Dogs Indoors At Breweries - Yes or No? (1 Viewer)

[Mitchie]

Question: Does a brewery owner who permits dogs inside the establishment need to clarify this with their insurance provider?

I ask because I know for property insurance, sometimes underwriters will ask about dogs - and some insurance carriers won't issue coverage if you own a pit-bull or another breed of dog with a bad rap.

So I have to wonder if these breweries that allow dogs indoors have to have some sort of coverage in the event a dog bites a customer. We live in a very litigious world, I can't imagine this hasn't been broached before.

Doubt the establishment has liability, owner of the dog has responsibility, not a lawyer though.

 

[HellToupee]

I’m good with it but wouldn’t take my dog. He’s a great doggo but he’s 80ish pounds and drools if he sees any type of food. He’s gets all frothy etc.

 

[General Malaise]

Question: Does a brewery owner who permits dogs inside the establishment need to clarify this with their insurance provider?

I ask because I know for property insurance, sometimes underwriters will ask about dogs - and some insurance carriers won't issue coverage if you own a pit-bull or another breed of dog with a bad rap.

So I have to wonder if these breweries that allow dogs indoors have to have some sort of coverage in the event a dog bites a customer. We live in a very litigious world, I can't imagine this hasn't been broached before.

Doubt the establishment has liability, owner of the dog has responsibility, not a lawyer though.

Wouldn't a personal injury attorney want to go after the deepest pockets? Also not a lawyer, but I can't imagine a brewery that allows dogs isn't at risk if a dog bites another customer.

 

[Zow]

I live in a very dog friendly town. People bring them everywhere. I don't mind at all, but keep them outside.
Like someone said earlier, it's the owners that are a problem. If you cannot control your dog or it is a "bad" dog, then leave it home.

Bad owners don't recognize this, though. It's what makes them bad owners.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Big fan of less dogs in public spaces. A dog does not need to be in a home depot where people are trying to load lumber and other projects. A dog does not need to be in a grocery store where people are trying to get through and get their shopping done. A dog should not be in a restaurant where people are trying to go out and have a nice meal without the distraction of dogs all over the place. If you serve food - no dogs. Dogs should not be at malls, pharmacies, or whatever place people take them.

Dogs can stay home, people. If you can't live without your dog for two hours than go seek some help. Dogs everywhere makes it stressful on the dog and all the other people trying to go about their day without a dog under their feet all the time.

I love dogs. Have one at home. But man it's getting old seeing dogs literally everywhere these days. And if I see one more dog panting in the back of the car because their owner just can't leave them at home for a half hour I'm gonna get all ragey up in their business.

:rantover:

I love dogs. Don't hate me.

You can get a doctor to prescribe an emotional support dog

You can also get a Vest online. Neither qualifies as a service dog. Service dogs are allowed nearly everywhere.

 

[Zow]

Question: Does a brewery owner who permits dogs inside the establishment need to clarify this with their insurance provider?

I ask because I know for property insurance, sometimes underwriters will ask about dogs - and some insurance carriers won't issue coverage if you own a pit-bull or another breed of dog with a bad rap.

So I have to wonder if these breweries that allow dogs indoors have to have some sort of coverage in the event a dog bites a customer. We live in a very litigious world, I can't imagine this hasn't been broached before.

Doubt the establishment has liability, owner of the dog has responsibility, not a lawyer though.

Wouldn't a personal injury attorney want to go after the deepest pockets? Also not a lawyer, but I can't imagine a brewery that allows dogs isn't at risk if a dog bites another customer.

I would imagine the brewery would be a listed defendant in a lawsuit, even if not eventually liable.

 

[Mitchie]

Question: Does a brewery owner who permits dogs inside the establishment need to clarify this with their insurance provider?

I ask because I know for property insurance, sometimes underwriters will ask about dogs - and some insurance carriers won't issue coverage if you own a pit-bull or another breed of dog with a bad rap.

So I have to wonder if these breweries that allow dogs indoors have to have some sort of coverage in the event a dog bites a customer. We live in a very litigious world, I can't imagine this hasn't been broached before.

Doubt the establishment has liability, owner of the dog has responsibility, not a lawyer though.

Wouldn't a personal injury attorney want to go after the deepest pockets? Also not a lawyer, but I can't imagine a brewery that allows dogs isn't at risk if a dog bites another customer.

just thinking logically, if there's a fight between people where someone gets injured and the bar didn't serve either person alcohol, seems like there's not liability there, if a dog bites a customer they didn't do anything other than allow the dog to enter the premises, assuming it's clear to everyone that dogs are permitted inside don't see how they could be liable.

 

[Zow]

Good point about an actual service dog. They should be the exception, if that's not obvious. I also highly doubt they'd be the dog causing any potential issue.

 

[Zow]

Question: Does a brewery owner who permits dogs inside the establishment need to clarify this with their insurance provider?

I ask because I know for property insurance, sometimes underwriters will ask about dogs - and some insurance carriers won't issue coverage if you own a pit-bull or another breed of dog with a bad rap.

So I have to wonder if these breweries that allow dogs indoors have to have some sort of coverage in the event a dog bites a customer. We live in a very litigious world, I can't imagine this hasn't been broached before.

