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Does your league allow suspended players to go on IR? (1 Viewer)
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Dave Stauff
Footballguy
I have two dynasty leagues that allow this and it is bothersome to me. The fact that you're allowed to protect a suspended player without committing a roster slot seems inappropriate, but that's just me - apparently there are others who fully support it . . .
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
We eliminated the IR in both of my main leagues. In part because people pulled stuff like that, and also because people would milk it for as long as possible, often after the player came off IR, so it became the commish's job to monitor people's rosters.
but no - back when had the IR we did not allow a suspended player to be parked on it like a bonus roster spot. IR is IR, suspended is suspended.
but no - back when had the IR we did not allow a suspended player to be parked on it like a bonus roster spot. IR is IR, suspended is suspended.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yeah, the guys who drafted Bell & Gordon.
i took Gordon yesterday in a draft as my WR4 and have no problem using a bench spot for him.
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Ion Cannon
Footballguy
Had this problem many times in my league, we don't allow it. I've now just changed our IR spot so the commish is the only person able to place a teams players on IR, so a team has to tell me who to put on. I use CBS for this league.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
We tried that. Too much work for the commish.
suggestion: propose eliminating the IR & adding a bench spot.
Much mo betta. Eliminates the whole problem.
spider321
Footballguy
Unless you need to put Le'Veon Bell, Carlos Hyde, and Melvin Gordon on your IR; like I did last season.
Ion Cannon
Footballguy
That's the thing I proposed it this year, but didn't get voted through always next year.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
That's a team problem, not a commissioner problem. Huge difference.
If the player is good enough, you deal with it. If not, you drop him for someone who's worth replacing them with.
Either way, the IR shouldn't help with Gordon nor should it help with either Gordon or Bell this year.
We made this change 8 years ago and no one's ever had a problem with it. And it made the commish's job way way easier. It sucks to have to constantly monitor everyon's IR to see if someone's abusing it.
And it also adds strategy - you actually have to pay a price if you opt to draft a suspended player. As well you should.
One team in one of my leagues has Bell & Brady - the reason I was able to land Gordon was because he didn't want to have 3 suspended players on his bench.
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Stealthycat
Footballguy
IR means Injured Reserve not Suspended
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Exactly.
Just because the site lets you do something doesn't mean it's ok.
you can run naked across the freeway - doesn't mean you should.
Because the software has the "loophole" in some host sites (CBS) it's best to just not have an IR - because as long as you "can", someone will.
SeanTaylor21
Footballguy
Our league only allows suspended players to be placed on IR if they are suspended for the whole year.
I seem to be the idiot who owns idiots because I had Gordon through last year and I still own Martavis.
I seem to be the idiot who owns idiots because I had Gordon through last year and I still own Martavis.
Ruffrodys05
IBL Representative
Reply to OP.....no, we do not allow suspended players on IR.
spider321
Footballguy
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spider321
Footballguy
OP Question: Does your league allow suspended players to go on IR?
My response: No. Why would it? Suspended players are not on the NFL team's IR.
Wheelsup's response: To the guy who says why would it? Because it is allowed, if it wasnt, we wouldnt be talking about it.
It may be time to put those training wheels back down, Wheels.
My response: No. Why would it? Suspended players are not on the NFL team's IR.
Wheelsup's response: To the guy who says why would it? Because it is allowed, if it wasnt, we wouldnt be talking about it.
It may be time to put those training wheels back down, Wheels.
jtd13
Footballguy
It's called injured reserve, not idiot reserve!
I do play in one dynasty league where suspended players are allowed on IR. It was clearly stated from the outset, so I don't have an issue with it, but some guys that didn't read the rules were making a fuss about it. The logic behind suspended players being allowed on it in dynasty is that they don't count against an NFL team's roster limit, so why count them against fantasy team's limit? I don't see as clear an argument for redraft, but IR doesn't make much sense for redraft anyway.
I do play in one dynasty league where suspended players are allowed on IR. It was clearly stated from the outset, so I don't have an issue with it, but some guys that didn't read the rules were making a fuss about it. The logic behind suspended players being allowed on it in dynasty is that they don't count against an NFL team's roster limit, so why count them against fantasy team's limit? I don't see as clear an argument for redraft, but IR doesn't make much sense for redraft anyway.
Captain Hook
Footballguy
sadly, Yes
Runnyb
Footballguy
We don't allow suspended players on IR.
I would like control over this as the commish since we only allow a one time use of the IR slot in CBS. I would love to know where this setting is in CBS - I cannot seem to find it anywhere. Owner permissions: there is no option to select or deselect "move to IR" for owner permissions.
Houston turmOiler
Footballguy
I implemented it this season to try it out. It's a Reserve spot technically, we only have 1 per team. We are a 14 team league with 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2 FLEX as well as the standard DST and K and our IDPs. We are allowed to keep 1 player at the spot he was drafted the year earlier. There ends up being 9 bench slots but I thought it might work to give teams the option of hanging on to a player for next season instead of feeling like they had to cut said player. Maybe there are already enough spots but I thought I'd try it out. Didn't get any objection when I proposed it.
A guy like Thomas Rawls comes to mind... our owner could have stashed him there to keep him on his roster at the end of the season with the intention of monitoring his recovery in the offseason, without being handicapped by one less bench spot for the playoff run. Since Rawls was undrafted in our league originally, he would only cost the owner a 15th round pick to retain him. Since we only have 1 keeper it doesn't seem likely to be abused, and the player has to be on an official NFL exempt list.
Anyway appreciate the discussion you guys have made some good points for us to consider in our league moving forward.
