Donald Driver Surgery (1 Viewer)

[ChuckLiddell]

I know arthroscopic surgery is not a huge deal, but to have it in both knees at his age, I would be very cautious about relying on him in any format, and I would love to own James Jones right now as a player with major upside this season. Jordy Nelson gets a nice tick up in value too. The job could just as easily go to him.

Just read this on rotoworld:

Donald Driver recently underwent arthroscopic surgery on both of his knees.

We don't want to go overboard, but it's realistic to believe that this could be the beginning of the end for the 35-year-old. Driver's performance dropped off sharply down the stretch of last season, and he's no sure bet to be ready for Opening Day. We strongly recommend to avoid Driver in 2010 fantasy leagues. James Jones becomes a very good bet to start games at flanker this year, while Greg Jennings' stock also gets a significant bump.

Source: Greg Bedard on Twitter

 

[Jeremy]

Even if Driver is done (and I certainly wouldn't count him out), James Jones is still the 3rd target (at best) behind Jennings and Finley. I'm not real high on him, actually.

 

[frogpond11]

possibly hurts Rodgers' stats slightly? and help Jennings' stats slightly?

 

[sho nuff]

No sure bet to be there on opening day? Was that rotoworlds drop-in? Im guessing it was...doubt Bedard would go there.

I am pretty sure it was pretty minor and if there is a sure bet to be there opening day, barring any completely unforeseen set backs, its Driver.

Though...odd why it took him til now to have something done.

I don't think it hurts Rodgers stats any. Finley has sort of taken the roll of that go-to guy that Driver was. Jones and Nelson can fill in quite nicely as well.

 

[sho nuff]

Also...when was the surgery...why is it not elsewhere, like JSoline...just through Bedard on Twitter...was this after the softball game this past weekend that Driver was at and looking just fine?

 

[ChuckLiddell]

Even if Driver is done (and I certainly wouldn't count him out), James Jones is still the 3rd target (at best) behind Jennings and Finley. I'm not real high on him, actually.

Wasnt Pierre Garcon the 3rd option behind Wayne and Clark. Even Collie had nice value as the 4th option. In an offense like Green Bay's, it is absolutely conceivable IMO that a talented 3rd option in the passing game can be an every-week fantasy starter. If you dont think Jones is talented, then thats a different discussion. From what I have seen (in my limited exposure to Packers games), he looks pretty talented to me. He has looked downright nasty in some of the highlights I have seen. I understand that those are highlights, but I am talkin' real nasty.

 

[Jeremy]

Even if Driver is done (and I certainly wouldn't count him out), James Jones is still the 3rd target (at best) behind Jennings and Finley. I'm not real high on him, actually.

Wasnt Pierre Garcon the 3rd option behind Wayne and Clark. Even Collie had nice value as the 4th option. In an offense like Green Bay's, it is absolutely conceivable IMO that a talented 3rd option in the passing game can be an every-week fantasy starter. If you dont think Jones is talented, then thats a different discussion. From what I have seen (in my limited exposure to Packers games), he looks pretty talented to me. He has looked downright nasty in some of the highlights I have seen. I understand that those are highlights, but I am talkin' real nasty.

You're seeing something in him that I'm not, I think. I think he's just an average WR at best. I'd LOVE to be wrong.

 

[perry147]

Donald Driver is so old he played when the cheeseheads were still fermenting.

Donald Driver is so old he played when mammoths roamed the frozen tundra of Lambeau field and their tusks used as goal posts.

 

[perry147]

Donald Driver is so old he played when the cheeseheads were still fermenting.Donald Driver is so old he played when mammoths roamed the frozen tundra of Lambeau field and their tusks used as goal posts.

Donald Driver so old when the doctor cut his knee open sand poured out.

 

[meanjoegreen]

Also...when was the surgery...why is it not elsewhere, like JSoline...just through Bedard on Twitter...was this after the softball game this past weekend that Driver was at and looking just fine?

Their coach mentioned it today on the packers website. packers.com

(Does Driver have an injury?)

He had postseason surgery. We've got him on the rehab list.

(What kind of surgery?)

He had some clean-up in his knees.

 

[sho nuff]

Also...when was the surgery...why is it not elsewhere, like JSoline...just through Bedard on Twitter...was this after the softball game this past weekend that Driver was at and looking just fine?

Their coach mentioned it today on the packers website. packers.com

(Does Driver have an injury?)

He had postseason surgery. We've got him on the rehab list.

(What kind of surgery?)

He had some clean-up in his knees.

Yeah...but no real mention of when it happened really.As I said...he looked fine from clips I have seen of him running around during his charity softball game this past weekend.

