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Lock out in the middle of the draft.
It's just the stay before the appeals court rules on the real stay early next week. If the appeals court does indeed grant that stay until they hear the case on June 13th, it's going to suck for all of us as the lockout gets entrenched.
Painful for the undrafted rookies who won't be able to sign, though. Changes the 6th and 7th round a bit.
The appeals court listens to the players request to deny the stay on Monday. I am hopeful that it's a moving pitch and the league is back open on Tuesday or Wednesday. But if the stay is granted...yes it's really going to suck for anyone not drafted (and all the vets that are free agents now)
 
Why do people think that Arizona is a great destination for Ryan Williams? They're a terrible run blocking team, and have two other viable NFL backs in Beanie and Hightower. I can't think of many teams that I think would be a worse destination that the Cards. What am I missing?
Beanie is not viable. Sorry.
Huh? Not durable, but definitely viable. I assume this is Whiz's plan to get Wells to play through injuries and otherwise get the most out of himself.
 
Finally some fantasy relevance. Bad destination for Rudolph.

Titus Young I like to the Lions. Lions really needed some speed on the other side of CJ. Great move, I like it.

 
RYAN WILLIAMS !!!1111Hokies Represent!Love the pick for the Cards. Move him up your draft boards.
I've already been pimping this guy in the Survivor league threads, welcome to the bandwagon I started Pasquino.Williams has more upside than any other RB in this draft, and even from last year's draft for that matter.Could be a homerun type of pick.
Don't even try it, Pac-10 Boy. Virginia Tech is one team I follow in college, and I've been "on that bandwagon" for quite a while.There's plenty of room, even for you. Welcome aboard. :)Let me know when you start the ***Official*** Bandwagon thread.
:lol: I've been trapped in Virginia this year, RW was one of the bright spots for football in the state. (Great year for basketball though). But how am I supposed to move him up the draft board when he's already my 1.04?Nice to see Barry out there. :excited:and hey, a WR!
 
Why do people think that Arizona is a great destination for Ryan Williams? They're a terrible run blocking team, and have two other viable NFL backs in Beanie and Hightower. I can't think of many teams that I think would be a worse destination that the Cards. What am I missing?
Beanie is not viable. Sorry.
So they're going to cut him? Doesn't he have a couple years left on his contract? Do you think this lights a fire under his a? I'm not seeing Arizona as anywhere near a "good" destination. Please explain further than "Beanie is not viable."
He's been given a ton of opportunity and done very little with it. He's had more chances to be a feature RB or even a GL RB for the Cards yet he still couldn't hold on to that spot on the depth chart. Tim Hightower is OK, but he's certainly not a feature guy and he got far more chances in AZ because Wells couldn't step up. Hightower was more of the GL guy than Wells last year.Could Wells turn it around? Sure, but I doubt it.
 
Not a fan of Titus at all, but I see what the Lions are thinking here. Bring him in slowly as a stretch the field slot guy and then transition from Burleson to him in time if he develops some physical edge and consistency.

 
Lock out in the middle of the draft.
It's just the stay before the appeals court rules on the real stay early next week. If the appeals court does indeed grant that stay until they hear the case on June 13th, it's going to suck for all of us as the lockout gets entrenched.
Painful for the undrafted rookies who won't be able to sign, though. Changes the 6th and 7th round a bit.
The appeals court listens to the players request to deny the stay on Monday. I am hopeful that it's a moving pitch and the league is back open on Tuesday or Wednesday. But if the stay is granted...yes it's really going to suck for anyone not drafted (and all the vets that are free agents now)
Can't even gauge the interest of the rookie free agents tomorrow with the lockout back in place, though, right? That's a big deal for end-of-draft planning.Could have a big impact for fantasy folks (assuming things don't settle out early next week in the players' favor) with all the interesting RB prospects that were likely to be left over after the draft ends.
 
