Dogs Indoors At Breweries - Yes or No? (1 Viewer)

[Todem]

We have taken long road trips with our dog - a mixture of tent camping and hotel/vrbo stays. So if we dine out on nights we can't cook out, he comes with. There's a website devoted to helping you find dog friendly restaurants called "BringFido.com" and Google will even help you find spots that are dog friendly.

Point is - it's not hard as a responsible dog owner to find the restaurants and brewpubs that allow dogs.

It's also not hard to avoid these places if you're so bothered by the presence of dogs.

Would I allow it? Assuming insurance coverage isn't impacted, I would. I would want my guests - all of my guests - to feel welcome and wanted. Maybe a family is traveling with their dog and doesn't want to leave them in a car? Welcome in, friends.

Bottom line for me - I want to associate and cater to people who love their dogs like they're family. How you treat your pet tells me a lot about you the person.

My dog is like my kid. But we don’t have to take then to restaurants and supermarkets. They are well adjusted to stay home and wait for us and we revel in their joy of us returning.

Now in terms of places that are dog friendly….I have no issues with that. Most have a patio/outdoor area.

My issue is supermarkets, inside restaurants and other places that should be off limits.

I said nothing about a supermarket here.

I provided a very specific example - extended road trips with our dog. If we stop for lunch I'm not leaving our dog in the car. Period.

He's been left in hotel rooms or VRBOs a time or two, but on road trips with the fam, I find dog friendly places that want our business. And, he usually just lays down under the table and comes out to flirt with the servers.

I totally get that if you are taking him on a trip. Agree.

 

[The General]

Rather have dogs than young kids

Don’t really care.

 

[Terminalxylem]

I will not visit homes where the owners have dogs and especially if I know or see them on the furniture throughout rubbing their rotten tushes all over everything, that's disgusting
Cats on the other hand are completely different, I love most cats and they don't require as much upkeep
You can leave a cat alone for a couple days with food and water, they're fine, can't really do that with a dog.

See, this doesnt compute. Cats are actually ridden with bacteria. Their mouths are very dirty and dont forget that to do their business they have to walk all over used cat litter. Think about that the next time a cat jumps on your lap. Also, the problem with cats is that they tend to jump up onto kitchen tables and counters where food is prepared. Cant say that about dogs.

Cats, dogs, and humans are all chock full of bacteria. All of them have filthy mouths.

Fun fact: There are more bacteria coexisting on/within our bodies than cells. We’re more them than us.

 

[Terminalxylem]

I think it would be an auto no since it seems like it might break some health code or something

Guess I've been breaking health codes all my life having my dog near me when eating at home.

You're not breaking any health codes. The health department does not have jurisdiction over food preparation in a private residence unless the food is being prepared for commercial purposes or to be sold to the public.

I know this. My point is why they exist all. what is the problem if I can eat healthily around my dog at home vs. a restaurant? And if it's a hygiene issue, why are service dogs allowed? Are they somehow cleaner?

What about toddlers who are germ factories yelling and screaming and throwing their half eaten slobbery, germ-ridden food all over the place? Where's the health department for this situation?

Yes, service dogs are expected to be cleaner because they are trained to follow specific hygiene standards and to behave appropriately in public settings.

As for the comparison between kids and dogs, dogs can carry specific pathogens that are more easily transmitted, which is why health departments focus on the risks associated with animals.

Not really. In general, human-to-human transmission of infection is more efficient.

Human bites are more likely to get infected than dog bites.

I’m excluding rabies from consideration, but I definitely wouldn’t want dogs in developing world breweries.

 

[Godsbrother]

No. Dogs are unpredictable, especially when they’re with strangers and near other dogs.

 

[bigbottom]

Not brewery focused but this is what I posted previously on the subject:

I love dogs. And I have a dog. But I am generally anti when it comes to dogs invited into indoor dining areas for the following reasons:

1) I don’t have a high comfort level that the dogs in the restaurant are all well behaved.

2) I don’t know whether or not the dogs in the restaurant have had their shots.

3) I don’t know whether or not the dogs in the restaurant have fleas. If 20-30 dogs are in and out of that place each day, chances are one of them has fleas.

4) A couple of my family members are allergic to dogs and dog hair (cats and cat hair are even worse).

As a dog owner (hypoallergenic dog), I would never take my dog to an indoor restaurant, in part because of reasons 1, 2 and 3 above, but mostly because my dog is a total spaz around strangers. No blinders for me when it comes to my dog.

 

[The Z Machine]

I don't own a dog, but I have no issues with them in public spaces of the brewery and not within 30' of any brewery equipment used to make or bottle beer. Same with children.

Also any patrons whose dog or child is disturbing other customers or the workers should be asked to leave immediately.

