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I understand the hesitance, but I've been able to snag this guy in the late eighth round as the 30th or so RB off the board. Based on what I saw in the first preseason game...that's ridiculous value.ETA: That was in the IBL, where you only have to start one and can't start more than 2 RB's (PPR), but he was still RB28.
I like Brown but did he even get a carry in that game?
2 carries for 2 yards. 1 catch for 68 yards and a TD.
 
I understand the hesitance, but I've been able to snag this guy in the late eighth round as the 30th or so RB off the board. Based on what I saw in the first preseason game...that's ridiculous value.ETA: That was in the IBL, where you only have to start one and can't start more than 2 RB's (PPR), but he was still RB28.
I like Brown but did he even get a carry in that game?
It wasn't Brown's work that impressed me...it was Luck's. There's nobody else on that roster that's going to take a lot of RB touches, and Brown CAN catch well. He's no stud, and I'm not arguing to take him early...I'm simply pointing out that he's been overlooked and is currently under-rated even in shark like leagues.He's a guy who is likely to break the top 20 you can buy at a late 20s pricetag.
 
Another good game by Brown - even got a goal line TD, which is good to see that he's not automatically being removed at the stripe.

That said, as a Brown owner, I am going to do my best to get Vick Ballard as a handcuff.

 
Took Brown this weekend in the 8th round, primarly because of this thread. :thumbup:

Still not expecting great things, but he's a sure starting RB who will see touches. It's a PPR league and that is what mainly swung me. Thanks to those pointing out Brown's involvement in the passing game.

 
Another good game by Brown - even got a goal line TD, which is good to see that he's not automatically being removed at the stripe.That said, as a Brown owner, I am going to do my best to get Vick Ballard as a handcuff.
I'm also a DB owner trying to figure out his handcuff. Rotoworld is raving about Ballard after averaging 3.4 ypc and not scoring on two consecutive goal line carries while a healthy Delone Carter was the short yardage/goal line back in their preseason opener and he scored and picked up a big first down if memory recalls. Who's the goal line vulture to own here - Ballard or Carter?
 
Another good game by Brown - even got a goal line TD, which is good to see that he's not automatically being removed at the stripe.That said, as a Brown owner, I am going to do my best to get Vick Ballard as a handcuff.
I'm also a DB owner trying to figure out his handcuff. Rotoworld is raving about Ballard after averaging 3.4 ypc and not scoring on two consecutive goal line carries while a healthy Delone Carter was the short yardage/goal line back in their preseason opener and he scored and picked up a big first down if memory recalls. Who's the goal line vulture to own here - Ballard or Carter?
Good question - seems like it still is a work in progress. My money is on Ballard though, if only since he's the guy that that new team brass drafted while the incumbent Carter hasn't seemed to impress so far (despite the short-yardage success last week). But again, who knows right now.
 
There has been a lot of discussion about discounting Brown's 80 yard run last year against the Titans. Looks like critics will want to discount another big play; this 63 yard run after catch for a TD on Andrew Luck's first pass in the NFL. Brown has always been a good receiver and this play highlights his vision, quickness, and agility.

http://www.nfl.com/n...-first-nfl-pass
I don't think anyone is questioning his receiving ability or quickness. The issue for us fantasy geeks is whether Brown is going to get a feature back workload and, perhaps even more importantly, whether he'll be removed at the goal line.
I don't have it at my finger tips but i remember reading somewhere that his goaline conversion rate was pretty good in limited attempts???
The biggest problem I have with Brown is that he plays in Indy. Their Oline is looking pretty terrible right now and I see them passing the ball a great deal. Indy should be loosing a lot of games and Luck will be developing. I can't see many scoring opportunities for Brown given his circumstances.
Voice of Reason here
I don't know. No matter what the score is you can't just throw on every play. And with both Brown and Luck punching in TDs on the ground to erase a 14 point deficit last night (against the Steeler's first string D no less....yeah yeah, I know...pre-season), but I'm still not sure how much stock I would put into the idea that Brown's opportunities will suffer considerably because of what the score is. If Indy is trailing by 13 plus in the 4th quarter, then yeah, I can see it being a big damper on Brown, but these are just the types of situations where he just might randomly rip off a long one on a dump pass or something. So, yeah, it is a voice of reason to discuss probable situations like this, but the question is whether or not that reasoning is going to save you a wasted pick or screw you out of a nice opportunity. I agree that Luck is going to have his growing pains, throw INTs and that there will be an extra burden on Indys D this year (making it tough to get and maintain leads). But, to me Luck is actually good enough to keep Indy in the game regardless of these drawbacks. Personally, I think Brown is a good addition regardless of what the scoreboard might read.

