Does Biden run in 2016? (1 Viewer)

[TobiasFunke]

Tim, stop sandbagging! Hillary has a MORTAL LOCK on this thing assuming she doesn't have any hidden videos like Romney did.

IMHO, the only republican who can get any independent votes is Marco Rubio & he can't win the primary.

I still think if McCain had picked Joe Lieberman instead of Palin, Obama never would have been elected.

Maybe the GOP will return in 2024

Not sandbagging at all. I believe that Dinald Trump has a very good chance to be elected the President. Obviously I hope I'm wrong.

If Hillary gets the nom I am pretty sure the Clinton's machine will crush Trump. He's a clown playing a game, they are very serious and Bubba ain't losing this one. He don't want none of Bill who is probably the best politician of this generation. And you can bet he will be out in full force the second the campaign decides they need him.And I don't even like the Clintons.

Trump/Carson/Cruz also would negate the GOP's biggest advantage, a lack of enthusiasm for this race after two energizing Obama campaigns. Put one of those lunatics on the ballot and nobody's sitting this one out.

 

[NCCommish]

Tim, stop sandbagging! Hillary has a MORTAL LOCK on this thing assuming she doesn't have any hidden videos like Romney did.

IMHO, the only republican who can get any independent votes is Marco Rubio & he can't win the primary.

I still think if McCain had picked Joe Lieberman instead of Palin, Obama never would have been elected.

Maybe the GOP will return in 2024

Not sandbagging at all. I believe that Dinald Trump has a very good chance to be elected the President. Obviously I hope I'm wrong.

If Hillary gets the nom I am pretty sure the Clinton's machine will crush Trump. He's a clown playing a game, they are very serious and Bubba ain't losing this one. He don't want none of Bill who is probably the best politician of this generation. And you can bet he will be out in full force the second the campaign decides they need him.And I don't even like the Clintons.

Trump/Carson/Cruz also would negate the GOP's biggest advantage, a lack of enthusiasm for this race after two energizing Obama campaigns. Put one of those lunatics on the ballot and nobody's sitting this one out.

I hope so because Hillary will definitely bring out the right.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Tim, stop sandbagging! Hillary has a MORTAL LOCK on this thing assuming she doesn't have any hidden videos like Romney did.

IMHO, the only republican who can get any independent votes is Marco Rubio & he can't win the primary.

I still think if McCain had picked Joe Lieberman instead of Palin, Obama never would have been elected.

Maybe the GOP will return in 2024

Not sandbagging at all. I believe that Dinald Trump has a very good chance to be elected the President. Obviously I hope I'm wrong.

If Hillary gets the nom I am pretty sure the Clinton's machine will crush Trump. He's a clown playing a game, they are very serious and Bubba ain't losing this one. He don't want none of Bill who is probably the best politician of this generation. And you can bet he will be out in full force the second the campaign decides they need him.And I don't even like the Clintons.

Trump/Carson/Cruz also would negate the GOP's biggest advantage, a lack of enthusiasm for this race after two energizing Obama campaigns. Put one of those lunatics on the ballot and nobody's sitting this one out.

I hope so because Hillary will definitely bring out the right.

They already do fairly well with turnout. They're a pretty passionate bunch and they tend to have fewer practical impediments to voting. And they hated Obama with the fury of a thousand suns in 2012 but that wasn't enough to outweigh the increased turnout from the other side during a presidential election for a well-liked president. Hard to imagine a centrist woman getting them more fired up than the sitting president, a black Muslim socialist whose very name causes them to foam at the mouth of you attach the suffix -care to it.

 

[psychobillies]

Tim, stop sandbagging! Hillary has a MORTAL LOCK on this thing assuming she doesn't have any hidden videos like Romney did.

IMHO, the only republican who can get any independent votes is Marco Rubio & he can't win the primary.

I still think if McCain had picked Joe Lieberman instead of Palin, Obama never would have been elected.

Maybe the GOP will return in 2024

I think it will be Rubio ultimately. Again, long way to go. It can't be Trump or Carson.

Trump is killing Rubio in early states. In fact Trump is killing everyone right now on the GOP side in early states.

Yeah. I don't really get this inside-the-Beltway that Trump and Carson "can't win." In today's GOP, I think they sure can.

Roughly 70% of Republicans currently don't support Trump in the polls. 50% don't support Trump or Carson at this point. Hard to say where that support will go as candidates drop out.

 

[NCCommish]

Tim, stop sandbagging! Hillary has a MORTAL LOCK on this thing assuming she doesn't have any hidden videos like Romney did.

