Don't Ever Do What I Did (1 Viewer)

[Wingnut]

So you couldnt figure out that the only reason Lundy was in his lineup in the first place (week 3) was because JJ was on a bye?

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

 

[norton17]

I don't think I could count him contacting you on Tuesday against him.

Question: I have to go out of town tomorrow (can not be avoided) and would like to star Desmond Clark. I will not be able to have net access or watch pregame. If Desmond Clark can not play, is it anyone's responsiblity to change my lineup? Answer: NO

Now in this guys situation he knew for an entire week that Jones was going to play and you guys are saying to cut him a break because he was in an accident. Why? If he submitted his lineup on Tuesday he would ruin the "elemnet of surprise" advantage he would have had against his opponent for starting Jones instead of Lundy?

Please.

THEN HE SHOULDN'T HAVE CHANGED ANYTHING.Most people wouldn't have a problem with doing nothing - that's fine. But doing SOME, but not enough for it to make a difference, and then wanting a cookie and a good deed badge is BS.

I agree he should not have done anything. I have posted that 3 times now. My point is that NO ONE SHOULD FEEL SORRY FOR THE OWNER IN THE ACCIDENT. He has no reason to complain. He could have started his lineup any time during the week before his accident. This whole situation is not the commissioner's fault. It is the owner's fault for not entering a lineup earlier in the week. That owner should be thankful to the commissioner to getting him some additional points and not completely hanging him out to dry. He should have taken a 50 point loss and he took a 18 point loss? Basically the commissioner gave this owner 32 points. If anyone should be pissed it should be the rest of the league for the commish giving unearned points away.

Do you guys think you take fantasy football too seriously?As a person (not a pretend GM), I would be totally ashamed of myself if I was this commissioner.

The man was in a car accident, helping him by putting in the lineup he would've used is the least you could do.

Winning and losing a week of fantasy football is not life or death, car accidents can be. Get your priorities straight!

 

[norton17]

I had an owner get in a car accident on Saturday which caused him to not be able to get his lineup in on time. I did not know this until Monday. I had seen that his lineup had some problems (guys on bye, no QB enetered, etc) but I had not heard anything from him. He was also playing ME that week (week 4). I ended up beating him by over 50 points.I shouldn't have done anything................... but I did.In an effort of good faith I went back in and changed his lineup with a couple of changes. My thought process was that he normally got his lineup in on time with no problem and dude was in a car wreck. I thought that if I entered in his previous weeks lineup (week 3) that would be a fair thing to do. And in doing so, his "total points" for the year would not be so drastically affected by his car wreck. I felt this would be very easily justified to the league (even though total points could be a potential tie breaker down the road).However, his previous weeks line up had Elam and the Denver D (which were on byes in week 4) he only had one other option at each of these positions so I felt justified in going ahead and replacing them with his other guys not on bye (kaeding, Texans). In addition, Culpepper was in his lineup from week three, but before week 4 had started he had traded Culpepper in a deal for Plummer. Plummer was also on a bye week in week 4, so I could not just put him in at QB. His other 2 guys were Carr and Brees. they scored within 2 points of each other. So I just put in Carr. All of this made no difference as I still beat easily.Now the owner who I was trying to help out is "complaining" that I did not also put Julius Jones in for Wali Lundy. (Jones was on bye in week 3) Which would have been an 18 point difference and caused him to beat me. I tried to explain that all I could do under the circumstances was to use his lineup from the previous week, and I made the obvious (Elam, Denver D on bye) changes. His QB change was unique because of the trade and Plummer being on bye. Who I played there made no difference. He know thinks that Jones for Lundy was also obvious and the only reason I didn't do it was because it would have caused me to lose. I tried to explain that I had to use his previous weeks lineup and that is just the way it is.Anyway....I will no longer try to be a nice/fair guy when it comes to this stuff. In trying to be nice I actually had my integrity questioned.BS

I hope I never have o be in a league wth you as commish

 

[Spartans Rule]

So you couldnt figure out that the only reason Lundy was in his lineup in the first place (week 3) was because JJ was on a bye? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Seriously.What if it had been Tomlinson that he had left sitting out due to a bye week? Do you make the change then?If you can make any extrapolations about who he would have played, you can make that one.

 

[Bandit]

I don't know about everyone else, but if I was in a car accident on Saturday, I would still get my lineup in by Sunday (unless I was unconscious). Am I alone on this one?

