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Does Ray Rice look like a New York Giant (1 Viewer)
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brednbuddah
Footballguy
Giants missed the boat when they had the chance to draft local boy (Rutgers) Brian Leonard.
twitch
Footballguy
He's definitely gonna be looking like a nice pick up for someone. He's definitely showing he can carry the load. Seems like the Giants are already good at RB, though. Ward and Jacobs isnt exactly chopped liver. I think the Gmen need to think about another young WR to backup Amani. Moss doesnt look like he's going to be the answer. But any early ideas where Rice may go in the draft?
To be the fullback?Anyway... you guys need to stop endorsing an RBBC.
twitch
Footballguy
right, I forgot about that kid. he should be a nice player there. hopefully he can stay on the field, though. that's half the battle.
Why? Would he have been better suited to be a do-nothing backup in New York than he is in St. Loius?
RUSF18
Footballguy
Big Rutgers fan and living in NYC so it would've been great to see him play every Sunday, but when our fans started complaining about the local team not taking him, I was happy -- he wouldn't be used well in Coughlin's offense.
I think RR will be a 2nd rounder this year if he goes, and a 2nd rounder next year if he stays. And I think he goes because he gets a ton of carries and another year in college is one less year in the pros for a RB. I think he could be a potentially great NFL RB
I think RR will be a 2nd rounder this year if he goes, and a 2nd rounder next year if he stays. And I think he goes because he gets a ton of carries and another year in college is one less year in the pros for a RB. I think he could be a potentially great NFL RB
harryhood
Footballguy
Super Bowl last year Chicago vs. Indy
NFC Championship
New Orleans vs. Chicago
AFC Championship
NE vs. Indy
yea those RBBC's are the worst thing a team could get into
Fantasy-wise, yes it is.It'll be interesting to see how first round redrafts go in 2008 - all this RBBC will undoubtedly scare people into drafting QB's and WR's in the first round next year. At least IMHO.Super Bowl last year Chicago vs. Indy
NFC Championship
New Orleans vs. Chicago
AFC Championship
NE vs. Indy
yea those RBBC's are the worst thing a team could get into
harryhood
Footballguy
Well fantasy is great but as a Giants fan I want nothing more than for that team to go RBBC. Fresh legs rotating in and out will keep eli from making mistakes and keep that stellar defense fresh. If you are a GMEN fan, you could only hope and pray for a RBBC in NY.Fantasy-wise, yes it is.It'll be interesting to see how first round redrafts go in 2008 - all this RBBC will undoubtedly scare people into drafting QB's and WR's in the first round next year. At least IMHO.Super Bowl last year Chicago vs. Indy
NFC Championship
New Orleans vs. Chicago
AFC Championship
NE vs. Indy
yea those RBBC's are the worst thing a team could get into
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
He will be a first day pick, likely Round 1, to a team that wants a hard runner between the tackles.
If Atlanta gets a free agent solution at quarterback, that could be one possibility.
The hard part about predicting which team will pick him is that many teams need >1 asset and you have to get inside that GM's / coaches' head as far as when they'll go shopping. Do they have a prospect circled for Rounds 2 and 3, affording them the chance to go after a RB early? Or, do they need a LB or lineman or DB early because their defense or line is a mess, and want to build there?
Established teams with good talent at most positions are the hardest to predict IMHO because they will just take the best player available. I hated being at the NFL Draft and seeing the Eagles take a QB in Round 2, passing over Leonard, and then seeing him go to STL where he'll be stuck behind SJax for a while. Long term, the Eagles don't care what I or any other fan think because they care about building and re-tooling for 3-5 years at a time. I'm already starting to appreciate having a second option behind McNabb, and the organization (and Donovan) both seem to be looking forward to parting ways.
Back to Rice - 1,500+ yards already and he's back in the Heisman discussion. Any team in Round 1 could wind up with a nice steal picking him.
If Atlanta gets a free agent solution at quarterback, that could be one possibility.
