Does Favre still get credit (2 Viewers)

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BJohnsonTo be honest, there are more QBs I would take than Farve.Hasselbeck and Kerry Collins are a toss up right now with Farve. Not completely decided.

Brad Johnson over Favre. :rotflmao:

 

[rhawkins68]

Note : QB Brett Favre not only finished with the fourth 4,000-yard passing season of his career, he also set an NFL record by throwing 30 or more touchdowns for the eighth time in his career. The Packers also finished the season with several other team records: Their 6,349 yards in total offense, 354 first downs and 382 completions all were most in franchise history.Anyone care to argue that Favre didn’t have a huge part in this?I will agree that when Favre has a dismal game it is an awful game, but take yesterdays game. When your down by 17 in the first 5 min of a game, it's going to be one of those games. You could see it in the whole team. Wr were out of sync, and Favre was out of sync. The running game hasn’t been solid for most of the season except for a handful of games, but I don’t think Green broke 100 in the last 7 or 8 games.In recent years, GB has been put on the field as one of the better teams, and a team to beat, and to be honest, with the defense they had this year, and the types of offenses they had to play this year, I was just happy to see them get back from their 1&4 start.Favre isn’t a modern QB by any means. The likes of Dante, McNabb, and Vick are totally different QB's, and they are all solid. Then you have Manning who is having a freakish year. But after those 4, who's your next QB? I would think Favre would come to mind. Now Vick isn’t considered a top qb this year, but if you look at the other 3, they all have those WR that are making a diff. This year Javon broke into that category, and even driver had a solid season. If we can keep Ferg health next year, then I wouldn't see it to be far fetched to see Favre leading the league in TD passes once again.I think Favre is one of the premier QB's of all time, and with out a question a top 10 next year, most likely a top 5, and a stretch #1. I think you also have to consider what he does for that team. There was rumors that it was turning into Greens team. . .that’s a joke. I love Green and all, but lets be honest, do any of you think that green could have had his season last year or even this year with Peterson at the helm?Bash Favre if you want, but you can't argue history. You mention all these other QB's being oh so great despite the fact that they are all seasoned vetrans and haven’t won a SB yet. Throw 100 td's in a season for all I care, but if manning chokes like he has in seasons past, then really what are we comparing?oh, and on the Brady comments. . .I give him credit for his 2 SB, but really it was the kicker that won both of those games, and it was a product of a well rounded team that got him there. Brady is a good qb the i think will be forgotten in the not so distant future.that’s my 2 cents. . .errr dollars I guess, take it for what its worth.I just hope to see him one more season and hopefully go out on a game that doesnt end on one of his int's.

Vick is not a top 5 QB and is not solid.

wasn't vick the guy who came in a few years ago and handed Farve his #### on a platter? Just like MIN a road DOME team coming into cold Green Bay and showing Farve how it's done. What happened to the Lambeau mystique?

The Falcons beat the Packers that day. Vick had help I am pretty sure. The FALCONS were the better team.

They were? GB was a nice favorite so how was the Falcons and an Vick in his first playoff game a better team? Why can't some people open their eyes? Last time I looked, Vegas doesn't award the FAVORITE team to get points.

They won the game and proved they were the better team. I did not mean going into the game. I personally believed Green Bay could overcome the injuries they had at the time and beat atlanta. They proved they had the better TEAM (see this is the point).

 

[rhawkins68]

Note : QB Brett Favre not only finished with the fourth 4,000-yard passing season of his career, he also set an NFL record by throwing 30 or more touchdowns for the eighth time in his career. The Packers also finished the season with several other team records: Their 6,349 yards in total offense, 354 first downs and 382 completions all were most in franchise history.

Anyone care to argue that Favre didn’t have a huge part in this?

I will agree that when Favre has a dismal game it is an awful game, but take yesterdays game. When your down by 17 in the first 5 min of a game, it's going to be one of those games. You could see it in the whole team. Wr were out of sync, and Favre was out of sync. The running game hasn’t been solid for most of the season except for a handful of games, but I don’t think Green broke 100 in the last 7 or 8 games.

In recent years, GB has been put on the field as one of the better teams, and a team to beat, and to be honest, with the defense they had this year, and the types of offenses they had to play this year, I was just happy to see them get back from their 1&4 start.

