rampage blaming the guy.  She is saying people dont know the whole story and that he was spitting and swearing at the officers before they used force to take him off the plane.  I havent seen or heard that part anywhere else, so is she just losing it or am I missing part of the story?
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Your friend was not there on the flight (if I'm understanding you correctly), so she is just relying on what other people from UAL have told her, and is repeating it. It appears that what she was told is wrong. Whether she sticks to the company line, or actually watches this video and changes her mind, will be kind of interesting.

If someone is spitting and swearing at officers before they used any force, on a plane before takeoff, it seems like there would be cellphone video of that. People film everything.

 
fatness said:
Your friend was not there on the flight (if I'm understanding you correctly), so she is just relying on what other people from UAL have told her, and is repeating it. It appears that what she was told is wrong. Whether she sticks to the company line, or actually watches this video and changes her mind, will be kind of interesting.

If someone is spitting and swearing at officers before they used any force, on a plane before takeoff, it seems like there would be cellphone video of that. People film everything.
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Troof

ETA:  Maybe NSFW

 
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Saw an older flight attendant on the local news last night and she said in the "old days"  extra United employees would just board the plane and stand back in the galley, share jump seats, or even sit up front in the cockpit on a short flight when no seats were available.  Of course now they are worried about getting sued if an employee got injured in flight while not in a proper seating arrangement.

 
fatness said:
Your friend was not there on the flight (if I'm understanding you correctly), so she is just relying on what other people from UAL have told her, and is repeating it. It appears that what she was told is wrong. Whether she sticks to the company line, or actually watches this video and changes her mind, will be kind of interesting.

If someone is spitting and swearing at officers before they used any force, on a plane before takeoff, it seems like there would be cellphone video of that. People film everything.
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New Video - Guy behind the Dr Before Altercation Turned Physical

Sure doesn't seem like it backs up UAL worker's opinion of events

 
I still don't understand the CEO's initial response. He should be canned for such an idiotic reaction.  He could have kept it short and sweet....something like:  "I feel horrible about what has happened and I promise a full investigation into these events. Thank you for your patience."

 
culdeus said:
Point me to the "next step in the policy" that allows this.  
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:sigh: You're not hearing me...

ALL I am saying (in direct response to the repeated suggestion the incident could have been avoided had UA simply continued upping the dollar amount) is UA employees (per their policy (as I understand it)) are NOT authorized to offer unlimited amounts of money until they get a taker. There is a cap on what they can offer. If/when they hit that cap, they proceed to the next step in their policy.

I am not saying what happened Sunday was right nor legal. I am simply saying its silly for people to continue to say they (UA) should have just kept upping the offer until someone took it. Their policy doesn't allow that. At least, not for the folks working the gate. Maybe there is a manager/fixer type running around (as Chet suggested) who does have more pull and could have smoothed everything out. I don't know. Reports say some sort of manager from the airline got on to explain they were going to the random draw. I'd like to think that person would have done what they could to avoid it getting to the point of LE forcibly removing a passenger (which should obviously be the very last option) but maybe not. :shrug:  

 
whiskey7 said:
Again, I am simply saying the airline employees were not authorized to offer unlimited amounts of money at passengers until someone agreed to give up their seat. There was only so much they could offer and they didn't get enough takers at that amount (in which case they proceeded to the next step in their policy). Its a response to posters who keep suggesting the whole thing was as simple as United's people just upping the offer until they found a taker.
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I think posts like these do show where we are as a country.  We have someone here who just assumes the policy says you can remove someone by force, maybe as a leap of faith in authority, because their worldview is such that people in power can act in a manner in which is expedient for all parties involved.

This is really why we ended up with Trump imo.  We have a lot of people who like "shows of force" whether they are right ethically, morally, or even legally.

 
whiskey7 said:
:sigh: You're not hearing me...

ALL I am saying (in direct response to the repeated suggestion the incident could have been avoided had UA simply continued upping the dollar amount) is UA employees (per their policy (as I understand it)) are NOT authorized to offer unlimited amounts of money until they get a taker. There is a cap on what they can offer. If/when they hit that cap, they proceed to the next step in their policy.

