Donovan McNabb & Andy Reid: a heart to heart (1 Viewer)

[Slider]

The guy is so overrated. Philly should have 2 Superbowls but he's thrown/fumbled/puked them away. It's a shame but apparently 90% of the fans must have been blinded by his athleticism. The guy is over 60% one year in his career and that was with TO. He's a marginal starter in a great O. If he and Akili were switched on draft day we would be talking about Akili here.

There is no way that this is really your opinion...sorry...

Slider is fishing...just don't take the bait.

No he isn't. Why don't you put his stats up in those 3 Championship games and that Superbowl. the guy is a choke and just in a very good system. The Eagles have won with Koy, AJ and anybody else filling in. You can forget about 2 years ago as 17 were on IR and TO was a distraction. 21 teammates went to TO's party after he was cut. That says a lot about the lockerroom.

You guys are blinded by his early athleticism. Much like the Vick lovers. fact is he has wasted every WR ever in a Philly uniform.

I've had season tix for 7 years. I've been to every training camp and preseason. I've seen more open WR''s as he dumps off to the RB or TE. I've seen an incredible amount of sacks behind a very good Oline. Couple that with his escapeability and it's absurd.

You lovers can keep on with it but the proof is in his resume'.

 

[tommyGunZ]

You lovers can keep on with it but the proof is in his resume'.

Yep. 3 NFC Championship games and a Super Bowl appearance in what, 8 years? How many of those did Philly have the previous 15 years before McNabb?

 

[Slider]

You lovers can keep on with it but the proof is in his resume'.

Yep. 3 NFC Championship games and a Super Bowl appearance in what, 8 years? How many of those did Philly have the previous 15 years before McNabb?

Pretty sure I would credit the coaching staff with that. How many before Reid and JJ? Reidhttp://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Artic...&Category=7

Hmmm, McNabb has missed a lot of games.........

 

[Pat Patriot]

I dont know why people continue to refer to Donovan McNabb as the Leader of the Eagles. Why? Because HE says so?

For 2 years Hugh Douglas has been on WIP telling everyone that McNabb has NEVER been the lockerroom leader. He is the on field offensive leader by default because he is the QB. However, the players take their lead from B. Dawkins and J. Trotter. Trotter has backed up this sentiment on his own Radio Show.

McNabb has always been a Company man. He is separated from the rest of the team because he was given his $100 million contract without much resistance where every other top player has had to fight tooth and nail for every dollar. He is not the type of teammate that goes to bat for other teammates. He is not considered "one of the guys". He has always been separate from his teammates.

Part of what makes Tom Brady a great leader is that he is "one of the guys". Maybe the difference is that McNabb came in as the #2 pick in the draft and was anointed the franchise QB where Brady earned his reputation and the respect of his teammates through his hard work in the weight room long before he became the starting QB.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Part of what makes Tom Brady a great leader is that he is "one of the guys". Maybe the difference is that McNabb came in as the #2 pick in the draft and was anointed the franchise QB where Brady earned his reputation and the respect of his teammates through his hard work in the weight room long before he became the starting QB.

I could see this.

 

[tommyGunZ]

You lovers can keep on with it but the proof is in his resume'.

Yep. 3 NFC Championship games and a Super Bowl appearance in what, 8 years? How many of those did Philly have the previous 15 years before McNabb?

Pretty sure I would credit the coaching staff with that. How many before Reid and JJ? Reidhttp://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Artic...&Category=7

Hmmm, McNabb has missed a lot of games.........

Of course you would. Reid and Co. do a great job, but the main reason they've had success is b/c they have one of the best 5 QBs in a league that is dominated by top QBs.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Philly fans deserve the reputation they've acquired.

 

[Jedimaster21]

I really don't know what else to say about this, and have found it really isn't worth arguing. Mcnabb is one of the best QBs in the league. McNabb is one of the best leaders in the NFL. McNabb trains and behaves the "right" way, regardless of the constant criticism he receives. Without him, the Eagles would not be as successful as they are, and I really hope that one day the fans realize the impact he has had on the franchise.

