Don Shula says the Patriots should be hit with an asterisk (1 Viewer)

[timschochet]

Don Shula says if the Pats go 16-0, they should be hit with an asterisk for Spygate in the record books. "After all, they were caught cheating," he says...

I swear, this almost makes me want to root for New England. If there's one team I hate even worse than the Pats, its those whiny group of old men from 1972. I thought that Shula was the classiest of them, but I guess not...

Look, what you guys did back then was terrific, but you are NOT the best team ever, not even close. If your team was playing today, at least two thirds of the teams would beat you 9 out of 10. Even the current Dolphin team I would give an even shot to take you out! STOP ROOTING FOR TEAMS TO LOSE EVERY YEAR! The best thing for me about an undefeated season for NE would be to finally shut you guys up, but now I'm guessing even that won't do it...

 

[Ghost Rider]

When and where did he say this?

 

[timschochet]

When and where did he say this?

Don't know..heard about it on Jim Rome just now...

 

[andy_b]

please, he is still bitter about the snow plow game.

 

[JHuber77]

If its true, the 72 Dolphins team should have an asterisk next to their record because they played less games in 1972 not including the playoff games and Super Bowl.

 

[eoMMan]

I think it'd be HILARIOUS if the Patriots go undefeated and the Dolphins go 0-16.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I think even more interesting is this:

Does Bill Belichick get coach of the year if his team goes undefeated?

I mean, if you think about it how could a coach not get that award, right? But if you also think about it, is the NFL really going to give him the award the saem year he gets caught cheating?

Personally I say he should get the award. The Patriots paid for their crime and it's over. Kudos to them for usinig it to propel themselves rather than let it take on a negative spin in terms of how they play on the field.

 

[ICON211]

Last week before the game Csonka had some comment like "No I don't wish the Patriots luck and no I don't wish the Colts luck. I hope they beat the hell out of each other and the winner loses their next game." Morris had some kind of comment like "Call me when they are on my block." As if he was going to personally kick their ###. Hate that entire 72 team. Just go away.

 

[kevthegrad]

In a related story the Patriots have issued a press release saying they believe somebody should up Shula's medication and put him back in the home he escaped from.

Hey folks, the Pats got busted for videotaping weeks ago...if you don't think every other team they were to face changed their signals the next day, you're insane. The Pats are kicking peoples butts based on talent and great coaching. Get over it.

 

[timschochet]

I think even more interesting is thisoes Bill Belichick get coach of the year if his team goes undefeated?I mean, if you think about it how could a coach not get that award, right? But if you also think about it, is the NFL really going to give him the award the saem year he gets caught cheating?Personally I say he should get the award. The Patriots paid for their crime and it's over. Kudos to them for usinig it to propel themselves rather than let it take on a negative spin in terms of how they play on the field.

That award traditionally never goes to the best coach, especially if he is already well established. It usually tends to go to a newer coach who had a turn-around season from the year before. That being said, I'm betting it will be Romeo Crennel...

 

[jpeace121]

Last week before the game Csonka had some comment like "No I don't wish the Patriots luck and no I don't wish the Colts luck. I hope they beat the hell out of each other and the winner loses their next game." Morris had some kind of comment like "Call me when they are on my block." As if he was going to personally kick their ###. Hate that entire 72 team. Just go away.

I thought they were really doucheing it up in the intro to that game.

 

[timschochet]

Last week before the game Csonka had some comment like "No I don't wish the Patriots luck and no I don't wish the Colts luck. I hope they beat the hell out of each other and the winner loses their next game." Morris had some kind of comment like "Call me when they are on my block." As if he was going to personally kick their ###. Hate that entire 72 team. Just go away.

I thought they were really doucheing it up in the intro to that game.

But this is typical of what they've been doing for years. In what other sport do you have former players actually rooting for current players to lose? These guys are disgusting.

 

[Mik789fl]

If its true, the 72 Dolphins team should have an asterisk next to their record because they played less games in 1972 not including the playoff games and Super Bowl.

O.K.then EVERY record set since The NFL went from 11 games to the current 16 game regular season should have an asterisk.

 

[JHuber77]

If its true, the 72 Dolphins team should have an asterisk next to their record because they played less games in 1972 not including the playoff games and Super Bowl.