Doubt the establishment has liability, owner of the dog has responsibility, not a lawyer though.

Wouldn't a personal injury attorney want to go after the deepest pockets? Also not a lawyer, but I can't imagine a brewery that allows dogs isn't at risk if a dog bites another customer.

just thinking logically, if there's a fight between people where someone gets injured and the bar didn't serve either person alcohol, seems like there's not liability there, if a dog bites a customer they didn't do anything other than allow the dog to enter the premises, assuming it's clear to everyone that dogs are permitted inside don't see how they could be liable.

Your analysis may not be wrong, but there's still a good chance the bar still has to get an attorney and pay several thousand at a minimum to defend the lawsuit.

 

[Nugget]

Bad dog owners give dogs a bad name. I’ve encountered enough dogs off leash that I don’t feel like having one in the next booth over.

 

[Todem]

I'm in the minority but I'm kinda over the whole dog thing. I don't need your dog in every aspect of my life. I still voted on the fence because I feel like breweries present a different opportunity sometimes but overall, I'm good not seeing your dog.

Agreed.

I am a dog lover and owner.....love dogs. I have had a dog in my home all my life and will until the day I go.

Unless it is a true service dog for a special needs person (blind, handicap etc).....I don't want to see dogs in restaurants, supermarkets....basically anywhere that is a public indoor establishment. It's completely out of control, and the whole service dog designation has been abused and exploited by idiotic people who can't train their dog to self soothe themselves or simply won't leave them at home. Who are these people????

It's absolutely ridiculous. Sorry if that offends anyone.....actually no...I don't care if it offends you actually. Being real here.

 

[-fish-]

There's a tap room near me that encourages people to bring dogs. 9 out of 10 times it's great and full of friendly dogs. But sometimes something goes wrong and you end up with two dogs fighting. Because of this tap room, there are other microbreweries/tap rooms in town that specifically advertise no dogs, since some people just don't want to deal with it.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Offshoot of the Kids At Breweries thread.

Should dogs be allowed indoors at breweries?

And to be clear, this isn't about "well behaved" dogs. This is more from the angle of if you're the owner of the brewery, do you set a policy that allows or prohibits dogs?

I will not support or frequent any Breweries or Bars/Restaurants where they allow dogs inside or at the bar, I hate seeing a pooch in a bar stool, I'm sorry but that's just insanity
You have to draw the line somewhere, they have no business in these places OR their owners for that matter, usually even worse than the dogs themselves

Sorry dog lovers but it's weak sauce

 

[Todem]

So true story.....about 5 months ago my wife and I go to have dinner at our favorite Mexican restaurant.

We are in a booth and a couple comes in with two small toy breed dog's....looked like cockapoo's.

They proceed to get a free standing round table....start laying down blankets around the table, set up two bowls of food and water and bring their dogs in.

We were both LOFAO and were mystified at this display of making a table at a public restaurant their personal living room for their dogs.

I live in South Florida where F***ery resides en mass.

 

[the moops]

I would not take my kids now 7-10 in age range to a brewery, though, out of courtesy to others. So, I get that preference.

Courtesy? I don’t get this. A typical brewery is generally very kid friendly and not really a place where older dudes feel the need to get all inappropriate and ****.

 

[Willie Neslon]

It really depends on the place. That said, the bring your dog everywhere movement is completely out of control. I was in a completely packed Whole Foods the day before Thanksgiving and there must have been at least 10 dogs in there. One lady had three dogs with her. She may have been a professional dog-walker, I have no idea, but how in the heck would anyone think its OK to do that? A few months back in another market there was a little dog barking and going crazy at another dog, it's leash almost tripping a random shopper. Someone (not me!) called out from afar "leave your dog at home!", and the little dog's owner flipped out and started going even crazier than the dog. "Don't you f***ing tell me what to do with my dog! F you!" It hit me then that some of these people probably are not all there.

 

[Todem]

It really depends on the place. That said, the bring your dog everywhere movement is completely out of control. I was in a completely packed Whole Foods the day before Thanksgiving and there must have been at least 10 dogs in there. One lady had three dogs with her. She may have been a professional dog-walker, I have no idea, but how in the heck would anyone think its OK to do that? A few months back in another market there was a little dog barking and going crazy at another dog, it's leash almost tripping a random shopper. Someone (not me!) called out from afar "leave you dog at home!", and the little dog's owner flipped out and started going even crazier than the dog. "Don't you f***ing tell me what to do with my dog! F you!" It hit me then that some of these people probably are not all there.

UNHINGED.

Covid really ****ed people up man......they are gone.

 

[Ron Swanson]

Question: Does a brewery owner who permits dogs inside the establishment need to clarify this with their insurance provider?

I ask because I know for property insurance, sometimes underwriters will ask about dogs - and some insurance carriers won't issue coverage if you own a pit-bull or another breed of dog with a bad rap.

So I have to wonder if these breweries that allow dogs indoors have to have some sort of coverage in the event a dog bites a customer. We live in a very litigious world, I can't imagine this hasn't been broached before.

