Dogs Indoors At Breweries - Yes or No? (1 Viewer)

[the moops]

If a restaurant permits dogs why do you care? Just don't go there. This isn't high level complex math here, folks.

Didn't you hear about the dog passing the germs to the floor which passes the germs onto your food??

 

[General Malaise]

Yeah I think there just needs to be some hard truths* to be had here:

1. Not everybody likes Fido or finds Fido cute.
2. Fido isn't a human and therefore other humans shouldn't be required to tolerate Fido like they do other tiny humans (who, I agree, can be just as gross and annoying).
3. Fido, even under the best circumstances, can pose a health risk. Fido can also be annoying. Fido could also be minding his own business but doesn't like that some toddler stuck a finger in his eye or some other dog aggressive dog challenges him to a fight.
4. Because of the above, while a human should absolutely be permitted to own Fido as his property, reasonable restrictions - such as maybe just leave Fido at home when you go to the grocery store - can be put in place.
5. If Fido is a trained service dog, then the interests to the owner is heightened and an exception should be made for super special Fido.


*Kind of as Paddington defines the term.

If a restaurant permits dogs why do you care? Just don't go there. This isn't high level complex math here, folks.

100%.

But my post, while I acknowledged wasn't directly addressed to somewhat, was written more in response to Fat Nick who seems to be suggesting that pet dogs should be permitted everywhere - including grocery stores.

Again, I fully support dog-friendly bars and restaurants provided they are clear about their policy and that zero-pet restaurants similarly stick to such policies and dog owners don't demand to bring Fido there.

I don't think he wants them everywhere. I mean, he didn't advocate for his heart surgeon do bring Fido into the OR but he's certainly more accepting our four-legged friends than others.

 

[Zow]

Yeah I think there just needs to be some hard truths* to be had here:

1. Not everybody likes Fido or finds Fido cute.
2. Fido isn't a human and therefore other humans shouldn't be required to tolerate Fido like they do other tiny humans (who, I agree, can be just as gross and annoying).
3. Fido, even under the best circumstances, can pose a health risk. Fido can also be annoying. Fido could also be minding his own business but doesn't like that some toddler stuck a finger in his eye or some other dog aggressive dog challenges him to a fight.
4. Because of the above, while a human should absolutely be permitted to own Fido as his property, reasonable restrictions - such as maybe just leave Fido at home when you go to the grocery store - can be put in place.
5. If Fido is a trained service dog, then the interests to the owner is heightened and an exception should be made for super special Fido.


*Kind of as Paddington defines the term.

If a restaurant permits dogs why do you care? Just don't go there. This isn't high level complex math here, folks.

100%.

But my post, while I acknowledged wasn't directly addressed to somewhat, was written more in response to Fat Nick who seems to be suggesting that pet dogs should be permitted everywhere - including grocery stores.

Again, I fully support dog-friendly bars and restaurants provided they are clear about their policy and that zero-pet restaurants similarly stick to such policies and dog owners don't demand to bring Fido there.

I don't think he wants them everywhere. I mean, he didn't advocate for his heart surgeon do bring Fido into the OR but he's certainly more accepting our four-legged friends than others.

I could be misinterpreting him, but the bold is how I interpreted his posts. To me, he sounds like one of those 2nd amendment gun nuts who want to bring their rifles anywhere they go or some smoker's rights person who think they should be permitted to smoke everywhere.

 

[General Malaise]

Dogs that shed are disgusting around food.

Dogs that dont shed are often even more disgusting because they need to be cleaned more often and most people are lazy. The amount of feces that is stuck to their butts varies, but it is always present at some level on a dog that doesn't shed.

Spare me the "omg you should see how many people dont wash their hands" arguments because a disgusting slob that doesnt wash his hands isnt minimized by the presence of a dog and we obviously arent banning humans.

That is nothing more than a diversion.

Do you throw this sort of temper tantrum when invited for dinner at a dog-owner's home?

Dining in someone’s home is completely different from a public restaurant. In a private home, I know the environment and can choose whether to eat there. I don’t expect private homes to follow health codes, but restaurants are shared spaces where basic hygiene is a reasonable expectation.

"Choose". Glad you said it. You can choose not to eat at a dog friendly establishment and save yourself the grief. My work is done here, Willie.

 

[Willie Neslon]

If a restaurant permits dogs why do you care? Just don't go there. This isn't high level complex math here, folks.

Didn't you hear about the dog passing the germs to the floor which passes the germs onto your food??

Mocking my point doesn’t change the facts.. Dogs carry bacteria and parasites that can transfer to surfaces like floors, increasing the risk of contamination. That’s exactly why health codes prohibit them. It's a bit stunning that this has to be said over and over.

 

[Scoresman]

Dogs that shed are disgusting around food.

Dogs that dont shed are often even more disgusting because they need to be cleaned more often and most people are lazy. The amount of feces that is stuck to their butts varies, but it is always present at some level on a dog that doesn't shed.

