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Your List Of QBs Good Enough To Get To And Win A Super Bowl (1 Viewer)

Of the current starting QBs in the league...

It would not surprise me at all if any of these win a Super Bowl (obviously not all of them will since only one can win a year, but none of these would be a shock):
Lamar Jackson
Joe Burrow
Josh Allen
CJ Stroud
Trevor Lawrence
Justin Herbert
Aaron Rodgers
Patrick Mahomes
Kirk Cousins
Kyler Murray
Jared Goff
Jordan Love
Matthew Stafford
Jalen Hurts
Brock Purdy
Baker Mayfield

I'd be mildly surprised if these guys win one, but with the right team around them I could see it happening:
Geno Smith
Jayden Daniels
Derek Carr
Caleb Williams
Anthony Richardson

It doesn't look promising:
Deshaun Watson
Bo Nix
Gardner Minshew
Skylar Thompson
Jacoby Brissett
Dak Prescott
Justin Fields
Will Levis
Bryce Young
Sam Darnold
Daniel Jones

Thanks for the full answer there.

I feel like I'm the Dak Prescott apologist :lmao: but can you elaborate on how you have him in that bottom tier? I also think Sam Darnold has a shot this year of getting out of that bottom tier.

Which again, is why I'm asking about the player and not so much the team. Darnold is a great example (at least after 2 games) of how team matters.
 
Josh Allen
Aaron Rodgers
Tua Tagovailoa
Justin Herbert
Patrick Mahomes
Russell Wilson
Joe Burrow
Lamar Jackson
CJ Stroud
Jalen Hurts
Dak Prescott
Geno Smith
Kyler Murray
Brock Purdy
Sam Darnold
Jared Goff
Jordan Love
Derrick Carr
Baker Mayfield
Kirk Cousins
Trevor Lawrence

On the edge...
Gardner Minshew
Deshaun Watson

Thank you. So I'm clear, do you think these QBs all could get to and win a super bowl?
Does your question relate to this year only?
 
And to be clear, the question isn't "Good enough by themselves to win a Super Bowl".

Right now, that's probably only Mahomes and Josh Allen.

I'm talking about the QBs who are good enough on an excellent team to get to and win a Super Bowl.

Goff and Prescott can win the Super Bowl with the teams they currently have. Baker cannot. He could if he were on one of the top teams in the league.
The disrespect continues. Keep it up.
 
Right, all good points. But again, is there a single QB in the NFL or even in College or even in the CFL, that wouldn't win a SB with the best player at every position on his team?

Understood. But in a salary cap league, that's not likely to ever happen.

Maybe another way to ask it would be this: If you're an NFL GM, do you feel good enough with your QB that you can compete for a Super Bowl?

Back to Prescott, if I'm Jerry Jones, my answer would be "Yes". Would I rather have Mahomes or Allen? Sure. But that's not happening. I'd say I feel good enough to compete with Prescott.
 
Josh Allen
Aaron Rodgers
Tua Tagovailoa
Justin Herbert
Patrick Mahomes
Russell Wilson
Joe Burrow
Lamar Jackson
CJ Stroud
Jalen Hurts
Dak Prescott
Geno Smith
Kyler Murray
Brock Purdy
Sam Darnold
Jared Goff
Jordan Love
Derrick Carr
Baker Mayfield
Kirk Cousins
Trevor Lawrence

On the edge...
Gardner Minshew
Deshaun Watson

Thank you. So I'm clear, do you think these QBs all could get to and win a super bowl?
Does your question relate to this year only?
Yes
 
And to be clear, the question isn't "Good enough by themselves to win a Super Bowl".

Right now, that's probably only Mahomes and Josh Allen.

I'm talking about the QBs who are good enough on an excellent team to get to and win a Super Bowl.

Goff and Prescott can win the Super Bowl with the teams they currently have. Baker cannot. He could if he were on one of the top teams in the league.
The disrespect continues. Keep it up.

I'd agree. It's two games. But Tampa Bay looks good.
 
And to be clear, the question isn't "Good enough by themselves to win a Super Bowl".

Right now, that's probably only Mahomes and Josh Allen.

I'm talking about the QBs who are good enough on an excellent team to get to and win a Super Bowl.

Goff and Prescott can win the Super Bowl with the teams they currently have. Baker cannot. He could if he were on one of the top teams in the league.
The disrespect continues. Keep it up.

I'd agree. It's two games. But Tampa Bay looks good.
Just an odd post to make the day after Baker beats Goff IN Detroit.
 
And to be clear, the question isn't "Good enough by themselves to win a Super Bowl".

Right now, that's probably only Mahomes and Josh Allen.

I'm talking about the QBs who are good enough on an excellent team to get to and win a Super Bowl.
Given that the only active starting QB to get to and win a SB are Mahomes, Stafford, and Rodgers, it’s hard to pin down who might be able to do it. I don’t have a ton of confidence in Allen, Burrow, or Jackson in the AFC. And I have less confidence in Prescott, Purdy, Goff, and Hurts in the NFC. Based on that, there will be an AFC squad that will get to the AFCCG and an NFC team that will get to the SB. But I wouldn’t give those teams a great shot to beat KC short of a key injury or some fluke outcome.
absurd, Philly was one inexpicable play away from beating them just a few years ago.

And as an addition to my earlier post, lets remember Philly DID recently win a superbowl with a career backup who has never had a full season as a top half QB
 
Right, all good points. But again, is there a single QB in the NFL or even in College or even in the CFL, that wouldn't win a SB with the best player at every position on his team?

Understood. But in a salary cap league, that's not likely to ever happen.