In my league, we remind everyone to submit an initial lineup as early as possible because you can change it as many times as you want. Myfantasyleague.com even lets you submit your lineup for the rest the season (nice feature). Luckily, we've never had anyone get in a car accident, but we have had guys lose their internet connection on Sunday morning, and the same reasoning applies--they shouldn't have waiting until the last minute.

I don't want this to sound like I'm a heartless guy. If any of the other owners in my league was in a car accident, I'd be the first one to help them out--whether it be by giving them a ride, helping to fix a car, visiting a hospital if it were that bad of an accident, walking their dog if they can't do it, etc. But I wouldn't change their lineup.

 

[seahawk 17]

As commish I have also had to do this, and I always started best player available. Then you look like a nice guy, a fair commish, and nobody can question your integrity.

 

[Cixelsyd]

A couple things...

His Bad - The car accident was on Saturday, that is no reason not to adjust your lineup during the week to put your normal starters in. Week 3 was a big fantasy bye week, so that was his fault.

Bad Luck - Hope the car accident was too bad... is he ok?

Your Bad - Changing his lineup. There is no good way to do it.. .there is not explaining yourself on how you chose to do it... because it's wrong either way... So you put it in so he scores more points, but doens't win... the rest of the league should be pissed for that... the owner probally feels like he's kissing his sister... more points but no win....

Bottom line, you got lucky, know you got a win because of his accident, and felt guilty so you tried to meet him in the middle and give him some points... I say this because you logic was replacing bye week guys... but I'm sure JJ was the starter weeks 1 and 2 for him... So lundy for jj which gives you the win is a no brainer if you are just helping a little... if you set the lineup you think he would have set you lose...

So yes... Don't ever do that... its not your role as commish... Now, knowing he got in an accident... it would be ok for you to mention his lineup... and get his starters from him... but not setting it so you look good, but actually are just screwing up the league.

 

[VooDoo1]

I agree that you shouldn't wait until the weekend to set a lineup. Granted some people have a life outside their fantasy leagues, but if you care enough to ##### and moan after the fact, you should've cared enough to set it earlier in the week, because you just never know what the weekend can bring!

What if you hook up saturday night, don't have a ride, and the walk of shame takes you beyond 1pm kickoff?

The Boy Scouts taught us to Be prepared!

I have a 3 man independent trade council to prevent shady trades, post trade collusion-esque voting, and for a situation of a dead beat late season owner, or a situation like this. I would forward the roster to a member of the trade council, and just have him set the lineup with no knowledge of who the opponent is, records, or what the implications of the game would be, just set the best lineup as if it were your own team.

Most leagues have one boat rocker that will complain about everything from scoring to the integrity of the commish, you just have to do everything you can to not give the guy fodder and if that doesn't work ignore him knowing that he just likes to rock the boat, DON'T ROCK THE BOAT BABY!!!

In the original situation, I say you're both equally at fault, neither of you should get credit for a win, as you would've lost had he set his lineup, but bottom line he waited to long to set it, so he doesn't deserve to win either!

 

[ELI2TYREE]

sometimes as a commish, ignorance is bliss. leave others' lineups alone, they are not your concern.

 

[Courtjester]

Once you crossed the line and adjusted his line-up by replacing "bye" week players with Keading, Texan's D and Carr......you should have put in Jones for Lundi and taken the LOSS! You either should have done "nothing" to his line-up.....or put Jones in when you made the other changes.

I agree here. You need to have clearly defined rules in your league and follow them--no exceptions. When you went down the path of changing around his lineup, you opened yourself up to this.The rule should say, "In the event no lineup is submitted, your prior lineup stands--no questions."

 

[ravnzfan]

alot of good info here....as a commish in over a dozen leagues at one point or another along the way, I've learned quite a bit about the human condition:

--don't ever try "to be a nice guy"

webster doesn't define it, and 10 different people will give you 10 different definitions of "nice guy"

--"the rules are the rules"

the rules are there to ELIMINATE the "human element"...my leagues state no lineup reverts to previous weeks lineup--no exception...if a player started the previous week is traded, you have no entry for that spot

despite Stinkin' Ref stating "he was trying to do the right thing", it was brought to his attention that NOT putting an obvious player(JJones vs Tenn) ommited the previous week due to a bye into the lineup wasn't "doing the right thing"...this should be changed

...in the name "of doing the right thing"

then...change the rule to:"submitting no lineup reverts to previous weeks lineup...NO exception"

as commish, we aren't there "to be a nice guy"...we're there to interpret and enforce the rules...

NO exception!

