Assuming Denver doesn't get Manning, yes. Even if he is with Tebow his value takes a big jump with the move. As a J Stew owner who is losing his patience I'll take that. Might even prefer that to the Jets.Stuck behind another goal line vulture QBI see Denver making a play for JStew. Fox knows him, also need someone to upgrade at RB since McGahee is getting old. Not to mention that Knowshon Moreno days are numbered in Denver IMO.![]()
Haven't had the time to check in each day with what's going but what is Benson's deal? If he a FA and they aren't interested? did they cut him?Stewart to Cinci would make a lot of sense for both sides IMO.
News like this has been out there on twitter for the past week or so.'Couch Potato said:Ha! I beat Rotoworld by an hour and 2 minutes. LOL. This just in...
Jonathan Stewart - RB - PanthersESPN's Pat Yasinskas agrees that Jonathan Stewart is more likely to become trade bait than DeAngelo Williams if the Panthers sign free agent Mike Tolbert.This possibility was first floated by the Charlotte Observer, and Yasinskas is a trusted voice as a former Panthers beat reporter. Stewart is entering a contract year, and the Panthers probably won't be able to retain both him and the overpaid Williams behind 2012. If the Panthers do shop Stewart before April's draft, they shouldn't settle for any less than a second-round pick.Source: ESPN.comMar 18 - 9:44 PM
What you probably want to assume is that Manning will likely earn about $23M this year in some form or fashion and you can slice and dice the rest of it up some other way. So it looks as if Denver still has a lot of room and its being kicked around that a play for Wallace could happen. a trade for Stewart. Dallas Clark is alaways an option now.This could get rediculous really quickly.Whoa, what?
Broncos vice president of football operations John Elway and Manning first discussed the parameters of a five-year, $95 million contract during their March 9 meeting in Denver, the first time the former Indianapolis Colts quarte ...
Does that not seem like a lot of money? I would assume very little of that is guaranteed.
Brady makes $18M/year so this would just edge that... perhaps intentionally.
Benson's a free agent. The Bengals have shown 0 interest in bringing him back (he has become quite frequent in his complaints about wanting more carries - but he was something like 6th or so in carries last year). His average is unimpressive and the team wants to go more RBBC anyway. The last couple of years haven't been as productive for him.-QGHaven't had the time to check in each day with what's going but what is Benson's deal? If he a FA and they aren't interested? did they cut him?Stewart to Cinci would make a lot of sense for both sides IMO.
Makes sense. While the fantasy community is up in arms about it, from a real life NFL standpoint it's a great situation to be in for the Panthers this year.I'm sure they'll deal with whatever the ramifications are next year when the time comes.Report: Panthers 'unlikely' to trade Stewart "Multiple team sources" tell the Charlotte Observer that Jonathan Stewart is "unlikely" to be traded despite the Panthers' addition of Mike Tolbert.The Panthers will face a tough decision when Stewart enters 2013 free agency, but for now they're poised to keep him along with DeAngelo Williams and Tolbert. Tolbert will likely shoulder some of the load on passing downs, and cover kicks on special teams. Stewart and Williams will be the primary backs. The Panthers could consider cutting Williams and re-signing Stewart next offseason, although releasing DeAngelo would cause a roughly $5 million cap hit in 2013
That's why I think they do. Keeping them both also protects them in case one gets a major injury.Report: Panthers 'unlikely' to trade Stewart "Multiple team sources" tell the Charlotte Observer that Jonathan Stewart is "unlikely" to be traded despite the Panthers' addition of Mike Tolbert.
