Does Your Commish Review Trades Before Allowing Them to Go Through? (1 Viewer)

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Straightforward question:

Does your Commissioner review and approve all trades before allowing them to go through? Or are trades processed without a review - going through as soon as they're accepted?

ETA: if you're in multiple leagues, please vote the most common way trades are handled in your leagues.

 

[Titans_fan]

Straightforward questionoes your Commissioner review and approve all trades before allowing them to go through? Or are trades processed without a review - going through as soon as they're accepted?

I voted "YES" as I am the commish, but let me add an addendum...We have a father and two sons who own three of the teams and a husband and wife who own two. Not saying collusion would occur, but this keeps it from happening. I don't think I've vetoed a trade in 5+years...any questionable trades require trading owners to state their cases.Proceed...

 

[SSOG]

There's technically a commish review in the league I commish, but it's more a formality than anything else- I just wind up pushing everything through as soon as I see it.

 

[comfortably numb]

What happens when you make a trade 10min before game time?

Your commish has to be around Sunday morning?

 

[loose circuits]

both my dynasty leagues, they just go through

most of my redrafts are commish reviewed, but it is pointless IMO.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

What happens when you make a trade 10min before game time?Your commish has to be around Sunday morning?

This is actually why I'm asking the question. We just got a note from our Commish in a league I'm in that if we want trades to go through in time for games they need to be finalized the previous day.My first though was, "why in the world do you need to review them at all?" since five of my six Commish's don't do this and trades happen as soon as you hit accept. But then I wondered what proportion of leagues actually had some sort of review process.

 

[D'OHtis]

Commish just stated the above in my league as well.

I have no idea why trades are 'reviewed', but whatever.

 

[FUBAR]

In most of my leagues, the league "reviews" deals in that if an owner believes collusion occurred, he states his argument and the league can vote on it.

I've never seen a trade overruled in any league I've been in.

 

[MCguidance]

There's technically a commish review in the league I commish, but it's more a formality than anything else- I just wind up pushing everything through as soon as I see it.

+1

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

There's technically a commish review in the league I commish, but it's more a formality than anything else- I just wind up pushing everything through as soon as I see it.

+1

What's the thinking on these kind of setups?

 

[Avery]

What happens when you make a trade 10min before game time?Your commish has to be around Sunday morning?

This is actually why I'm asking the question. We just got a note from our Commish in a league I'm in that if we want trades to go through in time for games they need to be finalized the previous day.My first though was, "why in the world do you need to review them at all?" since five of my six Commish's don't do this and trades happen as soon as you hit accept. But then I wondered what proportion of leagues actually had some sort of review process.

In my leagues we have the formality of commish approval but it's just a formality to make sure there's not anything collusive. Just the past week I completed a trade on Saturday night for Jacobs and the commish was out of town for the weekend.I e-mailed the commish before gametime that I wanted to start Jacobs instead of whoever I had in my "official" lineup.I forwarded the "trade accepted waiting approval" e-mail to my opponent before gametime.I submitted my starting lineup and put a note in that I was starting Jacobs instead of whoever I had in my "official" lineup. When the commish got back in town he approved the trade and retroactively put Jacobs into my lineup.No big deal.

 

[Avery]

There's technically a commish review in the league I commish, but it's more a formality than anything else- I just wind up pushing everything through as soon as I see it.

+1

What's the thinking on these kind of setups?

Just to check that there's nothing obviously collusive.

 

[WKTSWAY]

I'm in 7 dynasty leagues (commish in 3 of them). The ones I commish plus 1 other league, they just go through right away. The other 3 the commish approves only because when trading future draft picks, the person trading them away has to pay half of the league fees for that year before the trade is allowed.

No trade in any of my leagues has ever been vetoed or even been questioned.

 

[spmarx]

We have a 24 hour voting period in the leagues I'm in and it's worked well for the last 10 years. It takes a simple majority for a trade to come before the commish (me). We've had 'No' votes before but only once was a trade actually vetoed. Most trades are a non-issue, but we have the rule for those cases when they aren't.

 

[SSOG]

What happens when you make a trade 10min before game time?Your commish has to be around Sunday morning?

This situation just came up two weeks ago. I was out of town for the weekend, and two owners made a last-minute trade Saturday night. I told them to make the trade, post it on the official message board, post their intended starting lineups, and make sure everything was timestamped before kickoff. When I got back in town, I pushed the trade through and edited their starting lineups. The whole process probably took 45 seconds.

