Draft Chat With our Draftniks Matt Waldman and Sigmund Bloom Tonight D (1 Viewer)

[Matt Waldman]

Ingram has devastating knee issue according to Lombardi We'll see if it happens.

I missed that, did he say that? I don't think that is accurate at all.

He said leading up to draft that teams were taking Ingram off boards due to degenerative knee. Just being a smart aleck about Lombardi's calls.

 

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brutal FF draft if you ned help at RB. Maybe Hunter or even Jones will land in a nice spot

?? I disagree totally.

except Vareen eh?

Ingram, Leshoure, Williams, Thomas...I really like all four of these situations. Kendall Hunter will possibly be my fifth favorite back depending on where he goes.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Belichick is the new Shanahan. At least you know that now instead of August.

 

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Ingram has devastating knee issue according to Lombardi We'll see if it happens.

I missed that, did he say that? I don't think that is accurate at all.

He said leading up to draft that teams were taking Ingram off boards due to degenerative knee. Just being a smart aleck about Lombardi's calls.

ok gotcha. I don't like Lombardi and Lacanfora. Seem like a couple geeks to me. But then my wife thinks I'm a total geek right now too.

 

[Matt Waldman]

I love how Gruden can barely contain himself around Kiper. He just gave a punch to McShay while giggling as Kiper talked.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

"Michael Lombardi said weeks ago that the best thing for Ryan Mallett is to not get selected high"

I thought that was why he's in the third round.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

The Vereen train continues to sputter.....Avoid Pats RB's at all costs.

I don't know Ridley isn't that much better than Charles Scott. If this pick was Delone Carter or Bilal Powell, yeah Id worry. Ridley was a misfire imo

 

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Jags jump the Titans!

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

NE takes Mallett to

1) trade Hoyer to a QB needy team for way too much a la Whitehurst

2) develop Mallett and trade him for a king's ransom a la Schaub

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

I love how Gruden can barely contain himself around Kiper. He just gave a punch to McShay while giggling as Kiper talked.

Just love that friction. Gruden's fantastic for that.

 

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The Vereen train continues to sputter.....Avoid Pats RB's at all costs.

I don't know Ridley isn't that much better than Charles Scott. If this pick was Delone Carter or Bilal Powell, yeah Id worry. Ridley was a misfire imo

Really strange pick, I agree. I guess they think Ridley can do what BJGE did, Vereen can be more effective as a 3rd down back and Woodhead can continue to be a gadget player.If Ridley stinks up the joint and they don't re-sign BJGE, Vereen could definitely walk into a good situation. Hard to put my finger on what is happening.

 

[Kenny Powers]

I think Mallet is the best QB of this class...Ras-I Dowling was the CB I hoped the Steelers would get.....Cant stand that the Patsies got both these guys

 

[Bracie Smathers]

NE takes Mallett to1) trade Hoyer to a QB needy team for way too much a la Whitehurst2) develop Mallett and trade him for a king's ransom a la Schaub

Ya know, I'm not bowing down to kiss Belichick's ring.I think his draft sucks dog-stuff thru a straw.Its horrible.The king wears no cloths.

 

[rzrback77]

Gruden is the only one I enjoy. I would probably like Mel better without Boomer, who really really needs to go

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

#Packers WR coach Edgar Bennett said Cobb has ability to carry ball in Wildcat and out of the backfield.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

NE takes Mallett to1) trade Hoyer to a QB needy team for way too much a la Whitehurst2) develop Mallett and trade him for a king's ransom a la Schaub

YEEEP! x2Value pick for a team with some great depth.Now if they can trade some RBs....

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

If Rams don't take a Hankerson or other WR here, you have to think that they are feeling good about Avery and/or Alexander and have a tentative deal in place to bring Clayton back

 

[Andrew Garda]

NFLN set up

 

[smackdaddies]

#Packers WR coach Edgar Bennett said Cobb has ability to carry ball in Wildcat and out of the backfield.

He had some nice runs - but some came after a lot of dancing, and he is no barry sanders

 

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Titans need Dline help for sure. Solid pick. Titans are addressing needs in this draft though, not drafting BPA. Never a good thing in my opinion.

 

[Matt Waldman]

#Packers WR coach Edgar Bennett said Cobb has ability to carry ball in Wildcat and out of the backfield.

