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Dolphins and Jason Taylor to Part Ways (1 Viewer)

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Cole used to be the phins beat writer for the SunSentinel and I am sure he still has ties close to the organization.

Taylor and Dolphins to part ways

By Jason Cole, Yahoo! Sports

Miami Dolphins defensive end Jason Taylor has already moved away from South Florida. The only thing left is to figure out his next address.

Three sources close to the Dolphins organization said this week that Taylor and the team he has been part of for 11 years have graciously agreed to part ways between now and the NFL draft April 26. There’s no animosity between Taylor and new Dolphins guru Bill Parcells or coach Tony Sparano.

There are just plans that each side has. Those plans don’t include each other.

For the Dolphins, who are still stinging from the worst year in team history, the plan is to get younger, both through the draft and free agency. The Dolphins have signed six players in the first two days of free agency, none of them household names. They range from quarterback Josh McCown to linebacker Reggie Torbor to defensive tackle Randy Starks.

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With the exception of McCown, who is still a relatively young 28 for a quarterback, all of those players are 27 or younger. All have been brought in to replenish a roster that was turned hollow by the poor drafting of Dave Wannstedt from 2000 to 2004. Nick Saban wasn’t great in 2005 and 2006 and the jury is still out on Randy Mueller’s draft in 2007, but the fact is that going 1-15 in the NFL of today requires a lot of bad work over a long period of time.

That’s why the Dolphins, even with a truckload of cap room, have been conspicuously absent in the sweepstakes for top linemen such as Alan Faneca and Flozell Adams. Both are Parcells-type guys, big, tough, nasty and smart. Furthermore, Parcells’ M.O. is to build the offensive line.

They’re also both over 30 and after taking a couple of months to analyze the Dolphins roster, Parcells knows that he has a long-term project on his hands. There’s a very good chance the Dolphins won’t be good again until after Faneca and Adams are done as players.

True, the Dolphins did trade for 33-year-old defensive tackle Jason Ferguson, but there are other reasons for that. Ferguson came cheap (he essentially cost Miami a sixth-round pick in 2009), he’s a stopgap at defensive tackle (a spot where the Dolphins are truly horrible right now) and he’s a Parcells guy, having played for five years under Parcells. Ferguson is the type of guy who can help instill the work ethic and focus Parcells wants for the roster.

That brings the whole thing back to Taylor, who is 33 and will be 34 before next season begins. Taylor has averaged 11½ sacks over his career and has had at least 11 in six of the past eight years. He was the NFL Defensive Player of the Year in 2006 and was named the Walter Payton Man of the Year last season for all his charitable work and public service.

Taylor knows the end of his career is near and he’s already beginning his transition. He told the Dolphins a month ago that he was going to take part in the “Dancing With the Stars” television series. For that, Taylor has already moved to Los Angeles to prepare and he could be on the show until mid-May, cutting significantly into any offseason program with the Dolphins.

Last month, Taylor appeared on Oprah. Last year, Taylor was the face of the NFL when the league was promoting the Dolphins-New York Giants game in London.

And what a face to use. In 2001, Taylor was featured by Sports Illustrated as one of the “Ten Sexiest Athletes” in sports. He has done movie appearances, has been a pitchman for companies like Neutrogena and has had an eye on Hollywood for as long as he has played.

One can’t blame him for that. Making $8 million for a movie is a lot easier than chasing quarterbacks for the same money. Taylor has two years left on a contract that pays him $7.5 million this season and $8 million in 2008.

Not that the Dolphins can’t afford that money, but they need players for the long-term a lot more. Taylor isn’t interested in the long-term. If he’s going to play – and that is an “if” – he wants to do it for a team that will contend.

That’s why an Internet rumor that made the rounds Saturday about Taylor going to Green Bay makes some sense. It’s premature, but it’s logical. Beyond that, the stated price of a second- and fourth-round pick for Taylor is low. Heck, if Justin Smith can get $65 million from San Francisco, the Dolphins should be able to get at least a first-round pick for Taylor.

Of course, all of that remains to be seen. But be sure of one thing, just as Taylor will be seen dancing by millions of viewers over the coming weeks, his name will be in trade talks held behind closed doors.

