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I had an owner get in a car accident on Saturday which caused him to not be able to get his lineup in on time. I did not know this until Monday. I had seen that his lineup had some problems (guys on bye, no QB enetered, etc) but I had not heard anything from him. He was also playing ME that week (week 4). I ended up beating him by over 50 points.

I shouldn't have done anything................... but I did.

In an effort of good faith I went back in and changed his lineup with a couple of changes. My thought process was that he normally got his lineup in on time with no problem and dude was in a car wreck. I thought that if I entered in his previous weeks lineup (week 3) that would be a fair thing to do. And in doing so, his "total points" for the year would not be so drastically affected by his car wreck. I felt this would be very easily justified to the league (even though total points could be a potential tie breaker down the road).

However, his previous weeks line up had Elam and the Denver D (which were on byes in week 4) he only had one other option at each of these positions so I felt justified in going ahead and replacing them with his other guys not on bye (kaeding, Texans). In addition, Culpepper was in his lineup from week three, but before week 4 had started he had traded Culpepper in a deal for Plummer. Plummer was also on a bye week in week 4, so I could not just put him in at QB. His other 2 guys were Carr and Brees. they scored within 2 points of each other. So I just put in Carr.

All of this made no difference as I still beat easily.

Now the owner who I was trying to help out is "complaining" that I did not also put Julius Jones in for Wali Lundy. (Jones was on bye in week 3) Which would have been an 18 point difference and caused him to beat me. I tried to explain that all I could do under the circumstances was to use his lineup from the previous week, and I made the obvious (Elam, Denver D on bye) changes. His QB change was unique because of the trade and Plummer being on bye. Who I played there made no difference.

He know thinks that Jones for Lundy was also obvious and the only reason I didn't do it was because it would have caused me to lose. I tried to explain that I had to use his previous weeks lineup and that is just the way it is.

Anyway....I will no longer try to be a nice/fair guy when it comes to this stuff. In trying to be nice I actually had my integrity questioned.

BS

 
what the #### are you talking about? lundy over jones? give me a break.

the warning should be now NOT to handle a situation.

take the loss like a man and move on.

it's fantasy football - your buddy could have died and your want the W?

Terrible...

edit - guess i was a bit harsh, you did do something, but only went 1/2way.

E for effort but F for results i guess

 
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I had an owner get in a car accident on Saturday which caused him to not be able to get his lineup in on time. I did not know this until Monday. I had seen that his lineup had some problems (guys on bye, no QB enetered, etc) but I had not heard anything from him. He was also playing ME that week (week 4). I ended up beating him by over 50 points.I shouldn't have done anything................... but I did.In an effort of good faith I went back in and changed his lineup with a couple of changes. My thought process was that he normally got his lineup in on time with no problem and dude was in a car wreck. I thought that if I entered in his previous weeks lineup (week 3) that would be a fair thing to do. And in doing so, his "total points" for the year would not be so drastically affected by his car wreck. I felt this would be very easily justified to the league (even though total points could be a potential tie breaker down the road).However, his previous weeks line up had Elam and the Denver D (which were on byes in week 4) he only had one other option at each of these positions so I felt justified in going ahead and replacing them with his other guys not on bye (kaeding, Texans). In addition, Culpepper was in his lineup from week three, but before week 4 had started he had traded Culpepper in a deal for Plummer. Plummer was also on a bye week in week 4, so I could not just put him in at QB. His other 2 guys were Carr and Brees. they scored within 2 points of each other. So I just put in Carr. All of this made no difference as I still beat easily.Now the owner who I was trying to help out is "complaining" that I did not also put Julius Jones in for Wali Lundy. (Jones was on bye in week 3) Which would have been an 18 point difference and caused him to beat me. I tried to explain that all I could do under the circumstances was to use his lineup from the previous week, and I made the obvious (Elam, Denver D on bye) changes. His QB change was unique because of the trade and Plummer being on bye. Who I played there made no difference. He know thinks that Jones for Lundy was also obvious and the only reason I didn't do it was because it would have caused me to lose. I tried to explain that I had to use his previous weeks lineup and that is just the way it is.Anyway....I will no longer try to be a nice/fair guy when it comes to this stuff. In trying to be nice I actually had my integrity questioned.BS
Who are you trying to kid? You maybe fooling yourself, but you're not gonna fool anyone on these boards. Let's see, you made obvious changes for said owner, but not all the obvious changes and you come out with a Win. Very shady. Lundy hardly plays now and that was not as obvious as a player on a bye. Come on.
 
