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Stewart is far more talented than Lynch. Just because he has not been given an opportunity to be a featured back and pile up stats doesn't mean he won't command a big salary. You are looking at it like a fantasy owner not a real GM.
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You don't get paid off of potential. He won't command the salary lynch or foster got.
Every rookie who is paid a big salary is paid for potential. Oakland paid Russell 100 M based on potential. Stewart has proven on the field that he is elite. Just because he hasn't been given the opportunity to do it as a featured back doesn't mean that a GM won't be smart enough to realize what he can do for his team. If two GMs are smart enough to see this, you have a bidding war and a big contract.
Smart teams pay players for what they will do, not for what they have done.
True, but after four years Stewart has failed to show that he can carry the full load that would be expected with a big contract. Will a team take a chance on him, sure. Will he get "big" money, I doubt it.
I don't know that he "failed" to show he can carry the full load. He has played behind a great back in his own right. The same could have been said about Priest Holmes before he went to KC and Stewart has shown more in CAR so far than Priest did in BA.
That was then and this is now. Don't you think that the NFL's salary scale for RBs is much lower today than it was back when Holmes left for KC.I am personally surprised that Lynch got the $ he did and think that his salary is more outlier than quality of performance. Stewart could surprise me with a larger contract, but I would definitely be surprised.
Foster got roughly $10M a year for the first two years and a $6.5M a year average for the next three. I can see Stewart getting close to that.
He failed to convince Carolina to not give DeAngelo that ridiculously bloated contract last year. If Carolina really thought he could be the man, couldn't they have brought in a complementary back?I'm not questioning Stewart's talent level, I'm questioning whether a teams would get into a bidding war and give him a monster contract.
The word on the street is Carolina has been trying to get him to sign an extension for awhile and he wouldnt. Maybe they signed DeAngelo to that huge deal last year cause the knew they wouldnt be able to resign Stewart? It might not have had anythign to do with "if" Stewart could be the man or not.I really hope he goes somewhere.........
Just trade him away for the sake of trading him?
It's like Michael Turner all over again, except people were expecting even more from Stewart.
No, to help a bunch of fantasy teams, duh.
No, to help the Panthers. Duh.
Exhibit A of why ignoring situation and drafting solely based on talent is not always the best policy.
So what happens when the Panthers place a higher value on Stewart than another team is willing to part with? Takes two to tango. Would you still advise dumping him at a cut rate?
True, but for folks like me, he hasn't been very frustrating. First time I ever owned him was last year and he actually was pretty good in PPR, filling in for injuries and I held him hoping he could be a valuable keeper this year. It might not happen, but there is a still a chance.
This is just a rumour. I don't believe they have tried to extend Stewart yet.'Blackjacks said:
The Steelers are going to trade Wallace for Stuart. There's no way the Steelers can give Wallace what he wants and Carolina has to many RBs...
I think this is a very low probability scenario.
Agreed, low probability. It did make me wonder just how far Cam Newton could throw the ball to Mike Wallace. That would be something to see.
I do not agree, I think guys are always paid for potential. Outside of the draft we are always seeing the Scott Mitchell's, Matt Cassel's, Kevin Kolb's etc...being signed for potential.'djmich said:'theglorydays said:
Dunno, maybe as an owner I am blinding myself. But it sure seems like they had an enviable RB stable BEFORE signing Tolbert. And that signing really only makes sense to a lot of us (including some national writers) if there is another part of the plan that hasn't been revealed yet, regardless of what the coaches are currently saying.
Reasonable points on the salary cap situation going forward, but Stewart and Tolbert don't cost much this year (or in the future for Tolbert). I'm sure the team is focusing on taking another step forward this year, and if it means having three high quality RBs, I imagine they'll go forward with it. As mentioned, if there is a big need elsewhere, then maybe they'll consider moving one of them.It's next year that is the big question - depends on how things progress this year, but the IMO if all three stick this year and DeAngelo doesn't prove his contract, they let DeAngelo go next year and re-sign Stewart.
Dwill owners say hello.
lots of teams have no problems letting FAs leave and just getting comp picks in return. So unless someone is willing to really pay for a RB (a big no no in todays NFL) I dont see stewart's situation improving until 2013.