Favre isn’t a modern QB by any means. The likes of Dante, McNabb, and Vick are totally different QB's, and they are all solid. Then you have Manning who is having a freakish year. But after those 4, who's your next QB? I would think Favre would come to mind. Now Vick isn’t considered a top qb this year, but if you look at the other 3, they all have those WR that are making a diff. This year Javon broke into that category, and even driver had a solid season. If we can keep Ferg health next year, then I wouldn't see it to be far fetched to see Favre leading the league in TD passes once again.

I think Favre is one of the premier QB's of all time, and with out a question a top 10 next year, most likely a top 5, and a stretch #1. I think you also have to consider what he does for that team. There was rumors that it was turning into Greens team. . .that’s a joke. I love Green and all, but lets be honest, do any of you think that green could have had his season last year or even this year with Peterson at the helm?

Bash Favre if you want, but you can't argue history. You mention all these other QB's being oh so great despite the fact that they are all seasoned vetrans and haven’t won a SB yet. Throw 100 td's in a season for all I care, but if manning chokes like he has in seasons past, then really what are we comparing?

oh, and on the Brady comments. . .I give him credit for his 2 SB, but really it was the kicker that won both of those games, and it was a product of a well rounded team that got him there. Brady is a good qb the i think will be forgotten in the not so distant future.

that’s my 2 cents. . .errr dollars I guess, take it for what its worth.

I just hope to see him one more season and hopefully go out on a game that doesnt end on one of his int's.

Vick is not a top 5 QB and is not solid.

Sure seems like the team wins when he plays though, don't it? He might not have the pretty stats like some QB's, but bottom line, Atlanta wins when he's behind center. That counts for something in your book, no?

It counts for something but he is not a top 5 or 10 QB. He is the piece they need to complete the team. There are alot of QB's that could fill in and do better witht he supporting cast.In the future he could get better just not now. Also, do not forget the falcons are something like 25-22 since he become the starter.

Just a "piece," huh? Atlanta must be brain-damaged to hand him a $130M contract then, since, as you said, any number of QB's out there could step in and do just as well.By the way, where'd you get the 25-22 stat from? Just made it up? How 'bout a

He became the starter in 2002 and yes they are nuts handing him that money..http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/atlindex.htm

Uh yeah, maybe it would've helped had you looked a bit deeper than just the teams W-L record the past 3 years, eh? As of the day he signed that monstrous contract, Vick's record is actually 24-12-1. Guess that means they're 1-10 when he misses a game. I'd say he's pretty valuable, wouldn't you? Vick signs record $130 million deal

I am talking about the teams record.He was the starter and a backup had to replace him because he was not durable enough why would you not hold that against him.

Therefore since he's been the starter the record I stated is correct.

He has not been a huge benefit to the team creating a .500 record or so. He missed another game this year with injury so he has yet to even play a full season. Every one wonders if he can make a season including the coaches. I would much rather have a Manning, Culpepper, or Brady. That I know will make the season barring an unavoidable injury over Vick who consistantly has to put himself in a postion to be injured just to be considered good quarterback and not below average.

 

[Beergogglz]

Note : QB Brett Favre not only finished with the fourth 4,000-yard passing season of his career, he also set an NFL record by throwing 30 or more touchdowns for the eighth time in his career. The Packers also finished the season with several other team records: Their 6,349 yards in total offense, 354 first downs and 382 completions all were most in franchise history.

Anyone care to argue that Favre didn’t have a huge part in this?

I will agree that when Favre has a dismal game it is an awful game, but take yesterdays game. When your down by 17 in the first 5 min of a game, it's going to be one of those games. You could see it in the whole team. Wr were out of sync, and Favre was out of sync. The running game hasn’t been solid for most of the season except for a handful of games, but I don’t think Green broke 100 in the last 7 or 8 games.

In recent years, GB has been put on the field as one of the better teams, and a team to beat, and to be honest, with the defense they had this year, and the types of offenses they had to play this year, I was just happy to see them get back from their 1&4 start.

Favre isn’t a modern QB by any means. The likes of Dante, McNabb, and Vick are totally different QB's, and they are all solid. Then you have Manning who is having a freakish year. But after those 4, who's your next QB? I would think Favre would come to mind. Now Vick isn’t considered a top qb this year, but if you look at the other 3, they all have those WR that are making a diff. This year Javon broke into that category, and even driver had a solid season. If we can keep Ferg health next year, then I wouldn't see it to be far fetched to see Favre leading the league in TD passes once again.

I think Favre is one of the premier QB's of all time, and with out a question a top 10 next year, most likely a top 5, and a stretch #1. I think you also have to consider what he does for that team. There was rumors that it was turning into Greens team. . .that’s a joke. I love Green and all, but lets be honest, do any of you think that green could have had his season last year or even this year with Peterson at the helm?