It was his responsibility to get the lineup in. You did fine. He could have had his lineup set on Friday...no problem.

If you were consistent, no problem. If you left all players the same except for byes and trades, you did correctly and have nothing to fear. Had Lundy done well, he wouldn't have had a problem. He shouldn't get to pick and choose after the fact. Besides, Lundy did squat the week before and he played him.

Put something in your rules about everything being the owners responsibility. I had an owner claim there was a website glitch replacing his player (which it turns out may have happened). He waited until TUesday to tell me. No problem, can;t be changed...rules say so. We al;so have a rule, that we go back to the last correct lineup if there is a problem..regardless of byes. You did good by him.

 
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I also agree with your friend. Changing the lineup so that he wouldn't have lost by so much is not an "act of good faith". Just as it was obvious that he wanted to start Plummer because of the trade, it was also obvious that he sat Julius for the bye week last week. One isn't a bigger assumption than the other, the only difference I see is that being consistent would've given you the lost.

 
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I had an owner get in a car accident on Saturday which caused him to not be able to get his lineup in on time. I did not know this until Monday. I had seen that his lineup had some problems (guys on bye, no QB enetered, etc) but I had not heard anything from him. He was also playing ME that week (week 4). I ended up beating him by over 50 points.I shouldn't have done anything................... but I did.In an effort of good faith I went back in and changed his lineup with a couple of changes. My thought process was that he normally got his lineup in on time with no problem and dude was in a car wreck. I thought that if I entered in his previous weeks lineup (week 3) that would be a fair thing to do. And in doing so, his "total points" for the year would not be so drastically affected by his car wreck. I felt this would be very easily justified to the league (even though total points could be a potential tie breaker down the road).However, his previous weeks line up had Elam and the Denver D (which were on byes in week 4) he only had one other option at each of these positions so I felt justified in going ahead and replacing them with his other guys not on bye (kaeding, Texans). In addition, Culpepper was in his lineup from week three, but before week 4 had started he had traded Culpepper in a deal for Plummer. Plummer was also on a bye week in week 4, so I could not just put him in at QB. His other 2 guys were Carr and Brees. they scored within 2 points of each other. So I just put in Carr. All of this made no difference as I still beat easily.Now the owner who I was trying to help out is "complaining" that I did not also put Julius Jones in for Wali Lundy. (Jones was on bye in week 3) Which would have been an 18 point difference and caused him to beat me. I tried to explain that all I could do under the circumstances was to use his lineup from the previous week, and I made the obvious (Elam, Denver D on bye) changes. His QB change was unique because of the trade and Plummer being on bye. Who I played there made no difference. He know thinks that Jones for Lundy was also obvious and the only reason I didn't do it was because it would have caused me to lose. I tried to explain that I had to use his previous weeks lineup and that is just the way it is.Anyway....I will no longer try to be a nice/fair guy when it comes to this stuff. In trying to be nice I actually had my integrity questioned.BS
:lmao: You said you was a nice guy and did the fair thing. If this is the case you know he would have started Jones over Lundy. If you are going to "replace" the players on his roster/lineup with the obvious substitutions as you say, Jones for Lundy was an obvious substitution. YOU LOSE BUDDY.
 
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If your rules state the commish can switch out players who are "current bye week players" for players of the same position, then you did your job. It does not say, put players from last weeks bye back into "starter" status.