IMHO, the only republican who can get any independent votes is Marco Rubio & he can't win the primary.

I still think if McCain had picked Joe Lieberman instead of Palin, Obama never would have been elected.

Maybe the GOP will return in 2024

Not sandbagging at all. I believe that Dinald Trump has a very good chance to be elected the President. Obviously I hope I'm wrong.

If Hillary gets the nom I am pretty sure the Clinton's machine will crush Trump. He's a clown playing a game, they are very serious and Bubba ain't losing this one. He don't want none of Bill who is probably the best politician of this generation. And you can bet he will be out in full force the second the campaign decides they need him.And I don't even like the Clintons.

Trump/Carson/Cruz also would negate the GOP's biggest advantage, a lack of enthusiasm for this race after two energizing Obama campaigns. Put one of those lunatics on the ballot and nobody's sitting this one out.

I hope so because Hillary will definitely bring out the right.

They already do fairly well with turnout. They're a pretty passionate bunch and they tend to have fewer practical impediments to voting. And they hated Obama with the fury of a thousand suns in 2012 but that wasn't enough to outweigh the increased turnout from the other side during a presidential election for a well-liked president. Hard to imagine a centrist woman getting them more fired up than the sitting president, a black Muslim socialist whose very name causes them to foam at the mouth of you attach the suffix -care to it.

If there is anyone they hate as much as Obama it's anyone named Clinton.

 

[NutterButter]

No surprise he's not running

 

[spreagle]

Biden was never going to run from the very beginning, which is a little embarrassing for a VP because we sort of expect the VP to run. If he just said that up front, that would be the end of that, end of story. Nobody buys the "Golly gee we ran out of time" line. Instead, what Biden did do was create a news cycle for positive Democrat press ... by saying he was thinking about running ... letting them write positively about Biden/Obama for a while ... then announcing in a Big Televised Free Democrat Party Commercial that he wasn't going to run but how he was still was going to fight for the Democrat cause. Democrats made political lemonade out of a lemon of a candidate. Well done.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Tim, stop sandbagging! Hillary has a MORTAL LOCK on this thing assuming she doesn't have any hidden videos like Romney did.

IMHO, the only republican who can get any independent votes is Marco Rubio & he can't win the primary.

I still think if McCain had picked Joe Lieberman instead of Palin, Obama never would have been elected.

Maybe the GOP will return in 2024

Not sandbagging at all. I believe that Dinald Trump has a very good chance to be elected the President. Obviously I hope I'm wrong.

If Hillary gets the nom I am pretty sure the Clinton's machine will crush Trump. He's a clown playing a game, they are very serious and Bubba ain't losing this one. He don't want none of Bill who is probably the best politician of this generation. And you can bet he will be out in full force the second the campaign decides they need him.And I don't even like the Clintons.

Trump/Carson/Cruz also would negate the GOP's biggest advantage, a lack of enthusiasm for this race after two energizing Obama campaigns. Put one of those lunatics on the ballot and nobody's sitting this one out.

I hope so because Hillary will definitely bring out the right.

They already do fairly well with turnout. They're a pretty passionate bunch and they tend to have fewer practical impediments to voting. And they hated Obama with the fury of a thousand suns in 2012 but that wasn't enough to outweigh the increased turnout from the other side during a presidential election for a well-liked president. Hard to imagine a centrist woman getting them more fired up than the sitting president, a black Muslim socialist whose very name causes them to foam at the mouth of you attach the suffix -care to it.

If there is anyone they hate as much as Obama it's anyone named Clinton.

I'm gonna say any Trump-Clinton or Trump-Sanders matchup is going to be ripe for a third party challenge.

 

[FlapJacks]

Joe played his role...he kept outsiders from stepping in until it was too late

 

[timschochet]

I love all the people who say "no surprise" and "he was never going to run". I predicted he wouldn't run, but I DIDN'T KNOW. Nobody knew. My prediction was as much a guess as anybody else's and I got lucky (for once.) But those of you now saying "I told you so", you're full of it. And especially if you were somebody who offered no opinion a week ago but are suddenly saying now "Oh, I knew he'd never do it." What crap.

 

[Fennis]

I told you all so, I knew he wasn't going to run.

 

[FlapJacks]

the fix is in

Bernie's role is to get the base revved up and to make Hillary look younger and more moderate by comparison.

Joe was put out there to scare off anybody who might have wanted to jump in.

 

[timschochet]

the fix is in

Bernie's role is to get the base revved up and to make Hillary look younger and more moderate by comparison.

