Does Dallas host another Super Bowl any time soon? (1 Viewer)

[Grady Wilson]

With the poor weather (which was definitely out of the ordinary), to the ice falling on people, to the people not getting their seats (again, probably not Jerry's fault), etc. do you think Dallas will get another SUper Bowl any time soon?

 

[cobalt_27]

With the poor weather (which was definitely out of the ordinary), to the ice falling on people, to the people not getting their seats (again, probably not Jerry's fault), etc. do you think Dallas will get another SUper Bowl any time soon?

Yeah, I suspect so. There's a lot of weight in having that stadium host it.The weather was just unusual, as it has been throughout much of the country this year. Crappy timing. Not sure what happened with the seating fiasco, but that can't happen, regardless of who's at fault. Not sure that's enough to sway them away from another SB.I doubt Dallas will be part of the regular rotation of Miami, Pasadena, New Orleans, etc. But, they'll be back, I'm sure. For all the flak it gets, it really is a treat to watch a football game there.

 

[Saints-Man]

Depends on the definition of soon. Pasadena, Miami, New Orleans and Arizona are better locations in general and more likely to have better weather for the game.

I don't think Dallas gets another game in the next 5 years. Maybe in the next 10, but that always depends on which cities build new stadiums. After this week, would most owners/fans prefer Dallas over Houston? I would not think so, but that is admittedly just a guess.

 

[Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub]

Isn't this thing supposed to be in NY soon?

 

[cobalt_27]

Isn't this thing supposed to be in NY soon?

Indy in 2012 (a repeat of Jacksonville with worse weather)NY in 20132014 unknown.

 

[kingmalaki]

Depends on the definition of soon. Pasadena, Miami, New Orleans and Arizona are better locations in general and more likely to have better weather for the game.I don't think Dallas gets another game in the next 5 years. Maybe in the next 10, but that always depends on which cities build new stadiums. After this week, would most owners/fans prefer Dallas over Houston? I would not think so, but that is admittedly just a guess.

That's what everyone in Houston has been debating, and we have been watching to see how Dallas did this week. Their stadium is bigger than ours and better (it's newer). However, it's not centrally located like ours is, and I don't recall any glitches when we hosted it. I'm sure both cities will bid for the one 5 years from now. 

 

[Premier]

Pasadena? They haven't hosted a Super Bowl in like 17 years. They're never seeing a game again.

 

[cobalt_27]

Depends on the definition of soon. Pasadena, Miami, New Orleans and Arizona are better locations in general and more likely to have better weather for the game.I don't think Dallas gets another game in the next 5 years. Maybe in the next 10, but that always depends on which cities build new stadiums. After this week, would most owners/fans prefer Dallas over Houston? I would not think so, but that is admittedly just a guess.

Dallas not in the next 5 years. Perhaps in the next 10.Houston has more infrastructure to support folks coming into the game. Great stadium. Definitely should be on the short list. But, they have what Arlington doesn't--infrastructure. You pretty much need to be in Dallas to enjoy any kind of nightlife, and that's a good 30-40 minutes away. But, it'll happen. I just don't think they'll ever achieve what Jerry sort of hoped for, which is to be put in the regular rotation. He'll have to make a compelling bid for it each go-around, whereas the other cities mentioned basically only have to get in back of a very short line to wait.

 

[cobalt_27]

Pasadena? They haven't hosted a Super Bowl in like 17 years. They're never seeing a game again.

Really? That's amazing. Seems like just yesterday Dallas was playing there.Oh wait.

 

[Saints-Man]

Pasadena? They haven't hosted a Super Bowl in like 17 years. They're never seeing a game again.

You are right. It was in Pasadena in the early years, but has shifted to San Diego.

 

[Saints-Man]

Depends on the definition of soon. Pasadena, Miami, New Orleans and Arizona are better locations in general and more likely to have better weather for the game.I don't think Dallas gets another game in the next 5 years. Maybe in the next 10, but that always depends on which cities build new stadiums. After this week, would most owners/fans prefer Dallas over Houston? I would not think so, but that is admittedly just a guess.

Dallas not in the next 5 years. Perhaps in the next 10.Houston has more infrastructure to support folks coming into the game. Great stadium. Definitely should be on the short list. But, they have what Arlington doesn't--infrastructure. You pretty much need to be in Dallas to enjoy any kind of nightlife, and that's a good 30-40 minutes away. But, it'll happen. I just don't think they'll ever achieve what Jerry sort of hoped for, which is to be put in the regular rotation. He'll have to make a compelling bid for it each go-around, whereas the other cities mentioned basically only have to get in back of a very short line to wait.

I agree.

 

[Ping Pong]

With the poor weather (which was definitely out of the ordinary), to the ice falling on people, to the people not getting their seats (again, probably not Jerry's fault), etc. do you think Dallas will get another SUper Bowl any time soon?

