Dogs Indoors At Breweries - Yes or No? (1 Viewer)

[Scoresman]

I continue to feel that dogs aren't the problem, the owners are. Lots of dogs do just fine in public places, indoor or not. There is no universal answer here. But a lot don't do well in all circumstances and too many dog owners dont have the awareness to realize this. I have a really good dog in general, but in crowded places she would get overwhelmed and could be unpredictable (barking, overprotective, etc). So we restrict her social outings to places where she can sit outside with us under the table.

 

[massraider]

I love dogs. Don't have one currently, but no hate for them.

What I do hate is dogs inside public spaces. Restaurants, Grocery Stores, Bars, etc.

I know that most people have little angels, just like their kids, but dogs don't have a place in every establishment you have access to. Leave them outside, in the car, or at home.

Yeah.......

And if you wanna leave your kids at home, that's cool with me as well

 

[Gally]

I continue to feel that dogs aren't the problem, the owners are.

I mean....people are always the problem.....with everything.

 

[Senor Schmutzig]

And if you wanna leave your kids at home, that's cool with me as well

Absolutely.

 

[Senor Schmutzig]

I continue to feel that dogs aren't the problem, the owners are. Lots of dogs do just fine in public places, indoor or not. There is no universal answer here. But a lot don't do well in all circumstances and too many dog owners dont have the awareness to realize this. I have a really good dog in general, but in crowded places she would get overwhelmed and could be unpredictable (barking, overprotective, etc). So we restrict her social outings to places where she can sit outside with us under the table.

I'm not saying they don't do fine and behave themselves most of the time, I just don't think they belong in indoor spaces, regardless of who is holding the leash.

Outside, whatever. I can deal with it.

Sometimes I prefer the owners to their dogs; sometimes I prefer the dogs to their owners.

 

[Scoresman]

I continue to feel that dogs aren't the problem, the owners are. Lots of dogs do just fine in public places, indoor or not. There is no universal answer here. But a lot don't do well in all circumstances and too many dog owners dont have the awareness to realize this. I have a really good dog in general, but in crowded places she would get overwhelmed and could be unpredictable (barking, overprotective, etc). So we restrict her social outings to places where she can sit outside with us under the table.

I'm not saying they don't do fine and behave themselves most of the time, I just don't think they belong in indoor spaces, regardless of who is holding the leash.

Outside, whatever. I can deal with it.

Sometimes I prefer the owners to their dogs; sometimes I prefer the dogs to their owners.

Do you feel this way because of possible allergies people may have? I cant think of another reason why a perfectly behaved dog would be a problem indoors. Do you have a problem visiting someone's house who has dogs inside?

I understand allergies could be a reason, and a valid one, but I fail to come up with any others other than "I just dont like dogs" which you dont seem to be in that group.

 

[Gally]

I understand allergies could be a reason, and a valid one, but I fail to come up with any others other than "I just dont like dogs" which you dont seem to be in that group.

Can't the reason be that I just don't like dogs/animals in restaurants or bars?

I like dogs just fine. I just don't want them in bars or restaurants or airplanes or amusement parks etc.

 

[Senor Schmutzig]

As previously mentioned, I like dogs just fine. I grew up with them, and I'll pet a friendly one on the street. But I really don't think they belong in restaurants, bars, or grocery stores, and I say this as someone without any particular fear or dislike of them.

I guess the main issue is hygiene. These are places where food is being prepared, served, or sold. Dogs walk on floors, shed, drool, and, yes, sometimes have accidents. Even the cleanest, best-behaved dog is still an animal that licks itself and sniffs things we'd rather not think about. In a grocery store where produce sits in open bins or where people are selecting fresh bread, that's just not sanitary. I was at Trader Joe's yesterday, watching a beagle stick its nose into everything at ground level. To your point, that's the owner's job to manage, but it certainly wouldn't be happening if the dog wasn't there to start with.

Then there's the fact that not everyone wants to be around dogs while they're eating or shopping. Some people are allergic. Some are genuinely afraid. Some have religious or cultural reasons for avoiding dogs. And some people just want to enjoy their meal or get their groceries without having to navigate around animals. A restaurant or store should be a neutral public space that accommodates everyone.

I also think the normalization of dogs everywhere actually makes things harder for people with legitimate service animals. When every third person has their pet in a store, it creates confusion and skepticism about who actually needs their animal for a medical reason. I'm at the point where I am doubting EVERY service animal I see because there are so many of them now, kind of like how I am a skeptic about people who park in handicap spots. I don't like to be that way, but because it's so much more ubiquitous than it was in the past (at least in South Florida, where I live), my attitude has changed from empathy to skepticism.

There are plenty of dog-friendly patios, parks, and outdoor spaces. Keeping indoor food establishments animal-free seems like a reasonable line to draw.