I doubt he would have been doing that if he was iffy to be ready for football to start the season.

I mainly just took issue with Roto saying he is not a sure bet to start the season and avoid him.

I don't think this lingers much.

Its one thing to present a downfall for the guy...but another to think a guy who takes care of himself like DD does to not be ready after something this seemingly minor.

 

[northern exposure]

Donald Driver is so old he played when the cheeseheads were still fermenting.Donald Driver is so old he played when mammoths roamed the frozen tundra of Lambeau field and their tusks used as goal posts.

Donald Driver so old when the doctor cut his knee open sand poured out.

I'd suggest you stick to the political threads in the FFA and leave the attempts at humour to others. TIA.

 

[northern exposure]

Even if Driver is done (and I certainly wouldn't count him out), James Jones is still the 3rd target (at best) behind Jennings and Finley. I'm not real high on him, actually.

Wasnt Pierre Garcon the 3rd option behind Wayne and Clark. Even Collie had nice value as the 4th option. In an offense like Green Bay's, it is absolutely conceivable IMO that a talented 3rd option in the passing game can be an every-week fantasy starter. If you dont think Jones is talented, then thats a different discussion. From what I have seen (in my limited exposure to Packers games), he looks pretty talented to me. He has looked downright nasty in some of the highlights I have seen. I understand that those are highlights, but I am talkin' real nasty.

You're seeing something in him that I'm not, I think. I think he's just an average WR at best. I'd LOVE to be wrong.

What do you think of Jordy Nelson? Do you think he is more talented than Jones or just average as well? I thought the Packers had some depth at WR for the day DD retires, but what do you see?

 

[ookook]

Every year fantasy owners bet against Driver and he gets under-valued. And every year folks who draft him get great value.

I will bet on DD based on where he gets drafted.

Speed is not his greatest asset anyway.

 

[Sabertooth]

I know arthroscopic surgery is not a huge deal, but to have it in both knees at his age, I would be very cautious about relying on him in any format, and I would love to own James Jones right now as a player with major upside this season. Jordy Nelson gets a nice tick up in value too. The job could just as easily go to him.Just read this on rotoworldonald Driver recently underwent arthroscopic surgery on both of his knees.We don't want to go overboard, but it's realistic to believe that this could be the beginning of the end for the 35-year-old. Driver's performance dropped off sharply down the stretch of last season, and he's no sure bet to be ready for Opening Day. We strongly recommend to avoid Driver in 2010 fantasy leagues. James Jones becomes a very good bet to start games at flanker this year, while Greg Jennings' stock also gets a significant bump.Source: Greg Bedard on Twitter

By some strange twist of fate, James Jones is available in my dynasty league. I may just select him with the 1.06 pick this year. Jones could be this season's Miles Austin. I've watched every Packers game since the Lynn Dickey era and Jones is the real deal. He catches that short slant as well as Jennings does. He's more physical than Driver or Jennings and he just needs his opportunity to shine. Will he get that? Not sure because betting against Driver isn't a great idea. Driver's game is all about catching and balance IMO. He's a tough little bugger to tackle in the open field and he is tough.

 

[AB in DC]

I thought that Nelson plays behind Driver, with Jones behind Jennings.

[2009 thread here.]

 

[Jeremy]

I know arthroscopic surgery is not a huge deal, but to have it in both knees at his age, I would be very cautious about relying on him in any format, and I would love to own James Jones right now as a player with major upside this season. Jordy Nelson gets a nice tick up in value too. The job could just as easily go to him.Just read this on rotoworldonald Driver recently underwent arthroscopic surgery on both of his knees.We don't want to go overboard, but it's realistic to believe that this could be the beginning of the end for the 35-year-old. Driver's performance dropped off sharply down the stretch of last season, and he's no sure bet to be ready for Opening Day. We strongly recommend to avoid Driver in 2010 fantasy leagues. James Jones becomes a very good bet to start games at flanker this year, while Greg Jennings' stock also gets a significant bump.Source: Greg Bedard on Twitter

By some strange twist of fate, James Jones is available in my dynasty league. I may just select him with the 1.06 pick this year. Jones could be this season's Miles Austin. I've watched every Packers game since the Lynn Dickey era and Jones is the real deal. He catches that short slant as well as Jennings does. He's more physical than Driver or Jennings and he just needs his opportunity to shine. Will he get that? Not sure because betting against Driver isn't a great idea. Driver's game is all about catching and balance IMO. He's a tough little bugger to tackle in the open field and he is tough.