I'll give you weather and ice falling on people as "out of the ordinary"/"not Jerry's fault," but the seats not being completed is a huge screwup and is definitely Jerry's fault (or whoever you want to hold accountable). There's absolutely no excuse for not completing the seats that you've already sold tickets to. I've also read that it was a giant disaster even getting into the stadium (waiting for > 1.5 hours in line), and you combine that with the terrible non-football entertainment screwups (dunno who's fault that is), and you get a pretty terrible super bowl experience other than the game. However, it's a new and big stadium, so it may get another one, but I have to think this is a big stain on Jerry's record.

 

[azgroover]

Weather sucked in Phoenix this week too. No snow, but it was abnormally frigid. Could happen anywhere. I say Dallas becomes a regular just because the stadium is the crown jewel of the league.

 

[azgroover]

Pasadena? They haven't hosted a Super Bowl in like 17 years. They're never seeing a game again.

You are right. It was in Pasadena in the early years, but has shifted to San Diego.

I dint see it going back to San Diego either, solely because of Qualcomm being a hole.

 

[blackbird001]

Superbowls in Dallas make more money for the league than just about anywhere. Jerry's world will be fine.

 

[boilerdave]

Isn't this thing supposed to be in NY soon?

Indy in 2012 (a repeat of Jacksonville with worse weather)NY in 2013

2014 unknown.

Just curious...why do you say that?

 

[azgroover]

Isn't this thing supposed to be in NY soon?

Indy in 2012 (a repeat of Jacksonville with worse weather)NY in 2013

2014 unknown.

Just curious...why do you say that?

Indy does just fine hosting big sporting events.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Pasadena? They haven't hosted a Super Bowl in like 17 years. They're never seeing a game again.

You are right. It was in Pasadena in the early years, but has shifted to San Diego.

I dint see it going back to San Diego either, solely because of Qualcomm being a hole.

The superbowl wont be back in SD until there is a new stadium and if they lost SD to LA, the NFL will never have another superbowl there.

 

[Doug B]

Isn't this thing supposed to be in NY soon?

Indy in 2012 (a repeat of Jacksonville with worse weather)NY in 2013

2014 unknown.

Thought it was:Indy in Feb 2012

New Orleans in Feb 2013

New York in Feb 2014

Gotta go look it up

EDIT: Yes, confirmed that N.O. hosts in 2013.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Superbowls in Dallas make more money for the league than just about anywhere. Jerry's world will be fine.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Isn't this thing supposed to be in NY soon?

Indy in 2012 (a repeat of Jacksonville with worse weather)NY in 20132014 unknown.

Thought it was:Indy in Feb 2012New Orleans in Feb 2013New York in Feb 2014Gotta go look it up

this is accurate

 

[Jason Wood]

I think it'll be some time before Dallas gets the Super Bowl again, but I think that's as much about what appears to be a league driven push to have more diversity in the locations. To have it in Jacksonville, and then Dallas and slated for an open roofed NY game in a few, you would think the league will continue to give teams, particularly with new or revamped stadiums, the opportunity.

 

[Bri]

It seems that owners create deals to host a Supe when they build a new stadium. After years of bad leads, I'm ignoring LA talk so if there's a new stadium going there-there's one host. Atlanta new stadium talk-there's another. NY 2014...

I hate this trend. It allows the PSLs and the price of tickets to be beyond ridiculous. If the prices jump at this rate, it'll change the fan base some.

For example-the Giants had one of those famous laundry lists of fans waiting for tix. There's a ton that couldn't afford the new stadium rate, but yet had aspired for years to be a season ticket holder in the old stadium.

Jerry Jones muffed up his brilliant idea to try and set a record. Many people still don't know that he had standing only section where people could buy seats for 20 bucks. That's an awesome idea.

I think cities do get blamed for the weather but since snow N ice is rare in Dallas that will be forgotten.

Texas has too many people and football is too large there for the Supe to not return.

BTW Have you noticed how as fans we've all grown accustomed to that monstrous TV screen? It's amazing how quickly that happens.

 

[gandalas]

Isn't this thing supposed to be in NY soon?

Indy in 2012 (a repeat of Jacksonville with worse weather)NY in 2013

2014 unknown.

Just curious...why do you say that?

Indy does just fine hosting big sporting events.

Yeah...I heard some talk show discussing Indy and their inability to host something as big as the Superbowl. Apparently they have never heard of the largest attended sporting event in the country, the Indy 500? They get around 300,000 attendees there EVERY YEAR. I think they will be just fine for the Superbowl, although possibly the weather will be an issue just like this year.

 

[dgreen]

Isn't this thing supposed to be in NY soon?

Not sure why people keep saying this in comparison to what happened in Dallas. The problem in Dallas wasn't the weather. Everyone realizes that was extremely rare weather for Dallas and likely won't happen again. The problem was how the city handled it. It's possible NY will have worse weather around the SB. That's not a problem, though, because they'll plow the snow. They won't refuse to salt their roads and just leave the roads covered in ice.

 

[azgroover]

Isn't this thing supposed to be in NY soon?

Indy in 2012 (a repeat of Jacksonville with worse weather)NY in 2013

2014 unknown.

Just curious...why do you say that?

Indy does just fine hosting big sporting events.

