I'm probably a little bit misinformed, (I doubt it though since I'm from houston) but why is he going so high in mock drafts? as high as early 2nd? Now Davis had a great season, when he played. But some injuries held him back, and is he durable enough for an entire season? He is rather small. Plus there is the fact that Hollings has been healign for 2 years and all reports in the Houston Chronicle say he has impressed at camp, and his burst is definatly back. I'm just skeptical to see him going so early. If he can make it a whole season without spliting time, he'd probably be a great pick there, but I have a few doubts. Some Davis fans throw me some info please? Thanks guys!
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Phlash
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Exactly. He averaged 100 yd/g and 8 of TDs in only 10 games. In a 16 game season, assuming he's healthy (I believe in him, reports are that he's working harder than everyone else to get into top game form), he's gonna get around 1600 yards and 13 TDs along with 75 receptions with 562 yards through the air. Pretty stud if you ask me.
gman8343
What would Lemmy do?
He performed very well last season. I think Hollings will certainly get some carries, but just enough to keep DD fresh -- unless he's the 2nd coming of Portis I don't think Hollings has much of a shot at taking the job or even getting into a RBBC situation. Weren't they recently talking about being the newest triplets -- Carr/Johnson/Davis?DD is a duel threat, can stay in on 3rd downs, and can rack up the yardage. In leagues that reward 1 pt per reception he holds even more value. Injury is a concern but his size isn't much different than Priest Holmes (some people think of him as Priest Light).I think he's going about where he should, though certainly if you don't like him there are other options at RB in the early 2nd.
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
You're insane. From the middle of October until the middle of November, Davis was off the hook. During that 4 game stretch, he averaged 104 yards per game, scored 3 TDs, and have 18 catches for 105 yards (4.5 r/g and 26 ypg). Those numbers are AWESOME. If you 'project' that to 16 games, he's good for 1,664 yards, 12 TDs, 72 receptions, and 420 yards in the air. Stud territory.However, did you notice his next few games, when team's realized that they needed to stop Davis, not Carr?2.6ypc.2.9ypc.4.2ypc3.9ypc.3.5ypc.3.6ypc.5.0ypc.If not for the last game of the year against Tennessee (99 yards, 2 TDs, 6 receptions), he would have finished the year in a 'poof' of smoke. In point-per-reception leagues, his value increases a bit, but without that scoring system, he's a bit overrated.Domanick Davis has a bright future. I expect him to be a solid NFL player for a while. But for every reason there is to think "Carr will get better and help Davis", there is reason to think "Hollings will get better and steal touches." I wouldn't be counting on Davis as much more than a MARGINAL RB2 in most scoring systems.Colin
Winning IS Everything
Footballguy
Interesting how their stats compare. However, the reason A Train lost his gig is he is not a pass catching back and does not fit the coaching scheme. Davis was drafted by his current coaching staff and fits the scheme well. I know Hollings was brought in by this staff as well, but I think Davis will be given every chance to keep the starting job. What he does with it may be another story.
texansfan88
Footballguy
janus janus janus....my friend...how many games did you attend this year? when you see him in person, you know why hes going where he is...DD bounces off of guys and is incredibly tough to take down for any defenderThats why in his starts he avg. 90-100 yds per game. Davis isn't small at all for a runningback and he is BUILT, from the pictures i've seen, he has busted it this offseason to get bigger stronger and faster and its showingIf you follow the Texans every day janus, you would know that hollings is slated as our #2 guy. He has shown signs of nothing and looks like he'll return kicks this yearwhat i'm getting at is until you see this guy live, theres really no way to tell how special he is...another thing i love about double d is his confidence...he claims every interview that hes going to get 2000 yards. I like a player that is busting his butt, striving for a goal, and ready to take his team to the topthat is why hes going early
texansfan88
Footballguy
yes they are talking about the new triplets carr/davis/johnson and it just might happen this year.carr is more confident than ever in his ability, davis is striving to be the best in the league, and aj...well...aj is just plain special...with a supporting cast which includes free agent acquisitions Todd Wade and Marc Bruener, along with Chester Pitts moving back to his natural position which made him a 2nd round pick, the offense could be the most explosive in recent historyBy the way, Corey Bradford in a contract year, seems extremely motivated to have a good year and is working out every day down at Reliant Park.Dont listen to Janus, if you want info on the texans come to me...