The Panthers will face a tough decision when Stewart enters 2013 free agency, but for now they're poised to keep him along with DeAngelo Williams and Tolbert. Tolbert will likely shoulder some of the load on passing downs, and cover kicks on special teams. Stewart and Williams will be the primary backs. The Panthers could consider cutting Williams and re-signing Stewart next offseason, although releasing DeAngelo would cause a roughly $5 million cap hit in 2013
I don't know. There's still only 1 football and now another mouth to feed (and not cheap ones) and a rushing QB.Makes sense. While the fantasy community is up in arms about it, from a real life NFL standpoint it's a great situation to be in for the Panthers this year.I'm sure they'll deal with whatever the ramifications are next year when the time comes.Report: Panthers 'unlikely' to trade Stewart "Multiple team sources" tell the Charlotte Observer that Jonathan Stewart is "unlikely" to be traded despite the Panthers' addition of Mike Tolbert.The Panthers will face a tough decision when Stewart enters 2013 free agency, but for now they're poised to keep him along with DeAngelo Williams and Tolbert. Tolbert will likely shoulder some of the load on passing downs, and cover kicks on special teams. Stewart and Williams will be the primary backs. The Panthers could consider cutting Williams and re-signing Stewart next offseason, although releasing DeAngelo would cause a roughly $5 million cap hit in 2013
That's what I said in my original post, that I'd seen in in places over the last week or so. All I was saying in this post is that I beat Rotoworld at passing it along to the general masses here. I never suggested I was breaking anything new or that it was my original idea.News like this has been out there on twitter for the past week or so.'Couch Potato said:Ha! I beat Rotoworld by an hour and 2 minutes. LOL. This just in...
Jonathan Stewart - RB - PanthersESPN's Pat Yasinskas agrees that Jonathan Stewart is more likely to become trade bait than DeAngelo Williams if the Panthers sign free agent Mike Tolbert.This possibility was first floated by the Charlotte Observer, and Yasinskas is a trusted voice as a former Panthers beat reporter. Stewart is entering a contract year, and the Panthers probably won't be able to retain both him and the overpaid Williams behind 2012. If the Panthers do shop Stewart before April's draft, they shouldn't settle for any less than a second-round pick.Source: ESPN.comMar 18 - 9:44 PM
hasn't he produced every time he's given the opportunity? Doesn't he have measurables as good as Trent Richardson? I would think a team would come up with a 2nd rounder for him easily. But RBs are devalued for sure.Maybe the Panthers need all these RB's because they are moving to Wishbone offense next year?!Concur with those folks suggesting Denver. Fox knows him from being in Carolina. He's a fantastic receiver out of the backfield when given the chance. He's a power RB as well (the type that Fox loves). AND, Denver is in dire need of a young feature runner. I think his value probably falls around a 3rd round draft pick. Can't envision any team trading a 2nd rounder when the league devalues RB's in the draft anyway.
The most I see Stewart going for is a 3rd. I don't see what the motivation for Car to trade him would be. Williams is likely gone next year so what, their just going to let both Stewart and Williams walk in back to back years?hasn't he produced every time he's given the opportunity? Doesn't he have measurables as good as Trent Richardson? I would think a team would come up with a 2nd rounder for him easily. But RBs are devalued for sure.Maybe the Panthers need all these RB's because they are moving to Wishbone offense next year?!Concur with those folks suggesting Denver. Fox knows him from being in Carolina. He's a fantastic receiver out of the backfield when given the chance. He's a power RB as well (the type that Fox loves). AND, Denver is in dire need of a young feature runner. I think his value probably falls around a 3rd round draft pick. Can't envision any team trading a 2nd rounder when the league devalues RB's in the draft anyway.
This isn't just a "guy." He has looked like a superstar. So I don't believe a third round pick would get it done. Plus, his contract is relatively cheap.hasn't he produced every time he's given the opportunity? Doesn't he have measurables as good as Trent Richardson? I would think a team would come up with a 2nd rounder for him easily. But RBs are devalued for sure.Maybe the Panthers need all these RB's because they are moving to Wishbone offense next year?!Concur with those folks suggesting Denver. Fox knows him from being in Carolina. He's a fantastic receiver out of the backfield when given the chance. He's a power RB as well (the type that Fox loves). AND, Denver is in dire need of a young feature runner. I think his value probably falls around a 3rd round draft pick. Can't envision any team trading a 2nd rounder when the league devalues RB's in the draft anyway.
Stewart would have no leverage.I am thinking if Car keeps Stewart on his rookie deal he holds out and tries force a trade. Basically Car signed an insurance policy and Stew has zippo. Can't see how his agent lets him play on the last year of a rookie deal when his "replacement" is already there.