Maybe another way to ask it would be this: If you're an NFL GM, do you feel good enough with your QB that you can compete for a Super Bowl?

Back to Prescott, if I'm Jerry Jones, my answer would be "Yes". Would I rather have Mahomes or Allen? Sure. But that's not happening. I'd say I feel good enough to compete with Prescott.
I think the bolded clarifies the question much better, as well as fitting my initial response. In that context, there are three or four GMs that feel great (Mahomes, Burrow, Allen), and another 12-15 that feel they do (Hurts, Purdy, Goff, etc.), but would remain open to an improvement if opportunity presented. Another 6-8 that HOPE they have the guy but either lack the data or simply feel bad about the odds (Lack of data as in Daniels and Williams, fading hope as in Watson, Young)

IE: 15-18 GMs that feel good to great,
 
Right, all good points. But again, is there a single QB in the NFL or even in College or even in the CFL, that wouldn't win a SB with the best player at every position on his team?

Understood. But in a salary cap league, that's not likely to ever happen.

Maybe another way to ask it would be this: If you're an NFL GM, do you feel good enough with your QB that you can compete for a Super Bowl?

Back to Prescott, if I'm Jerry Jones, my answer would be "Yes". Would I rather have Mahomes or Allen? Sure. But that's not happening. I'd say I feel good enough to compete with Prescott.
I think the bolded clarifies the question much better, as well as fitting my initial response. In that context, there are three or four GMs that feel great (Mahomes, Burrow, Allen), and another 12-15 that feel they do (Hurts, Purdy, Goff, etc.), but would remain open to an improvement if opportunity presented. Another 6-8 that HOPE they have the guy but either lack the data or simply feel bad about the odds (Lack of data as in Daniels and Williams, fading hope as in Watson, Young)

IE: 15-18 GMs that feel good to great,
Which 12 do you think don't feel good about it? Seems like a lot. Usually most teams have either a guy they think is good enough to be a franchise QB, or a young guy they think will develop into one.
 
Of the current starting QBs in the league...

It would not surprise me at all if any of these win a Super Bowl (obviously not all of them will since only one can win a year, but none of these would be a shock):
Lamar Jackson
Joe Burrow
Josh Allen
CJ Stroud
Trevor Lawrence
Justin Herbert
Aaron Rodgers
Patrick Mahomes
Kirk Cousins
Kyler Murray
Jared Goff
Jordan Love
Matthew Stafford
Jalen Hurts
Brock Purdy
Baker Mayfield

I'd be mildly surprised if these guys win one, but with the right team around them I could see it happening:
Geno Smith
Jayden Daniels
Derek Carr
Caleb Williams
Anthony Richardson

It doesn't look promising:
Deshaun Watson
Bo Nix
Gardner Minshew
Skylar Thompson
Jacoby Brissett
Dak Prescott
Justin Fields
Will Levis
Bryce Young
Sam Darnold
Daniel Jones

Thanks for the full answer there.

I feel like I'm the Dak Prescott apologist :lmao: but can you elaborate on how you have him in that bottom tier?

We've had this convo before (see below). As for Darnold, I'm willing to have my mind changed but historically he's rated out really poorly in a bunch of important metrics. Not sure we've seen enough in two games to overcome that but I'll have to revisit it.

Don’t think it matters whether McCarthy or someone else is the coach, at least for next year. Dak Prescott isn’t going to win a Super Bowl. That’s the problem the Cowboys need to solve.

Can you elaborate on how Prescott is the problem?

What would you suggest they do?

Prescott has repeatedly flamed out in big spots. He's 2-5 lifetime in the playoffs, and now it's a stink that won't wash off him. You can see it's in his head. It's not like he's one of these young guys who can shake it off as a bad beat and turn it around, at a certain point it's just who he is. He's in his 30s, if he hasn't figured it out yet he's not going to - and in fact the longer it goes the worse it gets. No lack of talent around him to blame. He's an above average regular season QB who is missing that thing that all the greats have when it comes to playoff time. Who knows how differently last week game goes if he doesn't throw those two disastrous first half INTs?

I have no real suggestions for the Cowboys, sounds like they're stuck with Dak for at least another year. I don't know the details of his contract and whatnot, but if Jerry wants another ring before he gives up the ghost, I'm certain he's going to have to do it with a different QB.
 

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Of the current starting QBs in the league...

It would not surprise me at all if any of these win a Super Bowl (obviously not all of them will since only one can win a year, but none of these would be a shock):
Lamar Jackson
Joe Burrow
Josh Allen
CJ Stroud
Trevor Lawrence
Justin Herbert
Aaron Rodgers
Patrick Mahomes
Kirk Cousins
Kyler Murray
Jared Goff
Jordan Love
Matthew Stafford
Jalen Hurts
Brock Purdy
Baker Mayfield

I'd be mildly surprised if these guys win one, but with the right team around them I could see it happening:
Geno Smith
Jayden Daniels
Derek Carr
Caleb Williams
Anthony Richardson

It doesn't look promising:
Deshaun Watson
Bo Nix
Gardner Minshew
Skylar Thompson
Jacoby Brissett
Dak Prescott
Justin Fields
Will Levis
Bryce Young
Sam Darnold
Daniel Jones

Thanks for the full answer there.

I feel like I'm the Dak Prescott apologist :lmao: but can you elaborate on how you have him in that bottom tier? I also think Sam Darnold has a shot this year of getting out of that bottom tier.

Which again, is why I'm asking about the player and not so much the team. Darnold is a great example (at least after 2 games) of how team matters.