O.K.then EVERY record set since The NFL went from 11 games to the current 16 game regular season should have an asterisk.

Well don't you think this is rediculous? Why not put an asterisk on every team who has a player that is banned for an illegal substance? When does it stop? I guess you didn't see the

 

[mad sweeney]

Last week before the game Csonka had some comment like "No I don't wish the Patriots luck and no I don't wish the Colts luck. I hope they beat the hell out of each other and the winner loses their next game." Morris had some kind of comment like "Call me when they are on my block." As if he was going to personally kick their ###. Hate that entire 72 team. Just go away.

You're mistaking what Morris said. He was saying that at 8-0 they weren't on his block yet. As is in, they were entering the city (of 16-0) but were still too far away for him to worry about it yet. I thought it was pretty refreshing to see some guys actually say what they thought instead of being political and nice about it.

 

[sts911911]

I think even more interesting is thisoes Bill Belichick get coach of the year if his team goes undefeated?I mean, if you think about it how could a coach not get that award, right? But if you also think about it, is the NFL really going to give him the award the saem year he gets caught cheating?Personally I say he should get the award. The Patriots paid for their crime and it's over. Kudos to them for usinig it to propel themselves rather than let it take on a negative spin in terms of how they play on the field.

That award traditionally never goes to the best coach, especially if he is already well established. It usually tends to go to a newer coach who had a turn-around season from the year before. That being said, I'm betting it will be Romeo Crennel...

How about Mike McCarthy? You could make a strong case that the Packers at 7-1 are more impressive than the Browns at 5-3.

 

[Bad_Mo]

Last week before the game Csonka had some comment like "No I don't wish the Patriots luck and no I don't wish the Colts luck. I hope they beat the hell out of each other and the winner loses their next game." Morris had some kind of comment like "Call me when they are on my block." As if he was going to personally kick their ###. Hate that entire 72 team. Just go away.

I'll be looking forward to the old bags sitting, circle-jerk style, with their unopened champagne bottles with a look of shock on their wrinkley pruned faces while CBS keeps showing them over and over.Its one thing to be proud of an accomplishment. Its another thing to be celebrating publicy over a team's failure to stay undefeated.

 

[mad sweeney]

I think even more interesting is thisoes Bill Belichick get coach of the year if his team goes undefeated?I mean, if you think about it how could a coach not get that award, right? But if you also think about it, is the NFL really going to give him the award the saem year he gets caught cheating?Personally I say he should get the award. The Patriots paid for their crime and it's over. Kudos to them for usinig it to propel themselves rather than let it take on a negative spin in terms of how they play on the field.

That award traditionally never goes to the best coach, especially if he is already well established. It usually tends to go to a newer coach who had a turn-around season from the year before. That being said, I'm betting it will be Romeo Crennel...

Well the league made a bit of a precedent in this regard in the off season by passing the Merriman Rule that a player suspended for enhancing substances can't make the Pro Bowl. Which ould very easily transfer into coaches fined for cheating in a season shoudn't be eligible for CoY.

 

[butcher boy]

True, his motivations for saying this reeks of bitterness, but isn't he right?

If everyone is so quick to asterisk a guy like Bonds who was never caught cheating, why is everyone so quick to forgive the Pats who WERE caught?

 

[ceo3west]

How about an asterisk for the '72 Dolpins for playing a 14 game schedule?

I'm so sick of these guys.

 

[mad sweeney]

I think even more interesting is thisoes Bill Belichick get coach of the year if his team goes undefeated?I mean, if you think about it how could a coach not get that award, right? But if you also think about it, is the NFL really going to give him the award the saem year he gets caught cheating?Personally I say he should get the award. The Patriots paid for their crime and it's over. Kudos to them for usinig it to propel themselves rather than let it take on a negative spin in terms of how they play on the field.

That award traditionally never goes to the best coach, especially if he is already well established. It usually tends to go to a newer coach who had a turn-around season from the year before. That being said, I'm betting it will be Romeo Crennel...

How about Mike McCarthy? You could make a strong case that the Packers at 7-1 are more impressive than the Browns at 5-3.