What's the thinking on these kind of setups?

The thinking is that it's the default setting of our league management software, and I just haven't bothered trying to figure out how to disable it. Moreover, the thinking is that we technically have a veto rule (the rule is that the non-participating owners have to reach a unanimous consensus in order to veto), so we should have some sort of hold on trades before they go through. I am naturally very, very slow to veto, so if I see a trade and don't think it's worthy of vetoing, I'll just push it through (because they can't reach a unanimous agreement if I don't agree). In theory, if I saw a trade that I actually thought was worth a veto, I can put it on hold and bring it before the rest of the league.

 

[coolnerd]

There's technically a commish review in the league I commish, but it's more a formality than anything else- I just wind up pushing everything through as soon as I see it.

+1

What's the thinking on these kind of setups?

Make sure that there is not an obvious mistake by an owner, check for potential collusion or deny something that is not just a bad trade (Gradowski for Drew Bress straight up) that could ruin the league. Also, this year a had a couple of "bad" trades in one league and was able to get the thoughts of the the owner(s) before people complained about it.

 

[coolnerd]

What happens when you make a trade 10min before game time?Your commish has to be around Sunday morning?

My leagues know that I watch games at a sports bar, and leave around 45 minutes before the start of the game. In addition I have a helper who signs on as commish late to make sure that there is not a last minute trade. If anything is suspect he will call me on my cell phone.

 

[Kree]

When the league was started on ESPN the Commish accidentally left in the veto system, not that anything has ever gotten overturned. The annoying thing is, the league is based out of a forum, and we sometimes trae talk in there, and rather than bother with ESPN we just post it in the thread and the commish just does it himself manually without any veto. So its just pointless.

He doesn't really review trades, just looks at them and if its too badly off to one side then he will ask the general population (Only in the extreme cases). ie 2 years back we had a trade of Westbrook/Anderson in 07 for 2 RB3s and a WR4 and a backup QB. The guy as legitimately a fan of these players but that was just too lopsided. Wasn't a dynasty either, was a 3 player keeper. To this day none of those 4 players have ever gotten significant time.

So the way it gets done is dependent on how you offer the trade.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

I can see the thinking now - and it has the added benefit of people being less willing to do something they shouldn't if they know it's going to be reviewed.

 

[Doug B]

Commish just stated the above in my league as well.

I have no idea why trades are 'reviewed', but whatever.

With no trade reviews, especially in an online league, why not collude like a MF? Someone's got to at least look at the trade, even if it's really just a formality.

 

[Ruffrodys05]

I voted: NO

I commish my main money league and never review trades or veto them.

Everyone pays for and owns their team. They are absolutely free to run their team as they see fit. We have had some pretty ridiculous trades (in my initial opinion) over the years, but when all is said and done, what seemed really lopsided at the time turned out to be not so lopsided in the future. Everyone values players differently for various reasons. I have no business telling another owner he cannot make a trade based on MY OWN valuations of player talent. As far as collusion goes, we have rules in place to prevent any shenanigans.

This set-up has worked absolutely flawlessly for 7+ years and there likely will never be a change.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Commish just stated the above in my league as well.

I have no idea why trades are 'reviewed', but whatever.

With no trade reviews, especially in an online league, why not collude like a MF? Someone's got to at least look at the trade, even if it's really just a formality.

I'm in eight $ leagues that have no review and I've seen some bad trades, but nothing that remotely looked like collusion. There are rules against collusion - they just don't come into play until AFTER a questionable trade goes down.

 

[fsufan]

run 3 leagues and all go through when owner clicks accept. why would a commish want more work

 

[Kinger]

Yes.

I have never blocked or seen a trade blocked in either of my two dynasty leagues.

Once I blocked a trade in a company redraft league. It looked really lopsided, but I asked the guy who proposed the trade what his logic was. He simply stated that he was out of contention and he thought he'd help someone else who still had a chance.

Well, at least he was honest about it.

 

[bahamallama]

Our Commish has to approve it but in the 6 or 7 years we have never had a commish reject a trade. It's merely a formality, though last year we had an owner accept a trade I sent him about an hour before he quit the league and the commish was able to prove that they were mutually exclusive so having the commish in between can be a good thing.