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Colin Dowling
Footballguy
1. David Carr is never going to be more than an average quarterback.2. Domanick David didn't average 100 yards a game in his starts. He averaged 110 yards in his 4 best games. He averaged 69 yards per game in his other 6 starts. He averaged 5.47ypc in his best 4 games. He averaged 3.79 ypc in his other 6 starts. Colin
Dominick Davis is the new Fred Taylor. Top five potential if he's healthy playing for a team that may be on the rise...Take both those factors and you get a fat dose of contraversy...for what it's worth i say he gets dinged up for two or three games but puts up big numbers when he plays
texansfan88
Footballguy
ask a panther, patriot, dolphin, jet, titan, or colt fan if we're just a regular rollover and quit team...i'm sure they'll be pleased to tell you the scare they received from us...if information = homer optomism, you've got a ton of "information".
texansfan88
Footballguy
Carr not going to be more than an average qb? what tells you that. the last two years, he's complained that palmer has been holding him back like crazy...this year palmer is handing the controls to qb coach greg roman and if roman says hes good to go, carr will pass around 35 times a game...everyone can have their opinons on it i guess, i just wouldnt want to be wrong...
ha, went to 4 home games last year, going to at least 4 more this year, don't question my loyalty to the team, i call them as i see them, i pray that DD has the same type of year he had last year, but you can't deny what i pointed out. when i say he's small, i dn't mean weight, i'm referring to height 5'9" is a little undersized (unless your name is barry) and until Tony Hollings is gone (from a fantasy stand point) DD (to me) is a is no better than a mid to late 3rd rounder, i guess i'm one of the managers who would rather let others take the gamble instead of me, but you can sure as hell guarantee that I will take hollings in the later rounds and let him ride the bench until he gets his chance to start, cuz boy when he does, watch out. if dd is out for a 2-3 game stretch, i'd hate to see hollings get ridiculously hot, cuz capers will not hesitate to keep DD on the side until he's 100% sure that he's healthy, especially if hollings is hot. all that aside...GO TEXANS.
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texansfan88
Footballguy
where are your seats? 137 here.
texansfan88
Footballguy
your right about capers keeping guys out longer than they need to be (payne, carr, walker) but Tony looked horrible in the jacksonville and tampa games when davis was out, maybe b/c ragone was playing but i dont know...hindsight he was a horrible pick knowing that we woulda had the #33 selection, but we were nothing w/o davis last year and i believe he deserves to get all this credit b/c he took this team single handedly (SP) and made them a team to be reckoned with
Avery
Footballguy
And your point is?Davis, Carr and Johnson may turn out to be the greatest three offensive weapons every assembled on a single team. However, they have not done anything thus far in their careers to warrent those sort of accolades.It's the time of year for homer's to be overly optomistic about their teams and that optomism doesn't necessarily equal good information.ask a panther, patriot, dolphin, jet, titan, or colt fan if we're just a regular rollover and quit team...i'm sure they'll be pleased to tell you the scare they received from us...if information = homer optomism, you've got a ton of "information".
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this is true, but keep in mind, dd was never drafted to be a rb, he was supposed to be a KR/PR, had mack not been injured, wells completely ineffective, and hollings not 100% yet, dd would've never got his chance and this would be the year hollings would be starting, fate stepped in and gave dd a chance, no one can honestly say they new dd would be a stud and the hollings would be futile.
texansfan88
Footballguy
i'm being optimistic b/c they've shown signs of greatness...i'd say the same thing if someone asked me about detroit or seattle, doesnt make me a homer saying all the stuff i've seen happening in texans mini camps...anyone who has seen davis lately would be impressed
Phlash
Footballguy
I gotta agree with Texansfan here.I was 100% sure the Patriots were losing that game, but Brady is clutch, and even though the Texans outplayed the Patriots the whole game, we were able to sneak a win out from them. They lost most of their games by very smalllll margins. I expect a huge year from them this season. The Titans are going down, next year the Colts lose a stud RB or stud WR (thanks to Manning, and they will never had a good D btw with his salary). The Jags and Texans are going to own that division soon.ask a panther, patriot, dolphin, jet, titan, or colt fan if we're just a regular rollover and quit team...i'm sure they'll be pleased to tell you the scare they received from us...if information = homer optomism, you've got a ton of "information".