 

[Judge Smails]

Unless it’s Lazy Dog cafe leave your dog at home. They’ll survive. I’m definitely against any dog in doors. Enough abusing the emotional support animal angles. In outside areas I’m less adamant but all it takes is one aggressive dog or bad owner and it’s ruined for everyone. I’m a dog lover btw. Just not all dogs are like my labs. And some owners are pretty clueless

 

[bcat01]

We have taken long road trips with our dog - a mixture of tent camping and hotel/vrbo stays. So if we dine out on nights we can't cook out, he comes with. There's a website devoted to helping you find dog friendly restaurants called "BringFido.com" and Google will even help you find spots that are dog friendly.

Point is - it's not hard as a responsible dog owner to find the restaurants and brewpubs that allow dogs.

It's also not hard to avoid these places if you're so bothered by the presence of dogs.

Would I allow it? Assuming insurance coverage isn't impacted, I would. I would want my guests - all of my guests - to feel welcome and wanted. Maybe a family is traveling with their dog and doesn't want to leave them in a car? Welcome in, friends.

Bottom line for me - I want to associate and cater to people who love their dogs like they're family. How you treat your pet tells me a lot about you the person.

We do the same thing. We have taken trips to the Finger Lakes, Asheville and Gatlinburg. We use BringFido to find wineries, breweries that allow dogs and restaurant's that have pet friendly patios.

 

[Drunken knight]

yeah- we take our dog on local trips (4 hrs or less). many pet friendly restaurants, breweries, wineries, galleries, etc. i would not even consider bringing her inside unless it was raining (likely keep her at the hotel or vrbo).

edit: most people do not know she is even there. she curls up under the table or chair.

 

[Gally]

most people do not know she is even there. she curls up under the table or chair.

If this is the case wouldn't be nicer/better for the dog to be left at home to be able to roam around the yard and do things rather than just sit under a table doing nothing?

 

[Drunken knight]

most people do not know she is even there. she curls up under the table or chair.

If this is the case wouldn't be nicer/better for the dog to be left at home to be able to roam around the yard and do things rather than just sit under a table doing nothing?

sometimes. she likes being around us and we like taking her out. typically lunch. we do not often take her out for dinners.

 

[The Gator]

most people do not know she is even there. she curls up under the table or chair.

If this is the case wouldn't be nicer/better for the dog to be left at home to be able to roam around the yard and do things rather than just sit under a table doing nothing?

Are you a dog person? They get separation anxiety and would rather be with their owner sitting under a table.

My dog would rather be kept in a cardboard box as long as it was next to me If he stays home, he'll sit under the front window and stay there watching until i pull in.

eta: not saying it's an excuse to take them everywhere, but many of them rather be next to their owners than stuck home

 

[Gally]

most people do not know she is even there. she curls up under the table or chair.

If this is the case wouldn't be nicer/better for the dog to be left at home to be able to roam around the yard and do things rather than just sit under a table doing nothing?

Are you a dog person? They get separation anxiety and would rather be with their owner sitting under a table.

My dog would rather be kept in a cardboard box as long as it was next to me If he stays home, he'll sit under the front window and stay there watching until i pull in.

eta: not saying it's an excuse to take them everywhere, but many of them rather be next to their owners than stuck home

I have had dogs. I like dogs but I don't think they should be taken everywhere. I think there are places appropriate for pets but restaurants aren't one of those places.

 

[the moops]

most people do not know she is even there. she curls up under the table or chair.

If this is the case wouldn't be nicer/better for the dog to be left at home to be able to roam around the yard and do things rather than just sit under a table doing nothing?

Are you a dog person? They get separation anxiety and would rather be with their owner sitting under a table.

My dog would rather be kept in a cardboard box as long as it was next to me If he stays home, he'll sit under the front window and stay there watching until i pull in.

eta: not saying it's an excuse to take them everywhere, but many of them rather be next to their owners than stuck home

I have had dogs. I like dogs but I don't think they should be taken everywhere. I think there are places appropriate for pets but restaurants aren't one of those places.

If the restaurant allows it then it is appropriate enough

 

[Dr. Octopus]

most people do not know she is even there. she curls up under the table or chair.

If this is the case wouldn't be nicer/better for the dog to be left at home to be able to roam around the yard and do things rather than just sit under a table doing nothing?

Dogs spend like 80% of their day sleeping.

 

[General Malaise]

We have taken long road trips with our dog - a mixture of tent camping and hotel/vrbo stays. So if we dine out on nights we can't cook out, he comes with. There's a website devoted to helping you find dog friendly restaurants called "BringFido.com" and Google will even help you find spots that are dog friendly.

Point is - it's not hard as a responsible dog owner to find the restaurants and brewpubs that allow dogs.

It's also not hard to avoid these places if you're so bothered by the presence of dogs.

Would I allow it? Assuming insurance coverage isn't impacted, I would. I would want my guests - all of my guests - to feel welcome and wanted. Maybe a family is traveling with their dog and doesn't want to leave them in a car? Welcome in, friends.

Bottom line for me - I want to associate and cater to people who love their dogs like they're family. How you treat your pet tells me a lot about you the person.

We do the same thing. We have taken trips to the Finger Lakes, Asheville and Gatlinburg. We use BringFido to find wineries, breweries that allow dogs and restaurant's that have pet friendly patios.