In the situation I'm familiar with the insurance impacted was the WC policy due to the employee who was bitten.

 

[Keith R]

I like the idea of dogs in breweries. I myself would not bring my dogs as they are not used to that much stimulation

 

[massraider]

I still don't understand the hygienic aspect of it. Someone posted a health code above about there being a requirement to have an enclosed wall or something between the animal and the kitchen. I don't have that in my home, nor do I think any other of the millions of dog owners and it's perfectly hygienic. Especially when you are allowing small kids in who are likely to be sick, crying spreading their illness and getting food all over the place

Ever been at a table when someone found a hair in their food?

 

[Dickies]

I'm on the fence about it.

I love dogs, but I had an experience at one of our local restaurants where I was sitting outside and the table next to us had a dog lying calmly on the ground. Another family walking their dog on the sidewalk went by, and both dogs started playfully jumping at each other over the waist-high fence. By the time the owners could get the dogs settled down the dog next to us had already knocked our table, spilling my wife's wine and my beer onto my lap and all over my food. Thankfully my wife didn't see a drop of it and the restaurant comped our meal, but it left a sour taste in my mouth and has changed my view on having dogs at establishments. FWIW this restaurant still allows dogs.

 

[Willie Neslon]

I live in a very dog friendly town. People bring them everywhere. I don't mind at all, but keep them outside.
Like someone said earlier, it's the owners that are a problem. If you cannot control your dog or it is a "bad" dog, then leave it home.

But this is true whether they are outside or inside. Why the distinction? Why allow outside but not inside? A misbehaved dog is as much a problem in both scenarios.

I'm no expert but it's been my experience that dogs are more protective of their owners in closed-in spaces, and therefore more prone to aggression. Especially inherently protective breeds like german shepherd.

Indoor spaces also tend to be louder, and since dogs already have ultra-sensitive hearing (or maybe nerve issues) it can make them more agitated.

It all comes down to how well you know your dog and how well it's trained. I agree that misbehaved dogs have no place at restaurants and leaving it up to the public to decide if their dog will be good is a losing proposition.

I still don't understand the hygienic aspect of it. Someone posted a health code above about there being a requirement to have an enclosed wall or something between the animal and the kitchen. I don't have that in my home, nor do I think any other of the millions of dog owners and it's perfectly hygienic. Especially when you are allowing small kids in who are likely to be sick, crying spreading their illness and getting food all over the place.

I firmly believe dogs do not belong in restaurants and supermarkets. While your dog may be clean and healthy, not every dog is in the same condition. Some carry ticks, fleas, heartworm, or bacteria and illnesses that are simply unsuitable for food environments. And if a dog owner thinks it’s appropriate to bring Rex to Chipotle, can we really trust that they’re taking proper care of the dog’s well-being?

 

[Statorama]

I'm a little disappointed in the "similar threads" feature on this site.

 

[Statorama]

It really depends on the place. That said, the bring your dog everywhere movement is completely out of control.

Amen, brother.

 

[Statorama]

A blind person with a seeing eye dog is the long and short of what I'd allow if I owned a restaurant.

And I better not catch you 'seeing'.

 

[titusbramble]

By breweries, I am assuming you mean what we would call brewery taps that dispense beers at or near the brewery proper - fine with doggos, as long as they're behaved doggos who get on fine with others. If you don't like dog-friendly licenced premises, go elsewhere

 

[the moops]

Thankfully my wife didn't see a drop of it and the restaurant comped our meal, but it left a sour taste in my mouth and has changed my view on having dogs at establishments.

I would take a dog knocking my table over and getting the beers and meal comped 7 days a week.

 

[Statorama]

Question: Does a brewery owner who permits dogs inside the establishment need to clarify this with their insurance provider?

I ask because I know for property insurance, sometimes underwriters will ask about dogs - and some insurance carriers won't issue coverage if you own a pit-bull or another breed of dog with a bad rap.

So I have to wonder if these breweries that allow dogs indoors have to have some sort of coverage in the event a dog bites a customer. We live in a very litigious world, I can't imagine this hasn't been broached before.

Doubt the establishment has liability, owner of the dog has responsibility, not a lawyer though.

Wouldn't a personal injury attorney want to go after the deepest pockets? Also not a lawyer, but I can't imagine a brewery that allows dogs isn't at risk if a dog bites another customer.

just thinking logically, if there's a fight between people where someone gets injured and the bar didn't serve either person alcohol, seems like there's not liability there, if a dog bites a customer they didn't do anything other than allow the dog to enter the premises, assuming it's clear to everyone that dogs are permitted inside don't see how they could be liable.

Your analysis may not be wrong, but there's still a good chance the bar still has to get an attorney and pay several thousand at a minimum to defend the lawsuit.

Yeah - if Walmart encouraged an environment where my safety wasn't reasonably accounted for and I got bit by a dog in a Walmart due to that negligence - I'm hiring Jackie Childs and getting ready to live a lux life.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

So a dog on a bar stool or a stranger on a bar stool? Who would you save from falling off first?

 

[dkp993]

This need to bring your dog everywhere needs to cease immediately*. Dogs are for home or walks.