Bash Favre if you want, but you can't argue history. You mention all these other QB's being oh so great despite the fact that they are all seasoned vetrans and haven’t won a SB yet. Throw 100 td's in a season for all I care, but if manning chokes like he has in seasons past, then really what are we comparing?

oh, and on the Brady comments. . .I give him credit for his 2 SB, but really it was the kicker that won both of those games, and it was a product of a well rounded team that got him there. Brady is a good qb the i think will be forgotten in the not so distant future.

that’s my 2 cents. . .errr dollars I guess, take it for what its worth.

I just hope to see him one more season and hopefully go out on a game that doesnt end on one of his int's.

Vick is not a top 5 QB and is not solid.

Sure seems like the team wins when he plays though, don't it? He might not have the pretty stats like some QB's, but bottom line, Atlanta wins when he's behind center. That counts for something in your book, no?

It counts for something but he is not a top 5 or 10 QB. He is the piece they need to complete the team. There are alot of QB's that could fill in and do better witht he supporting cast.In the future he could get better just not now. Also, do not forget the falcons are something like 25-22 since he become the starter.

Just a "piece," huh? Atlanta must be brain-damaged to hand him a $130M contract then, since, as you said, any number of QB's out there could step in and do just as well.By the way, where'd you get the 25-22 stat from? Just made it up? How 'bout a

He became the starter in 2002 and yes they are nuts handing him that money..http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/atlindex.htm

Uh yeah, maybe it would've helped had you looked a bit deeper than just the teams W-L record the past 3 years, eh? As of the day he signed that monstrous contract, Vick's record is actually 24-12-1. Guess that means they're 1-10 when he misses a game. I'd say he's pretty valuable, wouldn't you? Vick signs record $130 million deal

I am talking about the teams record.He was the starter and a backup had to replace him because he was not durable enough why would you not hold that against him.

Therefore since he's been the starter the record I stated is correct.

He has not been a huge benefit to the team creating a .500 record or so. He missed another game this year with injury so he has yet to even play a full season. Every one wonders if he can make a season including the coaches. I would much rather have a Manning, Culpepper, or Brady. That I know will make the season barring an unavoidable injury over Vick who consistantly has to put himself in a postion to be injured just to be considered good quarterback and not below average.

Think of it this way: would you blame a pitcher with 18 wins and 5 losses (who only appears in a fifth of his teams games) for their overall 50-112 record? Of course not. It's silly.Has Vick had injuires? You bet. But when he's in there under center, Atlanta does well, as evidenced by his record when he plays.

Hijack over.

 

[Bull Dozier]

Think of it this way: would you blame a pitcher with 18 wins and 5 losses (who only appears in a fifth of his teams games) for their overall 50-112 record? Of course not. It's silly.Has Vick had injuires? You bet. But when he's in there under center, Atlanta does well, as evidenced by his record when he plays.Hijack over.

Is Rickey Williams at all responsible for Miami's horrid season?

 

[rhawkins68]

Note : QB Brett Favre not only finished with the fourth 4,000-yard passing season of his career, he also set an NFL record by throwing 30 or more touchdowns for the eighth time in his career. The Packers also finished the season with several other team records: Their 6,349 yards in total offense, 354 first downs and 382 completions all were most in franchise history.

Anyone care to argue that Favre didn’t have a huge part in this?

I will agree that when Favre has a dismal game it is an awful game, but take yesterdays game. When your down by 17 in the first 5 min of a game, it's going to be one of those games. You could see it in the whole team. Wr were out of sync, and Favre was out of sync. The running game hasn’t been solid for most of the season except for a handful of games, but I don’t think Green broke 100 in the last 7 or 8 games.

In recent years, GB has been put on the field as one of the better teams, and a team to beat, and to be honest, with the defense they had this year, and the types of offenses they had to play this year, I was just happy to see them get back from their 1&4 start.

Favre isn’t a modern QB by any means. The likes of Dante, McNabb, and Vick are totally different QB's, and they are all solid. Then you have Manning who is having a freakish year. But after those 4, who's your next QB? I would think Favre would come to mind. Now Vick isn’t considered a top qb this year, but if you look at the other 3, they all have those WR that are making a diff. This year Javon broke into that category, and even driver had a solid season. If we can keep Ferg health next year, then I wouldn't see it to be far fetched to see Favre leading the league in TD passes once again.