I'm glad you're seeing that in James Jones. I have him in my dynasty league also. He just doesn't seem to get open consistently. At least that's my perception. And he's been known to drop a few, too.

 

[Jeremy]

Even if Driver is done (and I certainly wouldn't count him out), James Jones is still the 3rd target (at best) behind Jennings and Finley. I'm not real high on him, actually.

Wasnt Pierre Garcon the 3rd option behind Wayne and Clark. Even Collie had nice value as the 4th option. In an offense like Green Bay's, it is absolutely conceivable IMO that a talented 3rd option in the passing game can be an every-week fantasy starter. If you dont think Jones is talented, then thats a different discussion. From what I have seen (in my limited exposure to Packers games), he looks pretty talented to me. He has looked downright nasty in some of the highlights I have seen. I understand that those are highlights, but I am talkin' real nasty.

You're seeing something in him that I'm not, I think. I think he's just an average WR at best. I'd LOVE to be wrong.

What do you think of Jordy Nelson? Do you think he is more talented than Jones or just average as well? I thought the Packers had some depth at WR for the day DD retires, but what do you see?

I think Jennings and Driver are very good, Finley is going to be awesome, and Jones and Nelson are just decent #3 or #4 WRs. I actually think replacing Driver is a small area of need for the Packers that they may have to address in the draft one of these years.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

James Jones impressed me more as a rookie than Jennings did. Of course that was 3 years ago and Jones hasn't progressed in line with that first season of 47 catches but he scored 5 TDs last year. If he becomes the starter this year I would expect him to score in line with what Driver did last season, 70/1000/6. The question is whether he is capable of going to that star level of 80/1200/8.

Driver and Jones are each in the final year of their contracts. It sure looks like a good idea to keep the young Jones in town but will he want to stay if he can't start? Will he drop fewer passes this season?

I think Nelson is on the outside looking in as far as potential as a starter (and FF factor) but may ultimately be a more reliable player.

 

[Pipes]

Even if Driver is done (and I certainly wouldn't count him out), James Jones is still the 3rd target (at best) behind Jennings and Finley. I'm not real high on him, actually.

Wasnt Pierre Garcon the 3rd option behind Wayne and Clark. Even Collie had nice value as the 4th option. In an offense like Green Bay's, it is absolutely conceivable IMO that a talented 3rd option in the passing game can be an every-week fantasy starter. If you dont think Jones is talented, then thats a different discussion. From what I have seen (in my limited exposure to Packers games), he looks pretty talented to me. He has looked downright nasty in some of the highlights I have seen. I understand that those are highlights, but I am talkin' real nasty.

Jones has a ton of talent and has been a beast in the preseason but it's been like that for 3 seasons now. He has a ton of potential but he has been very inconsisent on the field. Two years ago he had a bum knee but last year he was healthy and still split time with Nelson as the #3 and put up pedestrian numbers in high octane offense. Jones is definitely worth taking a shot on but I'm not holding my breath that he's going to put up anything more than 500 yds and 3 or 4 tds.

 

[sho nuff]

I think Jennings and Driver are very good, Finley is going to be awesome, and Jones and Nelson are just decent #3 or #4 WRs. I actually think replacing Driver is a small area of need for the Packers that they may have to address in the draft one of these years.

I think you seriously underestimate what Jones can do.Read back on what people also said about Driver when he was stuck behind Freeman, Bradford, and Schroeder.

 

[ookook]

I am pretty confident that at some point it will be Jennings, Jones, and Nelson. Just don't think it will be this year.

I think they will sign Jones to an extension if he does about the same this year as last, but not for much $.

I suspect they will not sign Driver to a new contract.

So in a dynasty league Jones has value to pick up, but perhaps not re-draft.

 

[Todem]

I view James Jones as a future Stud once he get's his chance to start.

He is a beast. I have been sitting on him going on 3 years now...and will not let him go. He is an impressive player...big strong very good hands....star potential.

Driver is a warrior and I expect another solid value filled season out of him....but next year (2011) it will be Jones in the starters role IMO.

 

[cr8f]

His numbers dropped late last season because he was given short possession receptions. Rodgers stopped going to him down the sideline like he had earlier in the year.

Maybe his knees were hurting and that's why but I wouldn't write DD off just yet. He's a workout monster and may be back sooner than many expect.

I think Jennings and Driver are very good, Finley is going to be awesome, and Jones and Nelson are just decent #3 or #4 WRs. I actually think replacing Driver is a small area of need for the Packers that they may have to address in the draft one of these years.

I think you seriously underestimate what Jones can do.Read back on what people also said about Driver when he was stuck behind Freeman, Bradford, and Schroeder.