*life long dog owner here

 

[beer 30]

Good point about an actual service dog. They should be the exception, if that's not obvious. I also highly doubt they'd be the dog causing any potential issue.

Yea, that's my exception, as it should be. Those service animals have been specifically trained to act accordingly in high traffic areas/situations.

Probably should have mentioned that above. I've had dogs off & on all my life, last one just passed a few months ago and think he was the end of it for me, just too tough. It never once in my life occurred to me to drag my dogs with me everywhere I went.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

By breweries, I am assuming you mean what we would call brewery taps that dispense beers at or near the brewery proper - fine with doggos, as long as they're behaved doggos who get on fine with others. If you don't like dog-friendly licenced premises, go elsewhere

They all behave until they don't, that's the problem.
I hate them at supermarkets, that's another place you will get a direct verbal confrontation with me
I ask the Managers at Publix and they say they're not allowed and then I say come walk with me

-I had to fend off a woman with a rather large dog on an airplane once, she wanted to bring it in the seats with us and let him sit under my legs, I said absolutely NOT!
I got the flight attendant's attention and asked that she and her husband(that's what i called the dog) please be seated elsewhere, they were removed quickly
The woman just stood there with her mouth open, and that's when I said it's not the dog it's you
I'm worried about anyone that would expect someone to put up with that on a cross country flight

 

[beer 30]

So a dog on a bar stool or a stranger on a bar stool? Who would you save from falling off first?

Depends, do they have a beer in hand? If so, I'll do whatever possible to save the beer.

 

[Scoresman]

I live in a very dog friendly town. People bring them everywhere. I don't mind at all, but keep them outside.
Like someone said earlier, it's the owners that are a problem. If you cannot control your dog or it is a "bad" dog, then leave it home.

But this is true whether they are outside or inside. Why the distinction? Why allow outside but not inside? A misbehaved dog is as much a problem in both scenarios.

I'm no expert but it's been my experience that dogs are more protective of their owners in closed-in spaces, and therefore more prone to aggression. Especially inherently protective breeds like german shepherd.

Indoor spaces also tend to be louder, and since dogs already have ultra-sensitive hearing (or maybe nerve issues) it can make them more agitated.

It all comes down to how well you know your dog and how well it's trained. I agree that misbehaved dogs have no place at restaurants and leaving it up to the public to decide if their dog will be good is a losing proposition.

I still don't understand the hygienic aspect of it. Someone posted a health code above about there being a requirement to have an enclosed wall or something between the animal and the kitchen. I don't have that in my home, nor do I think any other of the millions of dog owners and it's perfectly hygienic. Especially when you are allowing small kids in who are likely to be sick, crying spreading their illness and getting food all over the place.

I firmly believe dogs do not belong in restaurants and supermarkets. While your dog may be clean and healthy, not every dog is in the same condition. Some carry ticks, fleas, heartworm, or bacteria and illnesses that are simply unsuitable for food environments. And if a dog owner thinks it’s appropriate to bring Rex to Chipotle, can we really trust that they’re taking proper care of the dog’s well-being?

I firmly believe kids do not belong in restaurants and supermarkets. While your kid may be clean and healthy, not every kid is in the same condition. Some carry colds, flus, lice, or bacteria and illnesses that are simply unsuitable for food environments. And if a kid owner thinks it’s appropriate to bring little Timmy to Chipotle, can we really trust that they’re taking proper care of the kid’s well-being?

See what I did there?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Good point about an actual service dog. They should be the exception, if that's not obvious. I also highly doubt they'd be the dog causing any potential issue.

Yea, that's my exception, as it should be. Those service animals have been specifically trained to act accordingly in high traffic areas/situations.

Probably should have mentioned that above. I've had dogs off & on all my life, last one just passed a few months ago and think he was the end of it for me, just too tough. It never once in my life occurred to me to drag my dogs with me everywhere I went.

Side note: You can tell a true service dog from the rest of the pack. A true service dog never ceases to continue staring and looking at their owner, they don't want to be petted in public
It's an easy tell when their little 10 lb fluffy service dog is looking at me and barking, that ain't no service dog.
And Emotional Support animals are not service animals, I'm sorry

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I live in a very dog friendly town. People bring them everywhere. I don't mind at all, but keep them outside.
Like someone said earlier, it's the owners that are a problem. If you cannot control your dog or it is a "bad" dog, then leave it home.

But this is true whether they are outside or inside. Why the distinction? Why allow outside but not inside? A misbehaved dog is as much a problem in both scenarios.

I'm no expert but it's been my experience that dogs are more protective of their owners in closed-in spaces, and therefore more prone to aggression. Especially inherently protective breeds like german shepherd.

Indoor spaces also tend to be louder, and since dogs already have ultra-sensitive hearing (or maybe nerve issues) it can make them more agitated.

It all comes down to how well you know your dog and how well it's trained. I agree that misbehaved dogs have no place at restaurants and leaving it up to the public to decide if their dog will be good is a losing proposition.

I still don't understand the hygienic aspect of it. Someone posted a health code above about there being a requirement to have an enclosed wall or something between the animal and the kitchen. I don't have that in my home, nor do I think any other of the millions of dog owners and it's perfectly hygienic. Especially when you are allowing small kids in who are likely to be sick, crying spreading their illness and getting food all over the place.