They've got a rejuvenated HoFer and a great D. Romeo is doing more with less, IMO. However I think that anyone who flips a coin for their starting QB and ends up being dramatically wrong ought to be taken out of serious consideration. I'm sticking with Marinelli so far. Especially of the KitnaMeter hits 10.

 

[Brutis]

Don Shula says if the Pats go 16-0, they should be hit with an asterisk for Spygate in the record books. "After all, they were caught cheating," he says...I swear, this almost makes me want to root for New England. If there's one team I hate even worse than the Pats, its those whiny group of old men from 1972. I thought that Shula was the classiest of them, but I guess not...Look, what you guys did back then was terrific, but you are NOT the best team ever, not even close. If your team was playing today, at least two thirds of the teams would beat you 9 out of 10. Even the current Dolphin team I would give an even shot to take you out! STOP ROOTING FOR TEAMS TO LOSE EVERY YEAR! The best thing for me about an undefeated season for NE would be to finally shut you guys up, but now I'm guessing even that won't do it...

Do you smell that? smells like fear to me. lolGo Pats!1

 

[TommyGilmore]

Did they cheat after Game 1? 15-0 is still better than 14-0.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

Shula's whole coaching career should be hit with an asterisk.

No NFL head coach had less success throughout his career with as much talent as Don Shula.

How many SBs for Dan Marino ?

 

[LHUCKS]

minimum 1000 views and 5 pages.

 

[j3r3m3y]

Did they cheat after Game 1? 15-0 is still better than 14-0.

Did they get caught cheating after Game 1? 15-0 is still better than 14-0.Fixed it for ya.

Lay off the 72 fins, all us fish fans have is the past.

 

[Bad_Mo]

True, his motivations for saying this reeks of bitterness, but isn't he right? If everyone is so quick to asterisk a guy like Bonds who was never caught cheating, why is everyone so quick to forgive the Pats who WERE caught?

I've intentionally stayed out of the NE compared to Bonds debate, because the two situations couldn't be further apart.One situation has someone getting caught, but there is no proof that the violation had a direct impact on winning games.The other situation has someone who admitted taking something, was not caught or suspended, but there is proof that the violation has a direct impact on an individual's performance.

 

[Phlash]

Did these '72 Dolphins players really think that they would be the only undefeated team ever? The Patriots aren't going to be the last undefeated team either IF they go undefeated... It almost has to happen eventually.

 

[j3r3m3y]

Shula's whole coaching career should be hit with an asterisk.No NFL head coach had less success throughout his career with as much talent as Don Shula.How many SBs for Dan Marino ?

Winningest coach in NFL history. Kids these days, no respect.

 

[timschochet]

Last week before the game Csonka had some comment like "No I don't wish the Patriots luck and no I don't wish the Colts luck. I hope they beat the hell out of each other and the winner loses their next game." Morris had some kind of comment like "Call me when they are on my block." As if he was going to personally kick their ###. Hate that entire 72 team. Just go away.

I'll be looking forward to the old bags sitting, circle-jerk style, with their unopened champagne bottles with a look of shock on their wrinkley pruned faces while CBS keeps showing them over and over.Its one thing to be proud of an accomplishment. Its another thing to be celebrating publicy over a team's failure to stay undefeated.

"wrinkley, pruned faces"? I love it!!

 

[j3r3m3y]

Did these '72 Dolphins players really think that they would be the only undefeated team ever? The Patriots aren't going to be the last undefeated team either IF they go undefeated... It almost has to happen eventually.

They very well might go to their grave as the only team to ever run the table. The Pats are good but on any given Sunday. There is a reason no other team has ever done it, and it has nothing to do with the quality of the '72 Phins. It is more about the incredible unlikelihood. Keep in mind that the Fins were assisted by the softest SOS in the history of the NFL (I know this was true a couple years ago, don't know if that has changed).It isn't the gimme for the Pats that some seem to think it is.

 

[butcher boy]

True, his motivations for saying this reeks of bitterness, but isn't he right? If everyone is so quick to asterisk a guy like Bonds who was never caught cheating, why is everyone so quick to forgive the Pats who WERE caught?

I've intentionally stayed out of the NE compared to Bonds debate, because the two situations couldn't be further apart.One situation has someone getting caught, but there is no proof that the violation had a direct impact on winning games.The other situation has someone who admitted taking something, was not caught or suspended, but there is proof that the violation has a direct impact on an individual's performance.