Yeah...I heard some talk show discussing Indy and their inability to host something as big as the Superbowl. Apparently they have never heard of the largest attended sporting event in the country, the Indy 500? They get around 300,000 attendees there EVERY YEAR. I think they will be just fine for the Superbowl, although possibly the weather will be an issue just like this year.

Yep, outside the 500, it seems Indy hosts the Final 4 every other year without any complaints.

 

[dgreen]

I think it'll be some time before Dallas gets the Super Bowl again, but I think that's as much about what appears to be a league driven push to have more diversity in the locations. To have it in Jacksonville, and then Dallas and slated for an open roofed NY game in a few, you would think the league will continue to give teams, particularly with new or revamped stadiums, the opportunity.

I'm sure Dan Snyder will continue to make bids. He wants one badly. Just as they unveiled their new "Punter Proof Screens" in Fed Ex Field this season, I'm sure he'll make a "We'll Salt the Roads" Super Bowl bid.

 

[gump]

It depends a lot on who Dallas is bidding against. Miami hosted twice in a 4 year span...the competitors ended up not strong for that second bid.

So it depends a lot on the timing of their next bid....if a spot like Tampa that the NFL wants to get back has another hosting scheduled already...there are no promises made to new stadium owners that year...etc.

 

[blackbird001]

Isn't this thing supposed to be in NY soon?

Not sure why people keep saying this in comparison to what happened in Dallas. The problem in Dallas wasn't the weather. Everyone realizes that was extremely rare weather for Dallas and likely won't happen again. The problem was how the city handled it. It's possible NY will have worse weather around the SB. That's not a problem, though, because they'll plow the snow. They won't refuse to salt their roads and just leave the roads covered in ice.

Not a question of refusal. It's a question of budgets and being prepared. NY has snow every year so they budget for its removal. Dallas doesn't, so they don't. Next year, Dallas will have a line item in their budget for the removal of snow and ice and likely not need it. You can't remove snow without snow plows or salt to disperse on the roads. Even if you had the stuff to do it, you would still need someone to pay for it.

 

[dgreen]

Isn't this thing supposed to be in NY soon?

Not sure why people keep saying this in comparison to what happened in Dallas. The problem in Dallas wasn't the weather. Everyone realizes that was extremely rare weather for Dallas and likely won't happen again. The problem was how the city handled it. It's possible NY will have worse weather around the SB. That's not a problem, though, because they'll plow the snow. They won't refuse to salt their roads and just leave the roads covered in ice.

Not a question of refusal. It's a question of budgets and being prepared. NY has snow every year so they budget for its removal. Dallas doesn't, so they don't. Next year, Dallas will have a line item in their budget for the removal of snow and ice and likely not need it. You can't remove snow without snow plows or salt to disperse on the roads. Even if you had the stuff to do it, you would still need someone to pay for it.

Right, which is exactly why what happened in Dallas is no reason for at a NY Super Bowl. They are two different towns who will handle weather differently.I'm not saying what Dallas should have done. But, if they really wanted to clear the roads to avoid a negative story about their hosting abilities, they could have cleared the roads. Sure, it may not have been the best use of money and may not have passed a cost-benefit analysis, but it could have been done.

 

[kingmalaki]

Isn't this thing supposed to be in NY soon?

Not sure why people keep saying this in comparison to what happened in Dallas. The problem in Dallas wasn't the weather. Everyone realizes that was extremely rare weather for Dallas and likely won't happen again. The problem was how the city handled it. It's possible NY will have worse weather around the SB. That's not a problem, though, because they'll plow the snow. They won't refuse to salt their roads and just leave the roads covered in ice.

Not a question of refusal. It's a question of budgets and being prepared. NY has snow every year so they budget for its removal. Dallas doesn't, so they don't. Next year, Dallas will have a line item in their budget for the removal of snow and ice and likely not need it. You can't remove snow without snow plows or salt to disperse on the roads. Even if you had the stuff to do it, you would still need someone to pay for it.

The point is Dallas wasn't prepared for it and should have been. If you are hosting the SB you have contingency plans, and this can require you to spend money on "just in case" items. That much snow was completely unexpected but Dallas did have ice issues just one year ago for the All-Star game. No excuse.

 

[dhockster]

The reason Dallas is not prepared to handle ice is that the law in Texas is you cannot use salt on the roads because it is bad for the

environment. Therefore they put sand on the ice, which really does not do a whole lot.

I think Dallas should have gotten an exception from the legislature to use salt during Super Bowl week, and would not be surprised if

this happens before Dallas hosts again.

As for snow being a rare occurance in Dallas, I am pretty sure it snows there once or twice a year, although usually with little or no accumulation.

The NFL took all of this into consideration and said we want to go to Dallas because we want to make the most money we can. We will take our

chances that the weather will be good. If it isn't we hope everything works out okay anyway. If it doesn't (like this year) we hope the public will

forget about it pretty quickly, because we want to come back to Dallas because we can make the most money.

The NFL may wait between 5-10 years before coming back to Dallas, but unless another week like this one happens, they will become part of the regular

rotation after that (about every 5 years).