Jones is Boldin light with huge hands. What I mean is he is very strong and should have great RAC yards.

I know arthroscopic surgery is not a huge deal, but to have it in both knees at his age, I would be very cautious about relying on him in any format, and I would love to own James Jones right now as a player with major upside this season. Jordy Nelson gets a nice tick up in value too. The job could just as easily go to him.

Just read this on rotoworld:

Donald Driver recently underwent arthroscopic surgery on both of his knees.

We don't want to go overboard, but it's realistic to believe that this could be the beginning of the end for the 35-year-old. Driver's performance dropped off sharply down the stretch of last season, and he's no sure bet to be ready for Opening Day. We strongly recommend to avoid Driver in 2010 fantasy leagues. James Jones becomes a very good bet to start games at flanker this year, while Greg Jennings' stock also gets a significant bump.

Source: Greg Bedard on Twitter

By some strange twist of fate, James Jones is available in my dynasty league. I may just select him with the 1.06 pick this year. Jones could be this season's Miles Austin. I've watched every Packers game since the Lynn Dickey era and Jones is the real deal. He catches that short slant as well as Jennings does. He's more physical than Driver or Jennings and he just needs his opportunity to shine. Will he get that? Not sure because betting against Driver isn't a great idea.

Driver's game is all about catching and balance IMO. He's a tough little bugger to tackle in the open field and he is tough.

Too high. No one wants to take him so I'd wait.

 

[The Kerminator]

I know arthroscopic surgery is not a huge deal, but to have it in both knees at his age, I would be very cautious about relying on him in any format, and I would love to own James Jones right now as a player with major upside this season. Jordy Nelson gets a nice tick up in value too. The job could just as easily go to him.Just read this on rotoworldonald Driver recently underwent arthroscopic surgery on both of his knees.We don't want to go overboard, but it's realistic to believe that this could be the beginning of the end for the 35-year-old. Driver's performance dropped off sharply down the stretch of last season, and he's no sure bet to be ready for Opening Day. We strongly recommend to avoid Driver in 2010 fantasy leagues. James Jones becomes a very good bet to start games at flanker this year, while Greg Jennings' stock also gets a significant bump.Source: Greg Bedard on Twitter

I wouldn't be too worried about Driver's knees. He held his annual charity softball game last weekend and played in it. If he can play in that I would expect him back by opening day.

 

[Gopher State]

Donald Driver is so old he knew Burger King while he was still a prince

Donald Driver is so old he knew Captain Crunch while he was still a private

Donald Driver is so old he knew Mr Clean when he had an afro

Donald Driver is so old he recalls when the Grand Canyon was a ditch

Wow, Driver is one old dude

 

[shader]

When you're 35 and you have surgery in both knees...it's a bad sign.

 

[ninerfanatic492000]

i've always thought that the only things holding Jones back were his hands and Driver. he's a beastly RAC boldin type player with very inconistent hands. someone stated he has trouble getting open consistently..........i've never seen this

 

[The Kerminator]

More on Driver's January knee surgery

Driver said knee scopes in January fixed a trapped nerve, lack of flexibility

By Lori Nickel of the Journal Sentinel

June 10, 2010 |(11) Comments

Donald Driver not only feels great after he had double arthroscopic knee surgeries back in January -- he wishes he had the procedure years ago.

Driver was at the New Berlin Ale House Thursday night to support Packers teammate Greg Jennings for a pre-golf party. The two men, along with numerous Packers, will spend all day Friday golfing for Jennings' major fundraiser for Milwaukee Habitat for Humanity and the Greg Jennings Foundation.

Driver said he hadn’t told anyone other than the Packers staff that he was playing with limited range and flexibility as well as pain last year. It wasn’t until last Wednesday, when Packers coach Mike McCarthy admitted, when pressed, that Driver and Nick Barnett had both had knee scopes. Both players had been out of offseason practices and working with a group of rehabilitating players.

Driver said he had the knees scoped in January, right after the season ended, by team doctor Pat McKenzie. He said he hasn’t been practicing in any of the Organized Team Activities, although he is cleared to go by trainers. He said the Packers told him to take a break during on-field work of the OTAs, but stay around for team morale, so he’s been working out with guys like Charles Woodson.

“I’m on that senior citizen program,” Driver said, laughing.

All joking aside, it sounds like Driver’s 35 year old knees weren’t that fun to work with. He had a trapped nerve. He had something removed from near his left knee. And his right knee was so inflexible he couldn’t bend it at all, not for squats, not even to pull his ankle back just to do a quadriceps stretch.