 

[Scoresman]

I understand allergies could be a reason, and a valid one, but I fail to come up with any others other than "I just dont like dogs" which you dont seem to be in that group.

Can't the reason be that I just don't like dogs/animals in restaurants or bars?

I like dogs just fine. I just don't want them in bars or restaurants or airplanes or amusement parks etc.

Sure, but I'm asking why? And my second question is do you think dogs dont belong inside someone's home when guests are over?

For me it would be because of bad owners, people who have allergies, etc.

 

[Gally]

I also think the normalization of dogs everywhere actually makes things harder for people with legitimate service animals

This is a big one also.

 

[Scoresman]

As previously mentioned, I like dogs just fine. I grew up with them, and I'll pet a friendly one on the street. But I really don't think they belong in restaurants, bars, or grocery stores, and I say this as someone without any particular fear or dislike of them.

I guess the main issue is hygiene. These are places where food is being prepared, served, or sold. Dogs walk on floors, shed, drool, and, yes, sometimes have accidents. Even the cleanest, best-behaved dog is still an animal that licks itself and sniffs things we'd rather not think about. In a grocery store where produce sits in open bins or where people are selecting fresh bread, that's just not sanitary. I was at Trader Joe's yesterday, watching a beagle stick its nose into everything at ground level. To your point, that's the owner's job to manage, but it certainly wouldn't be happening if the dog wasn't there to start with.

Then there's the fact that not everyone wants to be around dogs while they're eating or shopping. Some people are allergic. Some are genuinely afraid. Some have religious or cultural reasons for avoiding dogs. And some people just want to enjoy their meal or get their groceries without having to navigate around animals. A restaurant or store should be a neutral public space that accommodates everyone.

I also think the normalization of dogs everywhere actually makes things harder for people with legitimate service animals. When every third person has their pet in a store, it creates confusion and skepticism about who actually needs their animal for a medical reason. I'm at the point where I am doubting EVERY service animal I see because there are so many of them now, kind of like how I am a skeptic about people who park in handicap spots. I don't like to be that way, but because it's so much more ubiquitous than it was in the past (at least in South Florida, where I live), my attitude has changed from empathy to skepticism.

There are plenty of dog-friendly patios, parks, and outdoor spaces. Keeping indoor food establishments animal-free seems like a reasonable line to draw.

Good reasons here, but I think the hygiene thing is a little exaggerated. If they are limited to the floor, there is really no harm there. I've been eating breakfast lunch and dinner with a dog by my side most of my life.

And if your dog is prone to accidents, that goes back to the bad owner problem.

 

[dutch]

I understand allergies could be a reason, and a valid one, but I fail to come up with any others other than "I just dont like dogs" which you dont seem to be in that group.

Can't the reason be that I just don't like dogs/animals in restaurants or bars?

I like dogs just fine. I just don't want them in bars or restaurants or airplanes or amusement parks etc.

Sure, but I'm asking why? And my second question is do you think dogs dont belong inside someone's home when guests are over?

For me it would be because of bad owners, people who have allergies, etc.

Not speaking for Gally but for me one of the main reasons is I do not know you or trust you when you say your dog is the bestest, most awesome3st dog ever. All dog owners think like this and then when a dog does act up and barks or lunges or sniffs or licks they are surprised that I don't like that. I'm sure your dog is great and obedient and gentle but how should I know that when I don't know you? I am not gonna just trust you cuz I know people lie to themselves when it comes to their pets.

 

[dutch]

And yes, I have a friend who I will not visit unless she assures me her pitbull is either locked in the basement or outside if weather permits cuz that dog is a menace, imo. She knows how I feel about her dog but doesn't like the idea of getting rid of that monster.

 

[Scoresman]

I understand allergies could be a reason, and a valid one, but I fail to come up with any others other than "I just dont like dogs" which you dont seem to be in that group.

Can't the reason be that I just don't like dogs/animals in restaurants or bars?

I like dogs just fine. I just don't want them in bars or restaurants or airplanes or amusement parks etc.

Sure, but I'm asking why? And my second question is do you think dogs dont belong inside someone's home when guests are over?

For me it would be because of bad owners, people who have allergies, etc.

Not speaking for Gally but for me one of the main reasons is I do not know you or trust you when you say your dog is the bestest, most awesome3st dog ever. All dog owners think like this and then when a dog does act up and barks or lunges or sniffs or licks they are surprised that I don't like that. I'm sure your dog is great and obedient and gentle but how should I know that when I don't know you? I am not gonna just trust you cuz I know people lie to themselves when it comes to their pets.

That goes back to what I was saying about dog owners lacking the awareness to realize their dog may not be suitable to be that social with others. That's ultimately the reason we can't have nice things like this.