 

[blackbird001]

The reason Dallas is not prepared to handle ice is that the law in Texas is you cannot use salt on the roads because it is bad for theenvironment. Therefore they put sand on the ice, which really does not do a whole lot.I think Dallas should have gotten an exception from the legislature to use salt during Super Bowl week, and would not be surprised ifthis happens before Dallas hosts again.As for snow being a rare occurance in Dallas, I am pretty sure it snows there once or twice a year, although usually with little or no accumulation.The NFL took all of this into consideration and said we want to go to Dallas because we want to make the most money we can. We will take ourchances that the weather will be good. If it isn't we hope everything works out okay anyway. If it doesn't (like this year) we hope the public willforget about it pretty quickly, because we want to come back to Dallas because we can make the most money.The NFL may wait between 5-10 years before coming back to Dallas, but unless another week like this one happens, they will become part of the regularrotation after that (about every 5 years).

 

[omahabrad]

Isn't this thing supposed to be in NY soon?

Indy in 2012 (a repeat of Jacksonville with worse weather)NY in 2013

2014 unknown.

Just curious...why do you say that?

Indy does just fine hosting big sporting events.

Yeah...I heard some talk show discussing Indy and their inability to host something as big as the Superbowl. Apparently they have never heard of the largest attended sporting event in the country, the Indy 500? They get around 300,000 attendees there EVERY YEAR. I think they will be just fine for the Superbowl, although possibly the weather will be an issue just like this year.

Indy will be better equiped to handle the weather, than Dallas. It wont be as big of issue there. We'll just have to listen to whiney reporters saying that it should be in warmer conditions.

 

[Bri]

The reason Dallas is not prepared to handle ice is that the law in Texas is you cannot use salt on the roads because it is bad for theenvironment. Therefore they put sand on the ice, which really does not do a whole lot.

This is junk man. I have lived near a few lakes the last 10 years or so and while they don't use salt, there are these alternatives people can use.When I turn on the news and see a city worker with an ordinary shovel standing in the back of a pickup truck tossing sand on the road, it hardly resembles the well prepared areas where they have plows and salt spreaders etc.I don't have a prob with Dallas not being prepared for something that hasn't happened in 20 years or whatever the case. However, they had all these millions (or billions?) of dollars coming in. They should have done somethingLike someone said on twitter, with all their money they could afford to put (insert curse) heaters out to blow on every road. Another key point was that there is a venerable army of trucks that arrive to the Supe with all sorts of equipment. Those were there. I'm sure Dallas has garbage trucks and other trucks that can push a plow.Buy some!

 

[dhockster]

The reason Dallas is not prepared to handle ice is that the law in Texas is you cannot use salt on the roads because it is bad for theenvironment. Therefore they put sand on the ice, which really does not do a whole lot.

This is junk man. I have lived near a few lakes the last 10 years or so and while they don't use salt, there are these alternatives people can use.When I turn on the news and see a city worker with an ordinary shovel standing in the back of a pickup truck tossing sand on the road, it hardly resembles the well prepared areas where they have plows and salt spreaders etc.I don't have a prob with Dallas not being prepared for something that hasn't happened in 20 years or whatever the case. However, they had all these millions (or billions?) of dollars coming in. They should have done somethingLike someone said on twitter, with all their money they could afford to put (insert curse) heaters out to blow on every road. Another key point was that there is a venerable army of trucks that arrive to the Supe with all sorts of equipment. Those were there. I'm sure Dallas has garbage trucks and other trucks that can push a plow.Buy some!

I am not saying the City of Dallas responded well to the storm, they obviously did not. I live in Houston, and believe me, with how Houston performed when they had the super bowl and how well they handled Katrina refugees, if the same storm had hit Houston, they would have responded much better than Dallas did. But I was responding to the comments that people said they should have salted the roads. The Txdot people say they don't use salt because it is highly corrosive and does damage to concrete roadways and steel bridges. If you have never been to Dallas or Houston, It is hard to understand how much freeway we have here and how expensive it is to maintain. Again, I think you push all that aside for an event like the super bowl. But the powers that be in Texas and Dallas decided not to. That is why we gotthe mess that followed.

 

[kingmalaki]

The reason Dallas is not prepared to handle ice is that the law in Texas is you cannot use salt on the roads because it is bad for theenvironment. Therefore they put sand on the ice, which really does not do a whole lot.I think Dallas should have gotten an exception from the legislature to use salt during Super Bowl week, and would not be surprised ifthis happens before Dallas hosts again.As for snow being a rare occurance in Dallas, I am pretty sure it snows there once or twice a year, although usually with little or no accumulation.The NFL took all of this into consideration and said we want to go to Dallas because we want to make the most money we can. We will take ourchances that the weather will be good. If it isn't we hope everything works out okay anyway. If it doesn't (like this year) we hope the public willforget about it pretty quickly, because we want to come back to Dallas because we can make the most money.The NFL may wait between 5-10 years before coming back to Dallas, but unless another week like this one happens, they will become part of the regularrotation after that (about every 5 years).