Spare me the "omg you should see how many people dont wash their hands" arguments because a disgusting slob that doesnt wash his hands isnt minimized by the presence of a dog and we obviously arent banning humans.

That is nothing more than a diversion.

Do you throw this sort of temper tantrum when invited for dinner at a dog-owner's home?

Dining in someone’s home is completely different from a public restaurant. In a private home, I know the environment and can choose whether to eat there. I don’t expect private homes to follow health codes, but restaurants are shared spaces where basic hygiene is a reasonable expectation.

So you wouldn’t eat at a friend’s house who had a dog then, since you seem to be worried about bacteria traveling from the floor onto the table and onto the food?

Do you think households that own dogs aren’t hygenic?

 

[Scoresman]

Man I had no idea. Guess I need to stop eating directly off my floor!!

 

[Willie Neslon]

Dogs that shed are disgusting around food.

Dogs that dont shed are often even more disgusting because they need to be cleaned more often and most people are lazy. The amount of feces that is stuck to their butts varies, but it is always present at some level on a dog that doesn't shed.

Spare me the "omg you should see how many people dont wash their hands" arguments because a disgusting slob that doesnt wash his hands isnt minimized by the presence of a dog and we obviously arent banning humans.

That is nothing more than a diversion.

Do you throw this sort of temper tantrum when invited for dinner at a dog-owner's home?

Dining in someone’s home is completely different from a public restaurant. In a private home, I know the environment and can choose whether to eat there. I don’t expect private homes to follow health codes, but restaurants are shared spaces where basic hygiene is a reasonable expectation.

"Choose". Glad you said it. You can choose not to eat a dog friendly establishment and save yourself the grief. My work is done here, Willie.

You can knowingly choose to eat at places that don't comply with health codes, but those health codes are there to ensure the public has a right to eat in places that follow basic hygiene standards. If restaurants aren’t willing to comply they shouldn’t be open.

 

[General Malaise]

Dogs that shed are disgusting around food.

Dogs that dont shed are often even more disgusting because they need to be cleaned more often and most people are lazy. The amount of feces that is stuck to their butts varies, but it is always present at some level on a dog that doesn't shed.

Spare me the "omg you should see how many people dont wash their hands" arguments because a disgusting slob that doesnt wash his hands isnt minimized by the presence of a dog and we obviously arent banning humans.

That is nothing more than a diversion.

Do you throw this sort of temper tantrum when invited for dinner at a dog-owner's home?

Dining in someone’s home is completely different from a public restaurant. In a private home, I know the environment and can choose whether to eat there. I don’t expect private homes to follow health codes, but restaurants are shared spaces where basic hygiene is a reasonable expectation.

So you wouldn’t eat at a friend’s house who had a dog then, since you seem to be worried about bacteria traveling from the floor onto the table and onto the food?

Do you think households that own dogs aren’t hygenic?

I swear some of these guys have the immune systems of the Bubble Boy from Seinfeld.

Moops - hey

 

[General Malaise]

Dogs that shed are disgusting around food.

Dogs that dont shed are often even more disgusting because they need to be cleaned more often and most people are lazy. The amount of feces that is stuck to their butts varies, but it is always present at some level on a dog that doesn't shed.

Spare me the "omg you should see how many people dont wash their hands" arguments because a disgusting slob that doesnt wash his hands isnt minimized by the presence of a dog and we obviously arent banning humans.

That is nothing more than a diversion.

Do you throw this sort of temper tantrum when invited for dinner at a dog-owner's home?

Dining in someone’s home is completely different from a public restaurant. In a private home, I know the environment and can choose whether to eat there. I don’t expect private homes to follow health codes, but restaurants are shared spaces where basic hygiene is a reasonable expectation.

"Choose". Glad you said it. You can choose not to eat a dog friendly establishment and save yourself the grief. My work is done here, Willie.

You can knowingly choose to eat at places that don't comply with health codes, but those health codes are there to ensure the public has a right to eat in places that follow basic hygiene standards. If restaurants aren’t willing to comply they shouldn’t be open.

I'm glad you discovered today that you have agency over where you do and do not eat. This was a big day for you.

 

[The Gator]

How is this any different than a guy who was scratching his *** in his car before he came in to get produce? Honest question.

The difference is you don't know about the guy doing it in his car so it's not real.

head in the sand style. If you don't see it it didn't happen

They still do it and you still touch what they touch fyi

 

[Willie Neslon]

Dogs that shed are disgusting around food.

Dogs that dont shed are often even more disgusting because they need to be cleaned more often and most people are lazy. The amount of feces that is stuck to their butts varies, but it is always present at some level on a dog that doesn't shed.

Spare me the "omg you should see how many people dont wash their hands" arguments because a disgusting slob that doesnt wash his hands isnt minimized by the presence of a dog and we obviously arent banning humans.

That is nothing more than a diversion.

Do you throw this sort of temper tantrum when invited for dinner at a dog-owner's home?

Dining in someone’s home is completely different from a public restaurant. In a private home, I know the environment and can choose whether to eat there. I don’t expect private homes to follow health codes, but restaurants are shared spaces where basic hygiene is a reasonable expectation.