I think Favre is one of the premier QB's of all time, and with out a question a top 10 next year, most likely a top 5, and a stretch #1. I think you also have to consider what he does for that team. There was rumors that it was turning into Greens team. . .that’s a joke. I love Green and all, but lets be honest, do any of you think that green could have had his season last year or even this year with Peterson at the helm?

Bash Favre if you want, but you can't argue history. You mention all these other QB's being oh so great despite the fact that they are all seasoned vetrans and haven’t won a SB yet. Throw 100 td's in a season for all I care, but if manning chokes like he has in seasons past, then really what are we comparing?

oh, and on the Brady comments. . .I give him credit for his 2 SB, but really it was the kicker that won both of those games, and it was a product of a well rounded team that got him there. Brady is a good qb the i think will be forgotten in the not so distant future.

that’s my 2 cents. . .errr dollars I guess, take it for what its worth.

I just hope to see him one more season and hopefully go out on a game that doesnt end on one of his int's.

Vick is not a top 5 QB and is not solid.

Sure seems like the team wins when he plays though, don't it? He might not have the pretty stats like some QB's, but bottom line, Atlanta wins when he's behind center. That counts for something in your book, no?

It counts for something but he is not a top 5 or 10 QB. He is the piece they need to complete the team. There are alot of QB's that could fill in and do better witht he supporting cast.In the future he could get better just not now. Also, do not forget the falcons are something like 25-22 since he become the starter.

Just a "piece," huh? Atlanta must be brain-damaged to hand him a $130M contract then, since, as you said, any number of QB's out there could step in and do just as well.By the way, where'd you get the 25-22 stat from? Just made it up? How 'bout a

He became the starter in 2002 and yes they are nuts handing him that money..http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/atlindex.htm

Uh yeah, maybe it would've helped had you looked a bit deeper than just the teams W-L record the past 3 years, eh? As of the day he signed that monstrous contract, Vick's record is actually 24-12-1. Guess that means they're 1-10 when he misses a game. I'd say he's pretty valuable, wouldn't you? Vick signs record $130 million deal

I am talking about the teams record.He was the starter and a backup had to replace him because he was not durable enough why would you not hold that against him.

Therefore since he's been the starter the record I stated is correct.

He has not been a huge benefit to the team creating a .500 record or so. He missed another game this year with injury so he has yet to even play a full season. Every one wonders if he can make a season including the coaches. I would much rather have a Manning, Culpepper, or Brady. That I know will make the season barring an unavoidable injury over Vick who consistantly has to put himself in a postion to be injured just to be considered good quarterback and not below average.

Think of it this way: would you blame a pitcher with 18 wins and 5 losses (who only appears in a fifth of his teams games) for their overall 50-112 record? Of course not. It's silly.Has Vick had injuires? You bet. But when he's in there under center, Atlanta does well, as evidenced by his record when he plays.

Hijack over.

A pitcher is a part of a rotation not THE pitcher. It is assumed he will provide a certain amount of games. Now if said pitcher only plays in half of his rotation then he is hurting the team.Vick was hired and stated to be the starting QB during that time. He could not perform because he was injured. So yes he is responsible because he is the starting QB no one else is (unlike in baseball). The injuries are due to his size and his playing style (having to run to be a good QB) which put him at a VERY high risk of injury.

Although, your comparision to a baseball team could be accurate for Atlanta since if Vick continues to run they will need a rotation of Solid QB's to play while he is injured.

 

[Beergogglz]

Note : QB Brett Favre not only finished with the fourth 4,000-yard passing season of his career, he also set an NFL record by throwing 30 or more touchdowns for the eighth time in his career. The Packers also finished the season with several other team records: Their 6,349 yards in total offense, 354 first downs and 382 completions all were most in franchise history.

Anyone care to argue that Favre didn’t have a huge part in this?

I will agree that when Favre has a dismal game it is an awful game, but take yesterdays game. When your down by 17 in the first 5 min of a game, it's going to be one of those games. You could see it in the whole team. Wr were out of sync, and Favre was out of sync. The running game hasn’t been solid for most of the season except for a handful of games, but I don’t think Green broke 100 in the last 7 or 8 games.

In recent years, GB has been put on the field as one of the better teams, and a team to beat, and to be honest, with the defense they had this year, and the types of offenses they had to play this year, I was just happy to see them get back from their 1&4 start.

Favre isn’t a modern QB by any means. The likes of Dante, McNabb, and Vick are totally different QB's, and they are all solid. Then you have Manning who is having a freakish year. But after those 4, who's your next QB? I would think Favre would come to mind. Now Vick isn’t considered a top qb this year, but if you look at the other 3, they all have those WR that are making a diff. This year Javon broke into that category, and even driver had a solid season. If we can keep Ferg health next year, then I wouldn't see it to be far fetched to see Favre leading the league in TD passes once again.