I'm not sure if you're a Dak apologist but you did say you thought Dak was good enough to win a Super Bowl and unless I'm way wrong on this, I'd say you're in the minority with that opinion. Time will ultimately tell, but at age 31 he certainly hasn't demonstrated the ability to win important games consistently. At least in my eyes. I see a guy who cost his team dearly in 3 recent playoff exits.

But props to you for defending your belief. As a fan of Dallas, I hope you're right. As an objective viewer of football, I think I've seen enough to believe he's not good enough to win a Super Bowl (or even get there) and we saw more of that yesterday against New Orleans. 2 more picks, a fumble that set his team back and failure to convert first downs when they matter most. His failed 4th down throw to a practice squad TE says it all for me. As I've said countless times, it's a pattern, it's a problem.

And on Sam Darnold, I'm a big fan personally; think he's a great kid, people that know him, love him. I'm rooting him on this season and beyond. BUT - it was just 3 seasons ago when Darnold started 3-0 for Carolina and looked GREAT doing it. Then he lost a bunch in a row and that was basically that. Cautiously optimistic this is the break he's needed.
 
QB+Teams that can make it all the way (no particular order)
Allen BUF, Goff DET, Love GB, Mahomes KC, Carr NOS, Hurts PHI, Purdy SF, Baker TBB

QB+Teams I wouldn't be shocked if they won it all, mostly QB's who won't lose the SB for their team if they make it (no particular order)
Kyler AZ, Lamar BAL, Burrow CIN, Dak DAL, Stroud HOU, ARod NYJ
 
Of the current starting QBs in the league...

It would not surprise me at all if any of these win a Super Bowl (obviously not all of them will since only one can win a year, but none of these would be a shock):
Lamar Jackson
Joe Burrow
Josh Allen
CJ Stroud
Trevor Lawrence
Justin Herbert
Aaron Rodgers
Patrick Mahomes
Kirk Cousins
Kyler Murray
Jared Goff
Jordan Love
Matthew Stafford
Jalen Hurts
Brock Purdy
Baker Mayfield

I'd be mildly surprised if these guys win one, but with the right team around them I could see it happening:
Geno Smith
Jayden Daniels
Derek Carr
Caleb Williams
Anthony Richardson

It doesn't look promising:
Deshaun Watson
Bo Nix
Gardner Minshew
Skylar Thompson
Jacoby Brissett
Dak Prescott
Justin Fields
Will Levis
Bryce Young
Sam Darnold
Daniel Jones

Thanks for the full answer there.

I feel like I'm the Dak Prescott apologist :lmao: but can you elaborate on how you have him in that bottom tier? I also think Sam Darnold has a shot this year of getting out of that bottom tier.

Which again, is why I'm asking about the player and not so much the team. Darnold is a great example (at least after 2 games) of how team matters.

I'm not sure if you're a Dak apologist but you did say you thought Dak was good enough to win a Super Bowl and unless I'm way wrong on this, I'd say you're in the minority with that opinion. Time will ultimately tell, but at age 31 he certainly hasn't demonstrated the ability to win important games consistently. At least in my eyes. I see a guy who cost his team dearly in 3 recent playoff exits.

But props to you for defending your belief. As a fan of Dallas, I hope you're right. As an objective viewer of football, I think I've seen enough to believe he's not good enough to win a Super Bowl (or even get there) and we saw more of that yesterday against New Orleans. 2 more picks, a fumble that set his team back and failure to convert first downs when they matter most. His failed 4th down throw to a practice squad TE says it all for me. As I've said countless times, it's a pattern, it's a problem.

And on Sam Darnold, I'm a big fan personally; think he's a great kid, people that know him, love him. I'm rooting him on this season and beyond. BUT - it was just 3 seasons ago when Darnold started 3-0 for Carolina and looked GREAT doing it. Then he lost a bunch in a row and that was basically that. Cautiously optimistic this is the break he's needed.

Thanks. I for sure think Prescott is good enough to win a Super Bowl. Been saying that for a while. I am interested in whether that's a minority opinion. Was hoping to get some of that talk here but I didn't do a good job of guiding the thread.

Hoping it works for Darnold. As I said, it's just 2 games but those have been good games. Especially yesterday against a good team. We'll see.
 
Of the current starting QBs in the league...

It would not surprise me at all if any of these win a Super Bowl (obviously not all of them will since only one can win a year, but none of these would be a shock):
Lamar Jackson
Joe Burrow
Josh Allen
CJ Stroud
Trevor Lawrence
Justin Herbert
Aaron Rodgers
Patrick Mahomes
Kirk Cousins
Kyler Murray
Jared Goff
Jordan Love
Matthew Stafford
Jalen Hurts
Brock Purdy
Baker Mayfield

I'd be mildly surprised if these guys win one, but with the right team around them I could see it happening:
Geno Smith
Jayden Daniels
Derek Carr
Caleb Williams
Anthony Richardson

It doesn't look promising:
Deshaun Watson
Bo Nix
Gardner Minshew
Skylar Thompson
Jacoby Brissett
Dak Prescott
Justin Fields
Will Levis
Bryce Young
Sam Darnold
Daniel Jones

Thanks for the full answer there.

I feel like I'm the Dak Prescott apologist :lmao: but can you elaborate on how you have him in that bottom tier? I also think Sam Darnold has a shot this year of getting out of that bottom tier.

Which again, is why I'm asking about the player and not so much the team. Darnold is a great example (at least after 2 games) of how team matters.

I'm not sure if you're a Dak apologist but you did say you thought Dak was good enough to win a Super Bowl and unless I'm way wrong on this, I'd say you're in the minority with that opinion. Time will ultimately tell, but at age 31 he certainly hasn't demonstrated the ability to win important games consistently. At least in my eyes. I see a guy who cost his team dearly in 3 recent playoff exits.