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[VaCatFan]

What happens when you make a trade 10min before game time?Your commish has to be around Sunday morning?

This is actually why I'm asking the question. We just got a note from our Commish in a league I'm in that if we want trades to go through in time for games they need to be finalized the previous day.My first though was, "why in the world do you need to review them at all?" since five of my six Commish's don't do this and trades happen as soon as you hit accept. But then I wondered what proportion of leagues actually had some sort of review process.

In my leagues we have the formality of commish approval but it's just a formality to make sure there's not anything collusive. Just the past week I completed a trade on Saturday night for Jacobs and the commish was out of town for the weekend.I e-mailed the commish before gametime that I wanted to start Jacobs instead of whoever I had in my "official" lineup.I forwarded the "trade accepted waiting approval" e-mail to my opponent before gametime.I submitted my starting lineup and put a note in that I was starting Jacobs instead of whoever I had in my "official" lineup. When the commish got back in town he approved the trade and retroactively put Jacobs into my lineup.No big deal.

That's basically the way it works in one of the dynasty leagues I'm in. The other is processed as soon as it's approved. If any collusion is thought to have happened, the commish will retroactively review the case. Been in this league 8 years and it's very competitive. Haven't had a single trade reviewed.

 

[panicinwi]

In my league we have a voting period where other teams can object. If it gets vetoed due to objections then it goes to the commish for final approval. The only reason we do it this way is to eliminate collusion. I'm the commish and even if it gets voted down, I post the trade on a forum and get input from others. If it isn't a complete one sided trade and the majority of people not in our league feel the same, I'll let it go through. I've found that many owners will object because they never like seeing any other team, besides theirs, get better

 

[abe froman]

In our 12 team keeper everyone votes but 8 of 12 vetos are needed to turn down a trade, but the voting only last for 3 days so if a trade is offered Monday and noonne logs in untill Thurs that trade could go through without opposition. In our short 4 year history we have not had any problems, but I am the commish and have the ability(Have not had to get involved thus far) to push trades through right away also..-never used that ability. It works for us. **I REALLY DONT LIKE TRADES GOING DIRECTLY THROUGH COMMISH BECAUSE USUALLY ALTHOUGH MOST OWNERS KNOW A MAJORITY OF THE OTHER OWNERS, THE COMMISH USUALLY KNOWS EVERYONE VERY WELL. THE COMMISH CAN TRY TO GET INVOLVED IN THE OFFERS IF HE KNOWS WHO WANTS WHAT.. Just saying they have an unfair ability to put their nose into transactions and I dont like there to be any other teams involved unless directly approached.. FWIW..

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

I think the commish should keep his nose out of other trades unless someone objects and wants a vote called. As a a commsih in 3 leagues myself, I don't want to be bothered by what others are doing unless there's a problem. If the trade is bad enough someone will call a vote.

 

[Ned]

I am blown away at the poll results. Why on earth would you play in a league where you felt it was necessary to have a third team in the league rubber stamp the trade "just to be safe"? If you were that insecure about people cheating, don't play in that league.

:(

 

[MCguidance]

There's technically a commish review in the league I commish, but it's more a formality than anything else- I just wind up pushing everything through as soon as I see it.

+1

What's the thinking on these kind of setups?

Simply used as a safeguard against the unforeseen. Never had to use it, hope I never will. Given that I created the league, and there is sometimes turnover and new people join with whom I am unfamiliar, I will always keep this in place.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

I am blown away at the poll results. Why on earth would you play in a league where you felt it was necessary to have a third team in the league rubber stamp the trade "just to be safe"? If you were that insecure about people cheating, don't play in that league. :(

I'm in one league where the commish has to approve trades and I think it's stupid. If it's bad enough owners will speak up. It should NEVER be the decision of ONE person to decide if my trade is Ok, especially if it's another owner.

 

[TheFanatic]

In my two main leagues that are nearly identical, someone reviews all trades before approving them, but not to see if they are fair. They are both salary cap/contract leagues. So each trade has to be reviewed to make sure no one goes over the cap for the following year. I didn't vote because I don't think that was the intent of the poll...

 

[Instinctive]

Our commish approves trades, but only because the league needs somebody to approve it and because it's reasonable as long as he's reasonable. We've only ever had one trade that he questioned (me last year) and when I showed him that I was trading CJ4.24, Slaton, and Jacobs to get Brees and Calvin because those guys were on my bench behind AD and Deangelo anyway...he put it through.