How does knowing the plays the other side is using not give you an advantage?Also, I've seen evidence on either side of the steroid debate on how useful it really is in terms of power, so that's debatable. If Bonds knew what pitch was coming each time that would be a hell of a lot better advantage than any steroid could give.But evidence aside (because talk of that could derail the thread entirely), both are obvious cheaters and one gets bashed while the other gets praised? Makes no sense.

 

[JAA]

If they 72 Dolphins played a 32 game schedule, they would have gone 32-0

If the 72 Dolphins suited up tomorrow, they would go 16-0 in the regular season this year.

stop the hate y'all haters, gll peas!!

 

[Bad_Mo]

The press regularly butchers what coaches and players say. I'd take it with a grain of salt to start. If Shula did say it, he's an old man now. Cut him some slack.

Yeah, they have wings in hospitals devoted to assisting guys in his state of mind.

 

[JHuber77]

Maybe Marc Ecko can then buy the Patriots and have an online poll to either

1. Banish the Patriots (send them to outer space)

2. Mark them with an asterisk

3. Send them to the Hall of Fame

Can we give this a rest already? This whole forum sounds like a broken record with these threads.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

Shula's whole coaching career should be hit with an asterisk.No NFL head coach had less success throughout his career with as much talent as Don Shula.How many SBs for Dan Marino ?

Winningest coach in NFL history. Kids these days, no respect.

I respect the man, but he should keep his mouth closed.He does hold the record for most SB losses (4)in 33 years of coaching.

 

[j3r3m3y]

Shula's whole coaching career should be hit with an asterisk.No NFL head coach had less success throughout his career with as much talent as Don Shula.How many SBs for Dan Marino ?

Winningest coach in NFL history. Kids these days, no respect.

I respect the man, but he should keep his mouth closed.He does hold the record for most SB losses (4)in 33 years of coaching.

And that is less success than the multitude of coaches who never even coached a game in January?

 

[Bad_Mo]

True, his motivations for saying this reeks of bitterness, but isn't he right? If everyone is so quick to asterisk a guy like Bonds who was never caught cheating, why is everyone so quick to forgive the Pats who WERE caught?

I've intentionally stayed out of the NE compared to Bonds debate, because the two situations couldn't be further apart.One situation has someone getting caught, but there is no proof that the violation had a direct impact on winning games.The other situation has someone who admitted taking something, was not caught or suspended, but there is proof that the violation has a direct impact on an individual's performance.

How does knowing the plays the other side is using not give you an advantage?Also, I've seen evidence on either side of the steroid debate on how useful it really is in terms of power, so that's debatable. If Bonds knew what pitch was coming each time that would be a hell of a lot better advantage than any steroid could give.But evidence aside (because talk of that could derail the thread entirely), both are obvious cheaters and one gets bashed while the other gets praised? Makes no sense.

I do agree that both are cheaters in the true meaning of the word. NE did break a rule and got caught. Bonds did but didn't get caught - technically.I don't think people are necessarily praising NE for that situation. I think most people realize that all teams cheat (a/k/a bending the rules, grey area) in some way, shape or form so they dismiss it to some degree.Back to the topic at hand...BTW, Shula's restaurant svcks.

 

[Angry Beavers]

Really? Who Cares?

What the 72' Dolphins did was 35 years ago - in an entirely different era.

IF the Pats do it, it would be amazing, not because I like the Pats, just because in this Era of free agency etc, it was though to have been practically impossible.

Why not enjoy both accomplishments for what they are? Edited: IN NE's case; Could be?

 

[taylorj99]

Did they cheat after Game 1? 15-0 is still better than 14-0.

Two things, first 17-0 > 18-1. Second, as a Dolphins fan, I celebrate the '72 Dolphins as the ONLY NFL team to have a perfect season. I don't celebrate other teams losing.

 

[Bad_Mo]

If the 72 Dolphins suited up tomorrow, they would go 16-0 in the regular season this year.

If they suited up tomorrow, they'd need NFL-licensed Depends to wear under those unis!