What if instead of Lundy in for JJ's bye week it was L Jordan or F Taylor? Is the Commish suppose to bench Jordan or Dillon because he knows crash test dummy is going to start JJ? I don't think so. You did what the league rules asked of you. TELL HIM TO KEEP HIS EYES ON THE ROAD AND WE DON"T HAVE THIS PROBLEM.

 
You are right. You did do the wrong thing but it wasn't not starting Jones for Lundy. As a commish I would NEVER change anyone's lineup without thier consent. Even if you would have changed to what you thought was best, Lundy could have scored 3 TDs and Jones got hurt on the first play.

I completely agree with who ever post that it's tough $h1t for the guy and his accident. Let it be a lesson to everyone. Set your lineups on Tuesday or Wednesday. You can always change them later.

 
You are right. You did do the wrong thing but it wasn't not starting Jones for Lundy. As a commish I would NEVER change anyone's lineup without thier consent. Even if you would have changed to what you thought was best, Lundy could have scored 3 TDs and Jones got hurt on the first play.I completely agree with who ever post that it's tough $h1t for the guy and his accident. Let it be a lesson to everyone. Set your lineups on Tuesday or Wednesday. You can always change them later.
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If your rules state the commish can switch out players who are "current bye week players" for players of the same position, then you did your job. It does not say, put players from last weeks bye back into "starter" status.What if instead of Lundy in for JJ's bye week it was L Jordan or F Taylor? Is the Commish suppose to bench Jordan or Dillon because he knows crash test dummy is going to start JJ? I don't think so. You did what the league rules asked of you. TELL HIM TO KEEP HIS EYES ON THE ROAD AND WE DON"T HAVE THIS PROBLEM.
Under that theory then how is the Commish supposed to know what players to play for bye week fillers. He should have either done nothing or truly enter the lineup that any sane FF would play. It is so obvious why he didn't start JJ for the owner.
 
Once you crossed the line and adjusted his line-up by replacing "bye" week players with Keading, Texan's D and Carr......you should have put in Jones for Lundi and taken the LOSS! You either should have done "nothing" to his line-up.....or put Jones in when you made the other changes.

Honestly......the accident took place on Saturday. The owner probably should have taken Lundi out of his line-up earlier in the week.

Looking for other owners/commisioners to condone your actions should NOT relieve any guilt you have.

 
You are right. You did do the wrong thing but it wasn't not starting Jones for Lundy. As a commish I would NEVER change anyone's lineup without thier consent. Even if you would have changed to what you thought was best, Lundy could have scored 3 TDs and Jones got hurt on the first play.I completely agree with who ever post that it's tough $h1t for the guy and his accident. Let it be a lesson to everyone. Set your lineups on Tuesday or Wednesday. You can always change them later.
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I agree to a point, but you can't give the Commish a free pass here. He went back and changed the lineup just enough so that he would still get the win.
 
If your rules state the commish can switch out players who are "current bye week players" for players of the same position, then you did your job. It does not say, put players from last weeks bye back into "starter" status.What if instead of Lundy in for JJ's bye week it was L Jordan or F Taylor? Is the Commish suppose to bench Jordan or Dillon because he knows crash test dummy is going to start JJ? I don't think so. You did what the league rules asked of you. TELL HIM TO KEEP HIS EYES ON THE ROAD AND WE DON"T HAVE THIS PROBLEM.
he didn't mention anything about "league rules". and even if there was a league rule like that, he STILL ASSUMED that the guy would start Plummer since he just traded for him. that is definately beyond the rules, and acceptable considering that the guy got into an accident.the reason his post is lame because he DID go beyond the rules and did the guy a favor - but drew an invisible line for no apparent reason right before benching Wali Lundy because that would've given him the win.again - tell me how it's more obvious that Plummer should start over Culpepper than LUNDY should be benched for Julius (who was on a bye the week before)? it isn't. and that's why most poster think that this is :bs:
 
You should have either made ALL of the changes he likely would have made, including playing JJ (therefore giving you the loss) or nothing at all. The problem was doing it half way.

You claim you were being a nice guy by helping your friend out, but we all know you were only willing to help him out to the extent that it preserved your win. Personally, I wouldn't have done a thing (setting a lineup is the responsibility of the owner) and let the chips fall where they may.