I am not saying what happened Sunday was right nor legal. I am simply saying its silly for people to continue to say they (UA) should have just kept upping the offer until someone took it. Their policy doesn't allow that. At least, not for the folks working the gate. Maybe there is a manager/fixer type running around (as Chet suggested) who does have more pull and could have smoothed everything out. I don't know. Reports say some sort of manager from the airline got on to explain they were going to the random draw. I'd like to think that person would have done what they could to avoid it getting to the point of LE forcibly removing a passenger (which should obviously be the very last option) but maybe not. :shrug:  
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So I take it that's a no? Going on at least 3 or 4 of these guys here.  

 
I think you could make a good case with lots of these UA-umpkins like Whiskey and others that have come thru here that they would have been on the side of Col. Jessup in ordering the code red.

WE NEED THAT CREW ON THAT FLIGHT

 
culdeus said:
I think you could make a good case with lots of these UA-umpkins like Whiskey and others that have come thru here that they would have been on the side of Col. Jessup in ordering the code red.

WE NEED THAT CREW ON THAT FLIGHT
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Somebody made the decision to call the airport cops though, right? Who was that? Was it simply the ticker counter rep., or did the gate staff call higher-ups to get a decision on what to do? And whoever made that decision made a bad one.

My opinion is that someone at O'Hare had to have some authority to raise the incentive to get people to give up their seats, despite it not being policy. I'm sure that nobody expected the customer removal to go this direction, but creative/critical thinking skills lacking in those involved here. Lots of people should be fired after this.

 
whiskey7 said:
:sigh: You're not hearing me...

ALL I am saying (in direct response to the repeated suggestion the incident could have been avoided had UA simply continued upping the dollar amount) is UA employees (per their policy (as I understand it)) are NOT authorized to offer unlimited amounts of money until they get a taker. There is a cap on what they can offer. If/when they hit that cap, they proceed to the next step in their policy.

I am not saying what happened Sunday was right nor legal. I am simply saying its silly for people to continue to say they (UA) should have just kept upping the offer until someone took it. Their policy doesn't allow that. At least, not for the folks working the gate. Maybe there is a manager/fixer type running around (as Chet suggested) who does have more pull and could have smoothed everything out. I don't know. Reports say some sort of manager from the airline got on to explain they were going to the random draw. I'd like to think that person would have done what they could to avoid it getting to the point of LE forcibly removing a passenger (which should obviously be the very last option) but maybe not. :shrug:  
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I don't think they ever got to the maximum amount allowed per UA's policy but I could be wrong.  Also, there were reports of UA employees scoffing at passengers who made suggestions for their price to miss the flight.

 
chet said:
I don't think they ever got to the maximum amount allowed per UA's policy but I could be wrong.  Also, there were reports of UA employees scoffing at passengers who made suggestions for their price to miss the flight.
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They were still $650 short of the max when they called for the goons.

 
ditka...mike ditka said:
I am friends with a UAL flight attendant on FB and she has been on a rampage blaming the guy.  She is saying people dont know the whole story and that he was spitting and swearing at the officers before they used force to take him off the plane.  I havent seen or heard that part anywhere else, so is she just losing it or am I missing part of the story?
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Send your friend this link. She'll love it:

https://g.co/kgs/3amYOv

 
I know I'm going straight to hell for it, but the meme's that have come out of this are fracking gold.  Whole thing was worth it.

 
culdeus said:
I think posts like these do show where we are as a country.  We have someone here who just assumes the policy says you can remove someone by force, maybe as a leap of faith in authority, because their worldview is such that people in power can act in a manner in which is expedient for all parties involved.

This is really why we ended up with Trump imo.  We have a lot of people who like "shows of force" whether they are right ethically, morally, or even legally.
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Back at ya. Your mind is so made up you're refusing (or unable) to comprehend what I've typed in simple English. You've further attempted to put words in my mouth and made assumptions about me.

Good day, sir.

 
lost two teeth they just said broken nose and concussion and absolutely nothing from united at all to the family cripes i mean look at this they are having a press conference that is being run better than the spicer show if you are the united ceo you gotta be crapping a brick right now take that to the bank bromigos 

 
listening to this guy holy crap he just casually threw out storm trooper and i did not even blink and all i want to do is chant rudy rudy rudy man take that to the bank because this guy is sure going to bromigos 

 
and now he just went sent of a woman and to the city of chicago f you to wow take that to the bank bromigos 

 
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