But props to you for defending your belief. As a fan of Dallas, I hope you're right. As an objective viewer of football, I think I've seen enough to believe he's not good enough to win a Super Bowl (or even get there) and we saw more of that yesterday against New Orleans. 2 more picks, a fumble that set his team back and failure to convert first downs when they matter most. His failed 4th down throw to a practice squad TE says it all for me. As I've said countless times, it's a pattern, it's a problem.

And on Sam Darnold, I'm a big fan personally; think he's a great kid, people that know him, love him. I'm rooting him on this season and beyond. BUT - it was just 3 seasons ago when Darnold started 3-0 for Carolina and looked GREAT doing it. Then he lost a bunch in a row and that was basically that. Cautiously optimistic this is the break he's needed.

Feel the same about both.

Dak is a good QB and will put up stats. Also the Cowboys will leave him no matter if they are losing by 4 scores in the 4th. Dak can easily and has had 150 and a TD or 2 of meaningless scores late in the game. Good for FF though. This is Daks 9th season and his playoff play has hurt not helped his team.

I saw Darnold tear up the Lions a couple years ago when he was with Carolina and it looked like he had the skills. Strong arm ,ran when needed. Not sure why things never worked out for him. Maybe a late bloomer but seems to be in a good situation right now. Still early but he is looking good.
 
Of the current starting QBs in the league...

It would not surprise me at all if any of these win a Super Bowl (obviously not all of them will since only one can win a year, but none of these would be a shock):
Lamar Jackson
Joe Burrow
Josh Allen
CJ Stroud
Trevor Lawrence
Justin Herbert
Aaron Rodgers
Patrick Mahomes
Kirk Cousins
Kyler Murray
Jared Goff
Jordan Love
Matthew Stafford
Jalen Hurts
Brock Purdy
Baker Mayfield

I'd be mildly surprised if these guys win one, but with the right team around them I could see it happening:
Geno Smith
Jayden Daniels
Derek Carr
Caleb Williams
Anthony Richardson

It doesn't look promising:
Deshaun Watson
Bo Nix
Gardner Minshew
Skylar Thompson
Jacoby Brissett
Dak Prescott
Justin Fields
Will Levis
Bryce Young
Sam Darnold
Daniel Jones

Thanks for the full answer there.

I feel like I'm the Dak Prescott apologist :lmao: but can you elaborate on how you have him in that bottom tier? I also think Sam Darnold has a shot this year of getting out of that bottom tier.

Which again, is why I'm asking about the player and not so much the team. Darnold is a great example (at least after 2 games) of how team matters.

I'm not sure if you're a Dak apologist but you did say you thought Dak was good enough to win a Super Bowl and unless I'm way wrong on this, I'd say you're in the minority with that opinion. Time will ultimately tell, but at age 31 he certainly hasn't demonstrated the ability to win important games consistently. At least in my eyes. I see a guy who cost his team dearly in 3 recent playoff exits.

But props to you for defending your belief. As a fan of Dallas, I hope you're right. As an objective viewer of football, I think I've seen enough to believe he's not good enough to win a Super Bowl (or even get there) and we saw more of that yesterday against New Orleans. 2 more picks, a fumble that set his team back and failure to convert first downs when they matter most. His failed 4th down throw to a practice squad TE says it all for me. As I've said countless times, it's a pattern, it's a problem.

And on Sam Darnold, I'm a big fan personally; think he's a great kid, people that know him, love him. I'm rooting him on this season and beyond. BUT - it was just 3 seasons ago when Darnold started 3-0 for Carolina and looked GREAT doing it. Then he lost a bunch in a row and that was basically that. Cautiously optimistic this is the break he's needed.
While I agree with much of your post. I also don’t lay all the blame at Dak’s feet - despite not loving the guy.

No run game
Finesse Defense that can’t stop the run.
Better than average QB who wins in the regular season.

As a Cowboys fan also - we both know they are not winning anything SB wise.

It’s a black and white question that requires context Joe.

So, to answer Joe’s question. Yes they win if they change their salary cap situation by getting a real RB, better DT’s and LB’s and a real coach.
 
Not sure how to even make this list. Baltimore won once with Trent Dilfer....who is probably a little better then the memes and scorn he received over his career, but was an average NFL starting QB in his BEST year. Manning in Denver had the worst arm in the league that year. I realize his brain made up for a lot of it but the end result was a QB who was average at best.

The further you go down the list the better the support system needs to be. But the cutoff would be at least 15 deep.
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Of the current starting QBs in the league...

It would not surprise me at all if any of these win a Super Bowl (obviously not all of them will since only one can win a year, but none of these would be a shock):
Lamar Jackson
Joe Burrow
Josh Allen
CJ Stroud
Trevor Lawrence
Justin Herbert
Aaron Rodgers
Patrick Mahomes
Kirk Cousins
Kyler Murray
Jared Goff
Jordan Love
Matthew Stafford
Jalen Hurts
Brock Purdy
Baker Mayfield

I'd be mildly surprised if these guys win one, but with the right team around them I could see it happening:
Geno Smith
Jayden Daniels
Derek Carr
Caleb Williams
Anthony Richardson

It doesn't look promising:
Deshaun Watson
Bo Nix
Gardner Minshew
Skylar Thompson
Jacoby Brissett
Dak Prescott
Justin Fields
Will Levis
Bryce Young
Sam Darnold
Daniel Jones

Thanks for the full answer there.