I firmly believe dogs do not belong in restaurants and supermarkets. While your dog may be clean and healthy, not every dog is in the same condition. Some carry ticks, fleas, heartworm, or bacteria and illnesses that are simply unsuitable for food environments. And if a dog owner thinks it’s appropriate to bring Rex to Chipotle, can we really trust that they’re taking proper care of the dog’s well-being?

I firmly believe kids do not belong in restaurants and supermarkets. While your kid may be clean and healthy, not every kid is in the same condition. Some carry colds, flus, lice, or bacteria and illnesses that are simply unsuitable for food environments. And if a kid owner thinks it’s appropriate to bring little Timmy to Chipotle, can we really trust that they’re taking proper care of the kid’s well-being?

See what I did there?

There is a laundry list of places that children do not belong
"R" rated movies on a Fri/Sat Night
Theaters/Broadways shows where I've spent hundreds of dollars and I suddenly hear children too young to understand squirming around
Bars and higher end establishments, agreed

 

[Dickies]

Thankfully my wife didn't see a drop of it and the restaurant comped our meal, but it left a sour taste in my mouth and has changed my view on having dogs at establishments.

I would take a dog knocking my table over and getting the beers and meal comped 7 days a week.

Getting the meal comped was certainly nice, but having to do the walk of shame through downtown looking like you peed your pants and having red wine splashed all over your shirt wasn't the most fun. We were also going to hit another fancier spot for a cocktail afterwards, but had to go home instead..... which I guess also saved us some money.

 

[Willie Neslon]

I live in a very dog friendly town. People bring them everywhere. I don't mind at all, but keep them outside.
Like someone said earlier, it's the owners that are a problem. If you cannot control your dog or it is a "bad" dog, then leave it home.

But this is true whether they are outside or inside. Why the distinction? Why allow outside but not inside? A misbehaved dog is as much a problem in both scenarios.

I'm no expert but it's been my experience that dogs are more protective of their owners in closed-in spaces, and therefore more prone to aggression. Especially inherently protective breeds like german shepherd.

Indoor spaces also tend to be louder, and since dogs already have ultra-sensitive hearing (or maybe nerve issues) it can make them more agitated.

It all comes down to how well you know your dog and how well it's trained. I agree that misbehaved dogs have no place at restaurants and leaving it up to the public to decide if their dog will be good is a losing proposition.

I still don't understand the hygienic aspect of it. Someone posted a health code above about there being a requirement to have an enclosed wall or something between the animal and the kitchen. I don't have that in my home, nor do I think any other of the millions of dog owners and it's perfectly hygienic. Especially when you are allowing small kids in who are likely to be sick, crying spreading their illness and getting food all over the place.

I firmly believe dogs do not belong in restaurants and supermarkets. While your dog may be clean and healthy, not every dog is in the same condition. Some carry ticks, fleas, heartworm, or bacteria and illnesses that are simply unsuitable for food environments. And if a dog owner thinks it’s appropriate to bring Rex to Chipotle, can we really trust that they’re taking proper care of the dog’s well-being?

I firmly believe kids do not belong in restaurants and supermarkets. While your kid may be clean and healthy, not every kid is in the same condition. Some carry colds, flus, lice, or bacteria and illnesses that are simply unsuitable for food environments. And if a kid owner thinks it’s appropriate to bring little Timmy to Chipotle, can we really trust that they’re taking proper care of the kid’s well-being?

See what I did there?

Yeah, you did this before. I'll play along again. Yes, kids can spread germs too, but they're seen as necessary customers/shoppers since parents often have to bring them along. The thinking is that, with adults keeping an eye on them, the risk they pose is more manageable than animals, which are harder to control when it comes to behavior and hygiene. Have a good one.

 

[dkp993]

And Emotional Support animals are not service animals, I'm sorry

Sorry, I’m not sorry. This is 100% truth.

As I mentioned in the kids thread. Have run restaurants/Breweries most of my adult life. Dogs have no place in a restaurant (absent obviously true service dogs).

 

[Scoresman]

I live in a very dog friendly town. People bring them everywhere. I don't mind at all, but keep them outside.
Like someone said earlier, it's the owners that are a problem. If you cannot control your dog or it is a "bad" dog, then leave it home.

But this is true whether they are outside or inside. Why the distinction? Why allow outside but not inside? A misbehaved dog is as much a problem in both scenarios.

I'm no expert but it's been my experience that dogs are more protective of their owners in closed-in spaces, and therefore more prone to aggression. Especially inherently protective breeds like german shepherd.

Indoor spaces also tend to be louder, and since dogs already have ultra-sensitive hearing (or maybe nerve issues) it can make them more agitated.

It all comes down to how well you know your dog and how well it's trained. I agree that misbehaved dogs have no place at restaurants and leaving it up to the public to decide if their dog will be good is a losing proposition.