Love BringFido. And Google does a great job finding the dog friendly spots too - all it takes is a few minutes of preparation to locate a spot that welcomes your dog and since most of our road trips are taken in the summer, sitting outside is ideal for us.

Also, I think areas of the country that are more.....'outdoorsy' (like Asheville, Finger Lakes, the ENTIRE West Coast) are certainly more receptive and accepting of dogs in general. My in-laws live outside of Detroit and find it crazy how many dogs they see at Oregon restaurants or places of business. Could also be that we're a bunch of hippy-dippy, soft-hearted dog lovers out here but I think geography and the desire of folks to be outdoors when it's nice factors heavily.

 

[Gally]

Could also be that we're a bunch of hippy-dippy, soft-hearted dog lovers out here

I would go with this....hahahahaha

But I agree, the weather is a big factor in bringing animals along with you to your everyday activiites.

 

[parasaurolophus]

Dogs that shed are disgusting around food.

Dogs that dont shed are often even more disgusting because they need to be cleaned more often and most people are lazy. The amount of feces that is stuck to their butts varies, but it is always present at some level on a dog that doesn't shed.

Spare me the "omg you should see how many people dont wash their hands" arguments because a disgusting slob that doesnt wash his hands isnt minimized by the presence of a dog and we obviously arent banning humans.

That is nothing more than a diversion.

 

[Zow]

Could also be that we're a bunch of hippy-dippy, soft-hearted dog lovers out here

I would go with this....hahahahaha

But I agree, the weather is a big factor in bringing animals along with you to your everyday activiites.

As someone who isn't a dog lover, I'd definitely agree. If you've got Fido chilling by the railing on a restaurant's/brewery's patio generally out of side and out of mind from others, that's way more tolerable than if somebody brought Fido into the actual restaurant where Fido is way more noticeable and much more likely to cause an issue. Obviously the former isn't going to happen in the winter in a place like NYC or Minneapolis or some such.

So, yeah, geography and the specific establishment's setup likely plays a huge factor as to how big of an issue it is that a human patron brings a dog someplace.

 

[nirad3]

most people do not know she is even there. she curls up under the table or chair.

If this is the case wouldn't be nicer/better for the dog to be left at home to be able to roam around the yard and do things rather than just sit under a table doing nothing?

Are you a dog person? They get separation anxiety and would rather be with their owner sitting under a table.

My dog would rather be kept in a cardboard box as long as it was next to me If he stays home, he'll sit under the front window and stay there watching until i pull in.

eta: not saying it's an excuse to take them everywhere, but many of them rather be next to their owners than stuck home

I have had dogs. I like dogs but I don't think they should be taken everywhere. I think there are places appropriate for pets but restaurants aren't one of those places.

This is where I'm at. Outdoor at a brewery? Sure... especially if there's plenty of room for them to just lounge around and not have to step over them when going to the can or to get another beer. But indoors? Nah. Dogs at grocery stores is just dumb. Don't get that at all.

 

[Fat Nick]

Voted yes. More dog love is job security for me.

Also - when in London last month, I was surprised at how many times I saw a dog in an indoor restaurant. Several pubs had dogs just chilling under tables for hours on end. I will say said dogs were absurdly well trained. I imagine this is another thing that works better in more reasonable societies than it does here where some Karen will get upset that she can't come in with her Pitbull that has major aggression issues due to lack of training.

 

[nirad3]

Voted yes. More dog love is job security for me.

Also - when in London last month, I was surprised at how many times I saw a dog in an indoor restaurant. Several pubs had dogs just chilling under tables for hours on end. I will say said dogs were absurdly well trained. I imagine this is another thing that works better in more reasonable societies than it does here where some Karen will get upset that she can't come in with her Pitbull that has major aggression issues due to lack of training.

One of my favorite dive bars will allow a certain dog to come in and chill. There's a hairstylist that has her shop next door and brings her dog in. It's well-behaved and just sits by her for a little bit and then she brings her back to her shop to sleep. It's a dive with the only food being bags of chips or whatever so even though it's indoors it doesn't seem unsanitary. Where it crosses the line for me is at a normal sit-down restaurant.

 

[BrutalPenguin]

I appears that, at least in CO, dogs are not allowed inside places that serve food:

In 2019, the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment issued a statewide variance request criteria to allow dogs that are not service animals in an outdoor patio area. If a restaurant follows the below criteria, then they can allow dogs on outdoor patios:
1. First, you must request approval for allowing dogs on your patio and it must be granted by the local regulatory authority.
2. The dog-friendly area must be maintained - clean and free of animal waste.
3. Dog waste clean-up bags must be available to customers at all times when the outdoor seating area is open for use.
4. Receptacles for the disposal of animal waste must be available when the outdoor seating area is open. The receptacles must be emptied at least daily and must be kept in a clean and sanitary condition.
5. The dog-friendly outdoor seating area must be accessible from the outdoors. Non-service dogs are not allowed inside the restaurant.
6. Staff are not allowed to pet, hold, or feed dogs. Employees that have incidental contact with dogs or dog bowls must wash their hands.
7. If provided, dog water bowls must be filled, cleaned, and stored in a manner that prevents contamination of food, food equipment, and single-service articles.
8. The following requirements must be communicated to customer using signs, printed brochures, advisories, or other effective written means:
a. Your dog must be well-behaved and on a leash at all times.
b. Keep your dog close to you, but not on tables or chairs.
c. Do not let your dog eat or drink out of the restaurant’s glassware or dishware.
d. Clean up after your dog with the provided cleaning supplies.