 

[Gally]

That's ultimately the reason we can't have nice things like this.

We can agree to disagree that being able to bring a dog around to public places like restaurants, bars, and airplanes is not nice thing. To me it is unnecessary.


I don't mind if there are restaurants specifically marketing dogs can be here type of thing. I just won't go to those places. But the majority shouldn't allow pets.

 

[AAABatteries]

Indoors - no. Allergies, cleanliness, uncertainty of behavior of the dog around other dogs. Generally speaking I don’t think most indoor spaces are conducive to having dogs there.

Outdoors - all for it.

 

[nirad3]

Indoors - no. Allergies, cleanliness, uncertainty of behavior of the dog around other dogs. Generally speaking I don’t think most indoor spaces are conducive to having dogs there.

Outdoors - all for it.

Agreed. I absolutely love most dogs. But INSIDE a restaurant or grocery store? Come on.

A nice outdoor space - say, a brewery - with picnic tables and plenty of room? Absolutely.

 

[AAABatteries]

To clarify more on my thinking - I personally would still go to a good brewery that allowed dogs indoors even though I sometimes have allergy problems with longer haired dogs that aren’t bathed regularly (always seemed to be more a pollen allergy). But it would influence my decision if the beer was mediocre. Also, my wife is afraid of large dogs she doesn’t know as she got bitten as a child. If she’s with me I skip it completely.

Ultimately though, I have no problem with brewery owners making that call for themselves. I’m under no obligation to go to their brewery and they are trying to run a business and make money.

 

[the moops]

I also think the normalization of dogs everywhere actually makes things harder for people with legitimate service animals

This is a big one also.

How does it make it harder for those folks?

 

[drummer]

I think Smug at Ruthless Podcast would have the best answer here.

 

[Senor Schmutzig]

How does it make it harder for those folks?

When every third person has their pet in a store, it creates confusion and skepticism about who actually needs their animal for a medical reason. I'm at the point where I am doubting EVERY service animal I see because there are so many of them now, kind of like how I am a skeptic about people who park in handicap spots. I don't like to be that way, but because it's so much more ubiquitous than it was in the past (at least in South Florida, where I live), my attitude has changed from empathy to skepticism.

 

[Gally]

I also think the normalization of dogs everywhere actually makes things harder for people with legitimate service animals

This is a big one also.

How does it make it harder for those folks?

More animals out in public in confined spaces (like grocery stores, airports, etc) can cause incidents between non-service animals and will make it harder for service animals to not react and do their job as trained. Most true service animals will stay calm but it is an unnecessary situation that is being exploited by selfish people (again back to people).

 

[Deepster]

Absolutely not.

I get it. You love dogs. You love dogs more than people. Dogs make the world better. Your dog is well behaved. I get it.

I don't care for pets and I prefer to not be around them and, just because you love them doesn't give you carte blanche to take the dog anywhere you want.

And before you get emotional in your response? 53.4% of the people who have voted say: Probably No but not sure, No, Absolutely No and Absolutely No even in outdoor seating. So basically, you're saying you don't care about the feelings of over half the people in a given place because you selfishly want your dog there with you.

 

[Mookie]

Absolutely not.

I get it. You love dogs. You love dogs more than people. Dogs make the world better. Your dog is well behaved. I get it.

I don't care for pets and I prefer to not be around them and, just because you love them doesn't give you carte blanche to take the dog anywhere you want.

And before you get emotional in your response? 53.4% of the people who have voted say: Probably No but not sure, No, Absolutely No and Absolutely No even in outdoor seating. So basically, you're saying you don't care about the feelings of over half the people in a given place because you selfishly want your dog there with you.

Agreed. I don't enjoy having my flip flopped feet licked by a dog while I enjoy a beer on the deck on a nice sunny summer day. If the dog owner is hosting, that's a different story - your house, your rules. At a restaurant/tavern, however, a "friendly" dog is akin to a friendly drunk - just leave me alone. Plus, I have no idea if your dog is docile, friendly, aggressive, or gets skittish around men with baseball caps (I've seen this one firsthand) - it's not my responsibility to help you "socialize" your traumatized shelter dog.

 

[Northern Voice]

We allow them at our brewery, kids too. We don't actively advertise for either one but if the family wants to bring everyone out, we're not going to stop them. When there is a dog in there most of the people swoon over it and are extremely happy to see it. Kids tend to be more of an issue to be honest, most people will only bring out well behaved pets but tend to have a blind spot for their not well behaved children.

We don't have a commerical kitchen on site and our brewery is a seperate sealed off unit. If either were not the case, we would not allow dogs for health code reasons.

 

[Scoresman]

Absolutely not.