I feel like I'm the Dak Prescott apologist :lmao: but can you elaborate on how you have him in that bottom tier? I also think Sam Darnold has a shot this year of getting out of that bottom tier.

Which again, is why I'm asking about the player and not so much the team. Darnold is a great example (at least after 2 games) of how team matters.

I'm not sure if you're a Dak apologist but you did say you thought Dak was good enough to win a Super Bowl and unless I'm way wrong on this, I'd say you're in the minority with that opinion. Time will ultimately tell, but at age 31 he certainly hasn't demonstrated the ability to win important games consistently. At least in my eyes. I see a guy who cost his team dearly in 3 recent playoff exits.

But props to you for defending your belief. As a fan of Dallas, I hope you're right. As an objective viewer of football, I think I've seen enough to believe he's not good enough to win a Super Bowl (or even get there) and we saw more of that yesterday against New Orleans. 2 more picks, a fumble that set his team back and failure to convert first downs when they matter most. His failed 4th down throw to a practice squad TE says it all for me. As I've said countless times, it's a pattern, it's a problem.

And on Sam Darnold, I'm a big fan personally; think he's a great kid, people that know him, love him. I'm rooting him on this season and beyond. BUT - it was just 3 seasons ago when Darnold started 3-0 for Carolina and looked GREAT doing it. Then he lost a bunch in a row and that was basically that. Cautiously optimistic this is the break he's needed.
While I agree with much of your post. I also don’t lay all the blame at Dak’s feet - despite not loving the guy.

No run game
Finesse Defense that can’t stop the run.
Better than average QB who wins in the regular season.

As a Cowboys fan also - we both know they are not winning anything SB wise.

It’s a black and white question that requires context Joe.

So, to answer Joe’s question. Yes they win if they change their salary cap situation by getting a real RB, better DT’s and LB’s and a real coach.

And I'm saying "no, they dont". And they don't because of Dak. He shrinks in the biggest moments. He's had better RBs. He's had better defenses. He's had better OLs.

They got ousted 3x early in the playoffs because Dak isn't good enough. He makes critical mistakes at the most crucial junctures of his team's biggest games.
 
Of the current starting QBs in the league...

It would not surprise me at all if any of these win a Super Bowl (obviously not all of them will since only one can win a year, but none of these would be a shock):
Lamar Jackson
Joe Burrow
Josh Allen
CJ Stroud
Trevor Lawrence
Justin Herbert
Aaron Rodgers
Patrick Mahomes
Kirk Cousins
Kyler Murray
Jared Goff
Jordan Love
Matthew Stafford
Jalen Hurts
Brock Purdy
Baker Mayfield

I'd be mildly surprised if these guys win one, but with the right team around them I could see it happening:
Geno Smith
Jayden Daniels
Derek Carr
Caleb Williams
Anthony Richardson

It doesn't look promising:
Deshaun Watson
Bo Nix
Gardner Minshew
Skylar Thompson
Jacoby Brissett
Dak Prescott
Justin Fields
Will Levis
Bryce Young
Sam Darnold
Daniel Jones

Thanks for the full answer there.

I feel like I'm the Dak Prescott apologist :lmao: but can you elaborate on how you have him in that bottom tier? I also think Sam Darnold has a shot this year of getting out of that bottom tier.

Which again, is why I'm asking about the player and not so much the team. Darnold is a great example (at least after 2 games) of how team matters.

I'm not sure if you're a Dak apologist but you did say you thought Dak was good enough to win a Super Bowl and unless I'm way wrong on this, I'd say you're in the minority with that opinion. Time will ultimately tell, but at age 31 he certainly hasn't demonstrated the ability to win important games consistently. At least in my eyes. I see a guy who cost his team dearly in 3 recent playoff exits.

But props to you for defending your belief. As a fan of Dallas, I hope you're right. As an objective viewer of football, I think I've seen enough to believe he's not good enough to win a Super Bowl (or even get there) and we saw more of that yesterday against New Orleans. 2 more picks, a fumble that set his team back and failure to convert first downs when they matter most. His failed 4th down throw to a practice squad TE says it all for me. As I've said countless times, it's a pattern, it's a problem.

And on Sam Darnold, I'm a big fan personally; think he's a great kid, people that know him, love him. I'm rooting him on this season and beyond. BUT - it was just 3 seasons ago when Darnold started 3-0 for Carolina and looked GREAT doing it. Then he lost a bunch in a row and that was basically that. Cautiously optimistic this is the break he's needed.

Thanks. I for sure think Prescott is good enough to win a Super Bowl. Been saying that for a while. I am interested in whether that's a minority opinion. Was hoping to get some of that talk here but I didn't do a good job of guiding the thread.

Hoping it works for Darnold. As I said, it's just 2 games but those have been good games. Especially yesterday against a good team. We'll see.

I'd like to know why you think Dak is good enough to win a Super Bowl. When I asked you that in another thread, your answer was essentially: "he was in the running for league MVP".

Maybe I'm wrong and if I am, I'll own up to it. But we had a back and forth over it earlier this year where I pointed out instance after instance of why I disagreed with you, citing games, situations and reasons. What was your rebuttal then and what is your rebuttal now? Because armed with what we JUST saw against the Saints (at home) it was an abject disaster and why I continue to believe he will never be in a Super Bowl.
 
Right, all good points. But again, is there a single QB in the NFL or even in College or even in the CFL, that wouldn't win a SB with the best player at every position on his team?

Understood. But in a salary cap league, that's not likely to ever happen.

Maybe another way to ask it would be this: If you're an NFL GM, do you feel good enough with your QB that you can compete for a Super Bowl?