 
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Another thing to consider, at some point if they have only won a game or 2, it is feasible that with such a young team they consider development over wins. If that's the case they would stick with more balance.

I also thought the run blocking looked ok considering it was Pitt.

 
There has been a lot of discussion about discounting Brown's 80 yard run last year against the Titans. Looks like critics will want to discount another big play; this 63 yard run after catch for a TD on Andrew Luck's first pass in the NFL. Brown has always been a good receiver and this play highlights his vision, quickness, and agility.

http://www.nfl.com/n...-first-nfl-pass
I don't think anyone is questioning his receiving ability or quickness. The issue for us fantasy geeks is whether Brown is going to get a feature back workload and, perhaps even more importantly, whether he'll be removed at the goal line.
I don't have it at my finger tips but i remember reading somewhere that his goaline conversion rate was pretty good in limited attempts???
The biggest problem I have with Brown is that he plays in Indy. Their Oline is looking pretty terrible right now and I see them passing the ball a great deal. Indy should be loosing a lot of games and Luck will be developing. I can't see many scoring opportunities for Brown given his circumstances.
Voice of Reason here
Similar logic could of led you to avoid Michael Turner in 08Ironically, Matt Ryan seems to be the consensus Luck comparison

 
Hey. Donald Brown just got a bump in my rankings. Not because he looks good, which he does, but he actually got the goal line carries vs. the steelers. The only reason I wasn't reaching for him was because I thought he would have a vulcher.

high end #2 now if that's the case in ppr. Middle of the pack #2 in non-ppr. Best thing is you can still get him cheap.

 
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Hey. Donald Brown just got a bump in my rankings. Not because he looks good, which he does, but he actually got the goal line carries vs. the steelers. The only reason I wasn't reaching for him was because I thought he would have a vulcher. high end #2 now if that's the case in ppr. Middle of the pack #2 in non-ppr. Best thing is you can still get him cheap.
Delone Carter was hurt last game, otherwise he probably would have gotten the goal line work.I'm not saying that Carter will be the vulture this year, but in the first game Carter got the goal line carry.
 
Good question - seems like it still is a work in progress. My money is on Ballard though, if only since he's the guy that that new team brass drafted while the incumbent Carter hasn't seemed to impress so far (despite the short-yardage success last week). But again, who knows right now.
I'm not worried about Ballard. Unless he's a completely different guy now. Last year at MSST, his numbers were inflated against weak opponents and he never showed up in big games against SEC defenses. I'll start worrying about him AFTER he shows something at the pro level.
 
Hey. Donald Brown just got a bump in my rankings. Not because he looks good, which he does, but he actually got the goal line carries vs. the steelers. The only reason I wasn't reaching for him was because I thought he would have a vulcher. high end #2 now if that's the case in ppr. Middle of the pack #2 in non-ppr. Best thing is you can still get him cheap.
Delone Carter was hurt last game, otherwise he probably would have gotten the goal line work.I'm not saying that Carter will be the vulture this year, but in the first game Carter got the goal line carry.
I thought they would prefer Vick Ballard who's bigger but they went to Brown twice.
 
I don't mind DB 8.01 or later. The guy just doesn't seem special. Won't run anyone over, isn't really elusive, has kind of questionable vision too. I would put him in the Mark Ingram tier. IMHO, he is the kind of guy you can spot start, but won't ever feel great about it.

 
I don't mind DB 8.01 or later. The guy just doesn't seem special. Won't run anyone over, isn't really elusive, has kind of questionable vision too. I would put him in the Mark Ingram tier. IMHO, he is the kind of guy you can spot start, but won't ever feel great about it.
Special is a subjective term. As long as he is good enough to lock up 3 down work, and has the ability to break 60 to 80 yard runs and catches like he has done in the past 8 mos., it's good enough for me. I might debate if I will start him week 1 over Jamal Charles honestly, currently he is a back up for me with BJGE.
 