Joe was put out there to scare off anybody who might have wanted to jump in.

Where's my cut?

 

[NutterButter]

I love all the people who say "no surprise" and "he was never going to run". I predicted he wouldn't run, but I DIDN'T KNOW. Nobody knew. My prediction was as much a guess as anybody else's and I got lucky (for once.) But those of you now saying "I told you so", you're full of it. And especially if you were somebody who offered no opinion a week ago but are suddenly saying now "Oh, I knew he'd never do it." What crap.

Odds were definitely less than 50-50 at this point.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

the fix is in

Bernie's role is to get the base revved up and to make Hillary look younger and more moderate by comparison.

Joe was put out there to scare off anybody who might have wanted to jump in.

Where's my cut?

What, for the PR work?

 

[MaxThreshold]

the fix is in

Bernie's role is to get the base revved up and to make Hillary look younger and more moderate by comparison.

Joe was put out there to scare off anybody who might have wanted to jump in.

IF that were the case then I see that as an effective strategy, not a fix.

 

[MaxThreshold]

I love all the people who say "no surprise" and "he was never going to run". I predicted he wouldn't run, but I DIDN'T KNOW. Nobody knew. My prediction was as much a guess as anybody else's and I got lucky (for once.) But those of you now saying "I told you so", you're full of it. And especially if you were somebody who offered no opinion a week ago but are suddenly saying now "Oh, I knew he'd never do it." What crap.

I thought for sure he'd run.

 

[Trey]

This has been a nice victory lap for the VP. He goes out on a very high note.

Plus did I mention this is great for Secretary Clinton?

 

[cstu]

I love all the people who say "no surprise" and "he was never going to run". I predicted he wouldn't run, but I DIDN'T KNOW. Nobody knew. My prediction was as much a guess as anybody else's and I got lucky (for once.) But those of you now saying "I told you so", you're full of it. And especially if you were somebody who offered no opinion a week ago but are suddenly saying now "Oh, I knew he'd never do it." What crap.

No one "knew" but why would a guy who got something like 1% of the vote the last time he ran try to go up against a woman married to an ex-President and a guy drumming up huge crowds?

 

[culdeus]

Only way he would have entered is if the bengazi/email stuff would have turned toxic. Nobody gives a #### about that stuff so he stayed out.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Only way he would have entered is if the bengazi/email stuff would have turned toxic. Nobody gives a #### about that stuff so he stayed out.

If by "nobody" you mean "people who support Clinton", then yes, no one gives a #### about it.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Only way he would have entered is if the bengazi/email stuff would have turned toxic. Nobody gives a #### about that stuff so he stayed out.

Then why was he thinking of getting in again?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I love all the people who say "no surprise" and "he was never going to run". I predicted he wouldn't run, but I DIDN'T KNOW. Nobody knew. My prediction was as much a guess as anybody else's and I got lucky (for once.) But those of you now saying "I told you so", you're full of it. And especially if you were somebody who offered no opinion a week ago but are suddenly saying now "Oh, I knew he'd never do it." What crap.

No one "knew" but why would a guy who got something like 1% of the vote the last time he ran try to go up against a woman married to an ex-President and a guy drumming up huge crowds?

Because he was getting upwards of 25% without even spending a dime?

 

[Chadstroma]

At this point with him not running it shows that he is just a sad attention whore.

 

[timschochet]

At this point with him not running it shows that he is just a sad attention whore.

Classy

 

[dparker713]

Well we'll see. I always believed that the prices weren't sustainable and that eventually we would be forced to subsidize the health insurance companies to a much greater extent than we already have. But it hasn't happened yet. And the part about the young and healthies opting out and paying the fine: that's been predicted ever since ACA started, and it hasn't happened.

The insurance companies are saying it now. Not enough young people and too many people who actually needed to use services. Face it this thing sucks. All we had to do was make one law - Everyone has to have insurance. Then expand Medicare to all who want it charging based on ability to pay. Private companies can do anything they want no rules on them. If you like your current private provider awesome. If you don't make much and you need healthcare without huge deductibles single payer. We could also solve the issue with vets not getting timely care. Their Single Payer could allow them to go to the VA if they want or see a private doctor that accepts Single Payer. A lot simpler than what we got and more effective I bet.

Still violation of the Commerce Clause

We already had that fight and the law stands.

Only because Roberts is a #####.

Technically they held the CC did not permit it but the tax amendment did. Now we can tax people to mandate them to do anything.

Not really. 8 of the 9 Justices decided the case on CC grounds. Roberts opinion has basically no precedential value.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

He played everyone like a college coach who "almost" goes to the pros but then ends up renegotiating his contract for big money.