The hard part about predicting which team will pick him is that many teams need >1 asset and you have to get inside that GM's / coaches' head as far as when they'll go shopping. Do they have a prospect circled for Rounds 2 and 3, affording them the chance to go after a RB early? Or, do they need a LB or lineman or DB early because their defense or line is a mess, and want to build there?
Established teams with good talent at most positions are the hardest to predict IMHO because they will just take the best player available. I hated being at the NFL Draft and seeing the Eagles take a QB in Round 2, passing over Leonard, and then seeing him go to STL where he'll be stuck behind SJax for a while. Long term, the Eagles don't care what I or any other fan think because they care about building and re-tooling for 3-5 years at a time. I'm already starting to appreciate having a second option behind McNabb, and the organization (and Donovan) both seem to be looking forward to parting ways.
Back to Rice - 1,500+ yards already and he's back in the Heisman discussion. Any team in Round 1 could wind up with a nice steal picking him.
harryhood
Footballguy
Good stuff Jeff, Lets just assume that the Giants finish 10-6 or 11-5. Any chance Ray can be in their range of picks? I dont know if any stellar OL would fall to them(thats what they could use in the draft as well) in that spot and they could probably wait on some defensive help until the 2nd round. I would be happy with Ray Ray or even a Laurinitis(wishful thinkin), but I think this team can be so much more effective if they could get someone in there to compliment Jacobs.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
It's far too early to tell. The G-men didn't have Droughns 12 months ago, but they added him before the NFL Draft and everyone expected him to be the #2 coming into 2007. Ward and Ryan Grant shone in TC, and they capitalized on both of their values - one internally, one via trade.The Giants are masking issues at LB. Their front 4 and their DBs are playing well, compensating for the hole. I really think that this is the need they need to address first. If they pick up a free agent LB or two, maybe they can go after a RB luxury pick - but given their history at picking up FA LBs (See Arrington, Lavar) they may want a young prospect.
MCguidance
Footballguy
Sounds perfect if you find yourself at the end of the first round/beginning of the secondFantasy-wise, yes it is.It'll be interesting to see how first round redrafts go in 2008 - all this RBBC will undoubtedly scare people into drafting QB's and WR's in the first round next year. At least IMHO.Super Bowl last year Chicago vs. Indy
NFC Championship
New Orleans vs. Chicago
AFC Championship
NE vs. Indy
yea those RBBC's are the worst thing a team could get into
harryhood
Footballguy
Good points there, and I think the NY faithful would rather draft a young kid a LB rather than try and hit one in FA, they still have that bad taste of Lavar in their mouths.
Thorpe
Footballguy
The way Schiano uses him, one more year in college will be 3 less years in the pros. I doubted Rice earlier this year, but he has proved a lot to me lately. However, unless he runs a great 40 time, I don't see him going until the 3rd round.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
I think Rice will slip in the draft to Round 2 at least. He could end up being the Portis/T.Henry/F.Gore type, but I think the likes of McFadden, Stewart and Mendenhall will test better, the preferred size (not saying Rice doesn't, but teams droll over the size of the former) and are too producing this year.
I think some get offended when a RB slips......it's more that not every team has a need at RB, than the guy not being able to produce at the NFL level. We see these Round 2 and beyond (even undrafted FA's) producing very frequently. RB's is a plug and produce position (more so than any other position in the league)
I think some get offended when a RB slips......it's more that not every team has a need at RB, than the guy not being able to produce at the NFL level. We see these Round 2 and beyond (even undrafted FA's) producing very frequently. RB's is a plug and produce position (more so than any other position in the league)
I agree with the folks saying Rice wont be a first rounder, not unless 4-5 RBs go in the first, which is very rare. There's just nothing exceptional about him. That being said, he could be a real nice 2nd/3rd rounder for a team with an unstable RB sitch... I like the Travis Henry compare.