I don't mind DB 8.01 or later. The guy just doesn't seem special. Won't run anyone over, isn't really elusive, has kind of questionable vision too. I would put him in the Mark Ingram tier. IMHO, he is the kind of guy you can spot start, but won't ever feel great about it.
I think your right on but there's something more to be said. He always reminded me of Matt Forte without the size/strenght. Forte isn't overly special at one thing but he consistently does everything good-great. Forte never powered people like AP or Ran around people like CJ, at the end of the year when you tally up the numbers Forte is there with 1500 yard and 7TD's. If Brown gets the goal line work he just might be the Forte of RB2's
 
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I don't mind DB 8.01 or later. The guy just doesn't seem special. Won't run anyone over, isn't really elusive, has kind of questionable vision too. I would put him in the Mark Ingram tier. IMHO, he is the kind of guy you can spot start, but won't ever feel great about it.
I was actually offered Brown $10 for Ingram $20 in a dynasty. Was seriously thinking about that deal, seems like Ingram is going to have to deal with sproles, Thomas for looks, and that cold be tough.
 
Hey. Donald Brown just got a bump in my rankings. Not because he looks good, which he does, but he actually got the goal line carries vs. the steelers. The only reason I wasn't reaching for him was because I thought he would have a vulcher. high end #2 now if that's the case in ppr. Middle of the pack #2 in non-ppr. Best thing is you can still get him cheap.
Delone Carter was hurt last game, otherwise he probably would have gotten the goal line work.I'm not saying that Carter will be the vulture this year, but in the first game Carter got the goal line carry.
Don't you think Brown's success in those looks might have an impact in the roles this fall? If Carter isn't impressing, and with his fumble history, he's vulnerable to being benched even in short yardage/goal line situations.
 
Hey. Donald Brown just got a bump in my rankings. Not because he looks good, which he does, but he actually got the goal line carries vs. the steelers. The only reason I wasn't reaching for him was because I thought he would have a vulcher. high end #2 now if that's the case in ppr. Middle of the pack #2 in non-ppr. Best thing is you can still get him cheap.
Delone Carter was hurt last game, otherwise he probably would have gotten the goal line work.I'm not saying that Carter will be the vulture this year, but in the first game Carter got the goal line carry.
Don't you think Brown's success in those looks might have an impact in the roles this fall? If Carter isn't impressing, and with his fumble history, he's vulnerable to being benched even in short yardage/goal line situations.
I hope so. But I really don't know enough about that situation to write intelligently about it. I just know that I've heard they want to use Carter in short yardage, but I don't know how much weight that holds.
 
The only reason you can really be very optimistic about Brown is if you see him as a clear, 3-down back that is getting the goal line carries. The Colts have at least two other RBs that are going to get touches - M. Moore is going to see 3rd down work for sure. They really like Ballard, too, and he or Carter are likely going to get goal line carries.

So, I think those of you assuming Brown is going to be in a 3-down, featured role are probably mistaken. The Colts D is also going to be bad again, so we're going to see a lot of passing, not so much running. Sounds like a job for Mewelde Moore, if anything.

 
The only reason you can really be very optimistic about Brown is if you see him as a clear, 3-down back that is getting the goal line carries. The Colts have at least two other RBs that are going to get touches - M. Moore is going to see 3rd down work for sure. They really like Ballard, too, and he or Carter are likely going to get goal line carries. So, I think those of you assuming Brown is going to be in a 3-down, featured role are probably mistaken. The Colts D is also going to be bad again, so we're going to see a lot of passing, not so much running. Sounds like a job for Mewelde Moore, if anything.
While I do agree that other RBs will steal touches, it will most certainly not be M. Moore doing so significantly. Moore has averaged 19 recpetions/season over the last 3 years. Brown has averaged 16. Brown was and is a very good pass-catcher (he was the 3rd down back when Addai was doing some of the early down work). Brown is also 5 years younger than Moore. Moore will see some time on 3rd downs - but hardly enough to warrent concern.Now Ballard is a different situation completely. I DO see Ballard as someone who will eat into Browns touches. I could easily see this developing into a Bradshaw/Jacobs type situation (although neither Colt is equal to the NYG example counterpart). I think anyone who snags Brown should handcuff with Ballard.
 