 
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This could have the biggest impact of any move as far as 2008 is concerned. If Taylor goes to the right team (i.e. a contender) he could really take their defense to the next level. This guy is the real deal and while he's no youngster he's still got plenty left in the gas tank. I would think plenty of treams will be calling the Tuna to obtain his services.

 
GB suggested to be interested in him according to ESPN... or suggested to be a good fit... whatever.

Would make sense- we got an extra second rounder. Corey Williams for Jason Taylor? I'd take that in a heart beat

 
GB suggested to be interested in him according to ESPN... or suggested to be a good fit... whatever. Would make sense- we got an extra second rounder. Corey Williams for Jason Taylor? I'd take that in a heart beat
I know Taylor is great, but a 2nd rounder for a 34 year old DE is a bit high.
 
GB suggested to be interested in him according to ESPN... or suggested to be a good fit... whatever. Would make sense- we got an extra second rounder. Corey Williams for Jason Taylor? I'd take that in a heart beat
I know Taylor is great, but a 2nd rounder for a 34 year old DE is a bit high.
Very true... I could see MIA trading him away for a 3rd or 4th alone on draft day much like Randy Moss... I don't know, we have 2nd rounders, wouldn't hurt to take a fliar on someone like Taylor... maybe even give them a 3 or 4
 
GB suggested to be interested in him according to ESPN... or suggested to be a good fit... whatever. Would make sense- we got an extra second rounder. Corey Williams for Jason Taylor? I'd take that in a heart beat
I know Taylor is great, but a 2nd rounder for a 34 year old DE is a bit high.
For a team that thinks that they are that one player away....it not that high. He can take over games by himself. So, if you have the offense and have a decent D...watch out. 2nd rounder for the Lombardi trophy is not too steep.
 
GB suggested to be interested in him according to ESPN... or suggested to be a good fit... whatever. Would make sense- we got an extra second rounder. Corey Williams for Jason Taylor? I'd take that in a heart beat
I know Taylor is great, but a 2nd rounder for a 34 year old DE is a bit high.
For a team that thinks that they are that one player away....it not that high. He can take over games by himself. So, if you have the offense and have a decent D...watch out. 2nd rounder for the Lombardi trophy is not too steep.
:goodposting:
 
oooh, I would love to see him in Seahawk Blue!
:confused: 3rd rounder for him? Kerney and Taylor at DE for MH's last season! It wouldnt matter who we had at cornerback, QBs would have no time to throw the ball. Unlikely to happen but I can wish.
 
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Incogneto said:
oooh, I would love to see him in Seahawk Blue!
With Tapp and Kerney manning the ends, Taylor would have a hard time winning one of the spots. DE is just not a need for their limited cap resources this season.
 
Our Gang said:
That’s why an Internet rumor that made the rounds Saturday about Taylor going to Green Bay makes some sense. It’s premature, but it’s logical. Beyond that, the stated price of a second- and fourth-round pick for Taylor is low.
That's right, it is. You are talking about a guy two years removed from DPOY, and one who still had 11 sacks on a terrible team. JT requires triple teams, and also has ints and fumble returns for TDs up he wazoo.The fact you can get this guy for a second and a 4th shows how the league has changed in regads to valuing draft picks, but he would be the "Wes Welker" of this years trades, a player who as soon as he hits the field for your team upgrades their defense, no matter how good it already is. You put him on any teams D Line, and he becomes the best player along that line (although some giant fans may argue the point).

I hate to part with JT, and even a 2 and a 4 seems like we are giving him away, but a 2 and a 4 for this dolphin team in rebuilding mode may be better than a late first in any case.

 
As much as I have been hoping that Taylor would stay, the writing has been on the wall ever since they cut his brother-in-law Zach Thomas. Does Dallas need a defensive end?

 
Our Gang said:
That’s why an Internet rumor that made the rounds Saturday about Taylor going to Green Bay makes some sense. It’s premature, but it’s logical. Beyond that, the stated price of a second- and fourth-round pick for Taylor is low.
That's right, it is. You are talking about a guy two years removed from DPOY, and one who still had 11 sacks on a terrible team. JT requires triple teams, and also has ints and fumble returns for TDs up he wazoo.The fact you can get this guy for a second and a 4th shows how the league has changed in regads to valuing draft picks, but he would be the "Wes Welker" of this years trades, a player who as soon as he hits the field for your team upgrades their defense, no matter how good it already is. You put him on any teams D Line, and he becomes the best player along that line (although some giant fans may argue the point).