Why do people think that Arizona is a great destination for Ryan Williams? They're a terrible run blocking team, and have two other viable NFL backs in Beanie and Hightower. I can't think of many teams that I think would be a worse destination that the Cards. What am I missing?
Beanie is not viable. Sorry.
So they're going to cut him? Doesn't he have a couple years left on his contract? Do you think this lights a fire under his a? I'm not seeing Arizona as anywhere near a "good" destination. Please explain further than "Beanie is not viable."
He's been given a ton of opportunity and done very little with it. He's had more chances to be a feature RB or even a GL RB for the Cards yet he still couldn't hold on to that spot on the depth chart. Tim Hightower is OK, but he's certainly not a feature guy and he got far more chances in AZ because Wells couldn't step up. Hightower was more of the GL guy than Wells last year.Could Wells turn it around? Sure, but I doubt it.
Wells stepped up late in 09 once he finally got over his early injury. He got hurt in September last year and the team thinks he was never 100%. This is not about Wells failure on the field, it is about his failure to get ON the field - or at least on the field at full speed. He could definitely still pan out, he won't be 23 until August. Too much Hokie homer wishful thinking going on here.Sounds like a its a perfect buy low moment for Wells, people are already digging a grave for a 22 year old RB. Again I say remember DeAngelo's season after the Panthers took Stewart.
 
Lock out in the middle of the draft.
It's just the stay before the appeals court rules on the real stay early next week. If the appeals court does indeed grant that stay until they hear the case on June 13th, it's going to suck for all of us as the lockout gets entrenched.
Painful for the undrafted rookies who won't be able to sign, though. Changes the 6th and 7th round a bit.
The appeals court listens to the players request to deny the stay on Monday. I am hopeful that it's a moving pitch and the league is back open on Tuesday or Wednesday. But if the stay is granted...yes it's really going to suck for anyone not drafted (and all the vets that are free agents now)
Can't even gauge the interest of the rookie free agents tomorrow with the lockout back in place, though, right? That's a big deal for end-of-draft planning.Could have a big impact for fantasy folks (assuming things don't settle out early next week in the players' favor) with all the interesting RB prospects that were likely to be left over after the draft ends.
there will be lots of "understandings" about team-UDFA agreements, the agents wouldn't really let their guys dangle like that and risk them jumping to the UFL
 
Why do people think that Arizona is a great destination for Ryan Williams? They're a terrible run blocking team, and have two other viable NFL backs in Beanie and Hightower. I can't think of many teams that I think would be a worse destination that the Cards. What am I missing?
Beanie is not viable. Sorry.
Huh? Not durable, but definitely viable. I assume this is Whiz's plan to get Wells to play through injuries and otherwise get the most out of himself.
I don't agree about Wells, even before this pick. Given all the RBs coming into the league this year, it seemed that AZ would draft another RB to try and kick start their ground game. A little surprising they went RB this early, but I love the pick for them. I don't see many more chances for Wells, and I was never very high on him. I guess it depends on how you judge the "viable" term. I don't see him becoming a feature RB or a Top 20 RB in the NFL - ever.
 
Not a fan of Titus at all, but I see what the Lions are thinking here. Bring him in slowly as a stretch the field slot guy and then transition from Burleson to him in time if he develops some physical edge and consistency.
Why are you down on Titus? I may not have seen as much of him as you (very probable) but I thought he was pretty athletic and had good hands. Nice opportunity here to become a very viable NFL WR2.
 
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not a big fan of this pick by the Lions. Awfully smallish by NFL standards
he's got quicks. Just realized, he's exactly what I weighed in at the other day. Pretty sure I'd get killed by an NFL DB.
I agree he is quick. But for every Steve Smith (Car), I think there are countless small guys that bust in the league. Usually these small guys have trouble even getting off clean from the line of scrimmage.
 
Why do people think that Arizona is a great destination for Ryan Williams? They're a terrible run blocking team, and have two other viable NFL backs in Beanie and Hightower. I can't think of many teams that I think would be a worse destination that the Cards. What am I missing?
Beanie is not viable. Sorry.
So they're going to cut him? Doesn't he have a couple years left on his contract? Do you think this lights a fire under his a? I'm not seeing Arizona as anywhere near a "good" destination. Please explain further than "Beanie is not viable."
He's been given a ton of opportunity and done very little with it. He's had more chances to be a feature RB or even a GL RB for the Cards yet he still couldn't hold on to that spot on the depth chart. Tim Hightower is OK, but he's certainly not a feature guy and he got far more chances in AZ because Wells couldn't step up. Hightower was more of the GL guy than Wells last year.Could Wells turn it around? Sure, but I doubt it.
Wells stepped up late in 09 once he finally got over his early injury. He got hurt in September last year and the team thinks he was never 100%. This is not about Wells failure on the field, it is about his failure to get ON the field - or at least on the field at full speed. He could definitely still pan out, he won't be 23 until August. Too much Hokie homer wishful thinking going on here.Sounds like a its a perfect buy low moment for Wells, people are already digging a grave for a 22 year old RB. Again I say remember DeAngelo's season after the Panthers took Stewart.
:goodposting:
 