I don't think Dallas becomes part of the regular rotation as long as things are spread out over 3 cities (Dallas, Ft. Worth, Arlington). Someone will have to sacrifice.

 

[dhockster]

The reason Dallas is not prepared to handle ice is that the law in Texas is you cannot use salt on the roads because it is bad for theenvironment. Therefore they put sand on the ice, which really does not do a whole lot.I think Dallas should have gotten an exception from the legislature to use salt during Super Bowl week, and would not be surprised ifthis happens before Dallas hosts again.As for snow being a rare occurance in Dallas, I am pretty sure it snows there once or twice a year, although usually with little or no accumulation.The NFL took all of this into consideration and said we want to go to Dallas because we want to make the most money we can. We will take ourchances that the weather will be good. If it isn't we hope everything works out okay anyway. If it doesn't (like this year) we hope the public willforget about it pretty quickly, because we want to come back to Dallas because we can make the most money.The NFL may wait between 5-10 years before coming back to Dallas, but unless another week like this one happens, they will become part of the regularrotation after that (about every 5 years).

I don't think Dallas becomes part of the regular rotation as long as things are spread out over 3 cities (Dallas, Ft. Worth, Arlington). Someone will have to sacrifice.

My view is that as long as the owners are getting big dollars in their pockets than the logistics of the event are secondary. I wish it weren't that way,but I think it is. Also, if the weather conditions were good, the fact that everything was so spread out would not have meant as much since people wouldn't have had to worry about not being able to get where they wanted to go.

 

[Bri]

Again, I think you push all that aside for an event like the super bowl. But the powers that be in Texas and Dallas decided not to. That is why we gotthe mess that followed.

Yep, they didn't want to spend their profits. They planned on a bil (or whatever) and weren't willing to accept 800 mil(or whatever).I'm waiting for the lawsuits stemming from their negligence.

 

[mambomambo]

The reason Dallas is not prepared to handle ice is that the law in Texas is you cannot use salt on the roads because it is bad for theenvironment. Therefore they put sand on the ice, which really does not do a whole lot.

This is junk man. I have lived near a few lakes the last 10 years or so and while they don't use salt, there are these alternatives people can use.When I turn on the news and see a city worker with an ordinary shovel standing in the back of a pickup truck tossing sand on the road, it hardly resembles the well prepared areas where they have plows and salt spreaders etc.I don't have a prob with Dallas not being prepared for something that hasn't happened in 20 years or whatever the case. However, they had all these millions (or billions?) of dollars coming in. They should have done somethingLike someone said on twitter, with all their money they could afford to put (insert curse) heaters out to blow on every road. Another key point was that there is a venerable army of trucks that arrive to the Supe with all sorts of equipment. Those were there. I'm sure Dallas has garbage trucks and other trucks that can push a plow.Buy some!

I am not saying the City of Dallas responded well to the storm, they obviously did not. I live in Houston, and believe me, with how Houston performed when they had the super bowl and how well they handled Katrina refugees, if the same storm had hit Houston, they would have responded much better than Dallas did. But I was responding to the comments that people said they should have salted the roads. The Txdot people say they don't use salt because it is highly corrosive and does damage to concrete roadways and steel bridges. If you have never been to Dallas or Houston, It is hard to understand how much freeway we have here and how expensive it is to maintain. Again, I think you push all that aside for an event like the super bowl. But the powers that be in Texas and Dallas decided not to. That is why we gotthe mess that followed.

It is apparent that 95% of the people here have no clue that the Super Bowl was NOT IN DALLAS, th CITY OF DALLAS HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS. It wasnt even in the same County!!!Dallas = Dallas CountyArlington = Tarrant County (same county as Fort Worth).

 

[dhockster]

The reason Dallas is not prepared to handle ice is that the law in Texas is you cannot use salt on the roads because it is bad for theenvironment. Therefore they put sand on the ice, which really does not do a whole lot.

This is junk man. I have lived near a few lakes the last 10 years or so and while they don't use salt, there are these alternatives people can use.When I turn on the news and see a city worker with an ordinary shovel standing in the back of a pickup truck tossing sand on the road, it hardly resembles the well prepared areas where they have plows and salt spreaders etc.I don't have a prob with Dallas not being prepared for something that hasn't happened in 20 years or whatever the case. However, they had all these millions (or billions?) of dollars coming in. They should have done somethingLike someone said on twitter, with all their money they could afford to put (insert curse) heaters out to blow on every road. Another key point was that there is a venerable army of trucks that arrive to the Supe with all sorts of equipment. Those were there. I'm sure Dallas has garbage trucks and other trucks that can push a plow.Buy some!

I am not saying the City of Dallas responded well to the storm, they obviously did not. I live in Houston, and believe me, with how Houston performed when they had the super bowl and how well they handled Katrina refugees, if the same storm had hit Houston, they would have responded much better than Dallas did. But I was responding to the comments that people said they should have salted the roads. The Txdot people say they don't use salt because it is highly corrosive and does damage to concrete roadways and steel bridges. If you have never been to Dallas or Houston, It is hard to understand how much freeway we have here and how expensive it is to maintain. Again, I think you push all that aside for an event like the super bowl. But the powers that be in Texas and Dallas decided not to. That is why we gotthe mess that followed.