https://corestaurant.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/Dogs-on-Patios-ADA.pdf

 

[Willie Neslon]

I was in the Whole Foods yesterday and there was a woman who had two cocker spaniels with her. She was roaming around the produce section, petting one of the dogs ears and then with the same hand handling about 5 heads of broccoli until she found the one she liked. The other dog was plopped down in front of the celery as it was getting misted, scratching it's neck with it's hind leg. I almost said something but instead just walked away in disgust.

 

[Fat Nick]

Voted yes. More dog love is job security for me.

Also - when in London last month, I was surprised at how many times I saw a dog in an indoor restaurant. Several pubs had dogs just chilling under tables for hours on end. I will say said dogs were absurdly well trained. I imagine this is another thing that works better in more reasonable societies than it does here where some Karen will get upset that she can't come in with her Pitbull that has major aggression issues due to lack of training.

One of my favorite dive bars will allow a certain dog to come in and chill. There's a hairstylist that has her shop next door and brings her dog in. It's well-behaved and just sits by her for a little bit and then she brings her back to her shop to sleep. It's a dive with the only food being bags of chips or whatever so even though it's indoors it doesn't seem unsanitary. Where it crosses the line for me is at a normal sit-down restaurant.

It honestly is interesting to me that in this day and age we still view dogs as unsanitary enough to not go into restaurants. I'm pretty sure I'd rather lick my dog than lick my shoes, or a random toddler's hands, or probably several items I'd find in the kitchen of most restaurants.

 

[Fat Nick]

I was in the Whole Foods yesterday and there was a woman who had two cocker spaniels with her. She was roaming around the produce section, petting one of the dogs ears and then with the same hand handling about 5 heads of broccoli until she found the one she liked. The other dog was plopped down in front of the celery as it was getting misted, scratching it's neck with it's hind leg. I almost said something but instead just walked away in disgust.

How is this any different than a guy who was scratching his *** in his car before he came in to get produce? Honest question. I get that neither are what you want with regards to food, but isolating the dog is really ignoring how filthy humans are - and also highlighting why you should wash your produce before eating anyway.

 

[Gally]

How is this any different than a guy who was scratching his *** in his car before he came in to get produce? Honest question.

The difference is you don't know about the guy doing it in his car so it's not real. The dogs are right in front of you and see it happening. It's different (even if it's the same).

 

[Zow]

How is this any different than a guy who was scratching his *** in his car before he came in to get produce? Honest question.

The difference is you don't know about the guy doing it in his car so it's not real. The dogs are right in front of you and see it happening. It's different (even if it's the same).

And, arguably humans need to be in grocery stores because they're our most common food outlet which we obviously need.

In contrast, there is no objective need for a dog* to be in a grocery store. So, while we really can't prevent *** scratcher from going in, we can easily prevent dogs from being in there.

*As always, service dogs excluded as there is a defined need for them to be with their owners as protected by federal law.

 

[Fat Nick]

How is this any different than a guy who was scratching his *** in his car before he came in to get produce? Honest question.

The difference is you don't know about the guy doing it in his car so it's not real. The dogs are right in front of you and see it happening. It's different (even if it's the same).

And, arguably humans need to be in grocery stores because they're our most common food outlet which we obviously need.

In contrast, there is no objective need for a dog* to be in a grocery store. So, while we really can't prevent *** scratcher from going in, we can easily prevent dogs from being in there.

*As always, service dogs excluded as there is a defined need for them to be with their owners as protected by federal law.

I'm playing devil's advocate to some extent here, so bear with me....I read a lot about the humanization of pets that has happened over the last few years, and the rise of GenZ/Millennial pet ownership. It's a big part of my job. Norm are changing in a lot of areas, so why not for pets too in this case? People view pets as part of their family. They provide companionship, comfort, and are more and more frequently are either replacing kids, or serving to delay kids.

In the grocery story example, how is a dog different than a child in this case? You can buy dog food in the grocery store, and you buy people food there as well. You bring your child along because somebody needs to keep an eye on them, and you probably bring your dog along for similar reasons. Neither actually need to be there, and both have issues with germs and contamination.

Again, I recognize that in today's norms, a dog and a child are not viewed as equals, but again, we're moving towards more and more humanization of pets in modern society - why is a dog different in this case? The old argument was around hygiene and germs, and I think a lot of what we now know about how dirty animals are vs. humans on a microbe level dispels the fact that we're somehow so much cleaner than animals.