A guy like Thomas Rawls comes to mind... our owner could have stashed him there to keep him on his roster at the end of the season with the intention of monitoring his recovery in the offseason, without being handicapped by one less bench spot for the playoff run. Since Rawls was undrafted in our league originally, he would only cost the owner a 15th round pick to retain him. Since we only have 1 keeper it doesn't seem likely to be abused, and the player has to be on an official NFL exempt list.
Anyway appreciate the discussion you guys have made some good points for us to consider in our league moving forward.
heckmanm
Footballguy
I'm in 2 different MFL leagues - one contract/keeper, one auction dynasty. MFL allows either way.
In one league, we enforce strict NFL IR, and have it set to not allow lineup submission if the guy is on IR/Return and you leave him on IR after the NFL team activates him.
The other league decided to explicitly state in the rules that suspended players could go on league IR. I think we also allow PUP guys to use IR. I'd prefer not to allow suspended players, but I used it to carry Gordon last season.
In one league, we enforce strict NFL IR, and have it set to not allow lineup submission if the guy is on IR/Return and you leave him on IR after the NFL team activates him.
The other league decided to explicitly state in the rules that suspended players could go on league IR. I think we also allow PUP guys to use IR. I'd prefer not to allow suspended players, but I used it to carry Gordon last season.
Pipes
Footballguy
Not really...if it's allowed its because of poorly written league rules or a commish too lazy to change the setting. I can't believe people think this is ok. It's IR not SR or just R.
icecat4270
Footballguy
This may not be exactly what you are looking for but there is an option under League Details > Transaction Settings to allow only players with the IR designation in the injured slot. It is the third option down. We added it this year so not sure exactly how it will work out.
NJ
Footballguy
It feels like some people are taking the "Injured Reserve" spot too literal. Not sure about other league management software, but in the case of MFL, they don't have separate options for reserve/injured, reserve/pup, reserve/NFI, reserve/suspended, etc, they lumped them all under the same category and just gave an option to define which player statuses are allowed on it or not. It would probably be better if they just called it "Reserve". Suspended players don't count against an NFL 53 man roster so I don't see why its so far fetched to think a fantasy league might intentionally want to allow suspended players on the reserve list. I play in a dynasty league that recently had a vote to allow this. It should be about whatever the majority of the league wants, not about some silly MFL definition of a roster spot. If you want to allow suspended players, then allow it, if you are against it, then don't allow, but to say that it should not be allowed just because MFL calls it "Injured" reserve doesn't make much sense. You're just simply working within the limitations of the software in order to implement whatever your league rules are.
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Serious answer to why? Because in the NFL, suspended players do not count against the team's roster limit. They get a roster exemption to put another player in the suspended player's slot during the suspension. Using the IR slots is one of the easier ways to simulate this in a fantasy league.
I've seen it allowed, and seen it not allowed. As long as the rules are clear about it, it's just another strategy element in roster management.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Correct - and many leagues will specifically state that the IR is only for injured players, due to these limitations.
No league is bound to create rules to allow something they don't want just because the software is limited.
Generally this is on the honor system - it was in my leagues for a long time. Then (as commish) I started getting complaints about teams using the IR to "stockpile" a player who was listed as "questionable" ("he has a red cross!") So we made a rule that the player had to be listed as "doubtful" or "out" to be placed on the roster's IR spot.
Then I again received complaints about this from teams when their opponents had an active player on their IR, allowing them to skirt the roster limits and add a 2nd D/ST to cover a BYE instead of dropping someone.
Then it happened with a suspended player - and the argument was "well, CBS let me do it", even though they knew full well that the spirit of the rule was to have a place to put an injured player only listed as doubtful or out.
And it went on and on - we tried time and again to use the honor system and time and again it failed and my emails and phone blew up about it.
So we voted to eliminate the IR spot and add an extra bench. It's been peaceful ever since. In 7-8 years I've never had to hear a single complaint about someone's illegal IR spot. You want to roster a suspended player? Have at it. It costs you a roster spot. If the player is worth it, no one should have an issue with it. If you don't have the roster spot for it, don't hoard a suspended player. Simple.
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spider321
Footballguy
Huh?
Why would you allow a player listed as "doubtful" or "out" to be placed on IR?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Because it's a fantasy football league and not the real NFL. Our league used the "FANTASY FOOTBALL" IR for injured players. We did not have a requirement that the player actually had to be placed on Injured Reserve by his team. Generally, for redraft leagues, that player would be released and it wouldn't be an issue.
Sorry, I thought you knew we were talking about a fantasy sports game and not real life NFL rules. Roger Goodell didn't write our league constitution. Sorry if that was somehow unclear.
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spider321
Footballguy
That's so enlightening!Because it's a fantasy football league and not the real NFL. Our league used the "FANTASY FOOTBALL" IR for injured players. We did not have a requirement that the player actually had to be placed on Injured Reserve by his team. Generally, for redraft leagues, that player would be released and it wouldn't be an issue.
Sorry, I thought you knew we were talking about a fantasy sports game and not real life NFL rules. Roger Goodell didn't write our league constitution. Sorry if that was somehow unclear.
No reason to try to resemble real football, right?
Your league should give 10 points per FG and 1 per TD.
That would be awesome!!!
Even better, 10 points per made field goal and 37 points per missed field goal!
You would be super edgy and trend setting then, bro!!!
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Ion Cannon
Footballguy
From your league home page go to Commissioner Tool>Set Transaction Policies.
You can either set (Only allow players who are on the IR into "Injured" status) and/or (Enforce Lineup Policy when players come off the IR).