He didn’t say much publicly about his knees in 2009 but said if we had noticed, at the Detroit game last year -- his knees were wrapped to keep warm. That was a typical move all season, trying to protect the knees.

“I feel so good now,” said Driver. “The trainers said, ‘you look 25 again.’ I had the scope because I want to play until I’m 40. I wanted to extend my career another 5 years."

He and his wife talked about the surgery and decided to go for it. "I should have done it years ago. I played like this for two, three years, with pain. I can jump now. I can squat.

“I didn’t say anything about it because I didn’t think it was that big of a deal. I’m fine. I feel good now.”

Driver feels he will probably practice in the mandator minicamp in two weeks.

 

[foxco]

i've always thought that the only things holding Jones back were his hands and Driver. he's a beastly RAC boldin type player with very inconistent hands. someone stated he has trouble getting open consistently..........i've never seen this

I think Jones' time will come, but not until 2011. Driver has one year left in the tank IMO, but Jones should take over after that and I see him being successful.

 

[KellysHeroes]

how many times have we seen an older player get a simple surgery.. says and looks great only to finally break down.

He wore down last and I suspect that he'll wear down even earlier this yr.

 

[sho nuff]

More on Driver's January knee surgery

Driver said knee scopes in January fixed a trapped nerve, lack of flexibility

By Lori Nickel of the Journal Sentinel

June 10, 2010 |(11) Comments

Donald Driver not only feels great after he had double arthroscopic knee surgeries back in January -- he wishes he had the procedure years ago.

Driver was at the New Berlin Ale House Thursday night to support Packers teammate Greg Jennings for a pre-golf party. The two men, along with numerous Packers, will spend all day Friday golfing for Jennings' major fundraiser for Milwaukee Habitat for Humanity and the Greg Jennings Foundation.

Driver said he hadn’t told anyone other than the Packers staff that he was playing with limited range and flexibility as well as pain last year. It wasn’t until last Wednesday, when Packers coach Mike McCarthy admitted, when pressed, that Driver and Nick Barnett had both had knee scopes. Both players had been out of offseason practices and working with a group of rehabilitating players.

Driver said he had the knees scoped in January, right after the season ended, by team doctor Pat McKenzie. He said he hasn’t been practicing in any of the Organized Team Activities, although he is cleared to go by trainers. He said the Packers told him to take a break during on-field work of the OTAs, but stay around for team morale, so he’s been working out with guys like Charles Woodson.

“I’m on that senior citizen program,” Driver said, laughing.

All joking aside, it sounds like Driver’s 35 year old knees weren’t that fun to work with. He had a trapped nerve. He had something removed from near his left knee. And his right knee was so inflexible he couldn’t bend it at all, not for squats, not even to pull his ankle back just to do a quadriceps stretch.

He didn’t say much publicly about his knees in 2009 but said if we had noticed, at the Detroit game last year -- his knees were wrapped to keep warm. That was a typical move all season, trying to protect the knees.

“I feel so good now,” said Driver. “The trainers said, ‘you look 25 again.’ I had the scope because I want to play until I’m 40. I wanted to extend my career another 5 years."

He and his wife talked about the surgery and decided to go for it. "I should have done it years ago. I played like this for two, three years, with pain. I can jump now. I can squat.

“I didn’t say anything about it because I didn’t think it was that big of a deal. I’m fine. I feel good now.”

Driver feels he will probably practice in the mandator minicamp in two weeks.

Nice article...and so much for the rotoworld blurb of it being "recent" surgery.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

More on Driver's January knee surgery

Driver said knee scopes in January fixed a trapped nerve, lack of flexibility

By Lori Nickel of the Journal Sentinel

June 10, 2010 |(11) Comments

Donald Driver not only feels great after he had double arthroscopic knee surgeries back in January -- he wishes he had the procedure years ago.

Driver was at the New Berlin Ale House Thursday night to support Packers teammate Greg Jennings for a pre-golf party. The two men, along with numerous Packers, will spend all day Friday golfing for Jennings' major fundraiser for Milwaukee Habitat for Humanity and the Greg Jennings Foundation.

Driver said he hadn’t told anyone other than the Packers staff that he was playing with limited range and flexibility as well as pain last year. It wasn’t until last Wednesday, when Packers coach Mike McCarthy admitted, when pressed, that Driver and Nick Barnett had both had knee scopes. Both players had been out of offseason practices and working with a group of rehabilitating players.

Driver said he had the knees scoped in January, right after the season ended, by team doctor Pat McKenzie. He said he hasn’t been practicing in any of the Organized Team Activities, although he is cleared to go by trainers. He said the Packers told him to take a break during on-field work of the OTAs, but stay around for team morale, so he’s been working out with guys like Charles Woodson.