Also talked about his intelligence, maturity, and instant fit with team. Wouldn't be surprised if Nelson is odd man out despite heroics.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Will Rackley on some of that game film looked like he was against high schoolers. Not even fair.

 

[smackdaddies]

#Packers WR coach Edgar Bennett said Cobb has ability to carry ball in Wildcat and out of the backfield.

Packers say he has good hands. So that makes him the antidote to Jones

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Rams get Austin Pettis, a possession #2 type wideout in a best case scenario. People will overdraft based on Bradford and their lack of a proven #1. There are probably at least 5-10 WRs not drafted yet I will take over Pettis.

 

[smackdaddies]

#Packers WR coach Edgar Bennett said Cobb has ability to carry ball in Wildcat and out of the backfield.

Also talked about his intelligence, maturity, and instant fit with team. Wouldn't be surprised if Nelson is odd man out despite heroics.

Cobb is slow. Nelson will stick. At best (for Cobb) for the first two years would be the same number of catches as Nelson

 

[Andrew Garda]

Randall Cobb on ESPN Radio

 

[SayWhat?]

#Packers WR coach Edgar Bennett said Cobb has ability to carry ball in Wildcat and out of the backfield.

Packers say he has good hands. So that makes him the antidote to Jones

In a ppr league, there weren't many better fits for Pettis than St. Louis.

 

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Hankerson to the Skins. Nice fit. They need receivers in a bad way.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Hankerson to the Redskins. Armstrong value goes down, and Santana Moss could be moving on?

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Leonard Hankerson WR Miami

Hugest hands since Hakeem Hicks, it will be interesting to see how he does.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Washington does have good opportunity, so I won't be surprised to see him get into the first round of a lot of rookie drafts, but I see him as a #2 who will only flourish with a strong #1, and he is inconsistent - think Massaquoi

 

[Matt Waldman]

#Packers WR coach Edgar Bennett said Cobb has ability to carry ball in Wildcat and out of the backfield.

Also talked about his intelligence, maturity, and instant fit with team. Wouldn't be surprised if Nelson is odd man out despite heroics.

Cobb is slow. Nelson will stick. At best (for Cobb) for the first two years would be the same number of catches as Nelson

Not talking immediate. Talking down the line. Cobb isn't slow unless you think average speed for a WR is 4.3 - then yes, I agree he's slow.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

#Packers WR coach Edgar Bennett said Cobb has ability to carry ball in Wildcat and out of the backfield.

Packers say he has good hands. So that makes him the antidote to Jones

In a ppr league, there weren't many better fits for Pettis than St. Louis.

agreed, but Ill let someone else buy that ticket. Not sure he will get separation consistently or do much after the catch. Not a recipe for fantasy stardom.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Washington does have good opportunity, so I won't be surprised to see him get into the first round of a lot of rookie drafts, but I see him as a #2 who will only flourish with a strong #1, and he is inconsistent - think Massaquoi

Good opportunity for him from a depth chart standpoint, but they still need a QB answer.I'd like it better if Santana was sticking around for sure.

 

[Time Kibitzer]

NE takes Mallett to1) trade Hoyer to a QB needy team for way too much a la Whitehurst2) develop Mallett and trade him for a king's ransom a la Schaub

I could see #2 happening, but not #1. Whitehurst was a 3rd round pick who was traded for a 3rd round pick. Brian Hoyer was signed as an undrafted free agent who hasn't done anything to suggest he's worth trading a mid-pick for. If anything, he'll be traded for a late 5-7th rounder, but personally I doubt anyone would even give them a pick at all for him.

 

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Patriots just stole Oakland's 2nd rounder in 2012.

 

[SHIZNITTTT]

So next year the Patriots will have so many draft picks they are the only team drafting on day one and day two.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Freakin Pats:

@AdamSchefter: OAK traded its 2012 2nd-rd pick to NE for Pats 3rd and 4th this year. New England now has double 1s and 2s in 2012. Again.

 

[Matt Waldman]

The Pettis pick is a head-scratcher. Hands are first-round quality. Speed, routes, and play away from the ball needs a lot of work. Really think this was a poor pick with other receivers available. Pettis will have to become an insanely better route guy to become a solid starter.

Disappointed with this pick.

 

[Andrew Garda]

#Packers WR coach Edgar Bennett said Cobb has ability to carry ball in Wildcat and out of the backfield.

Also talked about his intelligence, maturity, and instant fit with team. Wouldn't be surprised if Nelson is odd man out despite heroics.