 

[Slider]

I really don't know what else to say about this, and have found it really isn't worth arguing. Mcnabb is one of the best QBs in the league. McNabb is one of the best leaders in the NFL. McNabb trains and behaves the "right" way, regardless of the constant criticism he receives. Without him, the Eagles would not be as successful as they are, and I really hope that one day the fans realize the impact he has had on the franchise.

And everyone was saying CPep was one of the best QB's in the league while Moss was catching those chuck-it-deeps. Now he can't get a job. When the Eagles separate from McNabb (which is approaching fast) you'll see it. The guy has been +60% ONCE in his career. He's top 5? How about his YPA? He's top 5? How about the sacks he takes? He's top 5? Geeze, what's he top 5 in?

 

[Jason Wood]

I really don't know what else to say about this, and have found it really isn't worth arguing. Mcnabb is one of the best QBs in the league. McNabb is one of the best leaders in the NFL. McNabb trains and behaves the "right" way, regardless of the constant criticism he receives. Without him, the Eagles would not be as successful as they are, and I really hope that one day the fans realize the impact he has had on the franchise.

And everyone was saying CPep was one of the best QB's in the league while Moss was catching those chuck-it-deeps. Now he can't get a job. When the Eagles separate from McNabb (which is approaching fast) you'll see it. The guy has been +60% ONCE in his career. He's top 5? How about his YPA? He's top 5? How about the sacks he takes? He's top 5? Geeze, what's he top 5 in?

W-L recordTD-Int ratioYou know, little things

 

[Game Time]

I can't understand how a guy who leads a team to 4 conference championship games, one superbowl, has the team a contender every year (with suspect wr corps at best), plays hard 110% of the time gets flack..... Guy is a great football player and makes those around him better too.... I guess Jim Kelly wasn't a good qb than either?

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

I love D Mac and I am an Eagles fan. But here are the facts about him that people are sometimes blind to.

-He has hard time making quick decisions and takes a lot of unnecessary sacks because of it

-He has missed more games then any other "top" QB

-He has had only one season where his completion % was over 60. Oh and no other QB does as many swing or dump off passes as he does.

So is D Mac one of the top QB's in the league ? Sure he is. Have the Eagles won games with out him when everyone thought the Eagles season would be over when he went down ? They sure have.

He isn't a Great QB IMO, he is a very good one and I would much rather have him on my team then not. As an Eagles fan I am very happy they drafted him instead of any of the other QB's that were available in that draft.

 

[Jason Wood]

I love D Mac and I am an Eagles fan. But here are the facts about him that people are sometimes blind to. -He has hard time making quick decisions and takes a lot of unnecessary sacks because of it-He has missed more games then any other "top" QB -He has had only one season where his completion % was over 60. Oh and no other QB does as many swing or dump off passes as he does. So is D Mac one of the top QB's in the league ? Sure he is. Have the Eagles won games with out him when everyone thought the Eagles season would be over when he went down ? They sure have. He isn't a Great QB IMO, he is a very good one and I would much rather have him on my team then not. As an Eagles fan I am very happy they drafted him instead of any of the other QB's that were available in that draft.

I think you hit the nail on the head. Donovan McNabb is a very good QB. He's not great. He's not on a Hall of Fame track. He's not, nor will he likely every be, the best at his position in a given season. He's a winner, he has become a much more decisive and productive passer in recent years [while becoming a less effective/willing runner], and is injury prone [if there's such a thing].He has played some of his worst games on the biggest stage, he DID throw up in a key drive in the Super Bowl, but he also threw for 360 yards and 3 TDs that game, as well.A winner? :( The key to the Eagles making a Super Bowl run this year: Irreplaceable in the new few years?

 

[tommyGunZ]

I really don't know what else to say about this, and have found it really isn't worth arguing. Mcnabb is one of the best QBs in the league. McNabb is one of the best leaders in the NFL. McNabb trains and behaves the "right" way, regardless of the constant criticism he receives. Without him, the Eagles would not be as successful as they are, and I really hope that one day the fans realize the impact he has had on the franchise.