Back to Prescott, if I'm Jerry Jones, my answer would be "Yes". Would I rather have Mahomes or Allen? Sure. But that's not happening. I'd say I feel good enough to compete with Prescott.
I think the bolded clarifies the question much better, as well as fitting my initial response. In that context, there are three or four GMs that feel great (Mahomes, Burrow, Allen), and another 12-15 that feel they do (Hurts, Purdy, Goff, etc.), but would remain open to an improvement if opportunity presented. Another 6-8 that HOPE they have the guy but either lack the data or simply feel bad about the odds (Lack of data as in Daniels and Williams, fading hope as in Watson, Young)

IE: 15-18 GMs that feel good to great,
Which 12 do you think don't feel good about it? Seems like a lot. Usually most teams have either a guy they think is good enough to be a franchise QB, or a young guy they think will develop into one.
Your question is too binary. I stated about 15 teams feeling good about their QB...but that cutoff is somewhat arbitrary. Team # 15 isn't feeling as confident as team #5.. Similarly team #20 has reason to hope in a young QB (think Daniels) and while they don't feel good NOW (as in for this year), they aren't ready to give up what appears to be a reasonable hope. Team #28 is living on prayers with minimal optimism (think Daniel JOnes as a guy at the border of hope/desperation for replacement). There are ranges in between, and where we draw these lines is highly subjective. My original answer stands...there are 15-18 or so teams that feel good to great about their QB situations.
 
I'd like to know why you think Dak is good enough to win a Super Bowl.

I think he's simply a good QB. He sees the field well. He executes the offense. He's mobile enough to keep defenses honest. His arm is solid and he makes good decisions. He's a strong leader and he's self aware enough to play within his limits.

He is not Mahomes or Josh Allen and I'm sure Jerry Jones and all Cowboys fans would rather have them. But that's not happening.

I've no interest in trying to prove you "wrong" or making you "own up to" anything. We're talking about opinions on players.

So no interest in proving anyone "wrong". But my position that I think he's good enough to win a Super Bowl or that he's a top 10 QB is hardly a hot take.
 
Dak is good enough to be the QB on a super bowl winning team IMO, but you won't win a super bowl because of him so you're hoping he goes to a team with an elite coach OR you just happen to get a clear path without an elite QB opponent somehow. I put him in the Matt Stafford category, so let's get him out of Dallas and then we'll talk.
 
I'd like to know why you think Dak is good enough to win a Super Bowl.

I think he's simply a good QB. He sees the field well. He executes the offense. He's mobile enough to keep defenses honest. His arm is solid and he makes good decisions. He's a strong leader and he's self aware enough to play within his limits.

He is not Mahomes or Josh Allen and I'm sure Jerry Jones and all Cowboys fans would rather have them. But that's not happening.

I've no interest in trying to prove you "wrong" or making you "own up to" anything. We're talking about opinions on players.

So no interest in proving anyone "wrong". But my position that I think he's good enough to win a Super Bowl or that he's a top 10 QB is hardly a hot take.

Buddy, as I've said - as a Dallas fan - I'd LOVE to be wrong on him. And I'd be thrilled to say "Gosh, I was wrong on Dak" because that means I'm dancing in the streets again like I was in the 1990s.

But you say "he makes good decisions" and while at times, he does, at CRITICAL times in CRUCIAL game situations, he makes BAD decisions. And that's the point that bugs me the most about Dak. And at 31 years of age, I'm afraid this is just who he is. A great QB when the pressure is off and a mistake-prone QB when the pressure is greatest.

2-5 playoff record, all 3 of his last exits were largely to blame on his mistakes. And I'll leave it there.
 
I posted a lot of this in one of the Dak threads, but I'll throw some of it out here:


Patrick Mahommes is 15-3.
Burrow is 5-2.
Purdy is 4-2.

Aaron Rodgers (hall of famer) is 11-10. 1 game over .500. He's also like 40.
Russel Wilson (shell of his former self) is 9-7.
Jimmy G (declined) 4-2

Josh Allen--one of the best current QB's in the league--is 5-5.
Stafford (Superbowl champion) is 4-4.
Goff 4-4
Baker 2-2

Hurts 2-3
Lamar (2 time MVP) 2-4
Dak 2-5

I just don't know that Playoff record tells the story. I think you can be a great QB with a .500 or even losing Playoff record. I think you can be a so/so QB with a winning QB record.

The Baltimore Ravens won with Trent Dilfer and Joe Flacco.

Dallas can win with Dak. Philly can win with Hurts. Baltimore can win with Lamar.
 
I'd like to know why you think Dak is good enough to win a Super Bowl.

I think he's simply a good QB. He sees the field well. He executes the offense. He's mobile enough to keep defenses honest. His arm is solid and he makes good decisions. He's a strong leader and he's self aware enough to play within his limits.

He is not Mahomes or Josh Allen and I'm sure Jerry Jones and all Cowboys fans would rather have them. But that's not happening.

I've no interest in trying to prove you "wrong" or making you "own up to" anything. We're talking about opinions on players.

So no interest in proving anyone "wrong". But my position that I think he's good enough to win a Super Bowl or that he's a top 10 QB is hardly a hot take.

Buddy, as I've said - as a Dallas fan - I'd LOVE to be wrong on him. And I'd be thrilled to say "Gosh, I was wrong on Dak" because that means I'm dancing in the streets again like I was in the 1990s.

But you say "he makes good decisions" and while at times, he does, at CRITICAL times in CRUCIAL game situations, he makes BAD decisions. And that's the point that bugs me the most about Dak. And at 31 years of age, I'm afraid this is just who he is. A great QB when the pressure is off and a mistake-prone QB when the pressure is greatest.