 

[Mitchie]

I was in the Whole Foods yesterday and there was a woman who had two cocker spaniels with her. She was roaming around the produce section, petting one of the dogs ears and then with the same hand handling about 5 heads of broccoli until she found the one she liked. The other dog was plopped down in front of the celery as it was getting misted, scratching it's neck with it's hind leg. I almost said something but instead just walked away in disgust.

True story as this literally just happened, was in Whole Foods a couple days ago, this woman had a hacking cough, violently and repeatedly coughs into her hand then starts fondling different fruits to select the ones she wanted.

Bottom line wash your fruits and vegetables no matter what.

 

[Gally]

Neither actually need to be there, and both have issues with germs and contamination.

There are laws in place that lead to the kids needing to be there if there is no adult available to stay home with the kid. There is no such law for pets.

While many people treat pets like they are human the fact is they are not. While many pet owners will say their pet is well behaved if they end up not being they are less likely to be controlled and could be a danger to others. Kids can do the same but in general, I think most would agree that a toddler (someone not able to be left home alone) is less dangerous to others than a dog.

While many people want to think pets are people too the fact is they are not.

 

[Zow]

How is this any different than a guy who was scratching his *** in his car before he came in to get produce? Honest question.

The difference is you don't know about the guy doing it in his car so it's not real. The dogs are right in front of you and see it happening. It's different (even if it's the same).

And, arguably humans need to be in grocery stores because they're our most common food outlet which we obviously need.

In contrast, there is no objective need for a dog* to be in a grocery store. So, while we really can't prevent *** scratcher from going in, we can easily prevent dogs from being in there.

*As always, service dogs excluded as there is a defined need for them to be with their owners as protected by federal law.

I'm playing devil's advocate to some extent here, so bear with me....I read a lot about the humanization of pets that has happened over the last few years, and the rise of GenZ/Millennial pet ownership. It's a big part of my job. Norm are changing in a lot of areas, so why not for pets too in this case? People view pets as part of their family. They provide companionship, comfort, and are more and more frequently are either replacing kids, or serving to delay kids.

In the grocery story example, how is a dog different than a child in this case? You can buy dog food in the grocery store, and you buy people food there as well. You bring your child along because somebody needs to keep an eye on them, and you probably bring your dog along for similar reasons. Neither actually need to be there, and both have issues with germs and contamination.

Again, I recognize that in today's norms, a dog and a child are not viewed as equals, but again, we're moving towards more and more humanization of pets in modern society - why is a dog different in this case? The old argument was around hygiene and germs, and I think a lot of what we now know about how dirty animals are vs. humans on a microbe level dispels the fact that we're somehow so much cleaner than animals.

You answer your own question in the next paragraph - dogs aren't actually ****ing humans and, unlike an infant/child/toddler, just don't need to be brought into grocery stores to add their germs to it (whereas a kid does and therefore even assuming arguendo the kid is as gross, the kid's germs are a necessary evil).

 

[Fat Nick]

How is this any different than a guy who was scratching his *** in his car before he came in to get produce? Honest question.

The difference is you don't know about the guy doing it in his car so it's not real. The dogs are right in front of you and see it happening. It's different (even if it's the same).

And, arguably humans need to be in grocery stores because they're our most common food outlet which we obviously need.

In contrast, there is no objective need for a dog* to be in a grocery store. So, while we really can't prevent *** scratcher from going in, we can easily prevent dogs from being in there.

*As always, service dogs excluded as there is a defined need for them to be with their owners as protected by federal law.

I'm playing devil's advocate to some extent here, so bear with me....I read a lot about the humanization of pets that has happened over the last few years, and the rise of GenZ/Millennial pet ownership. It's a big part of my job. Norm are changing in a lot of areas, so why not for pets too in this case? People view pets as part of their family. They provide companionship, comfort, and are more and more frequently are either replacing kids, or serving to delay kids.

In the grocery story example, how is a dog different than a child in this case? You can buy dog food in the grocery store, and you buy people food there as well. You bring your child along because somebody needs to keep an eye on them, and you probably bring your dog along for similar reasons. Neither actually need to be there, and both have issues with germs and contamination.

Again, I recognize that in today's norms, a dog and a child are not viewed as equals, but again, we're moving towards more and more humanization of pets in modern society - why is a dog different in this case? The old argument was around hygiene and germs, and I think a lot of what we now know about how dirty animals are vs. humans on a microbe level dispels the fact that we're somehow so much cleaner than animals.

You answer your own question in the next paragraph - dogs aren't actually ****ing humans and, unlike an infant/child/toddler, just don't need to be brought into grocery stores to add their germs to it (whereas a kid does and therefore even assuming arguendo the kid is as gross, the kid's germs are a necessary evil).

I get that, and acknowledge that, but legally, why is that the case and why can't we move towards a change? Falling on the legal precedent alone is a bit short-sighted.

