Doug Martin 2014 (2 Viewers)

[FlapJacks]

Well Dougie served up a turdburger for a couple of my teams today. Got injured to boot. Fun stuff.

Let's just hope it's not something that will linger or keep him out for a long time.

I think he briefly returned to the game after he got injured, which suggests it probably isn't a season-ending type of deal.

going back in after an injury is kind of risky...

 

[cvnpoka]

he looked awful. cost me one week. glad i only got him in one league and took leveon bell over him in other spots. hes lucky rainey fumbled otherwise he may have forced a committee. dude better show up next week.

 

[threeputt]

Frustrating game, no doubt. I'd be pacing back-n-forth all week had the Bucs been playing a shotty team/crummy defense. They weren't. Only midly concerned for the moment.

 

[IheartGuinness]

Yeah, I don't think I'll be starting him again unless I have no other choice.

 

[Ilov80s]

Yeah, I don't think I'll be starting him again unless I have no other choice.

That seems extreme.

 

[VikingFrog]

Any word on the injury?

 

[cvnpoka]

Yeah, I don't think I'll be starting him again unless I have no other choice.

That seems extreme.

seems prudent. its a passing league. just play any wr and get the guaranteed 60 yards with the possibility of more.

 

[IheartGuinness]

Yeah, I don't think I'll be starting him again unless I have no other choice.

That seems extreme.

We're not talking about Jamaal Charles, here. Martin was kind of an iffy play coming into the season anyway. And that entire offense looked terrible. Carolina's D is really solid, but I still have a hard time seeing him being a worthwhile weekly play.

 

[Ilov80s]

Yeah, I don't think I'll be starting him again unless I have no other choice.

That seems extreme.

seems prudent. its a passing league. just play any wr and get the guaranteed 60 yards with the possibility of more.

I can't start WRs in my RB slots.

 

[Ilov80s]

Yeah, I don't think I'll be starting him again unless I have no other choice.

That seems extreme.

We're not talking about Jamaal Charles, here. Martin was kind of an iffy play coming into the season anyway. And that entire offense looked terrible. Carolina's D is really solid, but I still have a hard time seeing him being a worthwhile weekly play.

He was Charles 2 years ago before he hurt his shoulder.

 

[Tool]

Amazing he was the 2nd or 3rd pick in most leagues last year.

 

[Ilov80s]

Amazing he was the 2nd or 3rd pick in most leagues last year.

Why? He had a crazy good rookie year.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

There was nowhere to run against Carolina's great front 7, so that part isn't too concerning.

However, it is concerning that he really, really sucked in the passing game. He whiffed on at least 3 blocks, several of which led to big plays the other way, and he had a bad drop as well. That doesn't bode well considering that Lovie/Tedford were already looking for someone to take the passing down role.

 

[ponchsox]

Remember that huge game on Thursday night a while ago? Has he done anything outside of that game?

 

[Ilov80s]

Remember that huge game on Thursday night a while ago? Has he done anything outside of that game?

Trolling?

 

[Ghost Rider]

Remember that huge game on Thursday night a while ago? Has he done anything outside of that game?

Yes.

 

[General Tso]

What did you expect this week? Worst O-line in football facing the best D-Line. It'll get better for Martin. Hopefully he didn't get hurt too seriously.

 

[ratbast]

Drop him then! Drop Dez Bryant while you are at it! Its overreaction week!

 

[Mozeta]

Amazing he was the 2nd or 3rd pick in most leagues last year.

Why? He had a crazy good rookie year.

What's even more amazing is he was a 2nd or 3rd round pick this year.

And actually he had a crazy good game or two his rookie year. Outside of that he hasn't done anything special. Even last year while healthy he was nothing but frustrating. The best thing that could happen to Martin owners now is find out early he is injured and can't play. then you don't have to "start your studs" and watch him score only a handful of points for you each week. If you took Martin this year it was probably with a high daft pick and you have to wait and see I guess, but I don't see it getting a whole lot better. I would hope for a decent game sometime soon and sell for as much as you can get. Maybe you could pull a fast one on the Trent Richardson owner.