Lock out in the middle of the draft.
It's just the stay before the appeals court rules on the real stay early next week. If the appeals court does indeed grant that stay until they hear the case on June 13th, it's going to suck for all of us as the lockout gets entrenched.
Painful for the undrafted rookies who won't be able to sign, though. Changes the 6th and 7th round a bit.
The appeals court listens to the players request to deny the stay on Monday. I am hopeful that it's a moving pitch and the league is back open on Tuesday or Wednesday. But if the stay is granted...yes it's really going to suck for anyone not drafted (and all the vets that are free agents now)
Can't even gauge the interest of the rookie free agents tomorrow with the lockout back in place, though, right? That's a big deal for end-of-draft planning.Could have a big impact for fantasy folks (assuming things don't settle out early next week in the players' favor) with all the interesting RB prospects that were likely to be left over after the draft ends.
This will greatly impact trading tomorrow. SF and PHI with 12 and 10 picks total, respectively, have good value to add now.
 
Why do people think that Arizona is a great destination for Ryan Williams? They're a terrible run blocking team, and have two other viable NFL backs in Beanie and Hightower. I can't think of many teams that I think would be a worse destination that the Cards. What am I missing?
opportunity, that's it - assuming that Wells is on the outs. Of course, Arizona isn't going to outright cut Wells and I don't expect them to trade him at a deep discount either. So we could have a DeAngelo/Stewart (albeit in a terrible run game) situation brewing.
Williams is better than Wells. It may take a year to learn the NFL game, but there is no question in my mind that Williams outproduces the P.O.S. Beanie Wells.

Should have never drafted a Big10 runningback. :X

 
Not a fan of Titus at all, but I see what the Lions are thinking here. Bring him in slowly as a stretch the field slot guy and then transition from Burleson to him in time if he develops some physical edge and consistency.
Why are you down on Titus? I may not have seen as much of him as you (very probable) but I thought he was pretty athletic and had good hands. Nice opportunity here to become a very viable NFL WR2.
Inconsistent hands/ball skills and gets pushed around way too easy by physical corners
 
Not a fan of Titus at all, but I see what the Lions are thinking here. Bring him in slowly as a stretch the field slot guy and then transition from Burleson to him in time if he develops some physical edge and consistency.
Why are you down on Titus? I may not have seen as much of him as you (very probable) but I thought he was pretty athletic and had good hands. Nice opportunity here to become a very viable NFL WR2.
I like the pick of Titus Young to Detroit. He may be smallish, but that's the growing trend for speedy, quick WRs. He can also help out on special teams right away - punt returns especially. He definitely adds a nice compliment to CJ. As for Beanie...he has yet to answer the bell. I am not sure if he will - especially if Ryan Williams, who I like a lot, performs well.
 
Deangelo dominated at the end of his 2nd year and really never got many opportunities. Beanie has been handed the opportunity and failed to jump up and grab it for 2 straight years. Huge difference in the two situations.

 
Why do people think that Arizona is a great destination for Ryan Williams? They're a terrible run blocking team, and have two other viable NFL backs in Beanie and Hightower. I can't think of many teams that I think would be a worse destination that the Cards. What am I missing?
Beanie is not viable. Sorry.
So they're going to cut him? Doesn't he have a couple years left on his contract? Do you think this lights a fire under his a? I'm not seeing Arizona as anywhere near a "good" destination. Please explain further than "Beanie is not viable."
He's been given a ton of opportunity and done very little with it. He's had more chances to be a feature RB or even a GL RB for the Cards yet he still couldn't hold on to that spot on the depth chart. Tim Hightower is OK, but he's certainly not a feature guy and he got far more chances in AZ because Wells couldn't step up. Hightower was more of the GL guy than Wells last year.Could Wells turn it around? Sure, but I doubt it.
word on the street here in Phoenix is that the Cardinals coaching staff is not pleased with his effort...Beanie has all the talent in the world, but if he's not going to assert himself he's useless.The Cards coaches are just fed up with him.
 