It is apparent that 95% of the people here have no clue that the Super Bowl was NOT IN DALLAS, th CITY OF DALLAS HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS. It wasnt even in the same County!!!Dallas = Dallas CountyArlington = Tarrant County (same county as Fort Worth).

Sorry, I should have not been referring exclusively to the City of Dallas. My point was that the whole metroplex area of Dallas, Fort Worth, and Arlington did a poor job of responding to the storm. I assume since all three cities were benefitting from the Super Bowl that all of the cities were contributing resources to help put on the event and were working in conjunction with each other. If so, then they all share some responsibility for how the event was put on. If not, if they were not all working together, then the situation was more screwed up then I thought.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

The reason Dallas is not prepared to handle ice is that the law in Texas is you cannot use salt on the roads because it is bad for the

environment.

That's not exactly true. TxDOT uses both sand and salt.The reason they use more sand is because sand is cheaper.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Some of these reports now emerging are pretty shocking. It now seems that the NFL is compensating not only those who didn't have a seat, but also those who were unreasonably delayed due to shoddy planning.

Packers won, but for many the day wasn't so super

By Don Walker of the Journal Sentinel

Updated: Feb. 11, 2011 1:56 p.m.

For Green Bay Packers fans who traveled to Arlington, Texas, to see their beloved team defeat the Pittsburgh Steelers at Super Bowl XLV, the memories will last a lifetime.

Unfortunately, not all of the memories are good ones.

In interviews with a dozen or more fans who came to Dallas, many told stories of little or inadequate signage to help fans find their way; long and often unruly lines of people waiting for hours to get inside; inadequate security; and an overall lack of organization that was at odds with an event that was years in the planning.

“They seemed like they were not prepared for anything,” said Robert Hammen of Waukesha, who went to the game with his nephew and endured a wait of more than three hours just to get into the stadium.

“They knew 105,000 people were going to be there, and they took for granted that every Pittsburgh Steelers and Green Bay Packers fan was going to shell out a lot of money,” added Andrew Bryl, who grew up in Wisconsin, but traveled from his Nashville home to Dallas for the game.

“The wait to get into the stadium was very long because it seemed they were completely short-staffed. I had to wait for 2.5 hours to get into the stadium from the time I started in line. I didn’t mind the extra metal detectors for everyone’s safety, but there was 105,000 people, so the least you could do was have enough security people. No one directed anyone.”

"Somebody dropped the ball," said Keith Pollnow of Oshkosh, whose family has held Packers season tickets for 50 years. Pollnow was one of the unfortunate fans who held a ticket but was denied a seat. "The most disappointing thing is that they were well aware of the problems before Sunday."

That appears to be the case. On Friday, the Dallas Morning News reported that an engineering firm contracted by the Dallas Cowboys was still signing off on plans for temporary seating as late as Super Bowl Sunday. At the same time, Arlington's fire chief said he was concerned at least 10-12 days before the game that all of the new seating would be completed in time.

While there were many others who had no problems getting to the stadium, getting to their seat and enjoying the game without any hassles, other fans said the situation marred what for many was a once-in-a-lifetime experience to see the Packers in the Super Bowl.

Since Sunday, the NFL, the Dallas Cowboys and Cowboys Stadium officials have been on the defensive as stories have begun to emerge of fans who had problems from the moment they got close to the stadium.

On Thursday, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell Commissioner said he would expand the league's compensation offer to fans who were "significantly delayed in gaining pre-game access to their seats due to the problems with the installation of some of the temporary seats at Cowboys Stadium."

Officials estimate that as many as 2,000 fans in temporary seating were delayed. As a result, Goodell said those fans "will receive a choice of either a refund of the face-value amount of their ticket or a free ticket to a future Super Bowl game of their choice."

Goodell’s offer is separate from an earlier offer to an estimated 400 fans - such as Pollnow - who were denied a seat even though they were holding valid tickets. Under that plan, fans can choose one free ticket to next year’s Super Bowl game plus a cash payment of $2,400 or one free ticket to any Super Bowl game plus round-trip airfare and hotel accommodations provided by the NFL. In the event of a work stoppage that impacts next year’s Super Bowl in Indianapolis, the fan would have a choice of one free ticket to the next Super Bowl.

Despite Goodell's overture, the negative reaction has spawned at least two lawsuits in Texas. Goodell has since ordered a complete review of the game, including all stadium and stadium entrance issues.

Thomas P. Windsor, a Brookfield businessman, went to the Super Bowl with his 77-year-old father-in-law, Talva Rogers of Milwaukee.

Windsor and Rogers had paid for premium seats and decided to try to get to the stadium early. They arrived about four hours before the 5:30 p.m. kickoff, and paid $305 to park.

Windsor said he wondered what the two of them would do for three hours inside the stadium.