Cobb is slow. Nelson will stick. At best (for Cobb) for the first two years would be the same number of catches as Nelson

Cobbs going to be the new Donald Driver. Book it.

 

[Matt Waldman]

Freakin PatsAdamSchefter: OAK traded its 2012 2nd-rd pick to NE for Pats 3rd and 4th this year. New England now has double 1s and 2s in 2012. Again.

Aren't there laws about abuse of the elderly?

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

NE takes Mallett to1) trade Hoyer to a QB needy team for way too much a la Whitehurst2) develop Mallett and trade him for a king's ransom a la Schaub

I could see #2 happening, but not #1. Whitehurst was a 3rd round pick who was traded for a 3rd round pick. Brian Hoyer was signed as an undrafted free agent who hasn't done anything to suggest he's worth trading a mid-pick for. If anything, he'll be traded for a late 5-7th rounder, but personally I doubt anyone would even give them a pick at all for him.

Hoyer has developed very well, looked the part in limited action and was far enough along as a rookie that the Pats let him be the only backup to Brady on the roster the year after he tore his ACL. He is well regarded around the league is one of the most likely current backups to get a chance to start somewhere eventually.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Freakin PatsAdamSchefter: OAK traded its 2012 2nd-rd pick to NE for Pats 3rd and 4th this year. New England now has double 1s and 2s in 2012. Again.

Aren't there laws about abuse of the elderly?

 

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The Pettis pick is a head-scratcher. Hands are first-round quality. Speed, routes, and play away from the ball needs a lot of work. Really think this was a poor pick with other receivers available. Pettis will have to become an insanely better route guy to become a solid starter.Disappointed with this pick.

Only thing I can figure is that he could be a big redzone target. But still, I'm less than impressed with the Rams draft this year.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Not a fan of Titus at all, but I see what the Lions are thinking here. Bring him in slowly as a stretch the field slot guy and then transition from Burleson to him in time if he develops some physical edge and consistency.

Why are you down on Titus? I may not have seen as much of him as you (very probable) but I thought he was pretty athletic and had good hands. Nice opportunity here to become a very viable NFL WR2.

Inconsistent hands/ball skills and gets pushed around way too easy by physical corners

OK - can he be a slot / WR3 then? Detroit certainly lacks there as well. Moving to the slot could help with the press coverage, although I'm sure teams will scout him and jam him if he isn't in motion.If that's his game, then that does limit his viability and makes him a reach here in Round 2.

Heard on local radio today, Ochocinco has been catching balls with Calvin Johnson and Matt Stafford this week.

I'd like that. Would think that titus makes a much better wr3/slot guy then a wr2.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

The Pettis pick is a head-scratcher. Hands are first-round quality. Speed, routes, and play away from the ball needs a lot of work. Really think this was a poor pick with other receivers available. Pettis will have to become an insanely better route guy to become a solid starter.Disappointed with this pick.

 

[smackdaddies]

#Packers WR coach Edgar Bennett said Cobb has ability to carry ball in Wildcat and out of the backfield.

Also talked about his intelligence, maturity, and instant fit with team. Wouldn't be surprised if Nelson is odd man out despite heroics.

Cobb is slow. Nelson will stick. At best (for Cobb) for the first two years would be the same number of catches as Nelson

Not talking immediate. Talking down the line. Cobb isn't slow unless you think average speed for a WR is 4.3 - then yes, I agree he's slow.

He is short, and slow (compared to Nelson/Jennings) Nelson is 6'3" and ran the 100 in college at 10.8. (edit 10.6) (edit - Cobb is 5'10" - he will be the return guy and #3 WR when driver goes - Pack really needed a return guy)

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Patriots just stole Oakland's 2nd rounder in 2012.

Please.Belichick has officially jumped the shark.What TALENT has he actually gotten in this draft?He basically traded it all away for future picks.Is wussing out of drafting for future picks going to make a team better?I'm astonded at how everyone is falling over Bill when he did NOTHING in this draft.Absolutely NOTHING.

 

[netnalp]

Giants could go Oline, LB, FB, TE or Kick returner so they don't risk Prince on returns.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

had to switch to th NFL Network. Boomer is unwatchable. Both Kiper and Gruden look at him like your crazy uncle at xmas,, they silently and politely look his way, and then ignore whatever he just said. when he's done blathering they just start talking about something new.