 

[Reegus]

Amazing he was the 2nd or 3rd pick in most leagues last year.

Why? He had a crazy good rookie year.

What's even more amazing is he was a 2nd or 3rd round pick this year.And actually he had a crazy good game or two his rookie year. Outside of that he hasn't done anything special. Even last year while healthy he was nothing but frustrating. The best thing that could happen to Martin owners now is find out early he is injured and can't play. then you don't have to "start your studs" and watch him score only a handful of points for you each week. If you took Martin this year it was probably with a high daft pick and you have to wait and see I guess, but I don't see it getting a whole lot better. I would hope for a decent game sometime soon and sell for as much as you can get. Maybe you could pull a fast one on the Trent Richardson owner.

Never go full #######

 

[Ilov80s]

Amazing he was the 2nd or 3rd pick in most leagues last year.

Why? He had a crazy good rookie year.

What's even more amazing is he was a 2nd or 3rd round pick this year.And actually he had a crazy good game or two his rookie year. Outside of that he hasn't done anything special. Even last year while healthy he was nothing but frustrating. The best thing that could happen to Martin owners now is find out early he is injured and can't play. then you don't have to "start your studs" and watch him score only a handful of points for you each week. If you took Martin this year it was probably with a high daft pick and you have to wait and see I guess, but I don't see it getting a whole lot better. I would hope for a decent game sometime soon and sell for as much as you can get. Maybe you could pull a fast one on the Trent Richardson owner.

You have no clue what you are talking about.

 

[Vector]

The bad part about that is that even though Stacy plays 2XSeattle, 2XSF and 2XAriz I still have him ranked above Martin.

I'd say the bad part about that is actually you ranking Stacy ahead of Martin in the first place. Martin hurt his shoulder -- his leg didn't fall off.

Oof

 

[VikingFrog]

Any updates on his injury?

 

[IheartGuinness]

What's going on here? Is Martin injured? Is he just bad? Both?

I picked up Rainey from the WW, but I don't even know if he's a viable option this week.

 

[matttyl]

He apparently was back at practice today, I believe a full practice. Chris Long is out this weekend, maybe a nice rebound game?

 

[SameSongNDance]

He apparently was back at practice today, I believe a full practice. Chris Long is out this weekend, maybe a nice rebound game?

Believe him and Mankins were in pads but limited today.

 

[Mozeta]

Martin found the end zone this week for only the 2nd time in 2 years, so it looks like he has reached his ceiling and it's time to sell high if you can. I recommend selling for whatever you can get at this point. Maybe you can convince someone he has started to turn it around.

 

[qimqam]

Martin found the end zone this week for only the 2nd time in 2 years, so it looks like he has reached his ceiling and it's time to sell high if you can. I recommend selling for whatever you can get at this point. Maybe you can convince someone he has started to turn it around.

Why sell? He has no competition ....his backup struggled to average .5 yards per carry and averages ~1 fumble per game.

 

[matttyl]

Martin found the end zone this week for only the 2nd time in 2 years, so it looks like he has reached his ceiling and it's time to sell high if you can. I recommend selling for whatever you can get at this point. Maybe you can convince someone he has started to turn it around.

He does play New Orleans this coming week, who let Murray run for 149 yards (6.2 ypc) and 2 TDs. I'd say hold for at least another week.

He also has a game vs Green Bay (32nd vs the run) on championship weekend, and other games vs Carolina (27th), Chicago (20th), Atlanta (28th) and Cleveland (29th). So about half of his matchups the rest of the season are very favorable.

I also like that he got 16 touches to Rainey's 5.

 

[cvnpoka]

the steelers were a favorable matchup and he managed 40 yards on less than 3ypc

 

[TeeDub]

What other realistic rb are you going to be able to even trade him for?