So, no others. I think it's a good system, that way if there IS a problem, we don't have to reverse the trade. It just doesn't go through. And it helps that our commish is always very punctual.

 

[The Kansas Comet]

In my primary money league, the commissioner reviews and approves trades. I have only overturned one trade in 8 years as commissioner, and that was when a guy lost his first 5 games and then did a "give up" trade where he dumped his two best players for another team's bench warmers simply because he was frustrated. That's pretty much the only situation where I look at a trade for more than 5 seconds before approving it, as I have never seen a an attempt of outright collusion in the league.

I understand both ways of thinking regarding commish review and no commish review. If a league commissioner is an idiot, acts unethically, or doesn't separate his duties as commish from his opinion as an owner, then having him review trades can be a major problem. However, if you get one who takes approaches the job the right way, then I think it's a good thing to have that review. If the "give up" trade I mentioned above had gone through, it would have really upset the competitive balance in the league and would have caused a tremendous amount of dissension among the other owners.

 

[fsufan]

I am blown away at the poll results.

me tothe SP is so against leagues vetoing trades, as well am I. so why is the SP so for letting a commish(who is an owner as well) approve trades

 

[Avery]

I am blown away at the poll results.

me tothe SP is so against leagues vetoing trades, as well am I. so why is the SP so for letting a commish(who is an owner as well) approve trades

Again, for many its just to give each trade a quick look for obvious collusion before it becomes official and as someone mentioned above, some leagues have complex salary cap and roster restrictions that must be adhered to.

 

[BigDave]

I'm in a league for 12+ yrs.

We've had a policy of owner voting to approve but it failed.

We had owners rejecting very fair trades for various reasons.

Now we have one voice, the commish who decides.

see mine

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=503901

 

[anakin]

I am blown away at the poll results. Why on earth would you play in a league where you felt it was necessary to have a third team in the league rubber stamp the trade "just to be safe"? If you were that insecure about people cheating, don't play in that league.

The internet is a funny place. I commish a league of 14. I "know" seven owners well as we have met and talk or see each other frequently (one is my girlfriend). One of the owners brought in a friend and another owner brought in two friends. I know another two through fantasy message boards and other leagues. One owner I found here on looking for leagues. We have had a couple of trades that some people looked at sideways. We have the ability to protest a trade within 24 hours if a team owner thinks collusion is involved. Once a protest is filed, the owners involved in the trade have the ability to write why they want to do the trade and then the remaining owners vote to whether they object or not to the trade. It is a safeguard. I don't approve trades after 9p on Friday, but I will let it sit over the weekend and process it Tuesday morning.

 

[RandyDB]

As commish my review is viewed just as a safeguard. The owners don't want other owners voting on their trades, and a league needs to have some procedure in place to safeguard against dumping trades. It is easier to veto a trade beforehand than have one go through 10 minutes before kickoff and then have to go back and do something with it. That said, I have not vetoed a trade since I have been commish (1990).

 

[Instinctive]

I believe most leagues mainly have a figuredhead trade approver so that the poeple who want to have a league vote every single time no matter what still have something to say "look, at least the commish has to approve." And the people who want nothing get to say "well at least he almost never vetoes, because we don't collude."

 

[fsufan]

I believe most leagues mainly have a figuredhead trade approver so that the poeple who want to have a league vote every single time no matter what still have something to say "look, at least the commish has to approve." And the people who want nothing get to say "well at least he almost never vetoes, because we don't collude."

sorry for the hi jack but your Sig is the funniest thing I have ever read QUOTE (GDogg @ Aug 26 2009, 09:51 PM) Based off your post, it's clear you have no idea what the word "talent" means. What has he done? That's actually pretty irrelevant to the word, "talent." Peyton Manning's not the most talented QB in the league . Neither is Tom Brady or Drew Brees . I know all of this because I actually watch football. And, I also know what the word "talent" means.