And everyone was saying CPep was one of the best QB's in the league while Moss was catching those chuck-it-deeps. Now he can't get a job. When the Eagles separate from McNabb (which is approaching fast) you'll see it. The guy has been +60% ONCE in his career. He's top 5? How about his YPA? He's top 5? How about the sacks he takes? He's top 5? Geeze, what's he top 5 in?

So your position is that Todd Pinkston and Freddie Mitchell made McNabb?

 

[buster c]

-from JB's daily digest

PHI - McNabb On Eagles Drafting A QB: 'It was shocking'

Source: Associated Press, ESPN

Eagles QB Donovan McNabb had the same reaction most Eagles fans had when the Eagles first selection in the draft was QB Kevin Kolb. "It was shocking," McNabb said Tuesday in an interview on WIP-AM radio. It was the first time McNabb talked to the media since the draft day selection happened. "When you draft somebody at the position you're in, of course you have questions of 'What does that mean?'" McNabb said. "The most important thing for me is to make sure I'm healthy and 100 percent and get back out there competing and do the right thing on the field." McNabb also stated he had no ill will with the new Eagles QB Kolb. "I think Kevin Kolb is going to do an excellent job for us," McNabb said. "I'm going to try and help him as much as I can . I'm sure he's going to do great. I look forward to working with him this weekend."

Shocking, huh?

Did he not say that the Eagles needed to address the backup QB situation? If so, is the shock because of the 2nd rounder used to do what he himself recommended??

Look, the man is top 10 of all QB's in the league - I'll give him that. He is a winner - that simply cannot be denied.

But does he become unglued in heavy pressure situations? I think so. I saw Rhonde Barber bring one back 90 for a dagger in a home title tilt.

You can point to all the 360/3's you want, but a box score can be an entirely different thing that an actual clutch performance.

 

[Jason Wood]

-from JB's daily digest

PHI - McNabb On Eagles Drafting A QB: 'It was shocking'

Source: Associated Press, ESPN

Eagles QB Donovan McNabb had the same reaction most Eagles fans had when the Eagles first selection in the draft was QB Kevin Kolb. "It was shocking," McNabb said Tuesday in an interview on WIP-AM radio. It was the first time McNabb talked to the media since the draft day selection happened. "When you draft somebody at the position you're in, of course you have questions of 'What does that mean?'" McNabb said. "The most important thing for me is to make sure I'm healthy and 100 percent and get back out there competing and do the right thing on the field." McNabb also stated he had no ill will with the new Eagles QB Kolb. "I think Kevin Kolb is going to do an excellent job for us," McNabb said. "I'm going to try and help him as much as I can . I'm sure he's going to do great. I look forward to working with him this weekend."

Shocking, huh?

Did he not say that the Eagles needed to address the backup QB situation? If so, is the shock because of the 2nd rounder used to do what he himself recommended??

Look, the man is top 10 of all QB's in the league - I'll give him that. He is a winner - that simply cannot be denied.

But does he become unglued in heavy pressure situations? I think so. I saw Rhonde Barber bring one back 90 for a dagger in a home title tilt.

You can point to all the 360/3's you want, but a box score can be an entirely different thing that an actual clutch performance.

When my fellow Eagles season ticket holders get all worked up in Anti McNabb or Anti Reid vitriol, I ask them a simple question, "how many other QBs/coaches would you rather have?"The list is short, if you're objective.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

When my fellow Eagles season ticket holders get all worked up in Anti McNabb or Anti Reid vitriol, I ask them a simple question, "how many other QBs/coaches would you rather have?"The list is short, if you're objective.

Exactly, Reid and McNabb are a top 3-4 combo in the league IMO.