Exactly. Having guys like DWill and Stewart on the same team irk the fantasy world, but make sense football-wise. Having Stewart, DWill, Goodson and Tolbert on the same team is putting way too many eggs in one basket, when they have needs in other areas. They have secondary issues and WR needs that have to be addressed if they want to be on the positive side of .500.I don't know. There's still only 1 football and now another mouth to feed (and not cheap ones) and a rushing QB.Makes sense. While the fantasy community is up in arms about it, from a real life NFL standpoint it's a great situation to be in for the Panthers this year.I'm sure they'll deal with whatever the ramifications are next year when the time comes.Report: Panthers 'unlikely' to trade Stewart "Multiple team sources" tell the Charlotte Observer that Jonathan Stewart is "unlikely" to be traded despite the Panthers' addition of Mike Tolbert.The Panthers will face a tough decision when Stewart enters 2013 free agency, but for now they're poised to keep him along with DeAngelo Williams and Tolbert. Tolbert will likely shoulder some of the load on passing downs, and cover kicks on special teams. Stewart and Williams will be the primary backs. The Panthers could consider cutting Williams and re-signing Stewart next offseason, although releasing DeAngelo would cause a roughly $5 million cap hit in 2013
I think what everyone forgets is that any team trading for him will likely wind up signing him to a long term contract to be their feature guy. It's why I suggested his "value" would be around a 3rd round pick. Stud potential aside. Giving up a 2nd rounder AND paying him a big money deal isn't going to happen for any franchise that acquires him. I'm not saying CAR WILL trade him, but if they do I don't see it being at the value of a 2nd round pick.FWIW, I'm a big fan of Stewart's. So, don't interpret my comments to mean I'm a JStew hater.This isn't just a "guy." He has looked like a superstar. So I don't believe a third round pick would get it done. Plus, his contract is relatively cheap.hasn't he produced every time he's given the opportunity? Doesn't he have measurables as good as Trent Richardson? I would think a team would come up with a 2nd rounder for him easily. But RBs are devalued for sure.Maybe the Panthers need all these RB's because they are moving to Wishbone offense next year?!Concur with those folks suggesting Denver. Fox knows him from being in Carolina. He's a fantastic receiver out of the backfield when given the chance. He's a power RB as well (the type that Fox loves). AND, Denver is in dire need of a young feature runner. I think his value probably falls around a 3rd round draft pick. Can't envision any team trading a 2nd rounder when the league devalues RB's in the draft anyway.
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I haven't seen the terms of Tolbert's contract size (guessing around $10 million total), but it doesn't sound like a ton of money is committed to Tolbert and Stewart combined. DeAngelo is the big albatross contract, but it might be manageable for the team from a total position standpoint - and they can still address other needs.As for one football to go around, that may well be true, but Tolbert can make a major contribution to the team even if he doesn't get as many carries as he did in SD - fullback, special teams, etc. Players like Tolbert seem to be about winning games, not fantasy championships.Exactly. Having guys like DWill and Stewart on the same team irk the fantasy world, but make sense football-wise. Having Stewart, DWill, Goodson and Tolbert on the same team is putting way too many eggs in one basket, when they have needs in other areas.I don't know. There's still only 1 football and now another mouth to feed (and not cheap ones) and a rushing QB.Makes sense. While the fantasy community is up in arms about it, from a real life NFL standpoint it's a great situation to be in for the Panthers this year.I'm sure they'll deal with whatever the ramifications are next year when the time comes.Report: Panthers 'unlikely' to trade Stewart "Multiple team sources" tell the Charlotte Observer that Jonathan Stewart is "unlikely" to be traded despite the Panthers' addition of Mike Tolbert.The Panthers will face a tough decision when Stewart enters 2013 free agency, but for now they're poised to keep him along with DeAngelo Williams and Tolbert. Tolbert will likely shoulder some of the load on passing downs, and cover kicks on special teams. Stewart and Williams will be the primary backs. The Panthers could consider cutting Williams and re-signing Stewart next offseason, although releasing DeAngelo would cause a roughly $5 million cap hit in 2013
They'd have to give a pick AND a new (likely big) contract for J Stew. With Trent, it's likely a first but with a much lower contract. As such, Carolina might be lucky to get a 3rd.hasn't he produced every time he's given the opportunity? Doesn't he have measurables as good as Trent Richardson? I would think a team would come up with a 2nd rounder for him easily. But RBs are devalued for sure.Maybe the Panthers need all these RB's because they are moving to Wishbone offense next year?!Concur with those folks suggesting Denver. Fox knows him from being in Carolina. He's a fantastic receiver out of the backfield when given the chance. He's a power RB as well (the type that Fox loves). AND, Denver is in dire need of a young feature runner. I think his value probably falls around a 3rd round draft pick. Can't envision any team trading a 2nd rounder when the league devalues RB's in the draft anyway.