Why aren't dogs legally allowed in stores/restaurants, and does modern thinking on the reason align with what we knew when those laws were established?

 

[Gally]

Why aren't dogs legally allowed in stores/restaurants, and does modern thinking on the reason align with what we knew when those laws were established?

Personally, I don't think animals should be allowed in stores/restaurants because they are not humans and do not need to be there. They are not buying things or services. They are animals. No matter how badly some people want to think/treat them like humans......... that fact is they are not humans.

Maybe the solution is to have cities, states, countries, etc that deem pets to have the same rights as humans and laws that define pets as humans. People that are in that camp can move to those locations. People that are not in that camp can choose to not live in those areas.

 

[Willie Neslon]

I was in the Whole Foods yesterday and there was a woman who had two cocker spaniels with her. She was roaming around the produce section, petting one of the dogs ears and then with the same hand handling about 5 heads of broccoli until she found the one she liked. The other dog was plopped down in front of the celery as it was getting misted, scratching it's neck with it's hind leg. I almost said something but instead just walked away in disgust.

How is this any different than a guy who was scratching his *** in his car before he came in to get produce? Honest question. I get that neither are what you want with regards to food, but isolating the dog is really ignoring how filthy humans are - and also highlighting why you should wash your produce before eating anyway.

The difference is that dogs carry a range of bacteria and parasites, like E. coli, salmonella, worms etc., that aren’t typically found on humans. Petting your dog and then handling multiple heads of broccoli creates a higher risk of spreading those things, which people wouldn’t expect to encounter on produce. While humans can be gross, their germs are usually something our immune systems are equipped to handle. It's not just about hygiene, it’s introducing risks that don’t belong in an effing grocery store. This is why we have laws not allowing pets in food establishments. Some people, including in this thread, let their emotional attachment to their dog cloud their common sense.

 

[Scoresman]

Dogs that shed are disgusting around food.

Dogs that dont shed are often even more disgusting because they need to be cleaned more often and most people are lazy. The amount of feces that is stuck to their butts varies, but it is always present at some level on a dog that doesn't shed.

Spare me the "omg you should see how many people dont wash their hands" arguments because a disgusting slob that doesnt wash his hands isnt minimized by the presence of a dog and we obviously arent banning humans.

That is nothing more than a diversion.

But the dog is laying down on the floor, under the table. It’s not like the dog is on the table stamping it with its feces butt. Why does any of this matter? Do you have any friends who are dog owners? Do you feel the same going over to their place? Is their food swarming in dog feces?

I get the shedding thing and I get the behavioral complaints. But the argument that a dog that is laying down under the table is somehow contaminating your food is ridiculous. I guarantee you what is already on the floor is just as bad as a dogs butt.

 

[Willie Neslon]

Dogs that shed are disgusting around food.

Dogs that dont shed are often even more disgusting because they need to be cleaned more often and most people are lazy. The amount of feces that is stuck to their butts varies, but it is always present at some level on a dog that doesn't shed.

Spare me the "omg you should see how many people dont wash their hands" arguments because a disgusting slob that doesnt wash his hands isnt minimized by the presence of a dog and we obviously arent banning humans.

That is nothing more than a diversion.

But the dog is laying down on the floor, under the table. It’s not like the dog is on the table stamping it with its feces butt. Why does any of this matter? Do you have any friends who are dog owners? Do you feel the same going over to their place? Is their food swarming in dog feces?

I get the shedding thing and I get the behavioral complaints. But the argument that a dog that is laying down under the table is somehow contaminating your food is ridiculous. I guarantee you what is already on the floor is just as bad as a dogs butt.

Even if the dog is under the table, it still poses a risk to food safety. Dogs carry bacteria and parasites that can transfer to the floor which is then in close proximity to food. Restaurants have health codes for a reason.

 

[the moops]

Dogs that shed are disgusting around food.

Dogs that dont shed are often even more disgusting because they need to be cleaned more often and most people are lazy. The amount of feces that is stuck to their butts varies, but it is always present at some level on a dog that doesn't shed.

Spare me the "omg you should see how many people dont wash their hands" arguments because a disgusting slob that doesnt wash his hands isnt minimized by the presence of a dog and we obviously arent banning humans.

That is nothing more than a diversion.

But the dog is laying down on the floor, under the table. It’s not like the dog is on the table stamping it with its feces butt. Why does any of this matter? Do you have any friends who are dog owners? Do you feel the same going over to their place? Is their food swarming in dog feces?

I get the shedding thing and I get the behavioral complaints. But the argument that a dog that is laying down under the table is somehow contaminating your food is ridiculous. I guarantee you what is already on the floor is just as bad as a dogs butt.

Even if the dog is under the table, it still poses a risk to food safety. Dogs carry bacteria and parasites that can transfer to the floor which is then in close proximity to food. Restaurants have health codes for a reason.

Oh come on.

 

[Willie Neslon]

Dogs that shed are disgusting around food.