So you wouldn’t eat at a friend’s house who had a dog then, since you seem to be worried about bacteria traveling from the floor onto the table and onto the food?

Do you think households that own dogs aren’t hygenic?

In a private home I can assess the environment and make my own decision. In a restaurant, I don’t have full control, which is why health standards exist to ensure cleanliness and safety for everyone.

And no, I don’t think households with dogs are inherently unhygienic. The difference is that public restaurants are held to higher hygiene expectations due to health regulations meant to protect diners.

 

[General Malaise]

Dogs that shed are disgusting around food.

Dogs that dont shed are often even more disgusting because they need to be cleaned more often and most people are lazy. The amount of feces that is stuck to their butts varies, but it is always present at some level on a dog that doesn't shed.

Spare me the "omg you should see how many people dont wash their hands" arguments because a disgusting slob that doesnt wash his hands isnt minimized by the presence of a dog and we obviously arent banning humans.

That is nothing more than a diversion.

Do you throw this sort of temper tantrum when invited for dinner at a dog-owner's home?

Dining in someone’s home is completely different from a public restaurant. In a private home, I know the environment and can choose whether to eat there. I don’t expect private homes to follow health codes, but restaurants are shared spaces where basic hygiene is a reasonable expectation.

So you wouldn’t eat at a friend’s house who had a dog then, since you seem to be worried about bacteria traveling from the floor onto the table and onto the food?

Do you think households that own dogs aren’t hygenic?

In a private home I can assess the environment and make my own decision. In a restaurant, I don’t have full control, which is why health standards exist to ensure cleanliness and safety for everyone.

And no, I don’t think households with dogs are inherently unhygienic. The difference is that public restaurants are held to higher hygiene expectations due to health regulations meant to protect diners.

What are you taking about? You have full control on where you choose to eat. This isn't as hard as you're choosing to make it, Willie. Don't go eat at places that permit dogs. There are plenty of places that don't. Go there. Save yourself the aggravation, man!

 

[Willie Neslon]

Dogs that shed are disgusting around food.

Dogs that dont shed are often even more disgusting because they need to be cleaned more often and most people are lazy. The amount of feces that is stuck to their butts varies, but it is always present at some level on a dog that doesn't shed.

Spare me the "omg you should see how many people dont wash their hands" arguments because a disgusting slob that doesnt wash his hands isnt minimized by the presence of a dog and we obviously arent banning humans.

That is nothing more than a diversion.

Do you throw this sort of temper tantrum when invited for dinner at a dog-owner's home?

Dining in someone’s home is completely different from a public restaurant. In a private home, I know the environment and can choose whether to eat there. I don’t expect private homes to follow health codes, but restaurants are shared spaces where basic hygiene is a reasonable expectation.

"Choose". Glad you said it. You can choose not to eat a dog friendly establishment and save yourself the grief. My work is done here, Willie.

You can knowingly choose to eat at places that don't comply with health codes, but those health codes are there to ensure the public has a right to eat in places that follow basic hygiene standards. If restaurants aren’t willing to comply they shouldn’t be open.

I'm glad you discovered today that you have agency over where you do and do not eat. This was a big day for you.

I don’t appreciate being condescended to for pointing out that public health standards matter. Expecting hygiene in public spaces isn’t some groundbreaking revelation.

 

[Scoresman]

Dogs that shed are disgusting around food.

Dogs that dont shed are often even more disgusting because they need to be cleaned more often and most people are lazy. The amount of feces that is stuck to their butts varies, but it is always present at some level on a dog that doesn't shed.

Spare me the "omg you should see how many people dont wash their hands" arguments because a disgusting slob that doesnt wash his hands isnt minimized by the presence of a dog and we obviously arent banning humans.

That is nothing more than a diversion.

Do you throw this sort of temper tantrum when invited for dinner at a dog-owner's home?

Dining in someone’s home is completely different from a public restaurant. In a private home, I know the environment and can choose whether to eat there. I don’t expect private homes to follow health codes, but restaurants are shared spaces where basic hygiene is a reasonable expectation.

"Choose". Glad you said it. You can choose not to eat a dog friendly establishment and save yourself the grief. My work is done here, Willie.

You can knowingly choose to eat at places that don't comply with health codes, but those health codes are there to ensure the public has a right to eat in places that follow basic hygiene standards. If restaurants aren’t willing to comply they shouldn’t be open.

I'm glad you discovered today that you have agency over where you do and do not eat. This was a big day for you.

I don’t appreciate being condescended to for pointing out that public health standards matter. Expecting hygiene in public spaces isn’t some groundbreaking revelation.

Does the health code address how the dog’s bacteria gets from the floor where the dog is onto the table and onto the food?

 

[General Malaise]

Dogs that shed are disgusting around food.

Dogs that dont shed are often even more disgusting because they need to be cleaned more often and most people are lazy. The amount of feces that is stuck to their butts varies, but it is always present at some level on a dog that doesn't shed.