I still don't understand the hygienic aspect of it. Someone posted a health code above about there being a requirement to have an enclosed wall or something between the animal and the kitchen. I don't have that in my home, nor do I think any other of the millions of dog owners and it's perfectly hygienic. Especially when you are allowing small kids in who are likely to be sick, crying spreading their illness and getting food all over the place.

I firmly believe dogs do not belong in restaurants and supermarkets. While your dog may be clean and healthy, not every dog is in the same condition. Some carry ticks, fleas, heartworm, or bacteria and illnesses that are simply unsuitable for food environments. And if a dog owner thinks it’s appropriate to bring Rex to Chipotle, can we really trust that they’re taking proper care of the dog’s well-being?

I firmly believe kids do not belong in restaurants and supermarkets. While your kid may be clean and healthy, not every kid is in the same condition. Some carry colds, flus, lice, or bacteria and illnesses that are simply unsuitable for food environments. And if a kid owner thinks it’s appropriate to bring little Timmy to Chipotle, can we really trust that they’re taking proper care of the kid’s well-being?

See what I did there?

Yeah, you did this before. I'll play along again. Yes, kids can spread germs too, but they're seen as necessary customers/shoppers since parents often have to bring them along. The thinking is that, with adults keeping an eye on them, the risk they pose is more manageable than animals, which are harder to control when it comes to behavior and hygiene. Have a good one.

Hmm. ok but gonna disagree that kids are easier to control. Have seen many, many kids that are just awful despite the parents trying to control them. Meanwhile I also see many dogs who stop bad behavior as soon as a "bad dog" is yelled at it.

Also, disagree that they are necessary shoppers. Most of the little toddlers I see at restaurants have food brought from home.

In both cases, its dog owners and kid owners who really should think twice about bringing them along. And if they cant find a babysitter, then that's one of the sacrafices you make having kids. You dont HAVE to go out to eat if they are going to cause a scene.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I will not visit homes where the owners have dogs and especially if I know or see them on the furniture throughout rubbing their rotten tushes all over everything, that's disgusting
Cats on the other hand are completely different, I love most cats and they don't require as much upkeep
You can leave a cat alone for a couple days with food and water, they're fine, can't really do that with a dog.

 

[Willie Neslon]

Good point about an actual service dog. They should be the exception, if that's not obvious. I also highly doubt they'd be the dog causing any potential issue.

Yea, that's my exception, as it should be. Those service animals have been specifically trained to act accordingly in high traffic areas/situations.

Probably should have mentioned that above. I've had dogs off & on all my life, last one just passed a few months ago and think he was the end of it for me, just too tough. It never once in my life occurred to me to drag my dogs with me everywhere I went.

Side note: You can tell a true service dog from the rest of the pack. A true service dog never ceases to continue staring and looking at their owner, they don't want to be petted in public
It's an easy tell when their little 10 lb fluffy service dog is looking at me and barking, that ain't no service dog.
And Emotional Support animals are not service animals, I'm sorry

Alexia Dox on Instagram: "The original. The first…Tiny Dog in a Grocery Store anthem. #tinydog"

296K likes, 4,936 comments - alexiadox on September 7, 2023: "The original. The first…Tiny Dog in a Grocery Store anthem. #tinydog".

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[Scoresman]

I will not visit homes where the owners have dogs and especially if I know or see them on the furniture throughout rubbing their rotten tushes all over everything, that's disgusting
Cats on the other hand are completely different, I love most cats and they don't require as much upkeep
You can leave a cat alone for a couple days with food and water, they're fine, can't really do that with a dog.

See, this doesnt compute. Cats are actually ridden with bacteria. Their mouths are very dirty and dont forget that to do their business they have to walk all over used cat litter. Think about that the next time a cat jumps on your lap. Also, the problem with cats is that they tend to jump up onto kitchen tables and counters where food is prepared. Cant say that about dogs.

 

[titusbramble]

By breweries, I am assuming you mean what we would call brewery taps that dispense beers at or near the brewery proper - fine with doggos, as long as they're behaved doggos who get on fine with others. If you don't like dog-friendly licenced premises, go elsewhere

They all behave until they don't, that's the problem.

While this is true, as a dog owner you should know how well your dog will react to other dogs. If it can't see another one without woofing from here to eternity then leave it at home

 

[the moops]

I will not visit homes where the owners have dogs and especially if I know or see them on the furniture throughout rubbing their rotten tushes all over everything, that's disgusting
Cats on the other hand are completely different, I love most cats and they don't require as much upkeep
You can leave a cat alone for a couple days with food and water, they're fine, can't really do that with a dog.

See, this doesnt compute. Cats are actually ridden with bacteria. Their mouths are very dirty and dont forget that to do their business they have to walk all over used cat litter. Think about that the next time a cat jumps on your lap. Also, the problem with cats is that they tend to jump up onto kitchen tables and counters where food is prepared. Cant say that about dogs.

Such an MOP post

 

[Stoneworker]

Count me amongst the dog lovers that really get p*ssed off seeing them in a grocery store. There were two in Safeway this very AM. Owners were stinky

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I live in a very dog friendly town. People bring them everywhere. I don't mind at all, but keep them outside.
Like someone said earlier, it's the owners that are a problem. If you cannot control your dog or it is a "bad" dog, then leave it home.