 
You should have either made ALL of the changes he likely would have made, including playing JJ (therefore giving you the loss) or nothing at all. The problem was doing it half way. You claim you were being a nice guy by helping your friend out, but we all know you were only willing to help him out to the extent that it preserved your win. Personally, I wouldn't have done a thing (setting a lineup is the responsibility of the owner) and let the chips fall where they may.
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The thread title says it all.

So what is the solution? Not to hijack the thread, but what would other readers do?

I probably would have simply plugged in the highest ranked players at each position. I don't think I could count him contacting you on Tuesday against him.

 
You are right. You did do the wrong thing but it wasn't not starting Jones for Lundy. As a commish I would NEVER change anyone's lineup without thier consent. Even if you would have changed to what you thought was best, Lundy could have scored 3 TDs and Jones got hurt on the first play.I completely agree with who ever post that it's tough $h1t for the guy and his accident. Let it be a lesson to everyone. Set your lineups on Tuesday or Wednesday. You can always change them later.
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I agree to a point, but you can't give the Commish a free pass here. He went back and changed the lineup just enough so that he would still get the win.
I don’t believe it is the commish’s responsibility to change people’s lineup no matter what the circumstances. But now I am curious. Are Jones and Lundy his only backs? Were there any other options?
 
The thread title says it all.So what is the solution? Not to hijack the thread, but what would other readers do? I probably would have simply plugged in the highest ranked players at each position. I don't think I could count him contacting you on Tuesday against him.
I would've done what he did but also including Julius Jones. The guy got into a car accident, cut the guy a break.My options would've been (in order):1. Set the obvious lineup (again what he did + Julius Jones)22. Done nothing.3. Done SOME but not ALL and then complain because he isn't kissing my ### for trying to help him out.
 
Now the owner who I was trying to help out is "complaining" that I did not also put Julius Jones in for Wali Lundy. (Jones was on bye in week 3) Which would have been an 18 point difference and caused him to beat me. I tried to explain that all I could do under the circumstances was to use his lineup from the previous week, and I made the obvious (Elam, Denver D on bye) changes. His QB change was unique because of the trade and Plummer being on bye. Who I played there made no difference.
And playing JJ over Lundy wasn't obvious? :lmao: :lmao:

 
You should have either made ALL of the changes he likely would have made, including playing JJ (therefore giving you the loss) or nothing at all. The problem was doing it half way. You claim you were being a nice guy by helping your friend out, but we all know you were only willing to help him out to the extent that it preserved your win. Personally, I wouldn't have done a thing (setting a lineup is the responsibility of the owner) and let the chips fall where they may.
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i agree w/ these guys
 
I don't think I could count him contacting you on Tuesday against him.
Question: I have to go out of town tomorrow (can not be avoided) and would like to star Desmond Clark. I will not be able to have net access or watch pregame. If Desmond Clark can not play, is it anyone's responsiblity to change my lineup?

Answer: NO

Now in this guys situation he knew for an entire week that Jones was going to play and you guys are saying to cut him a break because he was in an accident. Why? If he submitted his lineup on Tuesday he would ruin the "elemnet of surprise" advantage he would have had against his opponent for starting Jones instead of Lundy?

Please.
 
C'mon. If you're going to change the lineup, you've got to put Jones in there. I understand there could have been some tough decisions, and people value players differently, but there is no sane owner in america that would have started Lundi over Jones last week.

 
I don't think I could count him contacting you on Tuesday against him.
Question: I have to go out of town tomorrow (can not be avoided) and would like to star Desmond Clark. I will not be able to have net access or watch pregame. If Desmond Clark can not play, is it anyone's responsiblity to change my lineup? Answer: NO

Now in this guys situation he knew for an entire week that Jones was going to play and you guys are saying to cut him a break because he was in an accident. Why? If he submitted his lineup on Tuesday he would ruin the "elemnet of surprise" advantage he would have had against his opponent for starting Jones instead of Lundy?