 

[slayer666]

In most of my leagues if an owner fails to input his lineup the lineup from the previous week is still in effect. Regardless of the situation, it's each individual owners responsibility for ensuring their lineup is in place. You should have saved yourself a lot of trouble and left well enough alone.

 

[lord_helmet]

He should have posted about it on the league message board and gone with the majority decision, or asked another owner to decide the injured guys starters to keep it fair

That should of kept the whining at a minimum

 

[dagwood]

Bottom line the guy is willing to be a nice guy as long as he still wins the game....blah blah blah....I subbed for the Denver guys who were on a bye....BUT I did not put the JJ in who was on the bench because he was on a bye in week 3 (because I noticed that I would lose if I did that)......who are you trying to fool?.....

I suggest you take your hand and put it against your forehead and form the L sign......

 

[dagwood]

He should have posted about it on the league message board and gone with the majority decision, or asked another owner to decide the injured guys starters to keep it fairThat should of kept the whining at a minimum

JJ is not sitting for Lundy on anyone's team except for the one week that JJ has bye (assuming JJ is not injured).....take the loss....man up...

 

[Native]

So you couldnt figure out that the only reason Lundy was in his lineup in the first place (week 3) was because JJ was on a bye? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Thats a pretty solid point right there....

 

[lord_helmet]

He should have posted about it on the league message board and gone with the majority decision, or asked another owner to decide the injured guys starters to keep it fairThat should of kept the whining at a minimum

JJ is not sitting for Lundy on anyone's team except for the one week that JJ has bye (assuming JJ is not injured).....take the loss....man up...

If he had asked someone who wasn't playing the injured guy, to set the line-up I'm sure JJ would have started. And as a commish I try to only cut through the BS when issues arises, not make decisions without checking with the league

 

[Sheriff66]

I always put in a "quick" lineup on Tuesday, then make changes on how I feel about the matchups throughout the week, he has no excuse for not putting in his lineup, people in my league wait until the last second all the time and it drives me nuts...

 

[Da Guru]

We make no exceptions!! The lineup at 1:00 on Sunday is the lineup that plays.

The guy should have put in a lineup on Friday. You can always go in and make adjustments later.

 

[RamMan]

I don't think I could count him contacting you on Tuesday against him.

Question: I have to go out of town tomorrow (can not be avoided) and would like to star Desmond Clark. I will not be able to have net access or watch pregame. If Desmond Clark can not play, is it anyone's responsiblity to change my lineup? Answer: NO

Now in this guys situation he knew for an entire week that Jones was going to play and you guys are saying to cut him a break because he was in an accident. Why? If he submitted his lineup on Tuesday he would ruin the "elemnet of surprise" advantage he would have had against his opponent for starting Jones instead of Lundy?

Please.

THEN HE SHOULDN'T HAVE CHANGED ANYTHING.Most people wouldn't have a problem with doing nothing - that's fine. But doing SOME, but not enough for it to make a difference, and then wanting a cookie and a good deed badge is BS.

I agree he should not have done anything. I have posted that 3 times now. My point is that NO ONE SHOULD FEEL SORRY FOR THE OWNER IN THE ACCIDENT. He has no reason to complain. He could have started his lineup any time during the week before his accident. This whole situation is not the commissioner's fault. It is the owner's fault for not entering a lineup earlier in the week. That owner should be thankful to the commissioner to getting him some additional points and not completely hanging him out to dry. He should have taken a 50 point loss and he took a 18 point loss? Basically the commissioner gave this owner 32 points. If anyone should be pissed it should be the rest of the league for the commish giving unearned points away.

Do you guys think you take fantasy football too seriously?As a person (not a pretend GM), I would be totally ashamed of myself if I was this commissioner.

The man was in a car accident, helping him by putting in the lineup he would've used is the least you could do.

Winning and losing a week of fantasy football is not life or death, car accidents can be. Get your priorities straight!

Finally a voice of reason..........NOT!

 

[dagwood]

We make no exceptions!! The lineup at 1:00 on Sunday is the lineup that plays.The guy should have put in a lineup on Friday. You can always go in and make adjustments later.

The Dude was in a car accident....all but the most cut throat leagues would cut him some slack.....but the point of this story is that this league commissioner was OK with cutting him some slack as long as it did not change the outcome of the game...bush league all the way...

 

[Sheriff66]

Anyway....I will no longer try to be a nice/fair guy when it comes to this stuff. In trying to be nice I actually had my integrity questioned.

BS

You're delusional bro....