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twitch
Footballguy
I think its a great thing when a guy 'slips' to the 2nd or 3rd round because he then comes in with that built in chip on his shoulder. He doesnt have the big contract and stays hungry. So many guys get comfortable with their lifestyle when the get that initial big payday. I dont know Rice or his mental makeup, but Id think he's a hungry, hard-working kid anyway. So he probably doesnt really need the 'chip' to further his work ethic. But if he goes in the 2nd or 3rd round, it'll reduce the pressure on the kid a little and allow him to settle into a role and become a good pro. I have no doubts whatsoever that he'll be a very good RB in the NFL. And I hope he ends up in New England backing up Maroney. Or maybe even taking his job.
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benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
I see more of a fit with the Steelers to team up with FWP.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Chicago seems like a very good home for him.
Actually, he is an exceptionally good runner between the tackles. Probably the best inside runner in college right now. And he has exceptional conditioning. He carries the ball 35 times a game and seems to get stronger as the game carries on. He doesn't have exceptional speed or size though, so teams will overlook him because everyone is so concerned about combine numbers.
RC94
Footballguy
He is also an exceptional leader and does a lot of community work. Character has played an increasingly important role in evaluating prospects and it will certainly add value to his draft stock.
RC94
Footballguy
Well fantasy is great but as a Giants fan I want nothing more than for that team to go RBBC. Fresh legs rotating in and out will keep eli from making mistakes and keep that stellar defense fresh. If you are a GMEN fan, you could only hope and pray for a RBBC in NY.Fantasy-wise, yes it is.It'll be interesting to see how first round redrafts go in 2008 - all this RBBC will undoubtedly scare people into drafting QB's and WR's in the first round next year. At least IMHO.Super Bowl last year Chicago vs. Indy
NFC Championship
New Orleans vs. Chicago
AFC Championship
NE vs. Indy
yea those RBBC's are the worst thing a team could get into
I also agree with what Jeff said about the Giants other needs, particularly at LB. However they can also use another DT, a second starter-quality CB (Madison doesn't have much time left and isn't that great now anyway) and a Safety. As a Rutgers alum and a Giants fan I would love for Rice and Jacobs to form a RBBC for years to come. However, speaking strictly from a NYG fan perspective, I am fine with the current RB corps and think the Giants would be better served to spend a 2nd round pick on a LB or CB or DT or S or an offensive lineman, all of which are bigger needs for the team as of now.
KiddLattimer
Footballguy
Yeah just what the Giants needed, another running back that will never be the featured guy
At this point I would focus all efforts on Linebacker, Cornerback and Offensive Line (yeah they've been solid but it sure cant hurt to add parts)Lavar got hurt. Pierce has been a wonderful free agent pickup from Washington.Apparently Coughlin, Parcells, and BB think similarly about rookie LBs because DeOssie isn't playing like Carpenter didn't (much) in Dallas. So keeping that in mind, I figure they have to do better than Mitchell who seems to be backup material. (and could be a negative in the FA LB category to a degree). Drafting LBers had been this organization's strength including some of the best ever from back in the late 70s and all of the 80s. There was a LB corps of oh 3-4 years ago which was all they drafted and within a year of starting 2 of 3 weren't in the NFL and IIRC only Kevin Lewis is kicking around the NFL still. They do seem to have gone from great to terrible at drafting LBers. However, maybe that's why DeOssie is sitting a year, more or less.LB definitely is an issue but they need an assured talent, high pick or covetted free agent. Toying around with hopes of lesser names panning out or retreads just won't cut it. Whoever it is will be one lucky guy because, like Pittsburgh and some other areas, NYers love LBers. Had they signed Adalius Thomas, he'd be right behind Jeter and Arod but .....geesh he'd have been huge in NY
HomerJones
Footballguy
As a fan of the Giants, I'd much prefer that they focus on another cornerback in the first round next year. Webster has been woeful, Madison is not getting any younger and still tries to tackle with his head and shoulders instead of his arms (and no, I'm not saying I could do any better) and having another good cover corner would make their four defensive end alignment (Strahan, Kiwanuka, Umenyiora, and Tuck) even more effective. Just my opinion.Edit: didn't mean to change this topic from a Ray Rice one to one about the Giants defense. My mistake.
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