 

[Wingnut]

If they 72 Dolphins played a 32 game schedule, they would have gone 32-0If the 72 Dolphins suited up tomorrow, they would go 16-0 in the regular season this year.stop the hate y'all haters, gll peas!!

 

[taylorj99]

He does hold the record for most SB losses (4)in 33 years of coaching.

Marv Levy matched that in only 4 years.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Did these '72 Dolphins players really think that they would be the only undefeated team ever? The Patriots aren't going to be the last undefeated team either IF they go undefeated... It almost has to happen eventually.

They very well might go to their grave as the only team to ever run the table. The Pats are good but on any given Sunday. There is a reason no other team has ever done it, and it has nothing to do with the quality of the '72 Phins. It is more about the incredible unlikelihood. Keep in mind that the Fins were assisted by the softest SOS in the history of the NFL (I know this was true a couple years ago, don't know if that has changed).It isn't the gimme for the Pats that some seem to think it is.

By one count -- not using winning percentage, but something similar -- I've got the '70 Dolphins with the easiest regular season schedule since 1970, and the '72 Dolphins with the 8th easiest schedule since the merger.But the '72 Dolphins were clearly the best team in the league, and they beat the clear 2nd best team in the league -- Pittsburgh -- on the road in the AFCC game. Cleveland was an average team and Washington was a decent team, but far from a great Super Bowl loser. The win over Pittsburgh was very impressive, though.

 

[TommyGilmore]

Did they cheat after Game 1? 15-0 is still better than 14-0.

Two things, first 17-0 > 18-1.

Just because you cheated, that doesn't mean you forfeit.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Shula's whole coaching career should be hit with an asterisk.No NFL head coach had less success throughout his career with as much talent as Don Shula.How many SBs for Dan Marino ?

 

[j3r3m3y]

Did these '72 Dolphins players really think that they would be the only undefeated team ever? The Patriots aren't going to be the last undefeated team either IF they go undefeated... It almost has to happen eventually.

They very well might go to their grave as the only team to ever run the table. The Pats are good but on any given Sunday. There is a reason no other team has ever done it, and it has nothing to do with the quality of the '72 Phins. It is more about the incredible unlikelihood. Keep in mind that the Fins were assisted by the softest SOS in the history of the NFL (I know this was true a couple years ago, don't know if that has changed).It isn't the gimme for the Pats that some seem to think it is.

By one count -- not using winning percentage, but something similar -- I've got the '70 Dolphins with the easiest regular season schedule since 1970, and the '72 Dolphins with the 8th easiest schedule since the merger.

I think my "easiest schedule" comes from combined records of all opponents in the same year, but it has been awhile so I am not positive. Funny thing about numbers, you can spin them so many ways.

 

[Banger]

I respect what the Fins did but I feel they are fairly pathetic in their hanging onto this "title".

 

[fatness]

This is not an either/or situation. You can dislike Shula and the '72 Dolphins AND dislike Belichick and the 2007 Patriots.

God Bless America.

 

[Nigel]

True, his motivations for saying this reeks of bitterness, but isn't he right? If everyone is so quick to asterisk a guy like Bonds who was never caught cheating, why is everyone so quick to forgive the Pats who WERE caught?

I've intentionally stayed out of the NE compared to Bonds debate, because the two situations couldn't be further apart.One situation has someone getting caught, but there is no proof that the violation had a direct impact on winning games.The other situation has someone who admitted taking something, was not caught or suspended, but there is proof that the violation has a direct impact on an individual's performance.

How does knowing the plays the other side is using not give you an advantage?Also, I've seen evidence on either side of the steroid debate on how useful it really is in terms of power, so that's debatable. If Bonds knew what pitch was coming each time that would be a hell of a lot better advantage than any steroid could give.But evidence aside (because talk of that could derail the thread entirely), both are obvious cheaters and one gets bashed while the other gets praised? Makes no sense.

LOL at "knowing the plays the other side is using". All teams video tape signals. It is done legally in every game from all over the stadium. that's why teams change their signals every week. The "cheating" aspect is that the camera was on the sideline, which is against the rules. There is no decided advantage of doing it there vs. from the press box, it was just stupid/arrogant for them to do it and they were punished.eta: I'll give Shula a pass for being old and bitter. Someday I'll be that way to, like my Dad is now.