 

[Marc Levin]

In trying to be nice I actually had my integrity questioned.BS

Real life can intrude on fantasy - but it is not up to you to correct his lineup unless you have spoken to him first.And if you are going to replace his lineup after the fact, he has the right to pick his ENTIRE lineup.You messed with his lineup WAY too much to not do the "most intelligent thing" at every position - including JJ over Lundy.You should leave his lineup as was - sometimes real life intrudes and losing in one week of fantasy football is a oncsequence of real life intruding.Leave his week 3 lineup in - AS IS - and give him those points into his season total.

 

[Marc Levin]

We make no exceptions!! The lineup at 1:00 on Sunday is the lineup that plays.The guy should have put in a lineup on Friday. You can always go in and make adjustments later.

The Dude was in a car accident....all but the most cut throat leagues would cut him some slack.....but the point of this story is that this league commissioner was OK with cutting him some slack as long as it did not change the outcome of the game...bush league all the way...

Cut him some slack? Yes - but reality intruded. The guy never got to adjust his lineup, and it sucks for HIM - the car accident caused him not to be able to adjust his lineup. It is fantasy football - not real life. The guy sacrifices that week, including the total points. I can imagine a THOUSAND scenarios where it might be REALLY REALLY unlikely I can adjust my lineup and I would want some slack, but don;lt expect it - guy was in a car accident and it sucks. Unfortunately, a consequence is losing his FF game that week.On a side note, that is one reason I change my lineup on Tuesday morning, do an adjustment after WW moves, and maybe do an adjustment on Sunday morning. Worse comes to worst, I lose out on a position or two in my lineup by not having the latest news or roster information, but starting players on a bye is NEVER a problem.

 

[Phurfur]

I cannot believe all the commissioners out there that tamper with other players lineups. I'm in four leagues and everyone has a rule that the commish is not, under any circumstances, allowed to touch another owners lineup without their permission. I don't care if it is and accident, death in the family, etc. you just don't do things on your own because YOU think they are right. If these things happen to me I will take the loss and not worry about it, I have bigger problems.

Personally I would vote to have you removed as commissioner for tampering.

 

[turnit643]

You should have either made ALL of the changes he likely would have made, including playing JJ (therefore giving you the loss) or nothing at all. The problem was doing it half way.

Yep - should have done nothing at all. Your heart (or at least part of it) was in the right place, but no touching other line-ups. Bad situation for him, but that's the way it goes."Don't Ever Do What I Did" is right.

 

[Marc Levin]

I cannot believe all the commissioners out there that tamper with other players lineups. I'm in four leagues and everyone has a rule that the commish is not, under any circumstances, allowed to touch another owners lineup without their permission. I don't care if it is and accident, death in the family, etc. you just don't do things on your own because YOU think they are right. If these things happen to me I will take the loss and not worry about it, I have bigger problems.

Personally I would vote to have you removed as commissioner for tampering.

His heart was in the right place so I wouldn't vote for removal. However, his integrity IS in question because it appeared that he was trying to give the guy enough points to keep his total points up to what it should be, but not enough "realistic" points to lose.Either leave the lineup AS IS from the week before (or whatever the consequences are in the rules for not getting a lineup in) or give him EVERY player it is REASONABLE he would have played, including JJ over Lundy.

 

[BigRed]

Yep - once again no good deed goes unpunished, which I think was the point of the orig thread. I can see why some think it was his intent to be self-serving vs trying to help out a little but IMO that's isn't the case at all. Maybe some of you (or people in your league) might think that because if positions were reversed that might be the case, ie take FF way too seriously.

Speaking of which, funny how the commish is ripped for taking FF way too seriously because he didn't give the guy the win, but not the guy in the accident who pissed and moaned about the loss afterwards.

Anyway a few things I think we can all agree on commish/rules-wise:

1 - Do everything you possibly can to cover ALL possibilities in your rules/bylaws

2 - Make sure all rules are spelled out as clearly and precisely as possible to prevent any "but I didn't think that was what you meant" BS

3 - Put somewhere in your rules that the bottom line is that each owner is responsible for their team (ie lineups, FA moves etc) regardless. I not only did that but emphasized it several times during the summer, along with "make sure you read and understand all the rules" in big bold letters.

 

[Marc Levin]

Speaking of which, funny how the commish is ripped for taking FF way too seriously because he didn't give the guy the win, but not the guy in the accident who pissed and moaned about the loss afterwards.