I love Donald Brown this season. He's the only starting RB you can get consistently in rounds 8-9. I'll draft him in every league this season.

 
The only reason you can really be very optimistic about Brown is if you see him as a clear, 3-down back that is getting the goal line carries. The Colts have at least two other RBs that are going to get touches - M. Moore is going to see 3rd down work for sure. They really like Ballard, too, and he or Carter are likely going to get goal line carries.

So, I think those of you assuming Brown is going to be in a 3-down, featured role are probably mistaken. The Colts D is also going to be bad again, so we're going to see a lot of passing, not so much running. Sounds like a job for Mewelde Moore, if anything.
I don't think anyone really claims to know what's really going to happen. The point is, Brown actually has a chance to be a 3-down back and he's dirt cheap.

He's being drafted around guys who need an injury to have that same chance. Brown really just needs to play well

Whether he seizes the opportunity or not is another matter, but he has a chance.

 
The only reason you can really be very optimistic about Brown is if you see him as a clear, 3-down back that is getting the goal line carries. The Colts have at least two other RBs that are going to get touches - M. Moore is going to see 3rd down work for sure. They really like Ballard, too, and he or Carter are likely going to get goal line carries.

So, I think those of you assuming Brown is going to be in a 3-down, featured role are probably mistaken. The Colts D is also going to be bad again, so we're going to see a lot of passing, not so much running. Sounds like a job for Mewelde Moore, if anything.
I don't think anyone really claims to know what's really going to happen. The point is, Brown actually has a chance to be a 3-down back and he's dirt cheap.

He's being drafted around guys who need an injury to have that same chance. Brown really just needs to play well

Whether he seizes the opportunity or not is another matter, but he has a chance.
I'm just not sure he has that chance. I think they want to work Ballard in immediately and they just signed Mewelde Moore and put him at #2 on the depth chart. The Colts have been a time-share situation at RB for years and they are enthusiatic about Ballard. I think those loving Brown are really looking at him with rose colored glasses.
 
Brown's value is still escaping me. Have to decide whether I keep Brown as a 16th rd pick or Marshawn Lynch as a 5th rd pick. Leaning toward Lynch but can't escape the feeling that Brown's ceiling and Lynch's expected (not ceiling nor floor) are about identical.

 
The only reason you can really be very optimistic about Brown is if you see him as a clear, 3-down back that is getting the goal line carries. The Colts have at least two other RBs that are going to get touches - M. Moore is going to see 3rd down work for sure. They really like Ballard, too, and he or Carter are likely going to get goal line carries.

So, I think those of you assuming Brown is going to be in a 3-down, featured role are probably mistaken. The Colts D is also going to be bad again, so we're going to see a lot of passing, not so much running. Sounds like a job for Mewelde Moore, if anything.
I don't think anyone really claims to know what's really going to happen. The point is, Brown actually has a chance to be a 3-down back and he's dirt cheap.

He's being drafted around guys who need an injury to have that same chance. Brown really just needs to play well

Whether he seizes the opportunity or not is another matter, but he has a chance.
I'm just not sure he has that chance. I think they want to work Ballard in immediately and they just signed Mewelde Moore and put him at #2 on the depth chart. The Colts have been a time-share situation at RB for years and they are enthusiatic about Ballard. I think those loving Brown are really looking at him with rose colored glasses.
I don't know what'll happen and I don't really have any insight into what the coaching staff really plans on doing.Thought, putting Mewelde Moore at #2 at DC doesn't sound like a ringing endorsement of Ballard or Carter. Not that that means they don't really like Ballard, just that that particular move doesn't support it.

I really don't see how the Colts' past seasons have much bearing on how they'll use the RBs this season.

Maybe they'll never give their 25 YO 1st round pick that's been improving every year a chance to really be a lead back, but that just doesn't make much sense to me.

It makes sense that Brown would get that chance and Pagano has called him his lead back.

Obviously, they'll use multiple backs, but if Brown performs (not world beating, but adequately), it seems completely reasonable that he'd get 200 carries and 25 receptions (with a chance for more on if he plays really well). Even without significant TDs, that's excellent value where he's being taken.