“Foolish me,” Windsor wrote in an e-mail. “Was directed to a sea of people by a sole stadium employee, where we proceeded to shuffle, destination unknown, for two plus hours in mud. The closer gametime got, the more testy people became, jumping over barricades with security nowhere to be found.”

Windsor began to worry that Rogers, his father-in-law, might tire and not be able to make it to his seat. By the time the two got to a gate, they were told it was the wrong gate.

“I literally begged the staff – don’t make us walk around to the other side. No luck,” Windsor said.

Windsor and Rogers got to their seat just as Christina Aguilera was singing the National Anthem.

“Yeah, it was worth it,” Windsor said of his overall experience. “But it was so tarnished. My father-in-law said he was in heaven. It was a great game. But this took some of the luster off.”

Tom Miller of Green Bay, a Packers season-ticket holder, bought two tickets from another season-ticket holder. His experience at Cowboys Stadium was nightmarish.

By the time he got to the stadium gates, he was told his tickets were no good.

“I said, ‘I know they’re good. I bought them from a Packers season-ticket holder.’ They said, ‘No.’”

Miller was told to go to a ticket resolution area. The ticket resolution area was a tent near Rangers Stadium, the baseball park.

“There was one guy with 200 or so angry people. He had some cops around him, too,” Miller said.

He was told to go to an area near the Party Plaza, an outdoor area set aside for fans willing to pay at least $200 to watch the game on video monitors.

Miller said he and his friend waited in an area near the plaza for nearly 90 minutes.

“People were getting irate,” he said. “Some of these guys had their dads with them, a once-in-a-lifetime experience. Packers and Steelers fans."

Ninety minutes before kickoff, Miller said a police officer had had enough of fans waiting with no resolution in sight. The officer ordered security to let Miller, his friend and others inside.

When they got in, Miller said, a security guard told him, “I can’t believe they let you in.”

It got worse. Miller said he walked around, looking for his seat. Finally, officials put Miller and his friend in the Miller Lite club, an area behind the Packers’ bench. They could watch the game on television, not in a seat.

As the game was about to start, Miller said, they were told they were going to be moved. He said officials walked the small group completely around the stadium, ending up back at the Miller Lite club. Later, they were moved to a club behind the Steelers’ bench.

“We spent basically the whole game there,” Miller said.

An NFL official later contacted Miller to try to make amends. “The person I spoke to was very nice,” Miller said. “They said they would do what they could.”

“I said, ‘This is how you treat the season-ticket holder?’”

Pollnow was moved around, too, and ended up in the same club behind the Steelers' bench.

In addition to watching the game on television, Pollnow said he and others tried to sneak peeks at the actual game.

"We were trying to watch the game betwen the Steelers' players legs," Pollnow said. "It was hard."

Pollnow said he was weighing his options on the NFL's offer for those who were denied a seat. Pollnow also said he wrote a letter to the Packers. In the letter, he suggested the Packers should give him priority to buy Super Bowl tickets if the Packers get to the big game again.

Pollnow hasn't heard from the Packers.

Don Weber, a Milwaukee businessman, also endured long lines and inadequate security as thousands of fans pressed to get in Cowboys Stadium. He said he worried about senior citizens. He said there was one elderly man who had never missed a Steelers' Super Bowl.

"He was exhausted after getting in," Weber said.

"The Packers win far overshadowed the negatives," Weber said. "But outside of the game everything else was a disappointment. It was as if this was the first time they ever had a football game there."

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Massive fail by Jones, the Cowboys, and the NFL. Weather happens, but selling seats that don't exist, inadequate staffing of entries, poor resolution of ticket conflicts, $300 parking, this is all inexcusable. Dallas should not get another Superbowl so long as Jones has any ownership or financial benefit from association with the Cowboys.

It was disgraceful to overcrowd an already overcrowded event by encouraging folks to come to the stadium to watch outside the stadium on outdoor monitors. It was disgraceful money grubbing to sell seats on the hope they would exist. Didn't we see before this monument to Jones ego even opened that many of the already existing seats he was trying to sell were so obstructed as to be useless and a fruad, and then he decided to pack in even more. I say we put the wizened old ******* in a room with the people who had their day crapped upon. Give him his checkbook have one door and no security. Let him negotiate his way out with his checkbook , his wits, or his fists, his choice.

 

[dhockster]

Massive fail by Jones, the Cowboys, and the NFL. Weather happens, but selling seats that don't exist, inadequate staffing of entries, poor resolution of ticket conflicts, $300 parking, this is all inexcusable. Dallas should not get another Superbowl so long as Jones has any ownership or financial benefit from association with the Cowboys.It was disgraceful to overcrowd an already overcrowded event by encouraging folks to come to the stadium to watch outside the stadium on outdoor monitors. It was disgraceful money grubbing to sell seats on the hope they would exist. Didn't we see before this monument to Jones ego even opened that many of the already existing seats he was trying to sell were so obstructed as to be useless and a fruad, and then he decided to pack in even more. I say we put the wizened old ******* in a room with the people who had their day crapped upon. Give him his checkbook have one door and no security. Let him negotiate his way out with his checkbook , his wits, or his fists, his choice.