2-5 playoff record, all 3 of his last exits were largely to blame on his mistakes. And I'll leave it there.

No worries. We can disagree there.

As always, it'll be interesting to see how it goes from here.

On a side note, I think people are not giving the Saints enough credit. Dallas walked into a buzz saw there.
 
Hurts has been to a SB, so he's got that over Dak. He's also 5 years younger. Lamar is a good comp - he's not been able to replicate success in the playoffs when he gets there. But he's 4 years younger.

At 31, Dak is going to start running out of runway to get his team to a Super Bowl and now that he's costing his team a large chunk of cap money, I have to wonder what the team configuration looks like to get there. But that's not a situation unique to Dallas though they are the current leader in the clubhouse for highest paid QB (I *THINK*).
 
I'd like to know why you think Dak is good enough to win a Super Bowl.

I think he's simply a good QB. He sees the field well. He executes the offense. He's mobile enough to keep defenses honest. His arm is solid and he makes good decisions. He's a strong leader and he's self aware enough to play within his limits.

He is not Mahomes or Josh Allen and I'm sure Jerry Jones and all Cowboys fans would rather have them. But that's not happening.

I've no interest in trying to prove you "wrong" or making you "own up to" anything. We're talking about opinions on players.

So no interest in proving anyone "wrong". But my position that I think he's good enough to win a Super Bowl or that he's a top 10 QB is hardly a hot take.

Buddy, as I've said - as a Dallas fan - I'd LOVE to be wrong on him. And I'd be thrilled to say "Gosh, I was wrong on Dak" because that means I'm dancing in the streets again like I was in the 1990s.

But you say "he makes good decisions" and while at times, he does, at CRITICAL times in CRUCIAL game situations, he makes BAD decisions. And that's the point that bugs me the most about Dak. And at 31 years of age, I'm afraid this is just who he is. A great QB when the pressure is off and a mistake-prone QB when the pressure is greatest.

2-5 playoff record, all 3 of his last exits were largely to blame on his mistakes. And I'll leave it there.

No worries. We can disagree there.

As always, it'll be interesting to see how it goes from here.

On a side note, I think people are not giving the Saints enough credit. Dallas walked into a buzz saw there.

Well, or more accurately, New Orleans buzz sawed their way into Dallas. What the Saints did was astonishing, but to do it IN Arlington? That's usually a great home field advantage, but the Saints just dog-walked them.

Saints have the Eagles, Falcons and Chiefs up the next three weeks, the KC game on MNF. :popcorn:
 
I'd like to know why you think Dak is good enough to win a Super Bowl.

I think he's simply a good QB. He sees the field well. He executes the offense. He's mobile enough to keep defenses honest. His arm is solid and he makes good decisions. He's a strong leader and he's self aware enough to play within his limits.

He is not Mahomes or Josh Allen and I'm sure Jerry Jones and all Cowboys fans would rather have them. But that's not happening.

I've no interest in trying to prove you "wrong" or making you "own up to" anything. We're talking about opinions on players.

So no interest in proving anyone "wrong". But my position that I think he's good enough to win a Super Bowl or that he's a top 10 QB is hardly a hot take.

Buddy, as I've said - as a Dallas fan - I'd LOVE to be wrong on him. And I'd be thrilled to say "Gosh, I was wrong on Dak" because that means I'm dancing in the streets again like I was in the 1990s.

But you say "he makes good decisions" and while at times, he does, at CRITICAL times in CRUCIAL game situations, he makes BAD decisions. And that's the point that bugs me the most about Dak. And at 31 years of age, I'm afraid this is just who he is. A great QB when the pressure is off and a mistake-prone QB when the pressure is greatest.

2-5 playoff record, all 3 of his last exits were largely to blame on his mistakes. And I'll leave it there.
You want Dak to be a hero, but crucify him because he isn't. It's already been mentioned in this thread numerous times. There's one guy in the NFL who can put his team on his back and carry them to a SB. It's ok that Dak isn't that guy. 31 teams in the league don't have that guy. But there are lots more teams than just the Chiefs that are good enough to win the SB. It takes some luck, some generous ref calls or no-calls, and it largely depends on health/injury timing.

It's VERY difficult to win an NFL game. It's EXTREMELY difficult to win a playoff game. It's INSANELY difficult to win multiple playoff games in a row. And it's ASTRONOMICALLY difficult to win the SB. But there's a million factors that play into it - if not then we should just go ahead and preserve everyone's health and cancel the games and hand the Chiefs another 6 trophies...

Dak is good enough to win a SB. That answers Joe's question.

Dak will likely never win one in Dallas, or anywhere else (because he may never play anywhere else). Both of you can be right.
 
I'd like to know why you think Dak is good enough to win a Super Bowl.

I think he's simply a good QB. He sees the field well. He executes the offense. He's mobile enough to keep defenses honest. His arm is solid and he makes good decisions. He's a strong leader and he's self aware enough to play within his limits.

He is not Mahomes or Josh Allen and I'm sure Jerry Jones and all Cowboys fans would rather have them. But that's not happening.

I've no interest in trying to prove you "wrong" or making you "own up to" anything. We're talking about opinions on players.

So no interest in proving anyone "wrong". But my position that I think he's good enough to win a Super Bowl or that he's a top 10 QB is hardly a hot take.

Buddy, as I've said - as a Dallas fan - I'd LOVE to be wrong on him. And I'd be thrilled to say "Gosh, I was wrong on Dak" because that means I'm dancing in the streets again like I was in the 1990s.