 

[steveski]

Martin found the end zone this week for only the 2nd time in 2 years, so it looks like he has reached his ceiling and it's time to sell high if you can. I recommend selling for whatever you can get at this point. Maybe you can convince someone he has started to turn it around.

He does play New Orleans this coming week, who let Murray run for 149 yards (6.2 ypc) and 2 TDs. I'd say hold for at least another week.

He also has a game vs Green Bay (32nd vs the run) on championship weekend, and other games vs Carolina (27th), Chicago (20th), Atlanta (28th) and Cleveland (29th). So about half of his matchups the rest of the season are very favorable.

I also like that he got 16 touches to Rainey's 5.

The difference is TB's offensive line is atrocious, unlike Dallas. If TB can get in redzone situations then Martin will be decent because he'll get some TD's. Martin isn't going to be winning you weeks because of his yards.

 

[Donnybrook]

Martin found the end zone this week for only the 2nd time in 2 years, so it looks like he has reached his ceiling and it's time to sell high if you can. I recommend selling for whatever you can get at this point. Maybe you can convince someone he has started to turn it around.

He does play New Orleans this coming week, who let Murray run for 149 yards (6.2 ypc) and 2 TDs. I'd say hold for at least another week.

He also has a game vs Green Bay (32nd vs the run) on championship weekend, and other games vs Carolina (27th), Chicago (20th), Atlanta (28th) and Cleveland (29th). So about half of his matchups the rest of the season are very favorable.

I also like that he got 16 touches to Rainey's 5.

Carolina is a team I can't figure out. Defense looked dominant against NFC opponents especially Tampa but below average against AFC opponents. I was dumb-founded when Pittsburgh ran all over them.

 

[matttyl]

Martin found the end zone this week for only the 2nd time in 2 years, so it looks like he has reached his ceiling and it's time to sell high if you can. I recommend selling for whatever you can get at this point. Maybe you can convince someone he has started to turn it around.

He does play New Orleans this coming week, who let Murray run for 149 yards (6.2 ypc) and 2 TDs. I'd say hold for at least another week.

He also has a game vs Green Bay (32nd vs the run) on championship weekend, and other games vs Carolina (27th), Chicago (20th), Atlanta (28th) and Cleveland (29th). So about half of his matchups the rest of the season are very favorable.

I also like that he got 16 touches to Rainey's 5.

Carolina is a team I can't figure out. Defense looked dominant against NFC opponents especially Tampa but below average against AFC opponents. I was dumb-founded when Pittsburgh ran all over them.

And now Charles Johnson is out for a bit, though very much likely to be back before their next matchup. They likely looked good vs Tampa Bay because Tampa Bay just isn't that good.

Given all the trials (literally and figuratively) and tribulations of other RBs in the NFL, though, Martin may make a decent enough #2 type RB, especially in those matchups.

 

[cvnpoka]

Martin found the end zone this week for only the 2nd time in 2 years, so it looks like he has reached his ceiling and it's time to sell high if you can. I recommend selling for whatever you can get at this point. Maybe you can convince someone he has started to turn it around.

He does play New Orleans this coming week, who let Murray run for 149 yards (6.2 ypc) and 2 TDs. I'd say hold for at least another week.

He also has a game vs Green Bay (32nd vs the run) on championship weekend, and other games vs Carolina (27th), Chicago (20th), Atlanta (28th) and Cleveland (29th). So about half of his matchups the rest of the season are very favorable.

I also like that he got 16 touches to Rainey's 5.

The difference is TB's offensive line is atrocious, unlike Dallas. If TB can get in redzone situations then Martin will be decent because he'll get some TD's. Martin isn't going to be winning you weeks because of his yards.

rainey put up a ton of yards against a decent rams defense behind the same line.