Good point.They'd have to give a pick AND a new (likely big) contract for J Stew. With Trent, it's likely a first but with a much lower contract. As such, Carolina might be lucky to get a 3rd.hasn't he produced every time he's given the opportunity? Doesn't he have measurables as good as Trent Richardson? I would think a team would come up with a 2nd rounder for him easily. But RBs are devalued for sure.Maybe the Panthers need all these RB's because they are moving to Wishbone offense next year?!Concur with those folks suggesting Denver. Fox knows him from being in Carolina. He's a fantastic receiver out of the backfield when given the chance. He's a power RB as well (the type that Fox loves). AND, Denver is in dire need of a young feature runner. I think his value probably falls around a 3rd round draft pick. Can't envision any team trading a 2nd rounder when the league devalues RB's in the draft anyway.
Willing to bet his measurable are better than Trent Richardson's.hasn't he produced every time he's given the opportunity? Doesn't he have measurables as good as Trent Richardson? I would think a team would come up with a 2nd rounder for him easily. But RBs are devalued for sure.
I'm pretty sure they'd have to give a 3rd round pick to get someone to take on DeAngelo with his contract, and even at that point I'm not sure they'd find anyone to do it.Shoot, trade DWill for a 3rd pick and move on
Or maybe it hurts Tolbert the most, no? He has minimal chance of being a big part of the offense now, other than perhaps as a blocker. At least in 2012.they are planning on using Tolbert as a FB, not a RB. This could actually be great for the Panthers running game. I think it hurts Cam (his rushing goal line TDs) more than Stewart or DeAngelo.
Not sure I agree with this. I think they want Newton to run less, especially around the goal line. Tolbert will be a good short yardage guy, 3rd down RB, special teams player, and a willing blocker for DeAngelo/Stewart. He's a versatile player. I think it does hurt everyone a bit, including Newton, as Tolbert may only get a few carries, but could end up with 8+ rushing TDs.Forget fantasy for a moment (I know heresy), almost everyone thought Carolina was foolish to sign DWill when you have a stud like Stewart on the team as well. Then they signed him to a rich contract which seemed wrong again. Now they sign Tolbert, who is not in the league of these guys, but it doesn't make sense...unless they are realizing the error in their ways from before. Sure having two backs makes some sense, but when you have a lot of other holes it makes no sense. When you have a QB who runs as much as newton does it makes even less than no sense. This is so obvious from a football standpoint it is absurd. They move Stewart or DWill; it just makes sense. Shoot, trade DWill for a 3rd pick and move on
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Wallace is way more valuable in NFL terms so I say no. Not sure why the Steelers would take that deal.Could they trade Stewart to Pittsburgh for Mike Wallace? Both have low costs this year, but with the Mendenhall injury, both these guys would make more sense to sign long-term deals if they were one the other team (Stewart on the Steelers, and Wallace on the Panthers).Both guys are currently looking like one-year deals although it would only make sense for Carolina to do it if they planned on signing Wallace to an offer sheet. Instead of giving up a high 1st rounder, they would give up Stewart.