Spare me the "omg you should see how many people dont wash their hands" arguments because a disgusting slob that doesnt wash his hands isnt minimized by the presence of a dog and we obviously arent banning humans.

That is nothing more than a diversion.

Do you throw this sort of temper tantrum when invited for dinner at a dog-owner's home?

Dining in someone’s home is completely different from a public restaurant. In a private home, I know the environment and can choose whether to eat there. I don’t expect private homes to follow health codes, but restaurants are shared spaces where basic hygiene is a reasonable expectation.

"Choose". Glad you said it. You can choose not to eat a dog friendly establishment and save yourself the grief. My work is done here, Willie.

You can knowingly choose to eat at places that don't comply with health codes, but those health codes are there to ensure the public has a right to eat in places that follow basic hygiene standards. If restaurants aren’t willing to comply they shouldn’t be open.

I'm glad you discovered today that you have agency over where you do and do not eat. This was a big day for you.

I don’t appreciate being condescended to for pointing out that public health standards matter. Expecting hygiene in public spaces isn’t some groundbreaking revelation.

And I don't appreciate you riding in on your high horse telling others how the restaurant industry should conduct itself. You aren't any more equipped to opine on health standards than I am so maybe knock it off with your health code nonsense. Unless you can verify your credentials as a health code expert, your opinion means as much to me as my dog's.

 

[Zow]

. Unless you can verify your credentials as a health code expert, your opinion means as much to me as my dog's.

Let's cut to the much more relevant question here: If Willie Neslon and your dog were simultaneously drowning and you can only save one, which one do you save?

 

[Zow]

Oy, I tried to reduce those nested quotes and somehow botched that.

 

[Scoresman]

I understand that not all dogs are good and bad dog owners are responsible for ruining it for the rest of us by bringing their misbehaved dogs, which I agree at this point do not belong inside a restaurant in general.

But some people are suggesting that the mere presence of a dog in a room automatically makes that room unhygienic, which is ridiculous to me.

 

[Zegras11]

Big fan of less dogs in public spaces. A dog does not need to be in a home depot where people are trying to load lumber and other projects. A dog does not need to be in a grocery store where people are trying to get through and get their shopping done. A dog should not be in a restaurant where people are trying to go out and have a nice meal without the distraction of dogs all over the place. If you serve food - no dogs. Dogs should not be at malls, pharmacies, or whatever place people take them.

Dogs can stay home, people. If you can't live without your dog for two hours than go seek some help. Dogs everywhere makes it stressful on the dog and all the other people trying to go about their day without a dog under their feet all the time.

I love dogs. Have one at home. But man it's getting old seeing dogs literally everywhere these days. And if I see one more dog panting in the back of the car because their owner just can't leave them at home for a half hour I'm gonna get all ragey up in their business.

:rantover:

I love dogs. Don't hate me.

My dogs want to poop on your lawn.

 

[Willie Neslon]

Dogs that shed are disgusting around food.

Dogs that dont shed are often even more disgusting because they need to be cleaned more often and most people are lazy. The amount of feces that is stuck to their butts varies, but it is always present at some level on a dog that doesn't shed.

Spare me the "omg you should see how many people dont wash their hands" arguments because a disgusting slob that doesnt wash his hands isnt minimized by the presence of a dog and we obviously arent banning humans.

That is nothing more than a diversion.

Do you throw this sort of temper tantrum when invited for dinner at a dog-owner's home?

Dining in someone’s home is completely different from a public restaurant. In a private home, I know the environment and can choose whether to eat there. I don’t expect private homes to follow health codes, but restaurants are shared spaces where basic hygiene is a reasonable expectation.

"Choose". Glad you said it. You can choose not to eat a dog friendly establishment and save yourself the grief. My work is done here, Willie.

You can knowingly choose to eat at places that don't comply with health codes, but those health codes are there to ensure the public has a right to eat in places that follow basic hygiene standards. If restaurants aren’t willing to comply they shouldn’t be open.

I'm glad you discovered today that you have agency over where you do and do not eat. This was a big day for you.

I don’t appreciate being condescended to for pointing out that public health standards matter. Expecting hygiene in public spaces isn’t some groundbreaking revelation.

And I don't appreciate you riding in on your high horse telling others how the restaurant industry should conduct itself. You aren't any more equipped to opine on health standards than I am so maybe knock it off with your health code nonsense. Unless you can verify your credentials as a health code expert, your opinion means as much to me as my dog's.

I’m not stating opinions here. I’m pointing out facts about laws and food safety that are easy to look up. These regulations aren’t up for debate. They’re based on science and designed to protect public health. I don’t need to be a health code expert to read them and know they exist. It seems like your emotional attachment to your dog is clouding your ability to engage with the facts and instead making you resort to ad hominem remarks. I’ve had just about enough.

 

[Instinctive]

I understand that not all dogs are good and bad dog owners are responsible for ruining it for the rest of us by bringing their misbehaved dogs, which I agree at this point do not belong inside a restaurant in general.