 

[qimqam]

Martin found the end zone this week for only the 2nd time in 2 years, so it looks like he has reached his ceiling and it's time to sell high if you can. I recommend selling for whatever you can get at this point. Maybe you can convince someone he has started to turn it around.

He does play New Orleans this coming week, who let Murray run for 149 yards (6.2 ypc) and 2 TDs. I'd say hold for at least another week.

He also has a game vs Green Bay (32nd vs the run) on championship weekend, and other games vs Carolina (27th), Chicago (20th), Atlanta (28th) and Cleveland (29th). So about half of his matchups the rest of the season are very favorable.

I also like that he got 16 touches to Rainey's 5.

The difference is TB's offensive line is atrocious, unlike Dallas. If TB can get in redzone situations then Martin will be decent because he'll get some TD's. Martin isn't going to be winning you weeks because of his yards.

rainey put up a ton of yards against a decent rams defense behind the same line.

and .5 per carry against Pitt

Martin averaged more than 2 yards per carry more than Rainey ... Thats over 4 x better.

He was 400% better than Rainey and he scored a TD !!!

And against the same team !!!!

And behind the same line .... OMG !!!!

I know ... Just letting Rainey owners get a taste of their own non-sense

 

[Todem]

Martin found the end zone this week for only the 2nd time in 2 years, so it looks like he has reached his ceiling and it's time to sell high if you can. I recommend selling for whatever you can get at this point. Maybe you can convince someone he has started to turn it around.

He does play New Orleans this coming week, who let Murray run for 149 yards (6.2 ypc) and 2 TDs. I'd say hold for at least another week.

He also has a game vs Green Bay (32nd vs the run) on championship weekend, and other games vs Carolina (27th), Chicago (20th), Atlanta (28th) and Cleveland (29th). So about half of his matchups the rest of the season are very favorable.

I also like that he got 16 touches to Rainey's 5.

The difference is TB's offensive line is atrocious, unlike Dallas. If TB can get in redzone situations then Martin will be decent because he'll get some TD's. Martin isn't going to be winning you weeks because of his yards.

rainey put up a ton of yards against a decent rams defense behind the same line.

and .5 per carry against Pitt

Martin averaged more than 2 yards per carry more than Rainey ... Thats over 4 x better.

He was 400% better than Rainey and he scored a TD !!!

And against the same team !!!!

And behind the same line .... OMG !!!!

I know ... Just letting Rainey owners get a taste of their own non-sense

So who has looked like the better and more effective runner thus far?

Certainly not Martin.

 

[Reegus]

Martin found the end zone this week for only the 2nd time in 2 years, so it looks like he has reached his ceiling and it's time to sell high if you can. I recommend selling for whatever you can get at this point. Maybe you can convince someone he has started to turn it around.

He does play New Orleans this coming week, who let Murray run for 149 yards (6.2 ypc) and 2 TDs. I'd say hold for at least another week.He also has a game vs Green Bay (32nd vs the run) on championship weekend, and other games vs Carolina (27th), Chicago (20th), Atlanta (28th) and Cleveland (29th). So about half of his matchups the rest of the season are very favorable.

I also like that he got 16 touches to Rainey's 5.

The difference is TB's offensive line is atrocious, unlike Dallas. If TB can get in redzone situations then Martin will be decent because he'll get some TD's. Martin isn't going to be winning you weeks because of his yards.

rainey put up a ton of yards against a decent rams defense behind the same line.

and .5 per carry against PittMartin averaged more than 2 yards per carry more than Rainey ... Thats over 4 x better.

He was 400% better than Rainey and he scored a TD !!!

And against the same team !!!!

And behind the same line .... OMG !!!!

I know ... Just letting Rainey owners get a taste of their own non-sense

So who has looked like the better and more effective runner thus far?Certainly not Martin.

Are we taking fumbles into consideration... Because Rainey has a knack of fumbling games away.