“I’m on that senior citizen program,” Driver said, laughing.

All joking aside, it sounds like Driver’s 35 year old knees weren’t that fun to work with. He had a trapped nerve. He had something removed from near his left knee. And his right knee was so inflexible he couldn’t bend it at all, not for squats, not even to pull his ankle back just to do a quadriceps stretch.

He didn’t say much publicly about his knees in 2009 but said if we had noticed, at the Detroit game last year -- his knees were wrapped to keep warm. That was a typical move all season, trying to protect the knees.

“I feel so good now,” said Driver. “The trainers said, ‘you look 25 again.’ I had the scope because I want to play until I’m 40. I wanted to extend my career another 5 years."

He and his wife talked about the surgery and decided to go for it. "I should have done it years ago. I played like this for two, three years, with pain. I can jump now. I can squat.

“I didn’t say anything about it because I didn’t think it was that big of a deal. I’m fine. I feel good now.”

Driver feels he will probably practice in the mandator minicamp in two weeks.

Nice article...and so much for the rotoworld blurb of it being "recent" surgery.

Rotoworld never said it was recent. In fact, they said it was "unclear" when they took place.

 

[sho nuff]

More on Driver's January knee surgery

Driver said knee scopes in January fixed a trapped nerve, lack of flexibility

By Lori Nickel of the Journal Sentinel

June 10, 2010 |(11) Comments

Donald Driver not only feels great after he had double arthroscopic knee surgeries back in January -- he wishes he had the procedure years ago.

Driver was at the New Berlin Ale House Thursday night to support Packers teammate Greg Jennings for a pre-golf party. The two men, along with numerous Packers, will spend all day Friday golfing for Jennings' major fundraiser for Milwaukee Habitat for Humanity and the Greg Jennings Foundation.

Driver said he hadn’t told anyone other than the Packers staff that he was playing with limited range and flexibility as well as pain last year. It wasn’t until last Wednesday, when Packers coach Mike McCarthy admitted, when pressed, that Driver and Nick Barnett had both had knee scopes. Both players had been out of offseason practices and working with a group of rehabilitating players.

Driver said he had the knees scoped in January, right after the season ended, by team doctor Pat McKenzie. He said he hasn’t been practicing in any of the Organized Team Activities, although he is cleared to go by trainers. He said the Packers told him to take a break during on-field work of the OTAs, but stay around for team morale, so he’s been working out with guys like Charles Woodson.

“I’m on that senior citizen program,” Driver said, laughing.

All joking aside, it sounds like Driver’s 35 year old knees weren’t that fun to work with. He had a trapped nerve. He had something removed from near his left knee. And his right knee was so inflexible he couldn’t bend it at all, not for squats, not even to pull his ankle back just to do a quadriceps stretch.

He didn’t say much publicly about his knees in 2009 but said if we had noticed, at the Detroit game last year -- his knees were wrapped to keep warm. That was a typical move all season, trying to protect the knees.

“I feel so good now,” said Driver. “The trainers said, ‘you look 25 again.’ I had the scope because I want to play until I’m 40. I wanted to extend my career another 5 years."

He and his wife talked about the surgery and decided to go for it. "I should have done it years ago. I played like this for two, three years, with pain. I can jump now. I can squat.

“I didn’t say anything about it because I didn’t think it was that big of a deal. I’m fine. I feel good now.”

Driver feels he will probably practice in the mandator minicamp in two weeks.

Nice article...and so much for the rotoworld blurb of it being "recent" surgery.

Rotoworld never said it was recent. In fact, they said it was "unclear" when they took place.

From the OP "Donald Driver recently underwent arthroscopic surgery on both of his knees."Their title was that it was recent.

Looking on their site, the blurb in the OP is no longer there to verify...but it was in the OP.

 

[rowdywalker]

I am wondering why people think Jones is so far ahead of Nelson? Looking at stats you would think it was neck a neck. The 14 games that they both played in last season (removed the 3 games of Jones's that Nelson missed).

Nelson 22 rec 320 yds 2TD 31 Targets 1 Fum lost

Jones 26 290 3 51 0

I dont have the RAC figures on me but by those figures you could conclude that it looks like they are about even with production but Nelson has safer hands.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Every year fantasy owners bet against Driver and he gets under-valued. And every year folks who draft him get great value.I will bet on DD based on where he gets drafted. Speed is not his greatest asset anyway.

I hope he falls a few more rounds this year based on this news.Unfortunately, the value is rarely there with Driver in my Packer homer league.