But some people are suggesting that the mere presence of a dog in a room automatically makes that room unhygienic, which is ridiculous to me.

There's a difference between unhygienic and not up to the legal standard we have set FWIW.

 

[General Malaise]

. Unless you can verify your credentials as a health code expert, your opinion means as much to me as my dog's.

Let's cut to the much more relevant question here: If Willie Neslon and your dog were simultaneously drowning and you can only save one, which one do you save?

My dog is my favorite child. I taught him to swim as a baby as I did my other kids so he's fine. Guess I'd have to pull Willie to shore though he'd probably die of germs touching another human.

 

[General Malaise]

Dogs that shed are disgusting around food.

Dogs that dont shed are often even more disgusting because they need to be cleaned more often and most people are lazy. The amount of feces that is stuck to their butts varies, but it is always present at some level on a dog that doesn't shed.

Spare me the "omg you should see how many people dont wash their hands" arguments because a disgusting slob that doesnt wash his hands isnt minimized by the presence of a dog and we obviously arent banning humans.

That is nothing more than a diversion.

Do you throw this sort of temper tantrum when invited for dinner at a dog-owner's home?

Dining in someone’s home is completely different from a public restaurant. In a private home, I know the environment and can choose whether to eat there. I don’t expect private homes to follow health codes, but restaurants are shared spaces where basic hygiene is a reasonable expectation.

"Choose". Glad you said it. You can choose not to eat a dog friendly establishment and save yourself the grief. My work is done here, Willie.

You can knowingly choose to eat at places that don't comply with health codes, but those health codes are there to ensure the public has a right to eat in places that follow basic hygiene standards. If restaurants aren’t willing to comply they shouldn’t be open.

I'm glad you discovered today that you have agency over where you do and do not eat. This was a big day for you.

I don’t appreciate being condescended to for pointing out that public health standards matter. Expecting hygiene in public spaces isn’t some groundbreaking revelation.

And I don't appreciate you riding in on your high horse telling others how the restaurant industry should conduct itself. You aren't any more equipped to opine on health standards than I am so maybe knock it off with your health code nonsense. Unless you can verify your credentials as a health code expert, your opinion means as much to me as my dog's.

I’m not stating opinions here. I’m pointing out facts about laws and food safety that are easy to look up. These regulations aren’t up for debate. They’re based on science and designed to protect public health. I don’t need to be a health code expert to read them and know they exist. It seems like your emotional attachment to your dog is clouding your ability to engage with the facts and instead making you resort to ad hominem remarks. I’ve had just about enough.

You're doing so as if you know better - you don't. You have no more credentials on this than I do yet one of us is masquerading as an expert and it ain't me. If you're so sure about this then why are there restaurants and brew pubs that allow dogs? Why hasn't the USA put an end to this? Huh? You're so well versed on health codes so tell us why places of business where food and drinks are served permit dogs if it's such a gross violation?





I'm so sick and tired of people with no qualifications telling us how things should be done. Ad hominen that.

 

[KarmaPolice]

The way the vote is worded, sure - the business should be able to choose to have that option for guests.

Personal preference is a hard no. I wouldn't willingly go to such a place, and would be annoyed if i found myself at one.

 

[parasaurolophus]

Dogs that shed are disgusting around food.

Dogs that dont shed are often even more disgusting because they need to be cleaned more often and most people are lazy. The amount of feces that is stuck to their butts varies, but it is always present at some level on a dog that doesn't shed.

Spare me the "omg you should see how many people dont wash their hands" arguments because a disgusting slob that doesnt wash his hands isnt minimized by the presence of a dog and we obviously arent banning humans.

That is nothing more than a diversion.

Do you throw this sort of temper tantrum when invited for dinner at a dog-owner's home?

I am a FBG. In my social circle we all have full time staff to keep the place spotless.

 

[bigbottom]

The way the vote is worded, sure - the business should be able to choose to have that option for guests.

Personal preference is a hard no. I wouldn't willingly go to such a place, and would be annoyed if i found myself at one.

Yeah, my comment above was about my personal preference as to whether dogs should be in indoor restaurants. My preference is no, but I don’t think it should be against the law or anything. If a restaurant wants to allow dogs, have at it.

 

[KarmaPolice]

I understand that not all dogs are good and bad dog owners are responsible for ruining it for the rest of us by bringing their misbehaved dogs, which I agree at this point do not belong inside a restaurant in general.

But some people are suggesting that the mere presence of a dog in a room automatically makes that room unhygienic, which is ridiculous to me.

Maybe not automatically, but would you say it increases the risk of an being unhygienic?

FWIW, that doesn't enter my equation, more just curious. I just don't like dogs and would prefer not to be around them in general, let alone when enjoying a rare meal or beverage out.

 

[the moops]

The way the vote is worded, sure - the business should be able to choose to have that option for guests.

Personal preference is a hard no. I wouldn't willingly go to such a place, and would be annoyed if i found myself at one.