Because the comish created the pissing and moaning by messing with the lineup.I'm sure the guy would have COMPLETELY understood if the commish said:"I'm sorry, but I had no idea what was going on with you until Monday, after the games were over. There's nothing I can do at that point. I am sorry for your car accident - it really sucks. Something like that interrupts all parts of your life when it happens, huh? I hope you get better quickly and I am glad you are recovering well."That would have been the correct thing to do.

 

[PatsWillWin]

I don't think I could count him contacting you on Tuesday against him.

Question: I have to go out of town tomorrow (can not be avoided) and would like to star Desmond Clark. I will not be able to have net access or watch pregame. If Desmond Clark can not play, is it anyone's responsiblity to change my lineup?

Answer: NO

Now in this guys situation he knew for an entire week that Jones was going to play and you guys are saying to cut him a break because he was in an accident. Why? If he submitted his lineup on Tuesday he would ruin the "elemnet of surprise" advantage he would have had against his opponent for starting Jones instead of Lundy?

Please.

We're not saying cut the owner a break. We're saying the Commish made a half #### effort only to the point that he still got the win. He failed to make the most obvious move by inserting JJ into the lineup after his bye week. Don't hide behind a half hearted attempt and expect praise for it.

Actually, JetsWillWin posted this:

I would've done what he did but also including Julius Jones. The guy got into a car accident, cut the guy a break.

That was one line of one post I made after someone asked what I would've done - that is NOT what I have issue with. If this guy posted this story and the story was "An owner got into a car accident, couldn't set his lineup, and I left his lineup alone and wno my game by 50" I'd have NO problem with it, even though personally I would've given the guy a break. I could see going either way.

What I DO find objectionable is the uneven application of logic to set PART of his lineup, but not ALL of it because doing the latter would've resulted in him getting a loss. Yes, I would've set all of his lineup, but, again, my issue, as has been said multiple times by other posters as well, is that he has to do ALL or NOTHING - it's not about feeling bad for the dude in a car accident, it's about the commissioner pulling a making enough assumption to start Plummer over Culpepper, but not Lundy over JJ because doing the latter would've resulted in a loss.

 

[Marc Levin]

Culpepper was in his lineup from week three, but before week 4 had started he had traded Culpepper in a deal for Plummer. Plummer was also on a bye week in week 4, so I could not just put him in at QB. His other 2 guys were Carr and Brees. they scored within 2 points of each other. So I just put in Carr.

As soon as it became THIS messy, you shoulda left his lineup as it was - he traded the QB from week three for a QB on a bye, and you then had to decide which player to put in - what if Brees had gone OFF for 45 points, and Carr sucked out loud. Inserting Carr means you preserve your win, but Brees means you lose by a tremendous amount.What then?You, as commish, have to take things as they ARE not as they "shoulda been." You can't second guess another owner's lineup decision. Those two points you gave him by playing Carr instead of Brees might break a tie at the end of the year.You SCREWED UP!! And you deserve to have your integrity questioned if you didn't sub JJ for Lundy.

 

[BaBastage]

First, I'm in the category of "Act accordingly to your leage rules".

I also believe that there are times when an owner deserves a break. (e.g, a car accident) and the commish should step in and make roster changes for him/her.

But you can't leave it to the commissioner's discretion. Put a rule in place that says the players ranked highest on your league's website projections will be started. That eliminates the commish from ambiguity.

Case closed, and you can bet our league will have a similar rule brought to vote next offseason.

For those who say "tough sch!tt to the car-accident dude", I understand your position. But imho, my fantasy league, while competitive at $200 entry fee, is still more about fun and honor with my buddies than winning the dough. Personally I'd rather take the moral high ground if I can. Is winning your league more important than respect for your fellow owner?

 

[Stinkin Ref]

haven't been able to check in since I first posted..

just a quick update.....

our league rules state that if no lineup is submitted during the week, the lineup from the previous week will be entered.....

the majority of the guys in my league are very cool....including the guy who got in the accident....I felt that since the circumsatnces were so extreme (car accident) that adjusting his bye week players (that had only one other option, if more then one I wouldn't have done it) was an acceptable thing....

where I messed up was continuing to give him the benefit of the doubt and starting a QB.....I should have just left Plummer in and called it good....by putitng in another QB I really opened up the flood gates....I was not looking for a pat on the back or anything like that I was doing what I thought was fair....the guys in my league are not as cut throat as many of the guys that frequent this web site....it was actually a fairly well accepted move and none of the other owners complained....I was really surprised to have the guy in the accident be the one that complained......that is why I started this post.....