Not a fan of Titus at all, but I see what the Lions are thinking here. Bring him in slowly as a stretch the field slot guy and then transition from Burleson to him in time if he develops some physical edge and consistency.
Why are you down on Titus? I may not have seen as much of him as you (very probable) but I thought he was pretty athletic and had good hands. Nice opportunity here to become a very viable NFL WR2.
Inconsistent hands/ball skills and gets pushed around way too easy by physical corners
OK - can he be a slot / WR3 then? Detroit certainly lacks there as well. Moving to the slot could help with the press coverage, although I'm sure teams will scout him and jam him if he isn't in motion.If that's his game, then that does limit his viability and makes him a reach here in Round 2.
 
not a big fan of this pick by the Lions. Awfully smallish by NFL standards
he's got quicks. Just realized, he's exactly what I weighed in at the other day. Pretty sure I'd get killed by an NFL DB.
I agree he is quick. But for every Steve Smith (Car), I think there are countless small guys that bust in the league. Usually these small guys have trouble even getting off clean from the line of scrimmage.
I was thinking more along the lines of DeSean Jackson but you're right that these are the exceptions.
Titus Young IMHO, could be a good slot WR or WR2...he's not a WR#1 and never will be IMHO.
:shrug: he won't have to be.
 
So people can keep track of who has been taken and the top players left.

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Second round (number right before name is rating by Rick Gosselin)

Pick

1-33 --- New England Patriots -- 46, CB Ras-I Dowling Virginia

2-34 -- Buffalo Bills -- 31, Aaron Williams CB Texas

3-35 -- Cincinnati Bengals -- 34, Andy Dalton QB TCU

4-36 -- **TRADE** San Francisco 49ers acquire pick from Denver Broncos --

63, Colin Kaepernick QB Nevada

5-37 -- Cleveland Browns -- 82, Jabaal Sheard OLB Pittsburgh

6-38 -- Arizona Cardinals -- 36, Ryan Williams RB Virginia Tech

7-39 -- Tennessee Titans -- 38, Akeem Ayers S UCLA

8-40 -- Dallas Cowboys -- 65, Bruce Carter OLB North Carolina

9-41 -- Washington Redskins -- 49, Jarvis Jenkins DT Clemson

10-42 -- Houston Texans -- 44, Brooks Reed DE Arizona

11-43 -- Minnesota Vikings -- 39, Kyle Rudolph TE Notre Dame

12-44 -- Detroit Lions -- 52, Titus Young WR Boise State

13-45 -- Denver Broncos -- 47, Rahim Moore S UCLA

14-46 -- Denver Broncos -- 50, Orlando Franklin OT Miami

15-47 -- St. Louis --

16-48 -- Oakland --

17-49 -- Jacksonville --

18-50 -- San Diego --

19-51 -- Tampa Bay --

20-52 -- New York Giants --

21-53 -- Indianapolis --

22-54 -- Philadelphia --

23-55 -- Kansas City --

24-56 -- New England (from New Orleans) --

25-57 -- Seattle --

26-58 -- Baltimore --

27-59 -- Cleveland (from Atlanta) --

28-60 -- New England --

29-61 -- San Diego (from NY Jets) --

30-62 -- Chicago --

31-63 -- Pittsburgh --

32-64 -- Green Bay --

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Highest rated players on Rick Gosselin’s top-100 list