If there is a dog just laying on the ground under a table nowhere near you why would you be annoyed? It has no impact on your visit.

 

[KarmaPolice]

How is this any different than a guy who was scratching his *** in his car before he came in to get produce? Honest question.

The difference is you don't know about the guy doing it in his car so it's not real. The dogs are right in front of you and see it happening. It's different (even if it's the same).

And, arguably humans need to be in grocery stores because they're our most common food outlet which we obviously need.

In contrast, there is no objective need for a dog* to be in a grocery store. So, while we really can't prevent *** scratcher from going in, we can easily prevent dogs from being in there.

*As always, service dogs excluded as there is a defined need for them to be with their owners as protected by federal law.

I'm playing devil's advocate to some extent here, so bear with me....I read a lot about the humanization of pets that has happened over the last few years, and the rise of GenZ/Millennial pet ownership. It's a big part of my job. Norm are changing in a lot of areas, so why not for pets too in this case? People view pets as part of their family. They provide companionship, comfort, and are more and more frequently are either replacing kids, or serving to delay kids.

In the grocery story example, how is a dog different than a child in this case? You can buy dog food in the grocery store, and you buy people food there as well. You bring your child along because somebody needs to keep an eye on them, and you probably bring your dog along for similar reasons. Neither actually need to be there, and both have issues with germs and contamination.

Again, I recognize that in today's norms, a dog and a child are not viewed as equals, but again, we're moving towards more and more humanization of pets in modern society - why is a dog different in this case? The old argument was around hygiene and germs, and I think a lot of what we now know about how dirty animals are vs. humans on a microbe level dispels the fact that we're somehow so much cleaner than animals.

Correct, another reason we should stop things like eating in restaurants with us. We need to stop this trend.

 

[KarmaPolice]

The way the vote is worded, sure - the business should be able to choose to have that option for guests.

Personal preference is a hard no. I wouldn't willingly go to such a place, and would be annoyed if i found myself at one.

If there is a dog just laying on the ground under a table nowhere near you why would you be annoyed? It has no impact on your visit.

Probably because I am the type of person who is annoyed easily.

 

[Mister CIA]

Is consideration dead?

 

[Scoresman]

I understand that not all dogs are good and bad dog owners are responsible for ruining it for the rest of us by bringing their misbehaved dogs, which I agree at this point do not belong inside a restaurant in general.

But some people are suggesting that the mere presence of a dog in a room automatically makes that room unhygienic, which is ridiculous to me.

Maybe not automatically, but would you say it increases the risk of an being unhygienic?

FWIW, that doesn't enter my equation, more just curious. I just don't like dogs and would prefer not to be around them in general, let alone when enjoying a rare meal or beverage out.

Not really. If it’s sitting on the ground under the table, there should be no problem.

Again, I realize you can’t guarantee every dog will behave like this and you can’t guarantee that the dog owners won’t do stupid stuff like letting them up on a seat. That’s why we can’t have nice things.

Floors in general are filthy. A dog isn’t changing that much.

 

[IrishTwinkie]

Is consideration dead?

Yes.

 

[KarmaPolice]

I understand that not all dogs are good and bad dog owners are responsible for ruining it for the rest of us by bringing their misbehaved dogs, which I agree at this point do not belong inside a restaurant in general.

But some people are suggesting that the mere presence of a dog in a room automatically makes that room unhygienic, which is ridiculous to me.

Maybe not automatically, but would you say it increases the risk of an being unhygienic?

FWIW, that doesn't enter my equation, more just curious. I just don't like dogs and would prefer not to be around them in general, let alone when enjoying a rare meal or beverage out.

Not really. If it’s sitting on the ground under the table, there should be no problem.

Again, I realize you can’t guarantee every dog will behave like this and you can’t guarantee that the dog owners won’t do stupid stuff like letting them up on a seat. That’s why we can’t have nice things.

Floors in general are filthy. A dog isn’t changing that much.

Very fair. Limited experience, but the bolded is more what I imagine with how I see people and their pets. Too many people already push boundaries with their pets, and I don't see it ending well. I wonder how the insurance would be affected in a setting like that - a bar that allowed dogs inside. I don't think it automatically makes it more hygienic, but I think it would increase the risk a bit (more because of the owner aspect of it).

But take my opinion with a grain of salt. I get annoyed with dogs inside the pet store with their owners. I just don't get it at all, and I have a dog.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

I’ve been in restaurants all my life. I work on the sand in Laguna. With a huge patio and a large indoor space. Dogs are allowed on the patio. They are not allowed inside.

every single day we have to tell people you can’t bring your dog inside. We are being kind to dog owners since we live in a dog friendly environment, the beach. We could easily say no dogs. But we allow them to be outside on the patio. the dog owners push the boundaries at all times. They want food for their dogs. NO! They want water for their dogs. I guess inevitably someone, usually dogs, knock the water over. The dogs piss, especially the rat dogs, on the patio. The jack holes that think it’s cool how well trained their non leashed dogs are. They aren’t. all dogs must be tethered at all times.