But you say "he makes good decisions" and while at times, he does, at CRITICAL times in CRUCIAL game situations, he makes BAD decisions. And that's the point that bugs me the most about Dak. And at 31 years of age, I'm afraid this is just who he is. A great QB when the pressure is off and a mistake-prone QB when the pressure is greatest.

2-5 playoff record, all 3 of his last exits were largely to blame on his mistakes. And I'll leave it there.
You want Dak to be a hero, but crucify him because he isn't. It's already been mentioned in this thread numerous times. There's one guy in the NFL who can put his team on his back and carry them to a SB. It's ok that Dak isn't that guy. 31 teams in the league don't have that guy. But there are lots more teams than just the Chiefs that are good enough to win the SB. It takes some luck, some generous ref calls or no-calls, and it largely depends on health/injury timing.

It's VERY difficult to win an NFL game. It's EXTREMELY difficult to win a playoff game. It's INSANELY difficult to win multiple playoff games in a row. And it's ASTRONOMICALLY difficult to win the SB. But there's a million factors that play into it - if not then we should just go ahead and preserve everyone's health and cancel the games and hand the Chiefs another 6 trophies...

Dak is good enough to win a SB. That answers Joe's question.

Dak will likely never win one in Dallas, or anywhere else (because he may never play anywhere else). Both of you can be right.

I want Dak to not turn the ball over in big games. It's that simple. If what you saw in playoff exits to Green Bay, San Francisco and San Francisco again leads you to believe that he can take care of the football and win those games, then we didn't view those games in the same way.
 
I like to focus on INT% because I think it helps distill a QB's success into a simple number. The lower the number the better. Using current QBs who have been to multiple playoff games:

Playoff Brock Purdy: 0.6%
Playoff Josh Allen: 1.1%
Playoff Pat Mahomes: 1.2%
Playoff Jalen Hurts: 1.2%
Playoff Joe Burrow: 1.6%
Playoff Aaron Rodgers: 1.7%
Playoff Matt Stafford: 2%
Playoff Baker Mayfield: 2%
Playoff Dak: 2.5%
Playoff Lamar: 3.1%

I think if Dak and Lamar are going to get to and/or win a Super Bowl, they need to work on lowering that number. Lamar's early playoff numbers skew his figure as he was really bad early. Same with Stafford. Dak has gone the other direction, each year worse than the year prior. That has to be corrected.
 
Hurts has been to a SB, so he's got that over Dak. He's also 5 years younger. Lamar is a good comp - he's not been able to replicate success in the playoffs when he gets there. But he's 4 years younger.

At 31, Dak is going to start running out of runway to get his team to a Super Bowl and now that he's costing his team a large chunk of cap money, I have to wonder what the team configuration looks like to get there. But that's not a situation unique to Dallas though they are the current leader in the clubhouse for highest paid QB (I *THINK*).
We've seen Brees, Brady and Rodgers go into their 40's now.

31 is far from an old man in QB terms.
 
Hurts has been to a SB, so he's got that over Dak. He's also 5 years younger. Lamar is a good comp - he's not been able to replicate success in the playoffs when he gets there. But he's 4 years younger.

At 31, Dak is going to start running out of runway to get his team to a Super Bowl and now that he's costing his team a large chunk of cap money, I have to wonder what the team configuration looks like to get there. But that's not a situation unique to Dallas though they are the current leader in the clubhouse for highest paid QB (I *THINK*).
We've seen Brees, Brady and Rodgers go into their 40's now.

31 is far from an old man in QB terms.

No doubt, but Rodgers is precisely 40 and Brees tapped out at 41. I'd like to believe Dak can play into his mid-40s like Brady did, but that is not very common. Peyton Manning didn't make it to 40, neither did Matt Ryan, Big Ben, Eli Manning or Philip Rivers.
 
Normally there are reasons why not as great QBs end up winning a SB. Looking back 25 years, Dilfer played on a team with one of the greatest defenses of all time (only allowed one defensive TD in 4 playoff games). Flacco played out of his mind (11 TD, 0 INT, 117.2 post season QB rating). Eli had a 15-2 combined TD to INT ratio the years NYG won (but was terrible in other post seasons) . . . plus the 2007 defense turned into a buzz saw. Almost every other winning team had a HOF QB (plus Eli will probably count as such soon). The one recent team that didn't really have that all time great QB was 2017 PHI. Overall, though, chances are you most likely need a HOF level QB to win a SB . . . like 75-80% of the time (or more).
 
Mahomes

Josh Allen
Lamar Jackson
Justin Herbert
CJ Stroud
Joe Burrow
Brock Purdy
Caleb Williams
Baker Mayfield
Jalen Hurts
Jared Goff
Kyler Murray
Matthew Stafford
Aaron Rodgers
 
Mahomes

Josh Allen
Lamar Jackson
Justin Herbert
CJ Stroud
Joe Burrow
Brock Purdy
Caleb Williams
Baker Mayfield
Jalen Hurts
Jared Goff
Kyler Murray
Matthew Stafford
Aaron Rodgers

What makes you think that after two career NFL games that Caleb Williams should be on this list? That's like saying Arch Manning should be on the list.
 
Mahomes

Josh Allen
Lamar Jackson
Justin Herbert
CJ Stroud
Joe Burrow
Brock Purdy
Caleb Williams
Baker Mayfield
Jalen Hurts
Jared Goff
Kyler Murray
Matthew Stafford
Aaron Rodgers

What makes you think that after two career NFL games that Caleb Williams should be on this list? That's like saying Arch Manning should be on the list.
I am looking out the next 3-5 years on him and projecting him. If the Bears get him an OL.....the sky is the limit for that kid. He is the real McCoy.
 

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