22, Da'Quan Bowers DE Clemson

26, Marvin Austin DT North Carolina

35, Marcus Cannon G TCU

40, Ryan Mallett QB Arkansas

42, Daniel Thomas RB Kansas State

43, Greg Little WR North Carolina

45, Kenrick Ellis DT Hampton

48, Torrey Smith WR Maryland

51, Mikel Leshoure RB Illinois

53, Lance Kendricks TE Wisconsin

54, Stephen Paea DT Oregon State

55, Randall Cobb WR Kentucky

56, Will Rackley G Lehigh

57, Edmond Gates WR Abilene Christian

58, Allen Bailey DE Miami

59, Terrell McClain DT South Florida

60, Martez Wilson OLB Illinois

61, Shareece Wright CB Southern California

62, Taiwan Jones RB Eastern Washington

64, Brandon Harris CB Miami

66, Rodney Hudson C Florida State

67, Dontay Moch DE Nevada

68, Shane Vereen RB California

69, Luke Stocker TE Tennessee

70, Jah Reid OT Central Florida

71, Leonard Hankerson WR Miami

72, Marcus Gilchrist CB Clemson

73, Steve Wisniewski C Penn State

74, Kendall Hunter RB Oklahoma State

75, K.J. Wright OLB Mississippi State

76, John Moffitt G Georgia

77, Tandon Doss WR Indiana

78, Drake Nevis DT LSU

79, Marcus Gilbert OT Florida

80, Pernell McPhee DE Mississippi State

81, Ben Ijalana G Villanova

83, Jalil Brown CB Colorado

84, DeMarco Murray RB Oklahoma

85, Rashad Carmichael CBVirginia Tech

86, Jerrel Jernigan WR Troy

87, Johnny Patrick CB Louisville

88, Jurrell Casey DT Southern California

89, Clint Boling G Georgia

90, Bilal Powell RB Louisville

91, Ricky Stanzi QB Iowa

92, Jaiquawn Jarrett S Temple

93, Brandon Burton CB Utah

94, Sam Acho DE Texas

95, James Brewer OT Indiana

96, Rob Housler TE Florida Atlantic

97, Quinton Carter S Oklahoma

98, Jerrell Powe NY Mississippi

99, Colin McCarthy OLB Miami

100, David Arkin OT Missouri Stat

 
Not a fan of Titus at all, but I see what the Lions are thinking here. Bring him in slowly as a stretch the field slot guy and then transition from Burleson to him in time if he develops some physical edge and consistency.
Why are you down on Titus? I may not have seen as much of him as you (very probable) but I thought he was pretty athletic and had good hands. Nice opportunity here to become a very viable NFL WR2.
Inconsistent hands/ball skills and gets pushed around way too easy by physical corners
OK - can he be a slot / WR3 then? Detroit certainly lacks there as well.
Sure, do you really want to be drafting a WR3 in the early 2nd.
 
Not a fan of Titus at all, but I see what the Lions are thinking here. Bring him in slowly as a stretch the field slot guy and then transition from Burleson to him in time if he develops some physical edge and consistency.
Why are you down on Titus? I may not have seen as much of him as you (very probable) but I thought he was pretty athletic and had good hands. Nice opportunity here to become a very viable NFL WR2.
Inconsistent hands/ball skills and gets pushed around way too easy by physical corners
OK - can he be a slot / WR3 then? Detroit certainly lacks there as well. Moving to the slot could help with the press coverage, although I'm sure teams will scout him and jam him if he isn't in motion.If that's his game, then that does limit his viability and makes him a reach here in Round 2.
The hands comment has me reconsidering his value.
 
not a big fan of this pick by the Lions. Awfully smallish by NFL standards
he's got quicks. Just realized, he's exactly what I weighed in at the other day. Pretty sure I'd get killed by an NFL DB.
I agree he is quick. But for every Steve Smith (Car), I think there are countless small guys that bust in the league. Usually these small guys have trouble even getting off clean from the line of scrimmage.
I was thinking more along the lines of DeSean Jackson but you're right that these are the exceptions.
Titus Young IMHO, could be a good slot WR or WR2...he's not a WR#1 and never will be IMHO.
:shrug: he won't have to be.
:goodposting: I don't think he was drafted to supplant Calvin. If he does turn out to be a "poor man's Desean Jackson", that will be big for Detroit. I would have preferred Cobb to Young, but it should still be a great need pick for Stafford.
 
Not a fan of Titus at all, but I see what the Lions are thinking here. Bring him in slowly as a stretch the field slot guy and then transition from Burleson to him in time if he develops some physical edge and consistency.
Why are you down on Titus? I may not have seen as much of him as you (very probable) but I thought he was pretty athletic and had good hands. Nice opportunity here to become a very viable NFL WR2.
Inconsistent hands/ball skills and gets pushed around way too easy by physical corners
OK - can he be a slot / WR3 then? Detroit certainly lacks there as well. Moving to the slot could help with the press coverage, although I'm sure teams will scout him and jam him if he isn't in motion.If that's his game, then that does limit his viability and makes him a reach here in Round 2.
The hands comment has me reconsidering his value.
Honestly it will take quite a while to sort through the values for the rookies.Fantasy emphasizes RBs for the most part, and many will be sliding well into Day 3 picks.
 
not a big fan of this pick by the Lions. Awfully smallish by NFL standards
he's got quicks. Just realized, he's exactly what I weighed in at the other day. Pretty sure I'd get killed by an NFL DB.
I agree he is quick. But for every Steve Smith (Car), I think there are countless small guys that bust in the league. Usually these small guys have trouble even getting off clean from the line of scrimmage.
I was thinking more along the lines of DeSean Jackson but you're right that these are the exceptions.
Titus Young IMHO, could be a good slot WR or WR2...he's not a WR#1 and never will be IMHO.
:shrug: he won't have to be.
So as an NFL GM you're looking draft a slot WR in the early 2nd.
 

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