I think Favre is one of the premier QB's of all time, and with out a question a top 10 next year, most likely a top 5, and a stretch #1. I think you also have to consider what he does for that team. There was rumors that it was turning into Greens team. . .that’s a joke. I love Green and all, but lets be honest, do any of you think that green could have had his season last year or even this year with Peterson at the helm?

Bash Favre if you want, but you can't argue history. You mention all these other QB's being oh so great despite the fact that they are all seasoned vetrans and haven’t won a SB yet. Throw 100 td's in a season for all I care, but if manning chokes like he has in seasons past, then really what are we comparing?

oh, and on the Brady comments. . .I give him credit for his 2 SB, but really it was the kicker that won both of those games, and it was a product of a well rounded team that got him there. Brady is a good qb the i think will be forgotten in the not so distant future.

that’s my 2 cents. . .errr dollars I guess, take it for what its worth.

I just hope to see him one more season and hopefully go out on a game that doesnt end on one of his int's.

Vick is not a top 5 QB and is not solid.

Sure seems like the team wins when he plays though, don't it? He might not have the pretty stats like some QB's, but bottom line, Atlanta wins when he's behind center. That counts for something in your book, no?

It counts for something but he is not a top 5 or 10 QB. He is the piece they need to complete the team. There are alot of QB's that could fill in and do better witht he supporting cast.In the future he could get better just not now. Also, do not forget the falcons are something like 25-22 since he become the starter.

Just a "piece," huh? Atlanta must be brain-damaged to hand him a $130M contract then, since, as you said, any number of QB's out there could step in and do just as well.By the way, where'd you get the 25-22 stat from? Just made it up? How 'bout a

He became the starter in 2002 and yes they are nuts handing him that money..http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/atlindex.htm

Uh yeah, maybe it would've helped had you looked a bit deeper than just the teams W-L record the past 3 years, eh? As of the day he signed that monstrous contract, Vick's record is actually 24-12-1. Guess that means they're 1-10 when he misses a game. I'd say he's pretty valuable, wouldn't you? Vick signs record $130 million deal

I am talking about the teams record.He was the starter and a backup had to replace him because he was not durable enough why would you not hold that against him.

Therefore since he's been the starter the record I stated is correct.

He has not been a huge benefit to the team creating a .500 record or so. He missed another game this year with injury so he has yet to even play a full season. Every one wonders if he can make a season including the coaches. I would much rather have a Manning, Culpepper, or Brady. That I know will make the season barring an unavoidable injury over Vick who consistantly has to put himself in a postion to be injured just to be considered good quarterback and not below average.

Think of it this way: would you blame a pitcher with 18 wins and 5 losses (who only appears in a fifth of his teams games) for their overall 50-112 record? Of course not. It's silly.Has Vick had injuires? You bet. But when he's in there under center, Atlanta does well, as evidenced by his record when he plays.

Hijack over.

A pitcher is a part of a rotation not THE pitcher. It is assumed he will provide a certain amount of games. Now if said pitcher only plays in half of his rotation then he is hurting the team.Vick was hired and stated to be the starting QB during that time. He could not perform because he was injured. So yes he is responsible because he is the starting QB no one else is (unlike in baseball). The injuries are due to his size and his playing style (having to run to be a good QB) which put him at a VERY high risk of injury.

Although, your comparision to a baseball team could be accurate for Atlanta since if Vick continues to run they will need a rotation of Solid QB's to play while he is injured.

So you're of the mind that it would be fair to compare the W-L records of Favre and Vick, then? Favre has played a hand in all of those games by actually playing, whereas Vick has missed some due to injury.

 

[Beergogglz]

Think of it this way: would you blame a pitcher with 18 wins and 5 losses (who only appears in a fifth of his teams games) for their overall 50-112 record? Of course not. It's silly.

Has Vick had injuires? You bet. But when he's in there under center, Atlanta does well, as evidenced by his record when he plays.

Hijack over.

Is Rickey Williams at all responsible for Miami's horrid season?

Apples and oranges. Williams chose not to be there, while Vick was injured in the line of duty. Big difference.

 

[rhawkins68]

Quotes were getting to long so I cut.

So you're of the mind that it would be fair to compare the W-L records of Favre and Vick, then? Favre has played a hand in all of those games by actually playing, whereas Vick has missed some due to injury.