 

[qimqam]

Martin found the end zone this week for only the 2nd time in 2 years, so it looks like he has reached his ceiling and it's time to sell high if you can. I recommend selling for whatever you can get at this point. Maybe you can convince someone he has started to turn it around.

He does play New Orleans this coming week, who let Murray run for 149 yards (6.2 ypc) and 2 TDs. I'd say hold for at least another week.

He also has a game vs Green Bay (32nd vs the run) on championship weekend, and other games vs Carolina (27th), Chicago (20th), Atlanta (28th) and Cleveland (29th). So about half of his matchups the rest of the season are very favorable.

I also like that he got 16 touches to Rainey's 5.

The difference is TB's offensive line is atrocious, unlike Dallas. If TB can get in redzone situations then Martin will be decent because he'll get some TD's. Martin isn't going to be winning you weeks because of his yards.

rainey put up a ton of yards against a decent rams defense behind the same line.

and .5 per carry against Pitt

Martin averaged more than 2 yards per carry more than Rainey ... Thats over 4 x better.

He was 400% better than Rainey and he scored a TD !!!

And against the same team !!!!

And behind the same line .... OMG !!!!

I know ... Just letting Rainey owners get a taste of their own non-sense

So who has looked like the better and more effective runner thus far?

Certainly not Martin.

Last 2 games ...Martin

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

Amazing he was the 2nd or 3rd pick in most leagues last year.

Why? He had a crazy good rookie year.

What's even more amazing is he was a 2nd or 3rd round pick this year.And actually he had a crazy good game or two his rookie year. Outside of that he hasn't done anything special. Even last year while healthy he was nothing but frustrating. The best thing that could happen to Martin owners now is find out early he is injured and can't play. then you don't have to "start your studs" and watch him score only a handful of points for you each week. If you took Martin this year it was probably with a high daft pick and you have to wait and see I guess, but I don't see it getting a whole lot better. I would hope for a decent game sometime soon and sell for as much as you can get. Maybe you could pull a fast one on the Trent Richardson owner.

Never go full #######

Farting in bath tubs and laughing your ### off.

 

[TD Ryan]

I noticed Rainey was in at the end of the game... anyone know why Doug Martin wasn't part of that game closing/winning drive?

 

[mnmplayer]

2 minute drill?

 

[JohnnyU]

ESPN Bucs reporter suggests Doug Martin (ankle, questionable) could be the third man in a two-back rotation for the rest of the season.
Even if Martin's ankle is healed up, he could very well be behind both Bobby Rainey and Charles Sims. Martin has averaged a brutal 3.36 YPC over the last two seasons, also struggling in pass protection. Inherited by this Lovie Smith regime, he was on the trade block at last week's deadline. Martin is a drop candidate in 10- and 12-team formats. Nov 4 - 10:17 AM
His 2015 salary is 1.3 million and he's a FA in 2016. Perhaps he lands back on his feet somewhere else if TB cuts bait next season. $1,315,572$1,315,572

 

[Isotopes]

Back at practice today, and apparently healthy. Neither Rainey nor Sims has showed any signs of running away with the job. Any chance he becomes fantasy relevant again this year?

 

[Shutout]

Back at practice today, and apparently healthy. Neither Rainey nor Sims has showed any signs of running away with the job. Any chance he becomes fantasy relevant again this year?

Josh Gordon in a skillet (flash in a pan). Time to cut the cord. He is not endeared by his current staff and hasn't played well enough to make them shut up and take it. He will never be relevant in Tampa again. The season is close to being lost and Smith's in that "develop/build/finding out what the team is going to shape up to be" phase.

Smith is not going to spend the next month of meaningless games giving Martin enough run to make him fantasy worthy. there is no real-life motivation to do it since he would be better off tinkering while he is still in his honeymoon phase, finding out what he's got with this team.

 

[tdmills]

The perception of Martin is flawed by most people in my opinion.