 

[saintfool]

He played everyone like a college coach who "almost" goes to the pros but then ends up renegotiating his contract for big money.

he's going to be appointed to the SCOTUS? awesome. Scalia, Thomas, and Alito will be thrilled.

 

[NCCommish]

He played everyone like a college coach who "almost" goes to the pros but then ends up renegotiating his contract for big money.

he's going to be appointed to the SCOTUS? awesome. Scalia, Thomas, and Alito will be thrilled.

Now that could be entertaining

 

[Chadstroma]

At this point with him not running it shows that he is just a sad attention whore.

Classy

I actually like the guy. Her is personably likable in the crazy uncle that is embarrasing if you are in public but you love him anyways because he is a good guy and though silly he is not really crazy kind of way. I also think he is one of the more reasonable and measured Democrats. Certainly high on the list of Democrats I would not not mind if were President.

I certainly understand his weighing whether or not to enter in the race. I do not fault him for that. I also do not doubt that it was genuine.

Here is where I think he crossed the line. In the last couple of days he has made several comments that really made no sense for him to make if he was not running. It seems like he was toying with the media to elongate his few last minutes in the spotlight before bowing out and fading away. I don't know what to call that other than being an attention whore and in my book, if you have a need to be an attention whore, that is sad.

 

[NCCommish]

At this point with him not running it shows that he is just a sad attention whore.

Classy

I actually like the guy. Her is personably likable in the crazy uncle that is embarrasing if you are in public but you love him anyways because he is a good guy and though silly he is not really crazy kind of way. I also think he is one of the more reasonable and measured Democrats. Certainly high on the list of Democrats I would not not mind if were President.I certainly understand his weighing whether or not to enter in the race. I do not fault him for that. I also do not doubt that it was genuine.

Here is where I think he crossed the line. In the last couple of days he has made several comments that really made no sense for him to make if he was not running. It seems like he was toying with the media to elongate his few last minutes in the spotlight before bowing out and fading away. I don't know what to call that other than being an attention whore and in my book, if you have a need to be an attention whore, that is sad.

Actually it appears those statements which were kind of shots at Hillary were because she had a ton of people on Joe's ### pressuring him to stay out both publically and privately. That was his way of telling them to back off.

 

[Chadstroma]

At this point with him not running it shows that he is just a sad attention whore.

Classy

I actually like the guy. Her is personably likable in the crazy uncle that is embarrasing if you are in public but you love him anyways because he is a good guy and though silly he is not really crazy kind of way. I also think he is one of the more reasonable and measured Democrats. Certainly high on the list of Democrats I would not not mind if were President.I certainly understand his weighing whether or not to enter in the race. I do not fault him for that. I also do not doubt that it was genuine.

Here is where I think he crossed the line. In the last couple of days he has made several comments that really made no sense for him to make if he was not running. It seems like he was toying with the media to elongate his few last minutes in the spotlight before bowing out and fading away. I don't know what to call that other than being an attention whore and in my book, if you have a need to be an attention whore, that is sad.

Actually it appears those statements which were kind of shots at Hillary were because she had a ton of people on Joe's ### pressuring him to stay out both publically and privately. That was his way of telling them to back off.

Is that your guess or is there any sort of evidence to show that?

 

[NCCommish]

At this point with him not running it shows that he is just a sad attention whore.

Classy

I actually like the guy. Her is personably likable in the crazy uncle that is embarrasing if you are in public but you love him anyways because he is a good guy and though silly he is not really crazy kind of way. I also think he is one of the more reasonable and measured Democrats. Certainly high on the list of Democrats I would not not mind if were President.I certainly understand his weighing whether or not to enter in the race. I do not fault him for that. I also do not doubt that it was genuine.

Here is where I think he crossed the line. In the last couple of days he has made several comments that really made no sense for him to make if he was not running. It seems like he was toying with the media to elongate his few last minutes in the spotlight before bowing out and fading away. I don't know what to call that other than being an attention whore and in my book, if you have a need to be an attention whore, that is sad.

Actually it appears those statements which were kind of shots at Hillary were because she had a ton of people on Joe's ### pressuring him to stay out both publically and privately. That was his way of telling them to back off.

Is that your guess or is there any sort of evidence to show that?

I read a lot of political sites and several have mentioned it as the reason. Not sure if its true of course as Joe will likely never tell us and he's the only one who knows for sure.

 

[Chadstroma]

At this point with him not running it shows that he is just a sad attention whore.