I hate to part with JT, and even a 2 and a 4 seems like we are giving him away, but a 2 and a 4 for this dolphin team in rebuilding mode may be better than a late first in any case.
A second and a fourth is still a pretty steep price, especially for a guy most people expect to retire in a few years. Is he worth it? If he's still at top form, he's worth more than that, so even if he has fallen off pace a bit he's probably worth it. I just see most teams not wanting to give up two decent draft picks for someone who isn't a long term solution. :link: BTW I'd take Kevin Williams over him any day of the week and twice on Sunday. JMO

 
Fair point. I think parcells has a 2-3 year window in mind, and knowing that taylor won't be here by then is what prompts this move in any case. I think any team with a this year/next year mentality should jump at taylor. That list is a small one, b/c so few teams are really in the mix.

San Diego, New England, Indy, maybe even Jacksonville and Tenn should be in the conversation. Of those teams, I can see only Indy and Tenn making the move.

In the NFC, Seattle, NYG, Green Bay, tampa (?), New Orleans, and Dallas. I see Green Bay as a logical partner there if favre comes back. Tampa probably should, and new orleans??? I don't see big D doing it, mainly b/c the parcells/JJ back and forth is getting a little tired. If JT was in the mix, they could have just made all the moves that have been rumored:

Miami sends JT/the top pick, and a 6th rounder in 2009 for Marion Barber, Ferguson, two picks in the first this year, a second, and a fourth + swapping the 6th rounders this year and be done with it already :kidding:

 
Jason Taylor has played in the NFL for 11 seasons. He's started 16 games for 8 straight seasons, and for 15 games every year since his rookie year. He's had double digit sacks 5 of the last 6 years, and hasnt had less than 8.5 since his 3rd season in '99. He still runs better than just about any 4-3 DE in the game, and probably as well as any 3-4 OLB. He's a smart veteran with an incredible understanding of the game. He'd be a locker room leader and positive, hard-working presence to any team he goes to.

Any team running a 3-4 with an opening at an outside backer position and in contention would be completely NUTS to not be considering bringing him in at all costs. I hope like hell New England would be willing to give up whatever it takes to get him because Im sure he has 3 more good years in him, and he'd be a perfect fit at OLB opposite Vrabel, moving Adalius Thomas back inside. If it takes a 2nd and a 4th, so be it. Hopefully they could get him for just a 3rd and a 4th. But imo, in no uncertain terms, Taylor is going to be a tremendous difference maker for some team challenging for a title in the fall.

 
Makes sense for the Panthers...

- we need a DE to replace Rucker

- JT has the fiery personality to re-energize that defense and most importantly Julius Peppers

- I believe we have 5 picks in the first 4 rounds (our 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and the Jets 3rd)

- if we address DE with this pick, that allows us to focus on OT, S, RB in the draft

- This team isn't talked about being a contender, but before Delhomme went down we were one of the hottest teams in the NFC and have improved the team from last year already

 
I would fall over laughing if someone gave a 2 & 4 for Taylor. I think people are more likely to give a 3rd at best.
You better stay on soft ground. Just imagine how motivated Taylor would be on a team that was winning??? Taylor is still very good and would be a huge boost for a contending team. The DE's are such an important position in football now and the Giants are a great example. Taylor also is flexible as he dropped into coverage a lot last year.I think he could be worth as much as a 2 this year and next.
 
Odds are not good considering they are in the same division but he looks like a perfect Patriot. As for my Cowboys, I am sure Wade could find a way to use him but we are already stocked at that position with Ware, Ellis and Spencer.

 
Odds are not good considering they are in the same division but he looks like a perfect Patriot. As for my Cowboys, I am sure Wade could find a way to use him but we are already stocked at that position with Ware, Ellis and Spencer.
There's the interesting aspect of a possible trade with NE. NE has 2 3rds in this draft, one of which is a very good one picked up from Oakland. And Parcells isnt a goofy little monkey like some guys with other rival teams, so he'll actually consider trading with ALL teams. He also probably understands NE can give up about as much as any other team, and would be willing to do so considering how much that team could use Taylor. And Im also sure he understands Miami isnt really going to compete with NE for that division for atleast 2 more years. In which time, Taylor's time would be winding down. He's trying to improve Miami. I doubt he's worried about how the trade will effect whatever team Taylor ends up on. He just wants the picks and the cap space. jmho. And I agree that Dallas is pretty set at the OLB spot. In fact, theyre pretty stellar. Wouldnt make sense to spend extra money or picks on such a strong position.
 