But this is true whether they are outside or inside. Why the distinction? Why allow outside but not inside? A misbehaved dog is as much a problem in both scenarios.

I'm no expert but it's been my experience that dogs are more protective of their owners in closed-in spaces, and therefore more prone to aggression. Especially inherently protective breeds like german shepherd.

Indoor spaces also tend to be louder, and since dogs already have ultra-sensitive hearing (or maybe nerve issues) it can make them more agitated.

It all comes down to how well you know your dog and how well it's trained. I agree that misbehaved dogs have no place at restaurants and leaving it up to the public to decide if their dog will be good is a losing proposition.

I still don't understand the hygienic aspect of it. Someone posted a health code above about there being a requirement to have an enclosed wall or something between the animal and the kitchen. I don't have that in my home, nor do I think any other of the millions of dog owners and it's perfectly hygienic. Especially when you are allowing small kids in who are likely to be sick, crying spreading their illness and getting food all over the place.

I firmly believe dogs do not belong in restaurants and supermarkets. While your dog may be clean and healthy, not every dog is in the same condition. Some carry ticks, fleas, heartworm, or bacteria and illnesses that are simply unsuitable for food environments. And if a dog owner thinks it’s appropriate to bring Rex to Chipotle, can we really trust that they’re taking proper care of the dog’s well-being?

I firmly believe kids do not belong in restaurants and supermarkets. While your kid may be clean and healthy, not every kid is in the same condition. Some carry colds, flus, lice, or bacteria and illnesses that are simply unsuitable for food environments. And if a kid owner thinks it’s appropriate to bring little Timmy to Chipotle, can we really trust that they’re taking proper care of the kid’s well-being?

See what I did there?

Yeah, you did this before. I'll play along again. Yes, kids can spread germs too, but they're seen as necessary customers/shoppers since parents often have to bring them along. The thinking is that, with adults keeping an eye on them, the risk they pose is more manageable than animals, which are harder to control when it comes to behavior and hygiene. Have a good one.

Hmm. ok but gonna disagree that kids are easier to control. Have seen many, many kids that are just awful despite the parents trying to control them. Meanwhile I also see many dogs who stop bad behavior as soon as a "bad dog" is yelled at it.

Also, disagree that they are necessary shoppers. Most of the little toddlers I see at restaurants have food brought from home.

In both cases, its dog owners and kid owners who really should think twice about bringing them along. And if they cant find a babysitter, then that's one of the sacrafices you make having kids. You dont HAVE to go out to eat if they are going to cause a scene.

Great conversation all of you, wanna break away since the kids were introduced and share what happened on the Tennis courts this morning
Tournament "Little Mo's" and kids from all over the World come to this and play, we were out at 8am and there were 3 kids warming up on a court next to us and they were occasionally looking at us, 13-12 and 11 I'll say and I leaned over and said hello finally and asked them where they came in from and they said Mexico.

I welcomed them immediately to the United States and told them how happy we are they're here and they started asking me questions so i sat them down on the benches on our court much to the chagrin of the other 3 I was playing doubles with. I let them coach me a little bit and ask them what i was doing wrong on a volley and they said I needed to angle the racket and I did hitting a winner and the players on the other side jokingly said "Hey, he doesn't need any coaching, don't help him" but we were all laughing and I encouraged these kids to come to AMerica and take advantage of our University system and tennis scholarships, the oldest one said he was working towards that

I asked if they were ranked and the oldest said he was ranked 20th in Mexico, the slightly younger one was ranked 9th and then I said how about this young lady beating the snot out of both of you and they said she was ranked 2nd!

-Sometimes kids make things better or you can make things better for them.
I don't want to rip on the kids too much, let's focus on the pets

 

[dkp993]

I live in a very dog friendly town. People bring them everywhere. I don't mind at all, but keep them outside.
Like someone said earlier, it's the owners that are a problem. If you cannot control your dog or it is a "bad" dog, then leave it home.

But this is true whether they are outside or inside. Why the distinction? Why allow outside but not inside? A misbehaved dog is as much a problem in both scenarios.

I'm no expert but it's been my experience that dogs are more protective of their owners in closed-in spaces, and therefore more prone to aggression. Especially inherently protective breeds like german shepherd.

Indoor spaces also tend to be louder, and since dogs already have ultra-sensitive hearing (or maybe nerve issues) it can make them more agitated.

It all comes down to how well you know your dog and how well it's trained. I agree that misbehaved dogs have no place at restaurants and leaving it up to the public to decide if their dog will be good is a losing proposition.

I still don't understand the hygienic aspect of it. Someone posted a health code above about there being a requirement to have an enclosed wall or something between the animal and the kitchen. I don't have that in my home, nor do I think any other of the millions of dog owners and it's perfectly hygienic. Especially when you are allowing small kids in who are likely to be sick, crying spreading their illness and getting food all over the place.

I firmly believe dogs do not belong in restaurants and supermarkets. While your dog may be clean and healthy, not every dog is in the same condition. Some carry ticks, fleas, heartworm, or bacteria and illnesses that are simply unsuitable for food environments. And if a dog owner thinks it’s appropriate to bring Rex to Chipotle, can we really trust that they’re taking proper care of the dog’s well-being?