I get it. You love dogs. You love dogs more than people. Dogs make the world better. Your dog is well behaved. I get it.

I don't care for pets and I prefer to not be around them and, just because you love them doesn't give you carte blanche to take the dog anywhere you want.

And before you get emotional in your response? 53.4% of the people who have voted say: Probably No but not sure, No, Absolutely No and Absolutely No even in outdoor seating. So basically, you're saying you don't care about the feelings of over half the people in a given place because you selfishly want your dog there with you.

This is another post where you could replace the word dogs with kids and have it still be true for a lot of people.

 

[Phil Elliott]

Dogs ok outside on a patio/deck. Not inside.

 

[Mookie]

Absolutely not.

I get it. You love dogs. You love dogs more than people. Dogs make the world better. Your dog is well behaved. I get it.

I don't care for pets and I prefer to not be around them and, just because you love them doesn't give you carte blanche to take the dog anywhere you want.

And before you get emotional in your response? 53.4% of the people who have voted say: Probably No but not sure, No, Absolutely No and Absolutely No even in outdoor seating. So basically, you're saying you don't care about the feelings of over half the people in a given place because you selfishly want your dog there with you.

This is another post where you could replace the word dogs with kids and have it still be true for a lot of people.

If a dog sniffs my nuts, I have to tolerate it. If a kid does it, I go to jail. How is that the same?

 

[Scoresman]

Absolutely not.

I get it. You love dogs. You love dogs more than people. Dogs make the world better. Your dog is well behaved. I get it.

I don't care for pets and I prefer to not be around them and, just because you love them doesn't give you carte blanche to take the dog anywhere you want.

And before you get emotional in your response? 53.4% of the people who have voted say: Probably No but not sure, No, Absolutely No and Absolutely No even in outdoor seating. So basically, you're saying you don't care about the feelings of over half the people in a given place because you selfishly want your dog there with you.

This is another post where you could replace the word dogs with kids and have it still be true for a lot of people.

If a dog sniffs my nuts, I have to tolerate it. If a kid does it, I go to jail. How is that the same?

All the more reason to allow dogs instead of kids!

 

[jwb]

I get it. You love dogs. You love dogs more than people. Dogs make the world better. Your dog is well behaved. I get it.

You could be describing me here. I love dogs. I've always had dogs. My current dog is, without a doubt, the bestest dog ever.

But I'm not bringing her to the brewery. Or the store. I know not everyone feels the same about dogs, and I totally respect that. I also don't feel it's safe for the dog either. Lots of nutty people out there who will lose it if your dog gets within 5 feet of their kid or whatnot.

Can we just leave the dogs home for these things? It's better for everyone, the dog included.

 

[massraider]

This is another post where you could replace the word dogs with kids and have it still be true for a lot of people

People who don't understand that dogs aren't equal to human beings?

If I have a choice, I don't want kids or dogs in the restaurant with me. But kids and dogs aren't interchangeable for me. Adults can leave a 2 year old dog at home. They can't leave a 2 year old kid at home.

 

[Mookie]

This is another post where you could replace the word dogs with kids and have it still be true for a lot of people

People who don't understand that dogs aren't equal to human beings?

If I have a choice, I don't want kids or dogs in the restaurant with me. But kids and dogs aren't interchangeable for me. Adults can leave a 2 year old dog at home. They can't leave a 2 year old kid at home.

Yeah, but that dog is really 14 in people years.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

I love dogs. Don't have one currently, but no hate for them.

What I do hate is dogs inside public spaces. Restaurants, Grocery Stores, Bars, etc.

I know that most people have little angels, just like their kids, but dogs don't have a place in every establishment you have access to. Leave them outside, in the car, or at home.

I’m with Senor here

 

[AAABatteries]

This is another post where you could replace the word dogs with kids and have it still be true for a lot of people

People who don't understand that dogs aren't equal to human beings?

If I have a choice, I don't want kids or dogs in the restaurant with me. But kids and dogs aren't interchangeable for me. Adults can leave a 2 year old dog at home. They can't leave a 2 year old kid at home.

Sure I can - with the wife while I go to the brewery alone.

WALA

 

[Scoresman]

This is another post where you could replace the word dogs with kids and have it still be true for a lot of people

People who don't understand that dogs aren't equal to human beings?

If I have a choice, I don't want kids or dogs in the restaurant with me. But kids and dogs aren't interchangeable for me. Adults can leave a 2 year old dog at home. They can't leave a 2 year old kid at home.

There is a third option. Dont go.

Dog or kids. If they are going to be disruptive to others, you have the choice not to go if you cant leave them behind.

My only point was the reasons people seem to have for not wanting dogs at indoor restaurants can also apply to kids. Noise reasons, sanitary reasons, etc. This point can be made without equating dogs to human beings.