Why are you bringing your dog to a restaurant in dire need of water? As a non dog owner, can they go 3+ hours without water, is there really a dire need for water? I have my doubts. Keep your giant f’ing dog that’s now lying down, out of walkways. The entitlement is unreal. You expect my servers and guests to step over your precious 80# family member?

Rant over. For now.

Our concern as a restaurant is trying to find a balance between being a beach restaurant and an incredibly expensive restaurant. Sometimes the two don’t mix and the dogs exacerbate that. We’re not worried about the health ramifications. Piss be damned. I’m much more concerned about @Willie Neslon being happy with his $85 wagyu steak from snake river farms, rather than being pissed off some vapid socialite has her maltipoo pissing on the patio.

 

[Scoresman]

I’ve been in restaurants all my life. I work on the sand in Laguna. With a huge patio and a large indoor space. Dogs are allowed on the patio. They are not allowed inside.

every single day we have to tell people you can’t bring your dog inside. We are being kind to dog owners since we live in a dog friendly environment, the beach. We could easily say no dogs. But we allow them to be outside on the patio. the dog owners push the boundaries at all times. They want food for their dogs. NO! They want water for their dogs. I guess inevitably someone, usually dogs, knock the water over. The dogs piss, especially the rat dogs, on the patio. The jack holes that think it’s cool how well trained their non leashed dogs are. They aren’t. all dogs must be tethered at all times.

Why are you bringing your dog to a restaurant in dire need of water? As a non dog owner, can they go 3+ hours without water, is there really a dire need for water? I have my doubts. Keep your giant f’ing dog that’s now lying down, out of walkways. The entitlement is unreal. You expect my servers and guests to step over your precious 80# family member?

Rant over. For now.

Our concern as a restaurant is trying to find a balance between being a beach restaurant and an incredibly expensive restaurant. Sometimes the two don’t mix and the dogs exacerbate that. We’re not worried about the health ramifications. Piss be damned. I’m much more concerned about @Willie Neslon being happy with his $85 wagyu steak from snake river farms, rather than being pissed off some vapid socialite has her maltipoo pissing on the patio.

He’s not going to be happy with his wagyu steak with all the dog poo molecules making their way from the floor to the table.

 

[Mitchie]

I’ve been in restaurants all my life. I work on the sand in Laguna. With a huge patio and a large indoor space. Dogs are allowed on the patio. They are not allowed inside.

every single day we have to tell people you can’t bring your dog inside. We are being kind to dog owners since we live in a dog friendly environment, the beach. We could easily say no dogs. But we allow them to be outside on the patio. the dog owners push the boundaries at all times. They want food for their dogs. NO! They want water for their dogs. I guess inevitably someone, usually dogs, knock the water over. The dogs piss, especially the rat dogs, on the patio. The jack holes that think it’s cool how well trained their non leashed dogs are. They aren’t. all dogs must be tethered at all times.

Why are you bringing your dog to a restaurant in dire need of water? As a non dog owner, can they go 3+ hours without water, is there really a dire need for water? I have my doubts. Keep your giant f’ing dog that’s now lying down, out of walkways. The entitlement is unreal. You expect my servers and guests to step over your precious 80# family member?

Rant over. For now.

Our concern as a restaurant is trying to find a balance between being a beach restaurant and an incredibly expensive restaurant. Sometimes the two don’t mix and the dogs exacerbate that. We’re not worried about the health ramifications. Piss be damned. I’m much more concerned about @Willie Neslon being happy with his $85 wagyu steak from snake river farms, rather than being pissed off some vapid socialite has her maltipoo pissing on the patio.

I dunno man don't disagree on some points but you seem a bit uptight, doesn't seem like a big deal to get dogs some water, they get thirsty too.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

I’ve been in restaurants all my life. I work on the sand in Laguna. With a huge patio and a large indoor space. Dogs are allowed on the patio. They are not allowed inside.

every single day we have to tell people you can’t bring your dog inside. We are being kind to dog owners since we live in a dog friendly environment, the beach. We could easily say no dogs. But we allow them to be outside on the patio. the dog owners push the boundaries at all times. They want food for their dogs. NO! They want water for their dogs. I guess inevitably someone, usually dogs, knock the water over. The dogs piss, especially the rat dogs, on the patio. The jack holes that think it’s cool how well trained their non leashed dogs are. They aren’t. all dogs must be tethered at all times.

Why are you bringing your dog to a restaurant in dire need of water? As a non dog owner, can they go 3+ hours without water, is there really a dire need for water? I have my doubts. Keep your giant f’ing dog that’s now lying down, out of walkways. The entitlement is unreal. You expect my servers and guests to step over your precious 80# family member?

Rant over. For now.

Our concern as a restaurant is trying to find a balance between being a beach restaurant and an incredibly expensive restaurant. Sometimes the two don’t mix and the dogs exacerbate that. We’re not worried about the health ramifications. Piss be damned. I’m much more concerned about @Willie Neslon being happy with his $85 wagyu steak from snake river farms, rather than being pissed off some vapid socialite has her maltipoo pissing on the patio.