I firmly believe kids do not belong in restaurants and supermarkets. While your kid may be clean and healthy, not every kid is in the same condition. Some carry colds, flus, lice, or bacteria and illnesses that are simply unsuitable for food environments. And if a kid owner thinks it’s appropriate to bring little Timmy to Chipotle, can we really trust that they’re taking proper care of the kid’s well-being?

See what I did there?

Yeah, you did this before. I'll play along again. Yes, kids can spread germs too, but they're seen as necessary customers/shoppers since parents often have to bring them along. The thinking is that, with adults keeping an eye on them, the risk they pose is more manageable than animals, which are harder to control when it comes to behavior and hygiene. Have a good one.

Hmm. ok but gonna disagree that kids are easier to control. Have seen many, many kids that are just awful despite the parents trying to control them. Meanwhile I also see many dogs who stop bad behavior as soon as a "bad dog" is yelled at it.

Also, disagree that they are necessary shoppers. Most of the little toddlers I see at restaurants have food brought from home.

In both cases, it’s dog owners and kid owners who really should think twice about bringing them along. And if they cant find a babysitter, then that's one of the sacrafices you make having kids. You dont HAVE to go out to eat if they are going to cause a scene.

One thing seems to being overlooked here in this conversation. That being, the kids are HUMAN BEINGS. The dogs are animals. Kids go where the family goes. That’s the way society works.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I will not visit homes where the owners have dogs and especially if I know or see them on the furniture throughout rubbing their rotten tushes all over everything, that's disgusting
Cats on the other hand are completely different, I love most cats and they don't require as much upkeep
You can leave a cat alone for a couple days with food and water, they're fine, can't really do that with a dog.

See, this doesnt compute. Cats are actually ridden with bacteria. Their mouths are very dirty and dont forget that to do their business they have to walk all over used cat litter. Think about that the next time a cat jumps on your lap. Also, the problem with cats is that they tend to jump up onto kitchen tables and counters where food is prepared. Cant say that about dogs.

Lot of cats do their business outside, many prefer it

 

[Willie Neslon]

I live in a very dog friendly town. People bring them everywhere. I don't mind at all, but keep them outside.
Like someone said earlier, it's the owners that are a problem. If you cannot control your dog or it is a "bad" dog, then leave it home.

But this is true whether they are outside or inside. Why the distinction? Why allow outside but not inside? A misbehaved dog is as much a problem in both scenarios.

I'm no expert but it's been my experience that dogs are more protective of their owners in closed-in spaces, and therefore more prone to aggression. Especially inherently protective breeds like german shepherd.

Indoor spaces also tend to be louder, and since dogs already have ultra-sensitive hearing (or maybe nerve issues) it can make them more agitated.

It all comes down to how well you know your dog and how well it's trained. I agree that misbehaved dogs have no place at restaurants and leaving it up to the public to decide if their dog will be good is a losing proposition.

I still don't understand the hygienic aspect of it. Someone posted a health code above about there being a requirement to have an enclosed wall or something between the animal and the kitchen. I don't have that in my home, nor do I think any other of the millions of dog owners and it's perfectly hygienic. Especially when you are allowing small kids in who are likely to be sick, crying spreading their illness and getting food all over the place.

I firmly believe dogs do not belong in restaurants and supermarkets. While your dog may be clean and healthy, not every dog is in the same condition. Some carry ticks, fleas, heartworm, or bacteria and illnesses that are simply unsuitable for food environments. And if a dog owner thinks it’s appropriate to bring Rex to Chipotle, can we really trust that they’re taking proper care of the dog’s well-being?

I firmly believe kids do not belong in restaurants and supermarkets. While your kid may be clean and healthy, not every kid is in the same condition. Some carry colds, flus, lice, or bacteria and illnesses that are simply unsuitable for food environments. And if a kid owner thinks it’s appropriate to bring little Timmy to Chipotle, can we really trust that they’re taking proper care of the kid’s well-being?

See what I did there?

Yeah, you did this before. I'll play along again. Yes, kids can spread germs too, but they're seen as necessary customers/shoppers since parents often have to bring them along. The thinking is that, with adults keeping an eye on them, the risk they pose is more manageable than animals, which are harder to control when it comes to behavior and hygiene. Have a good one.

Hmm. ok but gonna disagree that kids are easier to control. Have seen many, many kids that are just awful despite the parents trying to control them. Meanwhile I also see many dogs who stop bad behavior as soon as a "bad dog" is yelled at it.

Also, disagree that they are necessary shoppers. Most of the little toddlers I see at restaurants have food brought from home.

In both cases, its dog owners and kid owners who really should think twice about bringing them along. And if they cant find a babysitter, then that's one of the sacrafices you make having kids. You dont HAVE to go out to eat if they are going to cause a scene.

You disagree that kids are easier to control? Dogs are on leashes for a reason.

Whether or not to bring children out with you depends on the setting but most people aren’t going to pay for a babysitter just to go to the market or to casually grab some food. Your point seems more focused on being argumentative than on being realistic.