He was a rookie and his first 5 or 6 games he looked a little lost. He missed cut backs and missed holes to run through. During that time he averaged under 4 yards a carry. Once he seemed to figure it out he averaged around 5 yards per and was a nice player.

He did struggle to start 2013, I am not sure if it was because the Bucs were a mess, or it was him, but saying the guys that replaced him after injury did that much better is false for a couple reasons. First Rainey averaged 3.7 a carry, however people feel better about what he did because you picked him up off the waivers and it was easier to justify his inconsistent performances. James averaged 5 yards per carrying but it was a small sample size.

Take out his 1 huge game vs the raiders and here are his numbers.

21 games

421 carries for 1659 yards 4.1. 8td, 57 receptions for 517 yards 1 TD.

Per game 20 for 79 .4 TD, 3 rec for 25 yards .05 TD

Is that top 5 dynasty pick production? That's with schiano force feeding him touches

I tried to help you guys, but some are too prideful to see the truth

 

[packersfan]

I think it's possible Martin takes over as the backup ahead of Rainey but all indications are the Bucs want to take a good, long look at Sims the rest of the way. That's smart. They need to find out if he can be a starting RB or if they have to look for one in the draft next since Martin almost certainly won't be back.

 

[qimqam]

The perception of Martin is flawed by most people in my opinion.

He was a rookie and his first 5 or 6 games he looked a little lost. He missed cut backs and missed holes to run through. During that time he averaged under 4 yards a carry. Once he seemed to figure it out he averaged around 5 yards per and was a nice player.

He did struggle to start 2013, I am not sure if it was because the Bucs were a mess, or it was him, but saying the guys that replaced him after injury did that much better is false for a couple reasons. First Rainey averaged 3.7 a carry, however people feel better about what he did because you picked him up off the waivers and it was easier to justify his inconsistent performances. James averaged 5 yards per carrying but it was a small sample size.

Take out his 1 huge game vs the raiders and here are his numbers.

21 games

421 carries for 1659 yards 4.1. 8td, 57 receptions for 517 yards 1 TD.

Per game 20 for 79 .4 TD, 3 rec for 25 yards .05 TD

Is that top 5 dynasty pick production? That's with schiano force feeding him touches

I tried to help you guys, but some are too prideful to see the truth

Take away his best game and he is averaging 100 total yards and ~50% chance of a TD per game ... That's pretty good 1600 Total yds and 8 tds

 

[cdubz]

The perception of Martin is flawed by most people in my opinion.

He was a rookie and his first 5 or 6 games he looked a little lost. He missed cut backs and missed holes to run through. During that time he averaged under 4 yards a carry. Once he seemed to figure it out he averaged around 5 yards per and was a nice player.

He did struggle to start 2013, I am not sure if it was because the Bucs were a mess, or it was him, but saying the guys that replaced him after injury did that much better is false for a couple reasons. First Rainey averaged 3.7 a carry, however people feel better about what he did because you picked him up off the waivers and it was easier to justify his inconsistent performances. James averaged 5 yards per carrying but it was a small sample size.

Take out his 1 huge game vs the raiders and here are his numbers.

21 games

421 carries for 1659 yards 4.1. 8td, 57 receptions for 517 yards 1 TD.

Per game 20 for 79 .4 TD, 3 rec for 25 yards .05 TD

Is that top 5 dynasty pick production? That's with schiano force feeding him touches

I tried to help you guys, but some are too prideful to see the truth

Not to be obnoxious, but what exactly were you telling at that point? That without the Raiders game he averaged 16.1 PPG in a PPR setting?

I will give you credit that you made the qualitative assertion that Schiano was force feeding him which speaks to a lack of confidence in his talent level.

 

[steelers1080]

Since his rookie season he's had 600 yards and 2 TDs in 11 games. That's approx 6 pts per game.

He's had 1 game over 100 yards in the last season and a half... His rookie year was an anomaly and he looks to be done.