If you just don't think he has the talent to be adequate or if you have some insight that this is will be a full blown committee, then it makes sense not to see any value in Brown.

I just haven't seen anything to lead me to believe those things are true though.

 
Hey. Donald Brown just got a bump in my rankings. Not because he looks good, which he does, but he actually got the goal line carries vs. the steelers. The only reason I wasn't reaching for him was because I thought he would have a vulcher. high end #2 now if that's the case in ppr. Middle of the pack #2 in non-ppr. Best thing is you can still get him cheap.
Delone Carter was hurt last game, otherwise he probably would have gotten the goal line work.I'm not saying that Carter will be the vulture this year, but in the first game Carter got the goal line carry.
Don't you think Brown's success in those looks might have an impact in the roles this fall? If Carter isn't impressing, and with his fumble history, he's vulnerable to being benched even in short yardage/goal line situations.
I hope so. But I really don't know enough about that situation to write intelligently about it. I just know that I've heard they want to use Carter in short yardage, but I don't know how much weight that holds.
The talk early in OTA's was Brown was viewed as a 3-down back by the coaches. I'll admit I didn't believe because Delone Carter is a legit power back. One thing I watch for in the preseason is to see if the coaches put their money where their mouth is. The first down on the goal line was a pass, so while Brown is in you have to watch for that. 2nd down was a run that was stopped. 3rd down they went right back to Brown for a TD. On top of that he just broke off a long run and they didn't pull him. I don't have a reason to not believe the "coaches talk" now.Traded him for Rivers in a ppr league. Planning on taking him ahead of his ADP in my upcoming drafts while I wait for RB's.
 
The only reason you can really be very optimistic about Brown is if you see him as a clear, 3-down back that is getting the goal line carries. The Colts have at least two other RBs that are going to get touches - M. Moore is going to see 3rd down work for sure. They really like Ballard, too, and he or Carter are likely going to get goal line carries.

So, I think those of you assuming Brown is going to be in a 3-down, featured role are probably mistaken. The Colts D is also going to be bad again, so we're going to see a lot of passing, not so much running. Sounds like a job for Mewelde Moore, if anything.
I don't think anyone really claims to know what's really going to happen. The point is, Brown actually has a chance to be a 3-down back and he's dirt cheap.

He's being drafted around guys who need an injury to have that same chance. Brown really just needs to play well

Whether he seizes the opportunity or not is another matter, but he has a chance.
I'm just not sure he has that chance. I think they want to work Ballard in immediately and they just signed Mewelde Moore and put him at #2 on the depth chart. The Colts have been a time-share situation at RB for years and they are enthusiatic about Ballard. I think those loving Brown are really looking at him with rose colored glasses.
Colts a time share for years? No they were not. Remember E. James. Furthermore, This is not the Colts you have seen for years (since '98 when Polian took over) as they are a wholly new team today with an entirely different scheme (one that obviously suits D.Brown), with different coaches and mostly different players on both offense and defense. Forget everything about what they have done in the past, this is a new season. Just like Miami last year with Reggie Bush.

 
Brown's value is still escaping me. Have to decide whether I keep Brown as a 16th rd pick or Marshawn Lynch as a 5th rd pick. Leaning toward Lynch but can't escape the feeling that Brown's ceiling and Lynch's expected (not ceiling nor floor) are about identical.
That's a tough one. Both are expected to be workhorse backs, though. Lynch is realistically going to be no higher than the RB12-15 range and Brown will be around the RB24 range.I might pull the trigger with Brown here. A solid RB3 for 16th round pick is nothing to sneeze at and Lynch has had a lot of issues lately (back spasms, contract year falloff, TD regression, rookie QB now, DUI).
 
Indy homer here - he's been very hit and miss. He did have that screen pass he took 63 yards to the house in the first game of the preseason, but since then he's been non-existent. Without the numbers in front of me, he's generally been outplayed by rookie backup Vick Ballard. Part of this is because they've been using the preseason to get a long look at the other backs on the roster, Brown just hasn't been utilized much. He's still the starting back and will likely get 80+% of the touches in this offense. He will probably lose some short yardage carries to Ballard - Delone Carter has become an afterthought that nearly got cut.