 

[Instinctive]

I believe most leagues mainly have a figuredhead trade approver so that the poeple who want to have a league vote every single time no matter what still have something to say "look, at least the commish has to approve." And the people who want nothing get to say "well at least he almost never vetoes, because we don't collude."

sorry for the hi jack but your Sig is the funniest thing I have ever read QUOTE (GDogg @ Aug 26 2009, 09:51 PM) Based off your post, it's clear you have no idea what the word "talent" means. What has he done? That's actually pretty irrelevant to the word, "talent." Peyton Manning's not the most talented QB in the league . Neither is Tom Brady or Drew Brees . I know all of this because I actually watch football. And, I also know what the word "talent" means.

Why thanks you. I didn't even have to go fishing...[/hijack]A commish approvign trades is kind of like Congress approving a President's first couple official nominees. Technically, Congress has to approve them...but they almost always do.

 

[flranger]

Having commish review trades is a great idea , they should do it in the NFL. At least if they did the Raiders wouldn't suck so bad as most of their trades would get overturn.

 

[MCguidance]

Having commish review trades is a great idea , they should do it in the NFL. At least if they did the Raiders wouldn't suck so bad as most of their trades would get overturn.

FF = NFL EDIT: If there is money involved doesn't the commissioner have to approve it? Or is that just in MLB?

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Having commish review trades is a great idea :X , they should do it in the NFL. At least if they did the Raiders wouldn't suck so bad as most of their trades would get overturn.

FF = NFL EDIT: If there is money involved doesn't the commissioner have to approve it? Or is that just in MLB?

Let's face it, having the commish approve trades is the dumbest idea ever brought to fantasy football. If there's a problem with a trade someone in the league will call a vote, and let 8 of 12 say it should be vetoed, not ONE F-ing person, especially if he also has a team in the league. That's f-ing nuts.

 

[MCguidance]

Having commish review trades is a great idea :X , they should do it in the NFL. At least if they did the Raiders wouldn't suck so bad as most of their trades would get overturn.

FF = NFL EDIT: If there is money involved doesn't the commissioner have to approve it? Or is that just in MLB?

Let's face it, having the commish approve trades is the dumbest idea ever brought to fantasy football. If there's a problem with a trade someone in the league will call a vote, and let 8 of 12 say it should be vetoed, not ONE F-ing person, especially if he also has a team in the league. That's f-ing nuts.

Couldn't disagree more - in fact, I think leagues that don't have commissioner approval is shortsighted and negligent.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Having commish review trades is a great idea , they should do it in the NFL. At least if they did the Raiders wouldn't suck so bad as most of their trades would get overturn.

FF = NFL EDIT: If there is money involved doesn't the commissioner have to approve it? Or is that just in MLB?

Let's face it, having the commish approve trades is the dumbest idea ever brought to fantasy football. If there's a problem with a trade someone in the league will call a vote, and let 8 of 12 say it should be vetoed, not ONE F-ing person, especially if he also has a team in the league. That's f-ing nuts.

Couldn't disagree more - in fact, I think leagues that don't have commissioner approval is shortsighted and negligent.

Dictatorship is not good for FF. You can have rules in place for vetoing trades. The commish is usually also an owner and should never have a say in trades except his 1/12 vote in a 12 team league. If your rules are good enough your league can alomst run itself. The last thing a league needs is a commish who trys to do too much.

 

[MCguidance]

Having commish review trades is a great idea , they should do it in the NFL. At least if they did the Raiders wouldn't suck so bad as most of their trades would get overturn.

FF = NFL :(EDIT: If there is money involved doesn't the commissioner have to approve it? Or is that just in MLB?

Let's face it, having the commish approve trades is the dumbest idea ever brought to fantasy football. If there's a problem with a trade someone in the league will call a vote, and let 8 of 12 say it should be vetoed, not ONE F-ing person, especially if he also has a team in the league. That's f-ing nuts.

Couldn't disagree more - in fact, I think leagues that don't have commissioner approval is shortsighted and negligent.

Dictatorship is not good for FF. You can have rules in place for vetoing trades. The commish is usually also an owner and should never have a say in trades except his 1/12 vote in a 12 team league. If your rules are good enough your league can alomst run itself. The last thing a league needs is a commish who trys to do too much.

Says you. Our league feels that they want the commish to be just a simple safeguard to protect the integrity of the league should collusion occur - given that there may be turnover in the league and all members do not know each other. The one constant is the commish. Voting has proven to be ineffective in some leagues due to the "why didn't I make that trade?" factor. Plenty of ways to skin a cat. Your way is not best for everyone, despite you believing it to be so.

 

[Wrigley]

Yes, Yes I do