Dogs that dont shed are often even more disgusting because they need to be cleaned more often and most people are lazy. The amount of feces that is stuck to their butts varies, but it is always present at some level on a dog that doesn't shed.

Spare me the "omg you should see how many people dont wash their hands" arguments because a disgusting slob that doesnt wash his hands isnt minimized by the presence of a dog and we obviously arent banning humans.

That is nothing more than a diversion.

But the dog is laying down on the floor, under the table. It’s not like the dog is on the table stamping it with its feces butt. Why does any of this matter? Do you have any friends who are dog owners? Do you feel the same going over to their place? Is their food swarming in dog feces?

I get the shedding thing and I get the behavioral complaints. But the argument that a dog that is laying down under the table is somehow contaminating your food is ridiculous. I guarantee you what is already on the floor is just as bad as a dogs butt.

Even if the dog is under the table, it still poses a risk to food safety. Dogs carry bacteria and parasites that can transfer to the floor which is then in close proximity to food. Restaurants have health codes for a reason.

Oh come on.

Believe it or not, it's true. Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

 

[Scoresman]

Dogs that shed are disgusting around food.

Dogs that dont shed are often even more disgusting because they need to be cleaned more often and most people are lazy. The amount of feces that is stuck to their butts varies, but it is always present at some level on a dog that doesn't shed.

Spare me the "omg you should see how many people dont wash their hands" arguments because a disgusting slob that doesnt wash his hands isnt minimized by the presence of a dog and we obviously arent banning humans.

That is nothing more than a diversion.

But the dog is laying down on the floor, under the table. It’s not like the dog is on the table stamping it with its feces butt. Why does any of this matter? Do you have any friends who are dog owners? Do you feel the same going over to their place? Is their food swarming in dog feces?

I get the shedding thing and I get the behavioral complaints. But the argument that a dog that is laying down under the table is somehow contaminating your food is ridiculous. I guarantee you what is already on the floor is just as bad as a dogs butt.

Even if the dog is under the table, it still poses a risk to food safety. Dogs carry bacteria and parasites that can transfer to the floor which is then in close proximity to food. Restaurants have health codes for a reason.

Oh come on.

Believe it or not, it's true. Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

Floors just about anywhere are disgusting and not primarily due to dogs. That’s just ridiculous.

 

[Willie Neslon]

Dogs that shed are disgusting around food.

Dogs that dont shed are often even more disgusting because they need to be cleaned more often and most people are lazy. The amount of feces that is stuck to their butts varies, but it is always present at some level on a dog that doesn't shed.

Spare me the "omg you should see how many people dont wash their hands" arguments because a disgusting slob that doesnt wash his hands isnt minimized by the presence of a dog and we obviously arent banning humans.

That is nothing more than a diversion.

But the dog is laying down on the floor, under the table. It’s not like the dog is on the table stamping it with its feces butt. Why does any of this matter? Do you have any friends who are dog owners? Do you feel the same going over to their place? Is their food swarming in dog feces?

I get the shedding thing and I get the behavioral complaints. But the argument that a dog that is laying down under the table is somehow contaminating your food is ridiculous. I guarantee you what is already on the floor is just as bad as a dogs butt.

Even if the dog is under the table, it still poses a risk to food safety. Dogs carry bacteria and parasites that can transfer to the floor which is then in close proximity to food. Restaurants have health codes for a reason.

Oh come on.

Believe it or not, it's true. Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

Floors just about anywhere are disgusting and not primarily due to dogs. That’s just ridiculous.

Yes, floors are dirty, but for about the fifth time now, dogs introduce bacteria and parasites that aren’t typically found in those spaces.

 

[Zow]

Yeah I think there just needs to be some hard truths* to be had here:

1. Not everybody likes Fido or finds Fido cute.
2. Fido isn't a human and therefore other humans shouldn't be required to tolerate Fido like they do other tiny humans (who, I agree, can be just as gross and annoying).
3. Fido, even under the best circumstances, can pose a health risk. Fido can also be annoying. Fido could also be minding his own business but doesn't like that some toddler stuck a finger in his eye or some other dog aggressive dog challenges him to a fight.
4. Because of the above, while a human should absolutely be permitted to own Fido as his property, reasonable restrictions - such as maybe just leave Fido at home when you go to the grocery store - can be put in place.
5. If Fido is a trained service dog, then the interests to the owner is heightened and an exception should be made for super special Fido.


*Kind of as Paddington defines the term.

 

[General Malaise]

Dogs that shed are disgusting around food.

Dogs that dont shed are often even more disgusting because they need to be cleaned more often and most people are lazy. The amount of feces that is stuck to their butts varies, but it is always present at some level on a dog that doesn't shed.

Spare me the "omg you should see how many people dont wash their hands" arguments because a disgusting slob that doesnt wash his hands isnt minimized by the presence of a dog and we obviously arent banning humans.

That is nothing more than a diversion.

Do you throw this sort of temper tantrum when invited for dinner at a dog-owner's home?

 

[Zow]

Dogs that shed are disgusting around food.