texansfan88
Footballguy
plus, the team is FINALLY full of life and confidence, they are excited to be out there and practicing, they all feel they finally have a chance to win it, and they have the heart and mindset that they are the best, you can call me a homer, its not going to effect me any. I'm just seeing what they are saying and doing and all signs point to it generating a hell of a year
BigJim®
Footballguy
First off, I love what I saw of DD last year. However, if your comment is true, the Texans front office should be fired on the spot for using a 2nd round draft pick to take a kick returner. Also, members of the National Scouting Combine should be fired for rating Hollings a top 5 senior-to-be (at any position), and members of BLESTO scouting combine should be fired for rating Hollings a top 7 senior-to-be (at any position). Call me a skeptic on your "no question about it" take; it was well reported in Houston papers that Houston wasn't expecting squat from Hollings in 2003 just months after ACL surgery. What PT they got from him last year was gravy compared to placing him on PUP/IR, as they fully expected to do. But in your opinion, there's just no chance at all that the T.Hollings you saw last year was a mere shell of the healthy player? Hmmm. IMHO, basing your opinion of a RB upon what you saw of him less than a year removed from ACL surgery doesn't make you the Texan's #1 resource, it makes your judgment highly questionable. Particularly when your opinion flies in the face of those who are paid to rate players. The Texans could very well have 2 highly qualified RBs on their roster, so things could get interesting if DD gets dinged again.
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texansfan88
Footballguy
most of the titan, colt, panther, and patriots fans came in to our stadium talking a lot of trash, they all left with respect for the Texans, no one in the nfl shows more heart than the texans do at home, maybe the packers but for a team that was full of second stringers playing due to injury, they were a fighting group of guys, and no one can say thats not true
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
David Carr needs to show the following things before I give him a chance to be a top-tier QB..1. Touch - He has none. Short balls are ducks, long balls are bullets, mid-range passes are either too light (intercepted) or too hard (incomplete).2. Leadership - We may well disagree here, but I don't like Carr's attitude. I've pointed out plenty of examples and I'll do so again if necessary, but I don't see the same things in Carr's personality as I do in other young QBs. I remeber one Sunday in November, I saw post-game interviews with Carr and with Leftwich. Both had lost that day. Leftwich was visibly pissed and said something to the affect of, "If I don't throw the pick there, we win the game. Its my fault and I'm going to do every thing I can to make sure that doesn't happen again. We should have won today." Carr's response after losing to the Titans, "well, we've made some progress. We're getting better and trying to make things happen."Their statlines were nearly identical, the results the same. Leftwich shouldered it and said, "I'll fix it." Carr sought the moral victory. Thats just one example. I can give you at least half a dozen more.3. Patience - This one is as important as 1 and 2. I think Carr got sacked so much his first year that he became trigger happy last year, unloading the ball too early. He can't be blamed, but he's going to need to fix it. Particularly in mid-season, Carr was taking the snap, looking at his primary receiver and either throwing it or dumping it off to Davis. Period. There is NO WAY that DD was the 2nd receiver on those plays. He never looked at Gaffney, Bradford, Miller, or Johnson if they weren't the primary. I applaud the fact that he wanted to complete a pass and move the ball, but there's no point in running a 3 wide set if the QB looks at 1 WR before hitting his outlet. He needs to learn to stay put, trust his line (they ARE much improved) and complete his reads.There are other things, but I'd be nitpicking. THe 3 I listed are things that Carr will need to fix if he is to ever be a special QB. To be fair, they ARE fixable, but I just don't see it happening, at least not in the short term.Colin
VICK-IS-GOD
Footballguy
He's a decent player, but come on man, get a grip. Marshall Faulk he is not.