Classy

I actually like the guy. Her is personably likable in the crazy uncle that is embarrasing if you are in public but you love him anyways because he is a good guy and though silly he is not really crazy kind of way. I also think he is one of the more reasonable and measured Democrats. Certainly high on the list of Democrats I would not not mind if were President.I certainly understand his weighing whether or not to enter in the race. I do not fault him for that. I also do not doubt that it was genuine.

Here is where I think he crossed the line. In the last couple of days he has made several comments that really made no sense for him to make if he was not running. It seems like he was toying with the media to elongate his few last minutes in the spotlight before bowing out and fading away. I don't know what to call that other than being an attention whore and in my book, if you have a need to be an attention whore, that is sad.

Actually it appears those statements which were kind of shots at Hillary were because she had a ton of people on Joe's ### pressuring him to stay out both publically and privately. That was his way of telling them to back off.

Is that your guess or is there any sort of evidence to show that?

I read a lot of political sites and several have mentioned it as the reason. Not sure if its true of course as Joe will likely never tell us and he's the only one who knows for sure.

Well, I suppose I can give him the benefit of the doubt.

 

[NCCommish]

At this point with him not running it shows that he is just a sad attention whore.

Classy

I actually like the guy. Her is personably likable in the crazy uncle that is embarrasing if you are in public but you love him anyways because he is a good guy and though silly he is not really crazy kind of way. I also think he is one of the more reasonable and measured Democrats. Certainly high on the list of Democrats I would not not mind if were President.I certainly understand his weighing whether or not to enter in the race. I do not fault him for that. I also do not doubt that it was genuine.

Here is where I think he crossed the line. In the last couple of days he has made several comments that really made no sense for him to make if he was not running. It seems like he was toying with the media to elongate his few last minutes in the spotlight before bowing out and fading away. I don't know what to call that other than being an attention whore and in my book, if you have a need to be an attention whore, that is sad.

Actually it appears those statements which were kind of shots at Hillary were because she had a ton of people on Joe's ### pressuring him to stay out both publically and privately. That was his way of telling them to back off.

Is that your guess or is there any sort of evidence to show that?

I read a lot of political sites and several have mentioned it as the reason. Not sure if its true of course as Joe will likely never tell us and he's the only one who knows for sure.

Well, I suppose I can give him the benefit of the doubt.

I think a guy who just lost his second child deserves a bit of slack. I don't know how he even gets out of bed.

 

[dschuler]

Hillary pulling herself out of the race in the next few weeks, which I fully think will happen, will all but open the door one more time for Biden. Personally, I think he's the toughest of all the candidates for the Republicans to beat.

 

[skol asylum]

Hillary pulling herself out of the race in the next few weeks, which I fully think will happen, will all but open the door one more time for Biden. Personally, I think he's the toughest of all the candidates for the Republicans to beat.

Never happen.

 

[Ladsud]

When is the realistic cut off time for him to get in this mess? He has to have 500 pounds of regret resting on his shoulders from listening to the dem bosses telling him to step down.

 

[[scooter]]

Hillary pulling herself out of the race in the next few weeks, which I fully think will happen

Good God. Now I feel dirty for bothering to respond to some of your posts in the GOP thread.

Anyway, for next month when Hillary has a few states under her belt.

 

[Chadstroma]

God help me.... with the GOP having Trump leading and the possibility of Sanders being the Democratic nominee..... how I wish Biden ran.

I feel dirty.

 

[cobalt_27]

Can we reboot and rebrand this the ***Official Biden-Warren for President 2016 thread?  

Just, you know, as a pre-emptive measure to Hillary getting hammered by the FBI.

 

[3C's]

Run Joe run!

(yes I know he can't "run" now but hoping his name gets thrown in the ring at the convention)

 

[3C's]

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/435966/hillary-clinton-2016-email-scandal-joe-biden-elizabeth-warren-democrats

 

[Chadstroma]

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/435966/hillary-clinton-2016-email-scandal-joe-biden-elizabeth-warren-democrats

It is downright silly to look at poll numbers and think Sanders is a viable candidate for the general election. If Hillary implodes and the Democrats sent Sanders to go against Trump there is a very good chance that we are stuck with a Trump Presidency (to be honest, I am not sure what would be a better option... a socialist or Trump). Biden, as long as he could control himself from his epic blunders, would easily beat Trump in a general. Warren would most likely as well. I know I would support a Biden bid as opposed to a Trump (even though typing that makes my stomach turn).

 

[3C's]

Biden is a centrist and knows how to work "across the aisle". He'd be much better than the options available now.