Bizkiteer said:
FUBAR said:
Ro3384 said:
GB suggested to be interested in him according to ESPN... or suggested to be a good fit... whatever. Would make sense- we got an extra second rounder. Corey Williams for Jason Taylor? I'd take that in a heart beat
I know Taylor is great, but a 2nd rounder for a 34 year old DE is a bit high.
For a team that thinks that they are that one player away....it not that high. He can take over games by himself. So, if you have the offense and have a decent D...watch out. 2nd rounder for the Lombardi trophy is not too steep.
Especially a team with Aaron Kampman on the other side of the field.Lets face it...Taylor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.KGBIF they did this move. KGB would be moved and probably get them the 4th rounder back (or something)With what the Giants did...not sure how people think it would be too much to pay to have an elite DE on the field along with a pro-bowler on the other side.
 
Dolphins executive vice president of football operations Bill Parcells told ESPN's Chris Mortensen that defensive end Jason Taylor will be playing for Miami in 2008 unless he chooses to retire, contrary to a published report.

Yahoo Sports reported Saturday night that Taylor, an 11-year veteran who has played all of his 172 career games for the Dolphins, would be parting ways with Miami this offseason before the NFL draft this April.

"This latest report is just another example of journalistic irresponsibility," Parcells told Mortensen.

 
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Bizkiteer said:
FUBAR said:
Ro3384 said:
GB suggested to be interested in him according to ESPN... or suggested to be a good fit... whatever. Would make sense- we got an extra second rounder. Corey Williams for Jason Taylor? I'd take that in a heart beat
I know Taylor is great, but a 2nd rounder for a 34 year old DE is a bit high.
For a team that thinks that they are that one player away....it not that high. He can take over games by himself. So, if you have the offense and have a decent D...watch out. 2nd rounder for the Lombardi trophy is not too steep.
Especially a team with Aaron Kampman on the other side of the field.Lets face it...Taylor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.KGBIF they did this move. KGB would be moved and probably get them the 4th rounder back (or something)With what the Giants did...not sure how people think it would be too much to pay to have an elite DE on the field along with a pro-bowler on the other side.
For a team like Green Bay, it makes sense but I still think they'd get him, if at all, for less than a 2nd. He doesn't have long left in the NFL, so the team has to be going all out this year and have cap room (many do now actually). GB makes sense if they want to give Favre a last run. Problem is, not many other teams do make sense.
 
This still smells fishy, Cole isn't one to have every been an irresponsble journalist.
agreed. One of thr things Pace said on coming in for a visit was he was looking forward to playing with JT. Now JT is out with Pace still deciding = maybe pace goes to New York. Once he is signed (pace) he can pound sand if Parcells trades JTI love how people on this board try to drive down the price of a guy like JT. How mych would you be willing to spend on 30 sacks for the next 3 years + a few FF, + a double team on one side of the Defense + the ability to go into coverage. The man still runs like a gazelle, and sure, he wants out of football soon b/c his teams sucks. Put him on a good team. A prideful JT got 11 sacks last year with nothing really to play for. Make those games in December count and see what happens.
 
Bizkiteer said:
FUBAR said:
Ro3384 said:
GB suggested to be interested in him according to ESPN... or suggested to be a good fit... whatever. Would make sense- we got an extra second rounder. Corey Williams for Jason Taylor? I'd take that in a heart beat
I know Taylor is great, but a 2nd rounder for a 34 year old DE is a bit high.
For a team that thinks that they are that one player away....it not that high. He can take over games by himself. So, if you have the offense and have a decent D...watch out. 2nd rounder for the Lombardi trophy is not too steep.
Especially a team with Aaron Kampman on the other side of the field.Lets face it...Taylor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.KGBIF they did this move. KGB would be moved and probably get them the 4th rounder back (or something)With what the Giants did...not sure how people think it would be too much to pay to have an elite DE on the field along with a pro-bowler on the other side.
For a team like Green Bay, it makes sense but I still think they'd get him, if at all, for less than a 2nd. He doesn't have long left in the NFL, so the team has to be going all out this year and have cap room (many do now actually). GB makes sense if they want to give Favre a last run. Problem is, not many other teams do make sense.
Last time they tried to get someone for less than people thought...he ended up going to New England and breaking Jerry Rice's single season TD record.
 