Please.
THEN HE SHOULDN'T HAVE CHANGED ANYTHING.Most people wouldn't have a problem with doing nothing - that's fine. But doing SOME, but not enough for it to make a difference, and then wanting a cookie and a good deed badge is BS.

 
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I don't think I could count him contacting you on Tuesday against him.
Question: I have to go out of town tomorrow (can not be avoided) and would like to star Desmond Clark. I will not be able to have net access or watch pregame. If Desmond Clark can not play, is it anyone's responsiblity to change my lineup? Answer: NO

Now in this guys situation he knew for an entire week that Jones was going to play and you guys are saying to cut him a break because he was in an accident. Why? If he submitted his lineup on Tuesday he would ruin the "elemnet of surprise" advantage he would have had against his opponent for starting Jones instead of Lundy?

Please.
THEN HE SHOULDN'T HAVE CHANGED ANYTHING.Most people wouldn't have a problem with doing nothing - that's fine. But doing SOME, but not enough for it to make a difference, and then wanting a cookie and a good deed badge is BS.
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For any change by the commish, some communication should have happened. If you wanted to help the guy, get him on the phone and find out what lineup he wants in. Or else don't touch his lineup at all.

Since this wasn't done, Jones over Lundi should have been obvious.

 
I don't think I could count him contacting you on Tuesday against him.
Question: I have to go out of town tomorrow (can not be avoided) and would like to star Desmond Clark. I will not be able to have net access or watch pregame. If Desmond Clark can not play, is it anyone's responsiblity to change my lineup?

Answer: NO

Now in this guys situation he knew for an entire week that Jones was going to play and you guys are saying to cut him a break because he was in an accident. Why? If he submitted his lineup on Tuesday he would ruin the "elemnet of surprise" advantage he would have had against his opponent for starting Jones instead of Lundy?

Please.
We're not saying cut the owner a break. We're saying the Commish made a half #### effort only to the point that he still got the win. He failed to make the most obvious move by inserting JJ into the lineup after his bye week. Don't hide behind a half hearted attempt and expect praise for it.
 
our rules state that if you do not call in a lineup it reverts to the previous weeks lineup...

keep it simple.

 
There is some good news regarding this thread...

His buddy had the foresight to save a bunch of money on car insurance by switching to Geico.

 
I don't think I could count him contacting you on Tuesday against him.
Question: I have to go out of town tomorrow (can not be avoided) and would like to star Desmond Clark. I will not be able to have net access or watch pregame. If Desmond Clark can not play, is it anyone's responsiblity to change my lineup? Answer: NO

Now in this guys situation he knew for an entire week that Jones was going to play and you guys are saying to cut him a break because he was in an accident. Why? If he submitted his lineup on Tuesday he would ruin the "elemnet of surprise" advantage he would have had against his opponent for starting Jones instead of Lundy?

Please.
THEN HE SHOULDN'T HAVE CHANGED ANYTHING.Most people wouldn't have a problem with doing nothing - that's fine. But doing SOME, but not enough for it to make a difference, and then wanting a cookie and a good deed badge is BS.
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I agree he should not have done anything. I have posted that 3 times now. My point is that NO ONE SHOULD FEEL SORRY FOR THE OWNER IN THE ACCIDENT. He has no reason to complain. He could have started his lineup any time during the week before his accident. This whole situation is not the commissioner's fault. It is the owner's fault for not entering a lineup earlier in the week. That owner should be thankful to the commissioner to getting him some additional points and not completely hanging him out to dry. He should have taken a 50 point loss and he took a 18 point loss? Basically the commissioner gave this owner 32 points. If anyone should be pissed it should be the rest of the league for the commish giving unearned points away.
 
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I don't think I could count him contacting you on Tuesday against him.
Question: I have to go out of town tomorrow (can not be avoided) and would like to star Desmond Clark. I will not be able to have net access or watch pregame. If Desmond Clark can not play, is it anyone's responsiblity to change my lineup?