I agree with what everything you say. Unfortunately, I think the potential money to the owners will speak louder than Jerry's/NFL's/Tarrant county's incompetence in putting on the event. Therefore, he may have to wait a little longer to get the next Super Bowl in Dallas, but Jerry Jone's will get another Super Bowl. Let's just hope weather isn't a factor and that some lessons were learned on how to properly put on the event.

 

[munchkin]

Isn't this thing supposed to be in NY soon?

Not sure why people keep saying this in comparison to what happened in Dallas. The problem in Dallas wasn't the weather. Everyone realizes that was extremely rare weather for Dallas and likely won't happen again. The problem was how the city handled it. It's possible NY will have worse weather around the SB. That's not a problem, though, because they'll plow the snow. They won't refuse to salt their roads and just leave the roads covered in ice.

Just curious as to where you think the salt trucks would come from? I don't imagine any nearby municipalities that had salt trucks would have beenwilling to send them down to Dallas. These storms were pretty far reaching.

Salt/sand trucks come equipped with special equipment and are very expensive. You aren't going to get a couple hundred of them loaded on to train cars and have them sent to Dallas in a couple of days. Most cities and states are under financial duress these days so it's not like they have a few million dollars laying around to spend on snow/ice removal equipment.

Look at the flak Bloomberg has taken this winter season for his bungling of the snow removal issues in NYC; NJ's financial mess is even worse. But at least they have the infrastructure in place. You can't spend the money to cover for every eventuality.

 

[onehung]

Isn't this thing supposed to be in NY soon?

Not sure why people keep saying this in comparison to what happened in Dallas. The problem in Dallas wasn't the weather. Everyone realizes that was extremely rare weather for Dallas and likely won't happen again. The problem was how the city handled it. It's possible NY will have worse weather around the SB. That's not a problem, though, because they'll plow the snow. They won't refuse to salt their roads and just leave the roads covered in ice.

Just curious as to where you think the salt trucks would come from? I don't imagine any nearby municipalities that had salt trucks would have beenwilling to send them down to Dallas. These storms were pretty far reaching.

Salt/sand trucks come equipped with special equipment and are very expensive. You aren't going to get a couple hundred of them loaded on to train cars and have them sent to Dallas in a couple of days. Most cities and states are under financial duress these days so it's not like they have a few million dollars laying around to spend on snow/ice removal equipment.

Look at the flak Bloomberg has taken this winter season for his bungling of the snow removal issues in NYC; NJ's financial mess is even worse. But at least they have the infrastructure in place. You can't spend the money to cover for every eventuality.

The seat fiasco is one thing(greed) but that ICE pretty much sealed the fate of this Superbowl. I've lived here for over 30 years and can only remember ice causing this much trouble maybe 2 other times. Every facet of not only the visitors lives but everyone else was affected. Sorry if you people from the north don't understand this.

 

[blackbird001]

Isn't this thing supposed to be in NY soon?

Not sure why people keep saying this in comparison to what happened in Dallas. The problem in Dallas wasn't the weather. Everyone realizes that was extremely rare weather for Dallas and likely won't happen again. The problem was how the city handled it. It's possible NY will have worse weather around the SB. That's not a problem, though, because they'll plow the snow. They won't refuse to salt their roads and just leave the roads covered in ice.

Just curious as to where you think the salt trucks would come from? I don't imagine any nearby municipalities that had salt trucks would have beenwilling to send them down to Dallas. These storms were pretty far reaching.

Salt/sand trucks come equipped with special equipment and are very expensive. You aren't going to get a couple hundred of them loaded on to train cars and have them sent to Dallas in a couple of days. Most cities and states are under financial duress these days so it's not like they have a few million dollars laying around to spend on snow/ice removal equipment.

Look at the flak Bloomberg has taken this winter season for his bungling of the snow removal issues in NYC; NJ's financial mess is even worse. But at least they have the infrastructure in place. You can't spend the money to cover for every eventuality.

This is just a venue for people who hate the cowboys and their owner to vent. They don't look at this logically or even concentrate on the facts. It happened, it's jerry's fault first, the cowboys second, and oh yeah, the NFL. Even though every report that's come out has said that the NFL took over the stadium and operations. None of this matters. It will be five years before Dallas can even be eligible again, and by that time only a handful of SP members will remember this thread. It will get bumped then whether the superbowl comes back to Dallas or it doesn't. Just keep in mind, that Dallas offers the most profitability for the league and owners, regardless of what happens. The ice sure didn't keep the stadium from being filled to occupancy, right? If it was such a problem, they would have had a few hundred no-shows to hand out for the ones who didn't have seats. blah blah blah.... Lets get back to discussing player movement and incoming prospects. This superbowl will go down as one of the most watched and best games in history. Get off the ice.

 

[Gachi]

You guys do know that the Super Bowl was in Arlington right?

:Texasresident:

 

[gump]

Ooof....heard some leaders of very large NFL Partners did not appreciate waiting in line for 2 hours (among other nightmares)....some even missing the pre-game Tailgate altogether.

Going to take a while to recover from this I think.