 
As a Colts fan, I think Ballard will take a lot of carries away from Brown starting next season. Brown just isn't very good.

 
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As a Colts fan, I think Ballard will take a lot of carries away from Brown starting next season. Brown just isn't very good.
I'd also argue that Ballard hasn't looked particularly well either. Ballard was drafted in the 5th round for a reason. At his scouting combine he ran a 4.65 and ended up ranking 16 out of 25 running backs. He's pretty pedestrian.Preseason is preseason and both backs looked pretty mediocre which leads me to believe there are bigger issues at play with the playcalling and run blocking of the O line. Currently, Brown is the guy that should be drafted. He is good value for where he can be picked up as he could put up decent RB2 numbers. Brown has the opportunity.Should Brown go down, absolutely Ballard is the guy to own, but I'd be very hesistant to say Ballard is the better back of the two.
 
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As a Colts fan, I think Ballard will take a lot of carries away from Brown starting next season. Brown just isn't very good.
I'd also argue that Ballard hasn't looked particularly well either. Ballard was drafed in the 5th round for a reason. I think we need to see how they preform in regular season roles to see just how bad, and how good, each back is. It's easy to speculate based off the preseason struggles both backs had. Currently, Brown is the guy that should be drafted, regardless of how Ballard may percieved to be. Ballard's third on the depth chart FYI.
I could have sworn I read this morning that Carter was almost cut. Brown is the better back now but I think Ballard could split carries next season. We will see I suppose.
 
As a Colts fan, I think Ballard will take a lot of carries away from Brown starting next season. Brown just isn't very good.
I'd also argue that Ballard hasn't looked particularly well either. Ballard was drafed in the 5th round for a reason. I think we need to see how they preform in regular season roles to see just how bad, and how good, each back is. It's easy to speculate based off the preseason struggles both backs had. Currently, Brown is the guy that should be drafted, regardless of how Ballard may percieved to be. Ballard's third on the depth chart FYI.
I could have sworn I read this morning that Carter was almost cut. Brown is the better back now but I think Ballard could split carries next season. We will see I suppose.
Yes, seems clear that Ballard, not Carter, is the handcuff for Brown right now, but that could change. Heading into last year, Carter, not Brown, was the early handcuff for Addai - things move quickly.All that said, I don't think it will be next year for Ballard to split carries if Brown doesn't start strong out of the gate. Ballard is the guy this regime drafted (5th round or not), while Brown is the holdover.
 
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As a Colts fan, I think Ballard will take a lot of carries away from Brown starting next season. Brown just isn't very good.
Could be true, but for 2012, I read that Carter is RB#4 behind Ballard and MeMo...Ballard will likely get some looks, MeMo some 3rd down work (as the number 2), but Carter is the one people were worried about...basically, Brown is the "shinier turd" and has little of note behind him. He is a young Benson/Green-Ellis, but that is not awful for a team looking to make use of their QB. Personally, I think he is a wonderful RB to plug into a flex if he gets hot or as a bye week filler if he plods his way to 10 points/week in PPR.
 
I would probably roll out DeAngelo Williams or Toby Gerhart ahead of him this week along with the usuals but still a good play. PPR he a starter for me this week.

 
He started poorly but ran well til things got out of hand. He won't be exciting to watch, but rb20-30 seems about right still.

 
He started poorly but ran well til things got out of hand. He won't be exciting to watch, but rb20-30 seems about right still.
Yeah, he'll be a solid RB2 in the right match ups me thinks. This was not one of them.About the drops though, I hope they don't lose confidence in his pass catching abilities. This was one of the reasons I specifically drafted him in my PPR leagues.
 
He started poorly but ran well til things got out of hand. He won't be exciting to watch, but rb20-30 seems about right still.
Yeah, he'll be a solid RB2 in the right match ups me thinks. This was not one of them.About the drops though, I hope they don't lose confidence in his pass catching abilities. This was one of the reasons I specifically drafted him in my PPR leagues.
I didn't think the Bears were that tough of a matchup to be honest. If Brown had gotten a 15-17 carry workload he would have had a nice game. The Colts O-Line blew up the Bears' Linebackers on those two 18 yard runs.
 
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