I'd be happy if the Jets traded their high 2nd round pick for Taylor. Would be quite the coup and complete a terrific off-season.

I'd wager Taylor will make more Pro Bowls the rest of his career than the your average 40th pick in the draft.

 
Bizkiteer said:
FUBAR said:
Ro3384 said:
GB suggested to be interested in him according to ESPN... or suggested to be a good fit... whatever. Would make sense- we got an extra second rounder. Corey Williams for Jason Taylor? I'd take that in a heart beat
I know Taylor is great, but a 2nd rounder for a 34 year old DE is a bit high.
For a team that thinks that they are that one player away....it not that high. He can take over games by himself. So, if you have the offense and have a decent D...watch out. 2nd rounder for the Lombardi trophy is not too steep.
Especially a team with Aaron Kampman on the other side of the field.Lets face it...Taylor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.KGBIF they did this move. KGB would be moved and probably get them the 4th rounder back (or something)With what the Giants did...not sure how people think it would be too much to pay to have an elite DE on the field along with a pro-bowler on the other side.
For a team like Green Bay, it makes sense but I still think they'd get him, if at all, for less than a 2nd. He doesn't have long left in the NFL, so the team has to be going all out this year and have cap room (many do now actually). GB makes sense if they want to give Favre a last run. Problem is, not many other teams do make sense.
Last time they tried to get someone for less than people thought...he ended up going to New England and breaking Jerry Rice's single season TD record.
Completely different situation, but thanks for sharing.
I'd be happy if the Jets traded their high 2nd round pick for Taylor. Would be quite the coup and complete a terrific off-season.I'd wager Taylor will make more Pro Bowls the rest of his career than the your average 40th pick in the draft.
Do you really like him in the 3-4?
 
Parcells is just putting out a small fire, if you ask me. Whether or not Taylor will still play for the Dolphins in the fall is anyone's guess. But the Tuna will have far more trade leverage by making statements like the one just released implying Taylor is staying put. And he'll keep a lot of Dolphins fans from jumping ship in the meantime as well. Even though I think he'd be the first to admit that his team would probably be better off with a couple of 1st day draft picks over the next several years instead of Jason Taylor. But the word is on the street, so interested teams will still be calling and looking into it without reporters fueling the fire needlessly.

And I think Taylor would be a tremendous 3-4 outside backer at this point in his career. Lining up with 320 pound O tackles isnt getting any easier for a guy his size entering his 12th season.

 
Completely different situation, but thanks for sharing.
Different people yes.But similar situation as far as setting a value on Taylor and not going above that (if the rumor were true).Ted thought he had a deal for Randy...would not come off of his low-ball offer...and NE swooped in and took him.If he tries lowballing for Taylor, the exact same thing could happen.
 
Completely different situation, but thanks for sharing.
Different people yes.But similar situation as far as setting a value on Taylor and not going above that (if the rumor were true).Ted thought he had a deal for Randy...would not come off of his low-ball offer...and NE swooped in and took him.If he tries lowballing for Taylor, the exact same thing could happen.
Ok, similar situations, but reasons for the "low-ball" offers are different. Nobody is challenging Taylor's work ethic or character, but not every team has a need for a 34 year old DE - even one as great as Taylor is.
 
Parcells is just putting out a small fire, if you ask me. Whether or not Taylor will still play for the Dolphins in the fall is anyone's guess. But the Tuna will have far more trade leverage by making statements like the one just released implying Taylor is staying put. And he'll keep a lot of Dolphins fans from jumping ship in the meantime as well. Even though I think he'd be the first to admit that his team would probably be better off with a couple of 1st day draft picks over the next several years instead of Jason Taylor. But the word is on the street, so interested teams will still be calling and looking into it without reporters fueling the fire needlessly.

And I think Taylor would be a tremendous 3-4 outside backer at this point in his career. Lining up with 320 pound O tackles isnt getting any easier for a guy his size entering his 12th season.
:excited: I won't pretend to know the man, but will he be willing to change positions like that? Not many HOF players will - possible exception of corners trying to hang on, and even then, they're often reluctant.
 

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