Yes. I think it is completly fair when evaluating talent. Farve has managed how many 13 or more years healthy winning seasons. Vick has not managed that as of yet due to his playing style and size in my opinion. I would have far less worries with McNabb and Culpepper making a mad dash than Vick. Vick is speed and nothing else. So yes I take the QB (and especially pay) that I can trust to be in the game for me.

 

[Beergogglz]

Quotes were getting to long so I cut.

So you're of the mind that it would be fair to compare the W-L records of Favre and Vick, then? Favre has played a hand in all of those games by actually playing, whereas Vick has missed some due to injury.

Yes. I think it is completly fair when evaluating talent. Farve has managed how many 13 or more years healthy winning seasons. Vick has not managed that as of yet due to his playing style and size in my opinion. I would have far less worries with McNabb and Culpepper making a mad dash than Vick. Vick is speed and nothing else. So yes I take the QB (and especially pay) that I can trust to be in the game for me.

But you're acting like those factors are known entities prior to paying, RH. They're not. And aren't you the same guy who railed against pointing to one person (Favre, in the original scenario) as a focal point of blame in a team game? Sheesh.....

 

[14464]

Why can't some people open their eyes? Last time I looked, Vegas doesn't award the FAVORITE team to get points.

What a tool you are. Do you know how Vegas works?? They give the point spreads based on who is betting what team. The game last Sunday I would assume Vegas made a killing on since many people in Wisconsin and other places were surely betting the Packers. They had good reason too as well to bet the Packers based on recent history between the two teams. If we had a "tool" smilie everybody would be lacing you with them because that is what you simply are.

I think it was already established you were THE tool a LONG time before I decided to start posting on this thread. Lucky you.

 

[14464]

Note : QB Brett Favre not only finished with the fourth 4,000-yard passing season of his career, he also set an NFL record by throwing 30 or more touchdowns for the eighth time in his career. The Packers also finished the season with several other team records: Their 6,349 yards in total offense, 354 first downs and 382 completions all were most in franchise history.Anyone care to argue that Favre didn’t have a huge part in this?I will agree that when Favre has a dismal game it is an awful game, but take yesterdays game. When your down by 17 in the first 5 min of a game, it's going to be one of those games. You could see it in the whole team. Wr were out of sync, and Favre was out of sync. The running game hasn’t been solid for most of the season except for a handful of games, but I don’t think Green broke 100 in the last 7 or 8 games.In recent years, GB has been put on the field as one of the better teams, and a team to beat, and to be honest, with the defense they had this year, and the types of offenses they had to play this year, I was just happy to see them get back from their 1&4 start.Favre isn’t a modern QB by any means. The likes of Dante, McNabb, and Vick are totally different QB's, and they are all solid. Then you have Manning who is having a freakish year. But after those 4, who's your next QB? I would think Favre would come to mind. Now Vick isn’t considered a top qb this year, but if you look at the other 3, they all have those WR that are making a diff. This year Javon broke into that category, and even driver had a solid season. If we can keep Ferg health next year, then I wouldn't see it to be far fetched to see Favre leading the league in TD passes once again.I think Favre is one of the premier QB's of all time, and with out a question a top 10 next year, most likely a top 5, and a stretch #1. I think you also have to consider what he does for that team. There was rumors that it was turning into Greens team. . .that’s a joke. I love Green and all, but lets be honest, do any of you think that green could have had his season last year or even this year with Peterson at the helm?Bash Favre if you want, but you can't argue history. You mention all these other QB's being oh so great despite the fact that they are all seasoned vetrans and haven’t won a SB yet. Throw 100 td's in a season for all I care, but if manning chokes like he has in seasons past, then really what are we comparing?oh, and on the Brady comments. . .I give him credit for his 2 SB, but really it was the kicker that won both of those games, and it was a product of a well rounded team that got him there. Brady is a good qb the i think will be forgotten in the not so distant future.that’s my 2 cents. . .errr dollars I guess, take it for what its worth.I just hope to see him one more season and hopefully go out on a game that doesnt end on one of his int's.

Vick is not a top 5 QB and is not solid.

wasn't vick the guy who came in a few years ago and handed Farve his #### on a platter? Just like MIN a road DOME team coming into cold Green Bay and showing Farve how it's done. What happened to the Lambeau mystique?

The Falcons beat the Packers that day. Vick had help I am pretty sure. The FALCONS were the better team.

They were? GB was a nice favorite so how was the Falcons and an Vick in his first playoff game a better team? Why can't some people open their eyes? Last time I looked, Vegas doesn't award the FAVORITE team to get points.