Dogs that dont shed are often even more disgusting because they need to be cleaned more often and most people are lazy. The amount of feces that is stuck to their butts varies, but it is always present at some level on a dog that doesn't shed.

Spare me the "omg you should see how many people dont wash their hands" arguments because a disgusting slob that doesnt wash his hands isnt minimized by the presence of a dog and we obviously arent banning humans.

That is nothing more than a diversion.

Do you throw this sort of temper tantrum when invited for dinner at a dog-owner's home?

If I invite you to my home, are you going to bring your dog regardless of whether that was expressly welcomed?

 

[General Malaise]

Yeah I think there just needs to be some hard truths* to be had here:

1. Not everybody likes Fido or finds Fido cute.
2. Fido isn't a human and therefore other humans shouldn't be required to tolerate Fido like they do other tiny humans (who, I agree, can be just as gross and annoying).
3. Fido, even under the best circumstances, can pose a health risk. Fido can also be annoying. Fido could also be minding his own business but doesn't like that some toddler stuck a finger in his eye or some other dog aggressive dog challenges him to a fight.
4. Because of the above, while a human should absolutely be permitted to own Fido as his property, reasonable restrictions - such as maybe just leave Fido at home when you go to the grocery store - can be put in place.
5. If Fido is a trained service dog, then the interests to the owner is heightened and an exception should be made for super special Fido.


*Kind of as Paddington defines the term.

If a restaurant permits dogs why do you care? Just don't go there. This isn't high level complex math here, folks.

 

[General Malaise]

Dogs that shed are disgusting around food.

Dogs that dont shed are often even more disgusting because they need to be cleaned more often and most people are lazy. The amount of feces that is stuck to their butts varies, but it is always present at some level on a dog that doesn't shed.

Spare me the "omg you should see how many people dont wash their hands" arguments because a disgusting slob that doesnt wash his hands isnt minimized by the presence of a dog and we obviously arent banning humans.

That is nothing more than a diversion.

Do you throw this sort of temper tantrum when invited for dinner at a dog-owner's home?

If I invite you to my home, are you going to bring your dog regardless of whether that was expressly welcomed?

That certainly wasn't the question I asked now was it?

 

[Zow]

Yeah I think there just needs to be some hard truths* to be had here:

1. Not everybody likes Fido or finds Fido cute.
2. Fido isn't a human and therefore other humans shouldn't be required to tolerate Fido like they do other tiny humans (who, I agree, can be just as gross and annoying).
3. Fido, even under the best circumstances, can pose a health risk. Fido can also be annoying. Fido could also be minding his own business but doesn't like that some toddler stuck a finger in his eye or some other dog aggressive dog challenges him to a fight.
4. Because of the above, while a human should absolutely be permitted to own Fido as his property, reasonable restrictions - such as maybe just leave Fido at home when you go to the grocery store - can be put in place.
5. If Fido is a trained service dog, then the interests to the owner is heightened and an exception should be made for super special Fido.


*Kind of as Paddington defines the term.

If a restaurant permits dogs why do you care? Just don't go there. This isn't high level complex math here, folks.

100%.

But my post, while I acknowledged wasn't directly addressed to somewhat, was written more in response to Fat Nick who seems to be suggesting that pet dogs should be permitted everywhere - including grocery stores.

Again, I fully support dog-friendly bars and restaurants provided they are clear about their policy and that zero-pet restaurants similarly stick to such policies and dog owners don't demand to bring Fido there.

 

[Zow]

Dogs that shed are disgusting around food.

Dogs that dont shed are often even more disgusting because they need to be cleaned more often and most people are lazy. The amount of feces that is stuck to their butts varies, but it is always present at some level on a dog that doesn't shed.

Spare me the "omg you should see how many people dont wash their hands" arguments because a disgusting slob that doesnt wash his hands isnt minimized by the presence of a dog and we obviously arent banning humans.

That is nothing more than a diversion.

Do you throw this sort of temper tantrum when invited for dinner at a dog-owner's home?

If I invite you to my home, are you going to bring your dog regardless of whether that was expressly welcomed?

That certainly wasn't the question I asked now was it?

Your question wasn't directed to me. I just wanted to ask you a similarly silly hyperbolic question. Question mark?

 

[Willie Neslon]

Dogs that shed are disgusting around food.

Dogs that dont shed are often even more disgusting because they need to be cleaned more often and most people are lazy. The amount of feces that is stuck to their butts varies, but it is always present at some level on a dog that doesn't shed.

Spare me the "omg you should see how many people dont wash their hands" arguments because a disgusting slob that doesnt wash his hands isnt minimized by the presence of a dog and we obviously arent banning humans.

That is nothing more than a diversion.

Do you throw this sort of temper tantrum when invited for dinner at a dog-owner's home?

Dining in someone’s home is completely different from a public restaurant. In a private home, I know the environment and can choose whether to eat there. I don’t expect private homes to follow health codes, but restaurants are shared spaces where basic hygiene is a reasonable expectation.