I dunno man don't disagree on some points but you seem a bit uptight, doesn't seem like a big deal to get dogs some water, they get thirsty too.

It’s not the dogs. It’s the owners

 

[parasaurolophus]

The way the vote is worded, sure - the business should be able to choose to have that option for guests.

Personal preference is a hard no. I wouldn't willingly go to such a place, and would be annoyed if i found myself at one.

If there is a dog just laying on the ground under a table nowhere near you why would you be annoyed? It has no impact on your visit.

Because you are describing 1% of all dogs. The other 99% don't stay calmly under the table 100% of the time.

Everybody thinks they are super attentive and know exactly what their dogs are doing at all times. But of course most people aren't very aware of their surroundings and dont realize how annoying their dogs actually are.

Everybody thinks their dog cant possibly bite. Their dog is dog friendly. Their dog never puts his paws on things. Their dog isnt a pooeater. Their dog doesnt need to be on a leash.

I realize fbg dog owners probably have paid thousands of dollars in training and routinely put their dog next to other fbg dogs and have trained them not to react when a tomahawk steak is thrown on the ground in between them, but again, I am talking about the other peons in this world.

 

[the moops]

Because you are describing 1% of all dogs. The other 99% don't stay calmly under the table 100% of the time.

I have a spazzy dog. I leave her at home. I find the above to be the complete opposite of what I witness. 99% the dog is just chilling. The 1% are the annoying dogs.

 

[Scoresman]

Yeah those percentages are waaaay off.

 

[General Malaise]

Yeah those percentages are waaaay off.

Of course they are.

 

[Instinctive]

The way the vote is worded, sure - the business should be able to choose to have that option for guests.

Personal preference is a hard no. I wouldn't willingly go to such a place, and would be annoyed if i found myself at one.

If there is a dog just laying on the ground under a table nowhere near you why would you be annoyed? It has no impact on your visit.

Because you are describing 1% of all dogs. The other 99% don't stay calmly under the table 100% of the time.

Everybody thinks they are super attentive and know exactly what their dogs are doing at all times. But of course most people aren't very aware of their surroundings and dont realize how annoying their dogs actually are.

Everybody thinks their dog cant possibly bite. Their dog is dog friendly. Their dog never puts his paws on things. Their dog isnt a pooeater. Their dog doesnt need to be on a leash.

I realize fbg dog owners probably have paid thousands of dollars in training and routinely put their dog next to other fbg dogs and have trained them not to react when a tomahawk steak is thrown on the ground in between them, but again, I am talking about the other peons in this world.

Laugh reaction!!!

 

[belljr]

15 years and my dog has managed not to bite anyone. 1% for life

 

[Scoresman]

I continue to assert that you can take any argument made here, do a keyword replace dog with kid and it would be just as valid an argument.

 

[Instinctive]

I continue to assert that you can take any argument made here, do a keyword replace dog with kid and it would be just as valid an argument.

As someone who has had a dog and has a kid, this is funny but ridiculous.

There are definitely times they feel similar. Interactions in public are NOT one of them.

Saying "come here!" And shaking keys on a chain to get him to crawl across the room? Extremely similar.

Putting him in my cart at the grocery store because he's a person who could LITERALLY ****ING DIE if left alone in my yard or house for 2+ hours is one of the best ones he is not remotely similar to to a dog.

 

[Scoresman]

I continue to assert that you can take any argument made here, do a keyword replace dog with kid and it would be just as valid an argument.

As someone who has had a dog and has a kid, this is funny but ridiculous.

There are definitely times they feel similar. Interactions in public are NOT one of them.

Saying "come here!" And shaking keys on a chain to get him to crawl across the room? Extremely similar.

Putting him in my cart at the grocery store because he's a person who could LITERALLY ****ING DIE if left alone in my yard or house for 2+ hours is one of the best ones he is not remotely similar to to a dog.

Can’t you put the kid in a crate?

 

[KarmaPolice]

I continue to assert that you can take any argument made here, do a keyword replace dog with kid and it would be just as valid an argument.

You arent wrong. I have kids, and i hate it when peoole have their kids in inappropriate places and/or can't control them as well. It is annoying.

Too often parents don't want to act like parents and they think they can still do all the things they did pre-kid. Too often dog owners think their dogs are a human part of the family and should be around more than they should be.

 

[KarmaPolice]

I continue to assert that you can take any argument made here, do a keyword replace dog with kid and it would be just as valid an argument.

As someone who has had a dog and has a kid, this is funny but ridiculous.

There are definitely times they feel similar. Interactions in public are NOT one of them.

Saying "come here!" And shaking keys on a chain to get him to crawl across the room? Extremely similar.

Putting him in my cart at the grocery store because he's a person who could LITERALLY ****ING DIE if left alone in my yard or house for 2+ hours is one of the best ones he is not remotely similar to to a dog.

Can’t you put the kid in a crate?

I wish!