They won the game and proved they were the better team. I did not mean going into the game. I personally believed Green Bay could overcome the injuries they had at the time and beat atlanta. They proved they had the better TEAM (see this is the point).

Point well taken. What I would like to know is this:With Farve having top tier WR (at least better than average) and a top flight RB why can't he win against dome teams AT HOME? If you can't beat an inexperienced Vick when Vegas is picking them as the favorite (and yes PKev I know how Vegas works, no way in hell would Falcons going to give up points though or they wouldn't collect the vig) at HOME in bad weather against a DOME team and do the same thing year after year, how can he be deemed one of the best QBs of our lifetime? Should they have lost to MIN last week? No way in hell! Did GB defense give up 17 points? Yes, but MIN has a WORSE defense and can easily be scored on. If you can't believe that Farve could come back from a 17 point deficit then is that a HOF QB? By the way, on Farve's INT, a few of them MIN could have put up more points but GB held them.By the way, I am sure all of you saw the game an interesting stat came up saying that FARVE has NEVER come from 14 points down in a postseason game to win.

 

[rhawkins68]

Quotes were getting to long so I cut.

So you're of the mind that it would be fair to compare the W-L records of Favre and Vick, then? Favre has played a hand in all of those games by actually playing, whereas Vick has missed some due to injury.

Yes. I think it is completly fair when evaluating talent. Farve has managed how many 13 or more years healthy winning seasons. Vick has not managed that as of yet due to his playing style and size in my opinion. I would have far less worries with McNabb and Culpepper making a mad dash than Vick. Vick is speed and nothing else. So yes I take the QB (and especially pay) that I can trust to be in the game for me.

But you're acting like those factors are known entities prior to paying, RH. They're not. And aren't you the same guy who railed against pointing to one person (Favre, in the original scenario) as a focal point of blame in a team game? Sheesh.....

We are evaluating talent as set forth today. So if I have not paid but I question making Vick the highest paid player in the league when he has not proven he can complete a season. Also, I am only using the Farve comparison to make a point that in what seem like forever he has not missed a game and forced the team to depend on it's backup for extended amounts of time. Where Vick has done that to his team based off of his style of play.Farve has had alot of help and he would be the first to admit that I am sure. He has benfitted from a great organization and supporting cast for years as all Great players do. But in the end it is the team that wins or loses.

 

[Mario Kart]

Why can't some people open their eyes? Last time I looked, Vegas doesn't award the FAVORITE team to get points.

What a tool you are. Do you know how Vegas works?? They give the point spreads based on who is betting what team. The game last Sunday I would assume Vegas made a killing on since many people in Wisconsin and other places were surely betting the Packers. They had good reason too as well to bet the Packers based on recent history between the two teams. If we had a "tool" smilie everybody would be lacing you with them because that is what you simply are.

I think it was already established you were THE tool a LONG time before I decided to start posting on this thread. Lucky you.

Great comeback

 

[Beergogglz]

Quotes were getting to long so I cut.

So you're of the mind that it would be fair to compare the W-L records of Favre and Vick, then? Favre has played a hand in all of those games by actually playing, whereas Vick has missed some due to injury.

Yes. I think it is completly fair when evaluating talent. Farve has managed how many 13 or more years healthy winning seasons. Vick has not managed that as of yet due to his playing style and size in my opinion. I would have far less worries with McNabb and Culpepper making a mad dash than Vick. Vick is speed and nothing else. So yes I take the QB (and especially pay) that I can trust to be in the game for me.

But you're acting like those factors are known entities prior to paying, RH. They're not. And aren't you the same guy who railed against pointing to one person (Favre, in the original scenario) as a focal point of blame in a team game? Sheesh.....

We are evaluating talent as set forth today. So if I have not paid but I question making Vick the highest paid player in the league when he has not proven he can complete a season. Also, I am only using the Farve comparison to make a point that in what seem like forever he has not missed a game and forced the team to depend on it's backup for extended amounts of time. Where Vick has done that to his team based off of his style of play.

Farve has had alot of help and he would be the first to admit that I am sure. He has benfitted from a great organization and supporting cast for years as all Great players do. But in the end it is the team that wins or loses.

Ah, so the parameters have been changed solely to try and support your argument? Got it. Not sure who would buy into that line of thinking, though. When looking at a QB's career record, no reputable source merely looks at the teams tally over that period and then assigns it to the player.

 

[rhawkins68]

Quotes were getting to long so I cut.