Answer: NO

Now in this guys situation he knew for an entire week that Jones was going to play and you guys are saying to cut him a break because he was in an accident. Why? If he submitted his lineup on Tuesday he would ruin the "elemnet of surprise" advantage he would have had against his opponent for starting Jones instead of Lundy?

Please.
We're not saying cut the owner a break. We're saying the Commish made a half #### effort only to the point that he still got the win. He failed to make the most obvious move by inserting JJ into the lineup after his bye week. Don't hide behind a half hearted attempt and expect praise for it.
Actually, JetsWillWin posted this:

I would've done what he did but also including Julius Jones. The guy got into a car accident, cut the guy a break.
 
I am not giving him a free pass. The commish should never change anyone else's lineup. My point was that even if he puts in the "best lineup" everyone values people differently. If the commish starts Jones and Jones got hurt on the first play and Lundy had 10 yards for 1 point but "accident guy" lost by 1, I guarentee this same guy would be crying that Lundy was in last weeks lineup and the commish should have made that move.
+1Still, the point is that the commish screwed this all up by going half-baked about it. Best remedy is to reset the lineup, let the man take his 50 point beating, and be done with it.

 
In the league I run I use the "Guru" projection for setting their lineup. Highest projections get the start. (sportsline commissioner)

That way I can say "hey, it's what the Guru would've done." I've only had to do it a few times, but it works.

 
Why in the hell do people wait till the end of the week to set their lineups??? Personally, mine is set right after watching the Monday night game. After that I may tinker throughtout the week based on injuried and matchups...

You went half-assed. If your team can't handle a single loss then you don't stand much of a chance at winning it all. Its one freakin game... take the loss and put in JJ or don't try and do anyone favors.

 
I agree he should not have done anything. I have posted that 3 times now. My point is that NO ONE SHOULD FEEL SORRY FOR THE OWNER IN THE ACCIDENT. He has no reason to complain. He could have started his lineup any time during the week before his accident.
What if the owner usually puts his lineup in on Sat.? Im sure if he knew he was going to be in an accident he would have done it earlier.
This whole situation is not the commissioner's fault.
I agree. But if he is going to make any moves at all, at least make the correct ones or none at all.
 
I commish 2 leagues....since you already messed with his lineup you should have put in the players that would have gave him the best chance of winning...Jones for Lundy is obvious as you put it....

you lose bro...take it like a man...

 
You shouldn't have done anything. If the accident had occurred on Mon or Tues then I might feel differently. If he didn't have a lineup in by Sat, he was asking for trouble already.

Don't listen to the cynics in this thread. You were very nice to give him some additional points. If he really pops off about it I would take those points away from him.

 
Look at me, i am a nice guy. i helped an old lady pick up her groceries...after i knocked them out of her hands while I was punching her in the face.

 
Look at me, i am a nice guy. i helped an old lady pick up her groceries...after i knocked them out of her hands while I was punching her in the face.
Why am I not surprised
Why? I don't know, because you can't understand truth?You want to know a true story -two weeks ago I was playing a guy in my money league and he didn't turn in a lineup because his wife's grandmother died and he went out of town for the funeral. I submitted a lineup for him that actually included his best players (not just the ones that would allow him to lose to me but not too badly). I lost. That is the right thing to do, not try to show how great you are by putting in most of a lineup, but not quite enough to beat you. Or, in my case I could have stuck to the letter of the rules and the poor sap loses his grandma-in-law and loses a stupid fantasy football game. I didn't want to be the guy that sent him spiralling into depression, where shortly thereafter I'd have to read about him setting up a deerstand in a local bell tower.In my case it helped the other guy that I also suck at fantasy football and am now 0-5 in the money league with a good shot at keeping my record perfect for at least a few more weeks.
 
In the league I run I use the "Guru" projection for setting their lineup. Highest projections get the start. (sportsline commissioner) That way I can say "hey, it's what the Guru would've done." I've only had to do it a few times, but it works.
:goodposting: i wonder if the Guru had Lundy over JJ? :thumbdown:
 
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