Jones was not in his lineup for the previous week, but neither were Brees or Carr.....that is where I messed up....he wouldn't have played Plummer.....but since he had more then one option I shouldn't have done anything....I was just really surprised that since I did that he thought I should also have changed other things in his lineup....

for those that say I should have also put Jones in for Lundy since that was an obvious move before the week started.....I ask you what if I would have done that and Lundy would have went off and Jones got hurt on the first play of the game....then he would have complained that I "assumed" he would have played Jones....

I was in a no win situation that I didn't realize I was getting into.....lesson learned.....

 

[The Gator]

for those that say I should have also put Jones in for Lundy since that was an obvious move before the week started.....I ask you what if I would have done that and Lundy would have went off and Jones got hurt on the first play of the game....then he would have complained that I "assumed" he would have played Jones....

Either put his best lineup in or do nothing.

 

[Utter Chaos]

I'm curious to how people would react if Wali Lundy was Kevan Barlow and Julius Jones was Chester Taylor (or Brian Westbrook even)? In that case the guy probably would have won with Barlow but lost with Chester Taylor. Would the guy complain that he should have gotten a loss because the Commish left Barlow in and he would have put in Taylor?

 

[mlball77]

our league rules state that if no lineup is submitted during the week, the lineup from the previous week will be entered.....

This is BIG in this discussion. However, I think a serious car accident warrants the Commish stepping in and setting the lineup for a team owner (if it is known before hand). If the team is playing the Commish, I think a neutral party should have set the lineup for the hospitalized team owner. I think this rule is generally very good, if the lineup is not submitted due to basic reasons (oversight, laziness, too busy at work or something like this). If there is a major reason, the Commish should step in and make the best call he can for the starters. If its after the fact, its really dicey, imho. I think at that point all you can do is really use the previous week's lineup. However, if the team is facing you (the Commish), you have to give THEM the benefit of the doubt and put in guys like JJ for Lundy. Sucks to do, but as Commish you have to behave like that... give all others the benefit of the doubt before yourself. Its sometimes very hard, but thats how a good Commish conducts himself/herself.

 

[Irish]

haven't been able to check in since I first posted..just a quick update.....our league rules state that if no lineup is submitted during the week, the lineup from the previous week will be entered.....the majority of the guys in my league are very cool....including the guy who got in the accident....I felt that since the circumsatnces were so extreme (car accident) that adjusting his bye week players (that had only one other option, if more then one I wouldn't have done it) was an acceptable thing....where I messed up was continuing to give him the benefit of the doubt and starting a QB.....I should have just left Plummer in and called it good....by putitng in another QB I really opened up the flood gates....I was not looking for a pat on the back or anything like that I was doing what I thought was fair....the guys in my league are not as cut throat as many of the guys that frequent this web site....it was actually a fairly well accepted move and none of the other owners complained....I was really surprised to have the guy in the accident be the one that complained......that is why I started this post.....Jones was not in his lineup for the previous week, but neither were Brees or Carr.....that is where I messed up....he wouldn't have played Plummer.....but since he had more then one option I shouldn't have done anything....I was just really surprised that since I did that he thought I should also have changed other things in his lineup....for those that say I should have also put Jones in for Lundy since that was an obvious move before the week started.....I ask you what if I would have done that and Lundy would have went off and Jones got hurt on the first play of the game....then he would have complained that I "assumed" he would have played Jones....I was in a no win situation that I didn't realize I was getting into.....lesson learned.....

You created the no win situation by first messing with another owners lineup when your rules are clearly stated. Second, you adjusted his lineup after the games just enough so that you would still end up with the win. That is bush league, especially from a Commish who's integrity should never be in question. What if Lundy went off? You don't really think we are buying this argument do you? Lundy didn't even have a carry or reception the week before. You wanted to be a nice guy to the owner, but not at your expense. Only to the expense of the other owners in the league. Violation of your Commish powers. Either give him his points for JJ and he gets the win or he only gets the points from his previous lineup. I think we know which option you will choose "Commish".

 

[krash]

It still amazes me that people don't alter their lineup on Tuesday mornings to account for bye weeks and then just tweak them as the week progresses. You never know when something will come up, but if you fix your lineup at the beginning of the week, you avoid most of these kind of issues. Some people will never learn.

 

[Alias]

Sounds like the guy in the accident is not committed enough, was he in a coma, did he need to get operated on, or suffer from amnesia? He should have made a call or something.

 

[Pnishthm]

Don't they have computers at the hospital?