So you're of the mind that it would be fair to compare the W-L records of Favre and Vick, then? Favre has played a hand in all of those games by actually playing, whereas Vick has missed some due to injury.

Yes. I think it is completly fair when evaluating talent. Farve has managed how many 13 or more years healthy winning seasons. Vick has not managed that as of yet due to his playing style and size in my opinion. I would have far less worries with McNabb and Culpepper making a mad dash than Vick. Vick is speed and nothing else. So yes I take the QB (and especially pay) that I can trust to be in the game for me.

But you're acting like those factors are known entities prior to paying, RH. They're not. And aren't you the same guy who railed against pointing to one person (Favre, in the original scenario) as a focal point of blame in a team game? Sheesh.....

We are evaluating talent as set forth today. So if I have not paid but I question making Vick the highest paid player in the league when he has not proven he can complete a season. Also, I am only using the Farve comparison to make a point that in what seem like forever he has not missed a game and forced the team to depend on it's backup for extended amounts of time. Where Vick has done that to his team based off of his style of play.

Farve has had alot of help and he would be the first to admit that I am sure. He has benfitted from a great organization and supporting cast for years as all Great players do. But in the end it is the team that wins or loses.

Ah, so the parameters have been changed solely to try and support your argument? Got it. Not sure who would buy into that line of thinking, though. When looking at a QB's career record, no reputable source merely looks at the teams tally over that period and then assigns it to the player.

The fact is Brett Farve today is a better QB than Vick. Vick is a glorified Tail back and nothing more. So use all your funny symbols and insults when you cannot support your argument based on fact.

I will not sink that low.

I have merely tried to use the arguments that people use to support Vick. When you can give a detailed point by point comparision of Vick versus Farve or 10 other QB's then I will listen again. When you do make sure you include the time they have been starters.

 

[Beergogglz]

Ah, so the parameters have been changed solely to try and support your argument?     Got it.  Not sure who would buy into that line of thinking, though.  When looking at a QB's career record, no reputable source merely looks at the teams tally over that period and then assigns it to the player.  

The fact is Brett Farve today is a better QB than Vick. Vick is a glorified Tail back and nothing more. So use all your funny symbols and insults when you cannot support your argument based on fact.

I will not sink that low.

I have merely tried to use the arguments that people use to support Vick. When you can give a detailed point by point comparision of Vick versus Farve or 10 other QB's then I will listen again. When you do make sure you include the time they have been starters.

That's never been an issue that I've broached, RH. I merely said that your way of trying to attribute Atlanta's overall record during Vick's career solely to him while ignoring the fact he's missed games was short sighted, incorrect and foolish. Then you spun it into a Favre vs. Vick thing. Man, why do Favre homers get their panties in a knot when others don't see Precious in the same doe-eyed way as they do?

 

[14464]

Why can't some people open their eyes? Last time I looked, Vegas doesn't award the FAVORITE team to get points.

What a tool you are. Do you know how Vegas works?? They give the point spreads based on who is betting what team. The game last Sunday I would assume Vegas made a killing on since many people in Wisconsin and other places were surely betting the Packers. They had good reason too as well to bet the Packers based on recent history between the two teams. If we had a "tool" smilie everybody would be lacing you with them because that is what you simply are.

I think it was already established you were THE tool a LONG time before I decided to start posting on this thread. Lucky you.

Great comeback

thanks PKev oh, and chalk Brady up for another big time win....

 

[Beergogglz]

Just a little something we all know the Favre worshipers can use....

Get yours now!

 

[redman]

bump

 

[Chase Stuart]

bump

 

[redman]

bump

Just trying to generate some Favre discussion during a slow offseason day.

 

[radballs]

bump

Just trying to generate some Favre discussion during a slow offseason day.

You mean the other 50 threads aren't enough?

 

[trader jake]

bump

There's actually a lot of great stuff in this thread...From Woodrow making some type of Culpepper > Favre argument to Beergogglez going ape with Vick > Favre.Really, Favre stayed healthy and consistently put his team into a position to win with marginal offensive teammates around him. The bigger the sample size the more likely that (player A) wasn't going to fare as well as Brett did. Some of these old disagreements when "Favre was washed up" really look foolish in hindsight and a bump is entirely appropriate.

 

[trader jake]

Now I get it.

Redman has decided to use the search function and bump up every thread with Favre in it.

 

[PsychoMan]

bump

This is the third old thread I have found with a Redman "bump" bringing it back to life in the past 30 minutes. He must be up to something ...