 

[Slider]

I really don't know what else to say about this, and have found it really isn't worth arguing. Mcnabb is one of the best QBs in the league. McNabb is one of the best leaders in the NFL. McNabb trains and behaves the "right" way, regardless of the constant criticism he receives. Without him, the Eagles would not be as successful as they are, and I really hope that one day the fans realize the impact he has had on the franchise.

And everyone was saying CPep was one of the best QB's in the league while Moss was catching those chuck-it-deeps. Now he can't get a job. When the Eagles separate from McNabb (which is approaching fast) you'll see it. The guy has been +60% ONCE in his career. He's top 5? How about his YPA? He's top 5? How about the sacks he takes? He's top 5? Geeze, what's he top 5 in?

W-L recordTD-Int ratioYou know, little things

Won-losss is as much the coach and D. You can't put that on the QB when the D was top 5 in PA.TD-Int is wonderful if you don't take a ton of sacks. He has low int's because he holds it forever and takes the sack instead.Next....

 

[Slider]

I really don't know what else to say about this, and have found it really isn't worth arguing. Mcnabb is one of the best QBs in the league. McNabb is one of the best leaders in the NFL. McNabb trains and behaves the "right" way, regardless of the constant criticism he receives. Without him, the Eagles would not be as successful as they are, and I really hope that one day the fans realize the impact he has had on the franchise.

And everyone was saying CPep was one of the best QB's in the league while Moss was catching those chuck-it-deeps. Now he can't get a job. When the Eagles separate from McNabb (which is approaching fast) you'll see it. The guy has been +60% ONCE in his career. He's top 5? How about his YPA? He's top 5? How about the sacks he takes? He's top 5? Geeze, what's he top 5 in?

So your position is that Todd Pinkston and Freddie Mitchell made McNabb?

nope, the O that made the greatest QB's. Montana, Young, Favre...Then name the QB's that were junk until the WCO. Gannon? how did Beurelein do his couple years in Carolina? Plummer spike his numbers in it? How bout Bono? Grbac?

how would all of them do in another O?

 

[buster c]

When my fellow Eagles season ticket holders get all worked up in Anti McNabb or Anti Reid vitriol, I ask them a simple question, "how many other QBs/coaches would you rather have?"The list is short, if you're objective.

Exactly, Reid and McNabb are a top 3-4 combo in the league IMO.

I'd include them on the short list that includes:belichick/bradydungy/manningpayton/breesshanahan/cutlerholmgren/hasselbacklewis/palmerin no particular order

 

[thayman]

I really don't know what else to say about this, and have found it really isn't worth arguing. Mcnabb is one of the best QBs in the league. McNabb is one of the best leaders in the NFL. McNabb trains and behaves the "right" way, regardless of the constant criticism he receives. Without him, the Eagles would not be as successful as they are, and I really hope that one day the fans realize the impact he has had on the franchise.

And everyone was saying CPep was one of the best QB's in the league while Moss was catching those chuck-it-deeps. Now he can't get a job. When the Eagles separate from McNabb (which is approaching fast) you'll see it. The guy has been +60% ONCE in his career. He's top 5? How about his YPA? He's top 5? How about the sacks he takes? He's top 5? Geeze, what's he top 5 in?

W-L recordTD-Int ratio

You know, little things

Won-losss is as much the coach and D. You can't put that on the QB when the D was top 5 in PA.TD-Int is wonderful if you don't take a ton of sacks. He has low int's because he holds it forever and takes the sack instead.

Next....

JMHO I'd rather my QB take a sack than throw a INT.

 

[TheLastDispatch]

I really don't know what else to say about this, and have found it really isn't worth arguing. Mcnabb is one of the best QBs in the league. McNabb is one of the best leaders in the NFL. McNabb trains and behaves the "right" way, regardless of the constant criticism he receives. Without him, the Eagles would not be as successful as they are, and I really hope that one day the fans realize the impact he has had on the franchise.