I don't know about planning for much in the way of a comp pick for Stewart. They are based on salary (which isn't huge for Stewart), playing time (which has never been huge for Stewart even when healthy, and will likely be no more this year as-is), and I think individual honors the player has received (which as far as I know have been minimal for a very talented guy stuck in time share).The max comp picks are 3rds maybe (only 3 teams got more than a 5th last year), and I would not expect Stewart by himself to generate the max.
They won 6 games last year and 2 the year before that. Last year, their defense was ranked 27th in points allowed and 28th in yards allowed. I don't follow the Panthers closely, but it sure looks to me like there is a big need elsewhere. On defense.Last year, without Tolbert, they were 3rd in rushing yards and 1st in rushing TDs. If you ranked all of the Panthers' team needs going into this offseason, RB should have been last on the list.
How much of a cap hit will it be to cut Deangelo after this season? The contract he signed last year included a $16M signing bonus, which should have been prorated at $3.2M per year (5 year contract) for cap purposes. That means after this year, there will still be $9.6M of that bonus that has not yet hit the cap, not including any other guarantees or incentives. Seems like a pretty steep hit to cut him or trade him, even after this season.7/29/2011: Signed a five-year, $43 million contract. The deal contains $21 million guaranteed, including a $16 million signing bonus and $5 million of Williams' second-year base salary. 2012: $5.25 million, 2013: $4.75 million, 2014: $5.75 million, 2015: $6.75 million, 2016: Free Agent
Agreed - which is why one would think they draft defense early and often this year.As for Tolbert being part of a crowded backfield, as others have mentioned in this thread, he is very versatile on special teams and as a fullback. So much that he may play a pivotal role on the team without actually touching the ball a lot. In fact, between Cam, DeAngelo, and Stewart, it's possible that Tolbert only handles short-yardage duties unless one of DeAngelo or Stewart gets hurt.
Yes - the cap hit is going to be an issue if they cut him, but I'm sure they'll address it when/how they need to.
Well, it's pretty much impossible to cut him this year, since he's guaranteed all or almost all of his salary. And $9.6 of dead cap space looks right to me for 2013. That would make the net of Williams' deal 26.5M for two years of part time work as a running back. I guess it's conceivable, but it's a stretch to think an employed GM would own up to that on the cap front OR on the actual salary paid front.Unless Williams looks absolutely AWFUL this year, he's more or less a lock to stick around until at least 2014 I'd say. That leaves Stewart, either this year or next.
That's pretty much what I thought. Consequently, with Tolbert now on board to team with Williams, Goodson, et al., it makes sense to move Stewart if possible.Basically, what it comes down to is that Carolina made a terrible decision to sign Williams last year, and it is now forcing their hand.
No way they trade him in the division
I could see the Browns making a play for him.
I think Green Bay makes as much sense as anywhere. They have a championship window, are poor at RB (no offense Starks owners), and don't have many other pressing needs. Why not drop a 2nd or 3rd and get yourself the best RB you've had since Ahman Green in his prime. Pay him his cheap salary this year, then see if he is worth signing as a FA. Or, sign him to a deal now and pay a 2nd or 3rd for a difference maker in his prime for the next 4 or 5 years.On the Carolina side, unless injuries really hit, you aren't out that much (Williams is very good IMO), and you pick up an extra decent pick to help with D or whatever. The only way it bites them is if Williams gets injured and they are in the middle of a legit championship run.
The Browns trade down a lot. I'm not sure why. They really could use a receiver. I have mocked Trent Richardson to Cleveland at the number four pick.
Fair enough - just ideal speculation anyways. From an value pick standpoint it is a pretty fair trade. The move from 9 to 4 equals 450 points. Stewart value would be 450 points = 2.13 pick in the draft. Though I am not sure if the old value chart applies with the new rookie wage scale.
I would love to see him in GB, I think he would be a monster there. He looked great this year receiving in the plays that I saw and with the D's concentrating on Rodgers, he would have a lot of room to run. Starks showed flashes, but IMHO, Stewart would be a big jump up.