 

[cr8f]

I am wondering why people think Jones is so far ahead of Nelson? Looking at stats you would think it was neck a neck. The 14 games that they both played in last season (removed the 3 games of Jones's that Nelson missed).Nelson 22 rec 320 yds 2TD 31 Targets 1 Fum lostJones 26 290 3 51 0I dont have the RAC figures on me but by those figures you could conclude that it looks like they are about even with production but Nelson has safer hands.

He's not. Some just think Jones is Drivers replacement and Nelson a better slot WR but it's just guesswork on everyone's part.

 

[PahtyTom]

Nelson is better imo

 

[shader]

I don't think anyone can honestly watch Nelson and Jones and come to the conclusion that Nelson is better. Come on.

Yeah their stats are similar, but that's because neither gets to play.

Jones has far more potential, all you have to do is watch them play and it's pretty easy to see.

 

[smackdaddies]

I don't think anyone can honestly watch Nelson and Jones and come to the conclusion that Nelson is better. Come on.Yeah their stats are similar, but that's because neither gets to play. Jones has far more potential, all you have to do is watch them play and it's pretty easy to see.

Jones has the ability to make some silly great catchs, but Nelson has better speed, and his hands are good. As a long time Pack fan, I rate Jones upside a little higher, but just marginally soLast year they were behind Donald Lee in receptions- just what gives any indication they are going to get more than 4/5 number of receptions?Perhaps this year one of them makes a move, but taking either of them as a starter is a fools game. Late round if your roster is big enough, sure. Perhaps 5% chance either of them exceed Driver this year, 10% chance that one of them equals driver. Far better odds that they end up in about the same place as last year - 4th and 6th in terms of receptions for the team.If someone is going to drink the kool aid of one of them doing something significant this year, I want them in the leagues I am in.

 

[smackdaddies]

I am wondering why people think Jones is so far ahead of Nelson? Looking at stats you would think it was neck a neck. The 14 games that they both played in last season (removed the 3 games of Jones's that Nelson missed).Nelson 22 rec 320 yds 2TD 31 Targets 1 Fum lostJones 26 290 3 51 0I dont have the RAC figures on me but by those figures you could conclude that it looks like they are about even with production but Nelson has safer hands.

He's not. Some just think Jones is Drivers replacement and Nelson a better slot WR but it's just guesswork on everyone's part.

That's my view

 

[shader]

I don't think anyone can honestly watch Nelson and Jones and come to the conclusion that Nelson is better. Come on.Yeah their stats are similar, but that's because neither gets to play. Jones has far more potential, all you have to do is watch them play and it's pretty easy to see.

Jones has the ability to make some silly great catchs, but Nelson has better speed, and his hands are good. As a long time Pack fan, I rate Jones upside a little higher, but just marginally soLast year they were behind Donald Lee in receptions- just what gives any indication they are going to get more than 4/5 number of receptions?Perhaps this year one of them makes a move, but taking either of them as a starter is a fools game. Late round if your roster is big enough, sure. Perhaps 5% chance either of them exceed Driver this year, 10% chance that one of them equals driver. Far better odds that they end up in about the same place as last year - 4th and 6th in terms of receptions for the team.If someone is going to drink the kool aid of one of them doing something significant this year, I want them in the leagues I am in.

In a re-draft league, you're right. I wouldn't want either.In a dynasty, I think Jones is a very smart guy to own. Driver will break down very soon, and I am of the opinion that having one of Aaron Rodgers targets for the next 5-7 years is a great asset.

 

[cr8f]

I don't think anyone can honestly watch Nelson and Jones and come to the conclusion that Nelson is better. Come on.

Yeah their stats are similar, but that's because neither gets to play.

Jones has far more potential, all you have to do is watch them play and it's pretty easy to see.

Jones has the ability to make some silly great catchs, but Nelson has better speed, and his hands are good. As a long time Pack fan, I rate Jones upside a little higher, but just marginally soLast year they were behind Donald Lee in receptions- just what gives any indication they are going to get more than 4/5 number of receptions?

Perhaps this year one of them makes a move, but taking either of them as a starter is a fools game. Late round if your roster is big enough, sure.

Perhaps 5% chance either of them exceed Driver this year, 10% chance that one of them equals driver. Far better odds that they end up in about the same place as last year - 4th and 6th in terms of receptions for the team.

If someone is going to drink the kool aid of one of them doing something significant this year, I want them in the leagues I am in.

Nelson had a down year last year. Hopefully this one will be better.

Just saw this on Driver...