And everyone was saying CPep was one of the best QB's in the league while Moss was catching those chuck-it-deeps. Now he can't get a job. When the Eagles separate from McNabb (which is approaching fast) you'll see it. The guy has been +60% ONCE in his career. He's top 5? How about his YPA? He's top 5? How about the sacks he takes? He's top 5? Geeze, what's he top 5 in?

W-L recordTD-Int ratio

You know, little things

Won-losss is as much the coach and D. You can't put that on the QB when the D was top 5 in PA.TD-Int is wonderful if you don't take a ton of sacks. He has low int's because he holds it forever and takes the sack instead.

Next....

JMHO I'd rather my QB take a sack than throw a INT.

Besides that, I think McNabb has something like the second highest career TD-INT ratio all time for QBs that have been starters for more than a season or two. I don't know the number of times he's been sacked, but I doubt it's second all time.

 

[renesauz]

He also has the most 40+ yard pass plays over the last 5 years...not too shabby for a guy who does nothing but "dink and dunk" as somebody in here puported.

Look, my personal opinion is that he's one of the top 3-4 QB's in the league...BUT that's my opinion, and I can see where some wouldn't place him that high. To place him anywhere outside the top 8 or 9 is unreasonable.

As far as injuries...while it's dissapointing to have your franchise QB miss significant time 3 times in 5 years...look at the injuries.

Broken leg (in the first quarter...played the whole game and got the W)

sports hernia

relatively minor acl tear (not a total blowout of the knee)

these are flukey, and unrelated injuries. I don't think DMac is any more "injury prone" then the average QB.

 

[Slider]

I really don't know what else to say about this, and have found it really isn't worth arguing. Mcnabb is one of the best QBs in the league. McNabb is one of the best leaders in the NFL. McNabb trains and behaves the "right" way, regardless of the constant criticism he receives. Without him, the Eagles would not be as successful as they are, and I really hope that one day the fans realize the impact he has had on the franchise.

And everyone was saying CPep was one of the best QB's in the league while Moss was catching those chuck-it-deeps. Now he can't get a job. When the Eagles separate from McNabb (which is approaching fast) you'll see it. The guy has been +60% ONCE in his career. He's top 5? How about his YPA? He's top 5? How about the sacks he takes? He's top 5? Geeze, what's he top 5 in?

W-L recordTD-Int ratio

You know, little things

Won-losss is as much the coach and D. You can't put that on the QB when the D was top 5 in PA.TD-Int is wonderful if you don't take a ton of sacks. He has low int's because he holds it forever and takes the sack instead.

Next....

JMHO I'd rather my QB take a sack than throw a INT.

Besides that, I think McNabb has something like the second highest career TD-INT ratio all time for QBs that have been starters for more than a season or two. I don't know the number of times he's been sacked, but I doubt it's second all time.

Ummm, how about throwing it to the checkdown or throwing it away? I believe it was something like one sack in every 6 plays with him and one in every 17 with the other guy. And yes, he's probably top 5 in sacks taken. Just like Vick, all his WR's, no matter where drafted suck. TO was the only one who didn't and he complained about him.

 

[cstu]

Philly fans deserve the reputation they've acquired.

What I hope for is that McNabb gets traded so the Eagles go back to the 3-13 team they were before he got there.

 

[thayman]

I really don't know what else to say about this, and have found it really isn't worth arguing. Mcnabb is one of the best QBs in the league. McNabb is one of the best leaders in the NFL. McNabb trains and behaves the "right" way, regardless of the constant criticism he receives. Without him, the Eagles would not be as successful as they are, and I really hope that one day the fans realize the impact he has had on the franchise.

And everyone was saying CPep was one of the best QB's in the league while Moss was catching those chuck-it-deeps. Now he can't get a job. When the Eagles separate from McNabb (which is approaching fast) you'll see it. The guy has been +60% ONCE in his career. He's top 5? How about his YPA? He's top 5? How about the sacks he takes? He's top 5? Geeze, what's he top 5 in?

W-L recordTD-Int ratio

You know, little things

Won-losss is as much the coach and D. You can't put that on the QB when the D was top 5 in PA.TD-Int is wonderful if you don't take a ton of sacks. He has low int's because he holds it forever and takes the sack instead.