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
Sure, they earned people's respect. As a result, they can now be listed as a "NFL team" and not a "NFL expansion team." But thats the only victory there, and things are only going to get tougher from here, just as they are for other resurgent teams like the Bengals and Jags. Respect doesn't score touchdowns. Colin
texansfan88
Footballguy
maybe i said it wrong...Hollings was supposed to be the back of the future...the next great back for us, but DD proved that was his spot...maybe hollings can creep back into it but from what i've heard from the texans and seen in person...hollings is the kick returner as of now...
Dominic Davis is not small, he is short. I don't think a players height has ever been tied to his propensity for injury, except maybe on the other end of the spectrum where taller runners run more upright and take more of a pounding. He weighs more than Portis, Holmes, Faulk, Martin, Henry and James, a pound less than Green and 5 pounds less than Tomlinson and McAllister. We're not talking about Warrick Dunn here.In his 10 starts he rushed 203 time for 860 yards and caught 34 balls for 217 yards. So yes, he did accumulate over 100 yards from scrimmage per game in his 10 starts (107.7). He was over 4.2 ypc in 6 of 10 starts and Banks and Ragone were under center for 3 of the other 4 games, so don't bring this crap about he had a few good games that inflated his stats.
VICK-IS-GOD
Footballguy
But he did, should we just ignore that FACT.
texansfan88
Footballguy
the whole problem with david has been not enough time in the pocket...when you dont have time you have to rush things, and thats been his problem. now he has a solid front in front of him and the only problem that might occur is Seth Wand, the new left tackle might not be able to hold his own, in which case Brad Lekerkerker would fill in, otherwise, he should have more time to let things happen.the leadership thing, we didnt play the titans in november....if you're thinking about december...theres nothing he could do about that. it wasnt his fault, marcus coleman fell down and it left drew bennett wide open in the endzone for the score...maybe he should have been pissed at his team for costing him a win, but thats not david, hes a team player and while he expects to be the best, hes not going to jump on people for wrong doingalso, another sign of leadership, november 30th i believe, not too sure against the Atlanta Falcons, Tony Banks leaves at halftime with a broken hand, (tony is one of the best backups in the league by the way), everyone suspected Ragone was coming in....nope it was david carrDavid took this team on his shoulders and got them a win...he couldnt throw the ball more than 5 yards, but he was out there fighting every down, I gained all my respect for him after that.#3 deals with the oline and getting too excited...the problem looks to be fixed as hes only thrown 1 int. through the mini camps to dunta robinsonEvery qb has their problems and i think most people forget hes still only had 2 years in the nfl...do you remember aikmans woes?has joey harrington really had much more success than he has?i dont know maybe i'm defending him too much, but from what i've seen, hes determined and due for a good year
Chaos
Footballguy
Texansfan88,You have repeatedly posted this info on DD getting "stronger and faster". I have repeatedly asked for your source of this characterization. You have repeatedly ignored me.Would you please either share with us what these statements are based upon, or please stop posting them. Misinformation is not cool.
texansfan88
Footballguy
he has said since december 28th hes getting 2000 yards this year"Mark it down now, next season, I will get 2000 yards for us, and that is a gurantee"i've heard it a lot lately, and if you ask him, he'll look u in the eye and tell you that he is going to get it
texansfan88
Footballguy
go look at pictures from mini camps and pictures from last year, look at the difference in the legs and biceps, i dont know what he went on, some kinda david boston workouton the houstontexans.com website there is an article with him talking about how hard he worked out this offseason with his routine and stuff, it is blocked here at work and i'm going to a concert tonight, so i dont have time to look for you
VICK-IS-GOD
Footballguy
Do u really believe what someone predicts about themselves?Of course he thinks he can get 2,000 yards. So does every single RB in the NFL.he has said since december 28th hes getting 2000 yards this year"Mark it down now, next season, I will get 2000 yards for us, and that is a gurantee"i've heard it a lot lately, and if you ask him, he'll look u in the eye and tell you that he is going to get it
texansfan88
Footballguy
"We will beat Kansas City, and thats a gurantee" Chad Johnson
texansfan88
Footballguy
no one is as open about it as he is either
Chaos
Footballguy
Come on Texansfan88, I saw you here a moment ago. Quit dodging the question. Its funny that when cornered, you suddenly have prior engagments calling you.If you cannot point to specific sources for your claim that DD got "faster" just admit that you are a hopeless homer that just spouts off inane drivel in defense of your team.