By Lori Nickel of the Journal Sentinel

June 10, 2010

Donald Driver not only feels great after he had double arthroscopic knee surgeries back in January -- he wishes he had the procedure years ago.

Driver was at the New Berlin Ale House Thursday night to support Packers teammate Greg Jennings for a pre-golf party. The two men, along with numerous Packers, will spend all day Friday golfing for Jennings' major fundraiser for Milwaukee Habitat for Humanity and the Greg Jennings Foundation; the goal is to raise $150,000 to pay for two Habitat homes, one in Milwaukee and one in Kalamazoo, Mich.

Driver said he hadn’t told anyone other than the Packers staff that he was playing with limited range and flexibility as well as pain last year. It wasn’t until last Wednesday, when Packers coach Mike McCarthy admitted, when pressed, that Driver and Nick Barnett had both had knee scopes. Both players had been out of offseason practices and working with a group of rehabilitating players.

Driver said he had the knees scoped in January, right after the season ended, by team doctor Pat McKenzie. He said he hasn’t been practicing in any of the Organized Team Activities, although he is cleared to go by trainers. He said the Packers told him to take a break during on-field work of the OTAs, but stay around for team morale, so he’s been working out with guys like Charles Woodson.

“I’m on that senior citizen program,” Driver said, laughing.

All joking aside, it sounds like Driver’s 35 year old knees weren’t that fun to work with. He had a trapped nerve. He had something removed from near his left knee. And his right knee was so inflexible he couldn’t bend it at all, not for squats, not even to pull his ankle back just to do a quadriceps stretch.

He didn’t say much publicly about his knees in 2009 but said if we had noticed, at the Detroit game last year -- his knees were wrapped to keep warm. That was a typical move all season, trying to protect the knees.

“I feel so good now,” said Driver. “The trainers said, ‘you look 25 again.’ I had the scope because I want to play until I’m 40. I wanted to extend my career another 5 years."

He and his wife talked about the surgery and decided to go for it. "I should have done it years ago. I played like this for two, three years, with pain. I can jump now. I can squat.

“I didn’t say anything about it because I didn’t think it was that big of a deal. I’m fine. I feel good now.”

Driver feels he will probably practice in the mandator minicamp in two weeks.

 

[softball]

I watched James Jones play against the Rams last year in St. Louis. Jennings was in/out of the lineup the whole game. Jones should have lit that Rams D-backfield up but he didn't. I didnt come away impressed and I don't think he did enough to be considered a beast with this gig.

 

[cr8f]

I watched James Jones play against the Rams last year in St. Louis. Jennings was in/out of the lineup the whole game. Jones should have lit that Rams D-backfield up but he didn't. I didnt come away impressed and I don't think he did enough to be considered a beast with this gig.

I saw every game and he wasn't very consistent. Nelson was even worse last year. Neither is a beast at this point.I looked up that game and Jones had only 2 targets, Driver had 7, Nelson 5 and Jennings 4. Donald Lee had more balls thrown at him(3) than Jones did. You can't do much with only 2 targets.In preseason last year Jones was said to have the best off season but needs to do better if Driver does go down.

 

[PahtyTom]

I don't think anyone can honestly watch Nelson and Jones and come to the conclusion that Nelson is better. Come on.Yeah their stats are similar, but that's because neither gets to play. Jones has far more potential, all you have to do is watch them play and it's pretty easy to see.

Jones is a very good #3 WR in the NFL. He struggles at times when asked to be more than that. Nelson has accomplished less, but is bigger and has more raw talent. As for how this relates to fantasy, who would you rather have? A guy who's ceiling will be as a productive #3 WR on a team or perhaps a lackluster #2, or a guy who has the potential to be a legit #2? I take Nelson. I'm curious why you think Jones has more potential to be honest.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

I can't forget the preseason game where Jones made the catch, went BOOM HEADSHOT on a Denver DB and ran in for the score. If only he could do that in games that count.

 

[LawFitz]

James Jones is a beastly WR in terms of strength but is slow and has inconsistent hands, the two death knells of NFL WRs. He is a homeless Anquan Bolden at best.

 

[LawFitz]

I'll gladly take Driver late over Jennings early. That said, I think Finley is gonna steal a lot of stats from both.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

James Jones is a beastly WR in terms of strength but is slow and has inconsistent hands, the two death knells of NFL WRs. He is a homeless Anquan Bolden at best.

Not that it is the end all be all, but Jones ran a 4.54 forty. Boldin ran a 4.7+. That does not address the concern with his hands, but his speed is not a huge concern...at least not his timed speed. I think he has a few long TDs on his resume too.