Next....

JMHO I'd rather my QB take a sack than throw a INT.

Besides that, I think McNabb has something like the second highest career TD-INT ratio all time for QBs that have been starters for more than a season or two. I don't know the number of times he's been sacked, but I doubt it's second all time.

Ummm, how about throwing it to the checkdown or throwing it away? I believe it was something like one sack in every 6 plays with him and one in every 17 with the other guy. And yes, he's probably top 5 in sacks taken. Just like Vick, all his WR's, no matter where drafted suck. TO was the only one who didn't and he complained about him.

Oh I see...I thought the perception was that he dumped it off TOO much. My point is I'd much rather have the QB on my team take a sack than force it and throw a INT. I'm a Skins fan and have seen McNabb play a bit over the years, I don't think he's the best QB but he is far better than most people in this thread are giving him credit for. The bottom line is over the past few years, and right now the Eagles are far better with him than with out him.

 

[Jedimaster21]

I really don't know what else to say about this, and have found it really isn't worth arguing. Mcnabb is one of the best QBs in the league. McNabb is one of the best leaders in the NFL. McNabb trains and behaves the "right" way, regardless of the constant criticism he receives. Without him, the Eagles would not be as successful as they are, and I really hope that one day the fans realize the impact he has had on the franchise.

And everyone was saying CPep was one of the best QB's in the league while Moss was catching those chuck-it-deeps. Now he can't get a job. When the Eagles separate from McNabb (which is approaching fast) you'll see it. The guy has been +60% ONCE in his career. He's top 5? How about his YPA? He's top 5? How about the sacks he takes? He's top 5? Geeze, what's he top 5 in?

W-L record

TD-Int ratio

You know, little things

Won-losss is as much the coach and D. You can't put that on the QB when the D was top 5 in PA.

TD-Int is wonderful if you don't take a ton of sacks. He has low int's because he holds it forever and takes the sack instead.

Next....

I am going to bold my response due to the formatting...

I know you seem to be bitter about McNabb for some reason, but you just don't seem to be looking at him objectively. Disregard what I have said in my previous posts, and ignore my "opinion". Your statements still just don't add up. I took a look at McNabbs # of sacks last season (mind you it is only one season), and he definitely does NOT take more sacks than the average QB. He took 21 sacks in 10 games, which equates to 33.6 over 16 games. Players that took around the same amount or more: Tom Brady-26, Philip Rivers-27, Pennington-30, Hasselbeck-34, Alex Smith-35, Carson Palmer-36, David Carr-41, Vick-45, Big Ben-46, Losman-47, Bulger-49. He really doesn't take that many sacks. You have already admitted, and it is common knowledge that McNabb has one of the best interception percentages in NFL history. So if last season, he didn't throw interceptions, and didn't take more sacks than the average QB (actually less), I'm not sure where you are getting your info.

Also, the QB has just as much to do with a team's winning percentage than the coaches/defense. You can't take away McNabb's career winning percentage away from him because he has Reid, any more than you can take Reid's away from him because he has McNabb.

I really don't know what else to say about this, and have found it really isn't worth arguing. Mcnabb is one of the best QBs in the league. McNabb is one of the best leaders in the NFL. McNabb trains and behaves the "right" way, regardless of the constant criticism he receives. Without him, the Eagles would not be as successful as they are, and I really hope that one day the fans realize the impact he has had on the franchise.

And everyone was saying CPep was one of the best QB's in the league while Moss was catching those chuck-it-deeps. Now he can't get a job. When the Eagles separate from McNabb (which is approaching fast) you'll see it. The guy has been +60% ONCE in his career. He's top 5? How about his YPA? He's top 5? How about the sacks he takes? He's top 5? Geeze, what's he top 5 in?

So your position is that Todd Pinkston and Freddie Mitchell made McNabb?

nope, the O that made the greatest QB's. Montana, Young, Favre...