 

[tcpain]

Commishes should never set a lineup for his opponents on a given week. Most leagues have moderators or Co-commishes just for that reason. Maybe even a committee to handle it?

You got yourself into this situation by changing the lineup, you should get yourself out of it by putting the obvoious JJ into the guys lineup. You know as well as I do that he would have started JJ over Lundy given Lundy's position on the depth chart last week in Houston.

Future Advice: do not change lineups for a team you are playing that week!!!! It will only get you in trouble!!!

 

[Marc Levin]

I think the car accident owner's devotion to the game - or even cuttinghim a break b/c he was IN a car accident are not relevant.

As I mentioned above, real life intruded on a hobby. It sucks, but he should take the loss - or at least he should not have a commissioner bending over backwards, but only half way, to field his most competitive team.

league rules state his lineup from the previous week is his lineup for the current week if no lineup is submitted - that is the lineup he should have had, with the substitution of Plummer for C-Pepp.

On a side note, if he knew the trade was finalized, why didn;t he submit an early lineup reflecting that change.

On a second side note, as someone else mentioned, this will TEACH HIM - and will be an EXAMPLE for all owners, to submit an early roster early in the week. Unforeseen circumstances, no matter how unfortunate, should not rule when proper planning could have avoided the whole mess.

 

[ProBowler88]

haven't been able to check in since I first posted..

just a quick update.....

our league rules state that if no lineup is submitted during the week, the lineup from the previous week will be entered.....

the majority of the guys in my league are very cool....including the guy who got in the accident....I felt that since the circumsatnces were so extreme (car accident) that adjusting his bye week players (that had only one other option, if more then one I wouldn't have done it) was an acceptable thing....

where I messed up was continuing to give him the benefit of the doubt and starting a QB.....I should have just left Plummer in and called it good....by putitng in another QB I really opened up the flood gates....I was not looking for a pat on the back or anything like that I was doing what I thought was fair....the guys in my league are not as cut throat as many of the guys that frequent this web site....it was actually a fairly well accepted move and none of the other owners complained....I was really surprised to have the guy in the accident be the one that complained......that is why I started this post.....

Jones was not in his lineup for the previous week, but neither were Brees or Carr.....that is where I messed up....he wouldn't have played Plummer.....but since he had more then one option I shouldn't have done anything....I was just really surprised that since I did that he thought I should also have changed other things in his lineup....

for those that say I should have also put Jones in for Lundy since that was an obvious move before the week started.....I ask you what if I would have done that and Lundy would have went off and Jones got hurt on the first play of the game....then he would have complained that I "assumed" he would have played Jones....

I was in a no win situation that I didn't realize I was getting into.....lesson learned.....

Lundy is the 3rd RB on the depth chart....give me a break, he does not even play anymore. If you put in Carr you should have been consistent and put in JJ. You "helped" him just enough so you can get your win. That is pathetic.

 

[Marc Levin]

p.s. - as a commish, you now have an opportunity to give some MEAT to your rules and to show your league you can drop a HAMMER.

I'd go public with what happened, explain to the league you can't rectify the situation by being nice, so the fallback posiiton is the rules - give him his points from his week 3 lineup, replace C-Pepp with Plummer on his roster, give him no QB for the week (in direct contravention to what I wrote above, I know), and treat it as a lineup short a QB.

In the future, if someone complains about a lineup subvmission, you say: "Remember when so and so couldn't get a lineup in b/c of a CAR ACCIDENT? Well, [insert owner's excuse here] doesn't cut it either. Sorry, but we wrote the rules for just these types of situations. Next time, remember to submit a lineuyp early in the week and you won't have these problems."

 

[MrPack]

lol @ all the tards in this thread. He already went above and beyond, but is villified for not going further so his "buddy" would win. If you rocket scientists paid attention and actually comprehended the post, you would understand that he didn't randomly choose starters that only scored a few pts so as not to make a diff in the game but purposely left out players like JJ.....he basically left the guy's previous lineup in plus accounted for bye weeks and a trade. ie he didn't choose between this or that guy, just made sure he had starters in there. That's more than fair. I agree that you should have avoided the whole thing and let the whiny ay-hole just take the loss. If I didn't get my lineup in on time for ANY reason, I wouldn't gripe about losing, even if it was very good reason like that one. It's his responsibility regardless. Plus you'd think after being in a car accident that whining about a fantasy football loss would be the farthest thing from his alleged mind. Doesn't sound like too serious of an accident (which would bring us back to why he didn't at least call someone to make the change himself)....But I think maybe it's worth adding something to our by-laws about this. So the post wasn't a total loss, thx

I agree with this post 100%. You guys who are ripping the commish for not taking full control and starting the best lineup are being ridiculous. I am a commish, WE ARE NOT LINEUP BABYSITTERS. He went above and beyond what he had to do.Ya know what, eff that ungrateful putz, switch the lineup back like he had it.Reading what you guys who are ripping on the commish are saying, is making me Should he hold is **** for him too when he gets a cramp and can't take a piss?