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Colin Dowling
Footballguy
Correct, it was December - my mistake. However, do you remeber how that game ended? David Carr threw an interception to Samari Rolle. Thats what I'm referring to.Secondly, your statement about Banks leads me to Carr's postgame comments after Banks led the Texans to a win over the Bills, "Tony did what the coaches told him to do. When we do what we are supposed to, we can win." No, "Tony played great." No, "I'm sure glad that Tony was here today." Nothing. You want to suggest Carr is a team player, I'd like to see some examples, because everything I've seen (there's plenty more) suggests he's sour grapes when the credit isn't due to him.Your statement about minicamps is a little misleading. There is no QN pressure in mini-camp. THe entire problem I sighted is that he throwes the ball too soon after the snap because he's anticipating the pass-rush, thus forcing things that aren't there are resorting to his outlet too soon. He's not going to improve on this one until he figures out how to deliver a good pass with the knowledge that the moment the ball is gone, Mike Peterson or Keith Bulluck is going to plant him in the turf.(I'm not saying Harrington's any better.)Colin
texansfan88
Footballguy
your right i forgot about the samari thing, i was still in shock that we just lost our chance to beat the titans thanks to coleman...about the team player thing, i'm sure everyone will differ on opinion by it...maybe hes not, but he earned my respect that falcons game going out there, barely able to throw the ball and still out there doing what it took to win the gameevery throw he made, he nearly fell down just by sheer pain...it took a lot out of him to help the team, thats why i think of him as a team playerand to the guy with the wanna knwo the stats things, i already told you Houstontexans.com look at pictures from this year and last, then theres an article somewhere in the archives on davis working hard
texansfan88
Footballguy
you're right he does go to his safety blanket a lot too, but he just needs to learn to relax a little bit and he'll be fine
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
texansfan, its not that I dislike Carr or wish him ill or anything. I like the Texans as I'm forced to watch them as thats the AFC team carried in my market (Austin). My criticism relate to the following statement that I've made many times before:Of the last 7 QBs selected first overall (back to 1992 IIRC), I think Carr is the worst and destined for the least productive career. I would much rather have Bledsoe, Manning, Vick, Couch, Palmer, and Manning than Carr. Even if you want to toss our Couch, Palmer and Eli, I still wish that the Texans had gotten better value for the #1 pick. I know for a FACT from inside the Houston organization (and 2 other organizations) that Carr was #2 on most boards, and Drew Henson was #1. Henson goes to the Yankees, Carr goes to #1, and the rest is history. I'm in agreement that they should be a better team and win more games this year, but I think that this year's marked improvement will be on the defensive side of the ball.Colin
BigJim®
Footballguy
What you've seen of Hollings for the most part is what he did during his one start on the road vs. a great Jacksonville DL, with Dave Ragone (71 passing yards) at QB. If you were basing your entire opinion of DD upon what he did starting the following week behind Ragone (56 yards on 16 carries... with 15 of those yards coming on a single carry, 2 recepts for 2 yards) you'd likely peg him him as a KR as well. As for what you've heard from the Texans, and chance you can provide a link? I've seen a single article anywhere on Hollings this year year, and in that article Capers had promising quotes regarding Hollings progress, and not a single mention of KR duty could be found. I've also seen nothing at all regarding KR duty on any of the Texans message boards I frequent.
texansfan88
Footballguy
Neil Stratton from Insidetheleague.com has interviewed Capers about it before, said he'd likely take over KR duties if moses or duff didnt come through, also draft party casserly fielded questions about it and said he would challenge moses
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Interesting discussions here.First: Anyone know how Hollings' hands are?Second: Any of you Texans' folks have thoughts on these numbers:2003: 5th worst overall offense - pass attempts: 438 rushing attemots: 4212002: worst overall offense - pass attempts: 447 rush attempts: 424Third: IF you see offensive improvement from 5th worst, isn't there enough room for a bump to 430 rush attempts, and, therefore, sufficient room for DD and Hollings to co-exist in the backfield and for DD to still get "his?"