Then name the QB's that were junk until the WCO. Gannon? how did Beurelein do his couple years in Carolina? Plummer spike his numbers in it? How bout Bono? Grbac?

how would all of them do in another O?

So your argument is that because those QBs had late success in the WCO, McNabb is a product of the system? It doesn't matter that he has never had better than average WR or a dominant running game? He isn't the reason for that success, right?

All the players you are speaking of had a talented cast around them, and they were able to feed off the system to create success. McNabb has never had that talent around him until recently (which is why the passing numbers that seem so important to you have gone up in recent years), but he still managed to win games and run a successful offense.

I really don't know what else to say about this, and have found it really isn't worth arguing. Mcnabb is one of the best QBs in the league. McNabb is one of the best leaders in the NFL. McNabb trains and behaves the "right" way, regardless of the constant criticism he receives. Without him, the Eagles would not be as successful as they are, and I really hope that one day the fans realize the impact he has had on the franchise.

And everyone was saying CPep was one of the best QB's in the league while Moss was catching those chuck-it-deeps. Now he can't get a job. When the Eagles separate from McNabb (which is approaching fast) you'll see it. The guy has been +60% ONCE in his career. He's top 5? How about his YPA? He's top 5? How about the sacks he takes? He's top 5? Geeze, what's he top 5 in?

W-L record

TD-Int ratio

You know, little things

Won-losss is as much the coach and D. You can't put that on the QB when the D was top 5 in PA.

TD-Int is wonderful if you don't take a ton of sacks. He has low int's because he holds it forever and takes the sack instead.

Next....

JMHO I'd rather my QB take a sack than throw a INT.

Besides that, I think McNabb has something like the second highest career TD-INT ratio all time for QBs that have been starters for more than a season or two. I don't know the number of times he's been sacked, but I doubt it's second all time.

Ummm, how about throwing it to the checkdown or throwing it away? I believe it was something like one sack in every 6 plays with him and one in every 17 with the other guy.

And yes, he's probably top 5 in sacks taken. Just like Vick, all his WR's, no matter where drafted suck. TO was the only one who didn't and he complained about him.

Stop throwing stats out there that are not accurate to make your points. You are really backing yourself into a corner with this argument. Have you noticed you are the only one trying to validate that McNabb is a mediocre QB and is a product of the system?

I want to take one last look at your contentions regarding McNabb...

1. He is not an accurate passer.

-He may not be as accurate as Manning or Palmer, but he actually has a higher career completion percentage than Marino, Elway, Moon, Phil Simms, Bledsoe, and is within 3 percentage points of Tom Brady.

2. He takes too many sacks.

-see above info

3. He isn't able to make big plays and has a mediocre YPA.

-The last 4 seasons he has had a 7.6 YPA average, which is very good. He actually had an adjusted yards per pass of 8.09 in 2006 and 8.16 in 2004, which was top 3 both years (see profootballreference.com).

Bottom line: I am usually respectful when I post and give people the benefit of the doubt, but I am tired of people pointing out McNabb's weaknesses and ignoring all that he does on the football field and off of it. Every player has holes in his game, but the players that are able to negate their weaknesses with their strengths are successful. Open your eyes, buddy.

 

[TheLastDispatch]

Jedimaster.

Unfortunately, I think you're wasting your time. Rush...ahem...Slider isn't going to like McNabb no matter what logic, reason, or numbers prove. There's no objectivity at all, it's just unprecedented hate.

 

[Slider]

You're nuts. He's in a WCO. I'm not a big Elway fan buut he probably threw for 60%+ in a WCO. He also won his only SB's then. I'm sure Favre, Montana, and Young (real WCO QB's) were above 60%. Heck I would imagine Hasselbeck is. McNabb is more like Plummer when it comes to QB than anything great. He's never thrown for 4,000 yards (in a pass happy O) and takes a ton of sacks. You conveniently left out that part. Why don't you compare him to modern day QB's and see what you got.