 

[MrPack]

lol @ all the tards in this thread. He already went above and beyond, but is villified for not going further so his "buddy" would win. If you rocket scientists paid attention and actually comprehended the post, you would understand that he didn't randomly choose starters that only scored a few pts so as not to make a diff in the game but purposely left out players like JJ.....he basically left the guy's previous lineup in plus accounted for bye weeks and a trade. ie he didn't choose between this or that guy, just made sure he had starters in there. That's more than fair.

I agree that you should have avoided the whole thing and let the whiny ay-hole just take the loss. If I didn't get my lineup in on time for ANY reason, I wouldn't gripe about losing, even if it was very good reason like that one. It's his responsibility regardless. Plus you'd think after being in a car accident that whining about a fantasy football loss would be the farthest thing from his alleged mind. Doesn't sound like too serious of an accident (which would bring us back to why he didn't at least call someone to make the change himself)....

But I think maybe it's worth adding something to our by-laws about this. So the post wasn't a total loss, thx

Oh I think you are the one that is not comprehending. Of course he didn't choose the starters randomly. He just left out the most obvious starter so that he himself would get the win. He makes assumptions on what qb to play, but did not know that JJ should be in the lineup over Lundy?

:tardwave:

 

[Marc Levin]

Nope - but he shouldn't have bent over backward with the QB sitch.

That's where he screwed up - if he switches one of the other QBs into the lineu pto replace ther C-Pepp/Plummer trade b/c Plummer was on a bye, he should have replaced Lundy, too.

The PROPER solution was to leave Plummer in as his QB or to leave the QB spot empty and to give him a 0 for the QB spot.

 

[MrPack]

I had an owner get in a car accident on Saturday which caused him to not be able to get his lineup in on time. I did not know this until Monday. I had seen that his lineup had some problems (guys on bye, no QB enetered, etc) but I had not heard anything from him. He was also playing ME that week (week 4). I ended up beating him by over 50 points.I shouldn't have done anything................... but I did.In an effort of good faith I went back in and changed his lineup with a couple of changes. My thought process was that he normally got his lineup in on time with no problem and dude was in a car wreck. I thought that if I entered in his previous weeks lineup (week 3) that would be a fair thing to do. And in doing so, his "total points" for the year would not be so drastically affected by his car wreck. I felt this would be very easily justified to the league (even though total points could be a potential tie breaker down the road).However, his previous weeks line up had Elam and the Denver D (which were on byes in week 4) he only had one other option at each of these positions so I felt justified in going ahead and replacing them with his other guys not on bye (kaeding, Texans). In addition, Culpepper was in his lineup from week three, but before week 4 had started he had traded Culpepper in a deal for Plummer. Plummer was also on a bye week in week 4, so I could not just put him in at QB. His other 2 guys were Carr and Brees. they scored within 2 points of each other. So I just put in Carr. All of this made no difference as I still beat easily.Now the owner who I was trying to help out is "complaining" that I did not also put Julius Jones in for Wali Lundy. (Jones was on bye in week 3) Which would have been an 18 point difference and caused him to beat me. I tried to explain that all I could do under the circumstances was to use his lineup from the previous week, and I made the obvious (Elam, Denver D on bye) changes. His QB change was unique because of the trade and Plummer being on bye. Who I played there made no difference. He know thinks that Jones for Lundy was also obvious and the only reason I didn't do it was because it would have caused me to lose. I tried to explain that I had to use his previous weeks lineup and that is just the way it is.Anyway....I will no longer try to be a nice/fair guy when it comes to this stuff. In trying to be nice I actually had my integrity questioned.BS

I hope I never have o be in a league wth you as commish

Do you need someone to hold your hand when you go to a shopping mall?

 

[ffweasel]

He has clearly stated that he was wrong to adjust the lineup and will not do so in the future. Why does everyone still feel the need to tell him the obvious?

So let's hear from the same people how bad of a commish he is....

 

[Marc Levin]

Please let's stay above board here - I can foresee this heading poorly, and it's been good so far.