This makes TOO MUCH SENSE!!! Now, you just need to make it happen.'Tornacl said:Could they trade Stewart to Pittsburgh for Mike Wallace? Both have low costs this year, but with the Mendenhall injury, both these guys would make more sense to sign long-term deals if they were one the other team (Stewart on the Steelers, and Wallace on the Panthers).Both guys are currently looking like one-year deals although it would only make sense for Carolina to do it if they planned on signing Wallace to an offer sheet. Instead of giving up a high 1st rounder, they would give up Stewart.
From Rotoworld today:According to Len Pasquarelli of The Sports Xchange, the Panthers will "definitely" listen to trade offers for Jonathan Stewart this offseason.This makes TOO MUCH SENSE!!! Now, you just need to make it happen.Could they trade Stewart to Pittsburgh for Mike Wallace? Both have low costs this year, but with the Mendenhall injury, both these guys would make more sense to sign long-term deals if they were one the other team (Stewart on the Steelers, and Wallace on the Panthers).
Both guys are currently looking like one-year deals although it would only make sense for Carolina to do it if they planned on signing Wallace to an offer sheet. Instead of giving up a high 1st rounder, they would give up Stewart.
It would only make sense if the Steelers intended to sign Stewart long term as well....which they almost assuredly won't do, if we read the tea leaves available. They're already whispering that Mendenhall is on the way out there, generally believed to be because of his perceived cost come '13 vs. his now sketchy knee. Why would it be any different with Stewart, who you would expect to garner more interest/have larger contract demands? If they can't/won't afford Rashard they probably can't/won't afford Stewart either.By all appearances they seem content with Redman/the other guys they have for '12 and will worry about '13 in '13. Anything can happen, I guess, but I would be extremely surprised if the Steelers made a serious play for Stewart, particularly if it involved giving up picks. Colbert just doesn't operate like that(picks for players).Could they trade Stewart to Pittsburgh for Mike Wallace? Both have low costs this year, but with the Mendenhall injury, both these guys would make more sense to sign long-term deals if they were one the other team (Stewart on the Steelers, and Wallace on the Panthers).Both guys are currently looking like one-year deals although it would only make sense for Carolina to do it if they planned on signing Wallace to an offer sheet. Instead of giving up a high 1st rounder, they would give up Stewart.
Let's see what happens with Wallace. If they don't have pay him and get a 1st, they can trade for Stewart (say 2nd), cut Mendenhall and only be paying $600k more at RB this year.It would only make sense if the Steelers intended to sign Stewart long term as well....which they almost assuredly won't do, if we read the tea leaves available. They're already whispering that Mendenhall is on the way out there, generally believed to be because of his perceived cost come '13 vs. his now sketchy knee. Why would it be any different with Stewart, who you would expect to garner more interest/have larger contract demands? If they can't/won't afford Rashard they probably can't/won't afford Stewart either.By all appearances they seem content with Redman/the other guys they have for '12 and will worry about '13 in '13. Anything can happen, I guess, but I would be extremely surprised if the Steelers made a serious play for Stewart, particularly if it involved giving up picks. Colbert just doesn't operate like that(picks for players).Could they trade Stewart to Pittsburgh for Mike Wallace? Both have low costs this year, but with the Mendenhall injury, both these guys would make more sense to sign long-term deals if they were one the other team (Stewart on the Steelers, and Wallace on the Panthers).Both guys are currently looking like one-year deals although it would only make sense for Carolina to do it if they planned on signing Wallace to an offer sheet. Instead of giving up a high 1st rounder, they would give up Stewart.
I like that one. I don't know which team would say no to that one. Maybe neither?How about Stewart and 1.09 to CLE for 1.04. CAR takes Claiborne, CLE takes Floyd. Win/win
The #4 pick is way more valuable than the #9 pick and a RB that you'll have to sign to a new contract. Especially when the Browns can just stand pat and end up with a young stud at LT or CB.Draft pick wise, I think the best Carolina can hope for is a Stewart and a 7th for a mid-3rd round pick type trade.I like that one. I don't know which team would say no to that one. Maybe neither?How about Stewart and 1.09 to CLE for 1.04. CAR takes Claiborne, CLE takes Floyd. Win/win
Pretty much any place outside of Carolina would be good.