He's an average QB that chokes. He's not top 5 anything.

 

[Slider]

Jedimaster.Unfortunately, I think you're wasting your time. Rush...ahem...Slider isn't going to like McNabb no matter what logic, reason, or numbers prove. There's no objectivity at all, it's just unprecedented hate.

Hate? Rush? There's no need for that. I'm an Eagles fan who has an opinion on a QB I've watched his entire career. I make up NOTHING. And give me his stats in the 3 Championship losses and the SB. It's pathetic. And he puked to boot.

 

[Dolfan34]

I'd include them on the short list that includes:belichick/bradydungy/manningpayton/breesshanahan/cutlerholmgren/hasselbacklewis/palmerin no particular order

payton/brees is still to early to tell, but i probably would agree.. but the lewis/palmer i just don't understand. palmer is a very good qb, but i would put reid way over lewis so...

 

[thayman]

You're nuts. He's in a WCO. I'm not a big Elway fan buut he probably threw for 60%+ in a WCO. He also won his only SB's then. I'm sure Favre, Montana, and Young (real WCO QB's) were above 60%. Heck I would imagine Hasselbeck is. McNabb is more like Plummer when it comes to QB than anything great. He's never thrown for 4,000 yards (in a pass happy O) and takes a ton of sacks. You conveniently left out that part. Why don't you compare him to modern day QB's and see what you got. He's an average QB that chokes. He's not top 5 anything.

Only a Eagles fan could complain about his team's QB by comparing him to Elway, Favre, Montana, and Young.

 

[Jedimaster21]

You're nuts. He's in a WCO. I'm not a big Elway fan buut he probably threw for 60%+ in a WCO. He also won his only SB's then. I'm sure Favre, Montana, and Young (real WCO QB's) were above 60%. Heck I would imagine Hasselbeck is. McNabb is more like Plummer when it comes to QB than anything great. He's never thrown for 4,000 yards (in a pass happy O) and takes a ton of sacks. You conveniently left out that part. Why don't you compare him to modern day QB's and see what you got. He's an average QB that chokes. He's not top 5 anything.

Please stop saying the same things over and over. Just because you want something to be true, and you say it's true 20 times, doesn't make it true. If you would like to address my individual points in the above post I would love to hear what you have to say. You said he is in a WCO and that is the reason for his success. I addressed that already.You already said that he takes a lot of sacks. Disproved that statement as well.I compared him to many modern day QBs, including Brady. Is a 2006 analysis of sacks taken not modern? You need new material. You are getting owned by everyone posting in this thread.

 

[Jedimaster21]

Jedimaster.Unfortunately, I think you're wasting your time. Rush...ahem...Slider isn't going to like McNabb no matter what logic, reason, or numbers prove. There's no objectivity at all, it's just unprecedented hate.

Hate? Rush? There's no need for that. I'm an Eagles fan who has an opinion on a QB I've watched his entire career. I make up NOTHING. And give me his stats in the 3 Championship losses and the SB. It's pathetic. And he puked to boot.

He has a 59.4 percentage in playoff games, and has thrown 18 TDs and 12 interceptions. His winning percentage is 58%. He also had a better game in the 2004 Superbowl statistically than ANY QB that faced that Patriots defense all year...30 for 51, 357 yards, 3 Tds and 3 interceptions. We're not talking about an average defense here, buddy. You may not think you are making things up, but your perception of McNabb just doesn't follow the numbers.

 

[fatness]

You need new material. You are getting owned by everyone posting in this thread.

Hey, he's backed by solid statistics.

 

[Jedimaster21]

(I thought I would beat Slider to his next post)

You're just plain nuts. McNabb takes too many sacks, he threw up in the Superbowl, and his selfish attitude hurts the team in every way. He is only good because of the offensive system he is in, and has minimal talent. In fact, he is probably the worst QB from the 1999 draft, and if Couch, Akili, or Cade went to the Eagles, they would be better players. I have watched every game he has ever played, and he just plain stinks.