Draft Day, racist movie? Plus other thoughts (1 Viewer)

[Limp Ditka]

Guys you aren't going to bully me no matter how hard you try with mocking

Well, yeah. We all know you have thick skin since you've somehow managed to survive all the horrific trials and tribulations that go along with being a white American.

there use to be racism against black people

Thank god that's gone.

 

[johnjohn]

Guys you aren't going to bully me no matter how hard you try with mocking

Well, yeah. We all know you have thick skin since you've somehow managed to survive all the horrific trials and tribulations that go along with being a white American.

there use to be racism against black people

Thank god that's gone.

There will always be racism, but what I mean is, MAYBE racism against black people is looked down upon by the majority. While maybe racism against white people isn't looked down upon at all.

 

[El Floppo]

Exhibit A.

 

[Thunderlips]

This guy gets it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L104LViQeIw

 

[Lutherman2112]

Which brings up the question, are white people victims now?

Yep, check it out:

Whites only drinking fountain

 

[timschochet]

Guys you aren't going to bully me no matter how hard you try with mocking

Well, yeah. We all know you have thick skin since you've somehow managed to survive all the horrific trials and tribulations that go along with being a white American.

Not saying I agree with what im about to say, maybe I do or maybe i am playing devils advocate.Being a white american now isn't the same as being one say, 20 years ago.

Let me break it down in a common sense way of speaking so you understand

Before unions people were being taking advantaged of, after unions, it became fair. Soon enough unions are taking advantage with some of the crap that goes on. One extreme went to the next. I think we all agree that Unions for the most part, have too much power, and went corrupt. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-relentless-conservative/how-_b_913311.html read this if you disagree)

Now, lets relate that to racism, there use to be racism against black people, that was wrong and we tried to get rid of that, but going from one extreme (Racism against black) to another (allowing black people or anyone to be racist against white people) isn't right either. If that is indeed what is going on.

Care to give an example of white people who are discriminated against?

 

[Ilov80s]

White on white discrimination in this thread. Leave johnjohn alone. We are never going to really prosper as a race if we can't respect ourselves.

 

[johnjohn]

Guys you aren't going to bully me no matter how hard you try with mocking

Well, yeah. We all know you have thick skin since you've somehow managed to survive all the horrific trials and tribulations that go along with being a white American.

Not saying I agree with what im about to say, maybe I do or maybe i am playing devils advocate.Being a white american now isn't the same as being one say, 20 years ago.

Let me break it down in a common sense way of speaking so you understand

Before unions people were being taking advantaged of, after unions, it became fair. Soon enough unions are taking advantage with some of the crap that goes on. One extreme went to the next. I think we all agree that Unions for the most part, have too much power, and went corrupt. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-relentless-conservative/how-_b_913311.html read this if you disagree)

Now, lets relate that to racism, there use to be racism against black people, that was wrong and we tried to get rid of that, but going from one extreme (Racism against black) to another (allowing black people or anyone to be racist against white people) isn't right either. If that is indeed what is going on.

Care to give an example of white people who are discriminated against?

Well, the question is if a white person displayed the racism (if you agree it was racism) Jay Z did would he get away with it like Jay z did. If the white person gets killed for it, then thats double standard racism.

Also, one can say white people are often mocked when complaining about racism towards them (even happened in this thread) while black people get sympathy.

 

[cstu]

For example, jay z said he wanted Obama to win because he is black, that was his only reason.

For one, Obama isn't black. Second, being black wasn't the only reason. He wouldn't have voted for him if he had the politics of Romney.

Now if donald trump said he wanted so and so to win because he is white he would be murdered in the media for being racist, but jay z wasnt?

Yes. Your point?

Obama is black, if you are trying to say he isnt black then we aren't being honest here. Everyone refers to him as being the first BLACK president.

he didnt? What about this article? http://www.ijreview.com/2012/09/17618-jay-z-wants-less-government-but-supports-obama-because-hes-black/

My point is double standards is a form of racism if it indeed a double standard

I couldn't care less what people refer to him as.

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

For example, jay z said he wanted Obama to win because he is black, that was his only reason.

For one, Obama isn't black. Second, being black wasn't the only reason. He wouldn't have voted for him if he had the politics of Romney.

Now if donald trump said he wanted so and so to win because he is white he would be murdered in the media for being racist, but jay z wasnt?

Yes. Your point?

Obama is black, if you are trying to say he isnt black then we aren't being honest here. Everyone refers to him as being the first BLACK president.he didnt? What about this article? http://www.ijreview.com/2012/09/17618-jay-z-wants-less-government-but-supports-obama-because-hes-black/

My point is double standards is a form of racism if it indeed a double standard

I couldn't care less what people refer to him as.

Then why did you take issue with him saying Obama is black?

 

[timschochet]

Guys you aren't going to bully me no matter how hard you try with mocking

Well, yeah. We all know you have thick skin since you've somehow managed to survive all the horrific trials and tribulations that go along with being a white American.

Not saying I agree with what im about to say, maybe I do or maybe i am playing devils advocate.Being a white american now isn't the same as being one say, 20 years ago.

Let me break it down in a common sense way of speaking so you understand

Before unions people were being taking advantaged of, after unions, it became fair. Soon enough unions are taking advantage with some of the crap that goes on. One extreme went to the next. I think we all agree that Unions for the most part, have too much power, and went corrupt. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-relentless-conservative/how-_b_913311.html read this if you disagree)

Now, lets relate that to racism, there use to be racism against black people, that was wrong and we tried to get rid of that, but going from one extreme (Racism against black) to another (allowing black people or anyone to be racist against white people) isn't right either. If that is indeed what is going on.

Care to give an example of white people who are discriminated against?

Well, the question is if a white person displayed the racism (if you agree it was racism) Jay Z did would he get away with it like Jay z did. If the white person gets killed for it, then thats double standard racism.Also, one can say white people are often mocked when complaining about racism towards them (even happened in this thread) while black people get sympathy.

Do you think that, in Americsm society, white people face disadvantages?

 

[timschochet]

With regard to Jay Z, suppose a Latino little girl feels bad that there are no Disney Princesses that are Latino? Suppose she would like to identify with a Latino princess, and the fact that there isn't one makes her feel inferior to her white girlfriends? Is this little girl a racist, or she simply looking for a little bit of ethnic pride?

 

[TheAristocrat]

onesies

 

[timschochet]

onesies

IPhone. You screw up one letter and it gives you a word you never intended.

 

[bigbottom]

For example, jay z said he wanted Obama to win because he is black, that was his only reason.

For one, Obama isn't black. Second, being black wasn't the only reason. He wouldn't have voted for him if he had the politics of Romney.

Now if donald trump said he wanted so and so to win because he is white he would be murdered in the media for being racist, but jay z wasnt?

Yes. Your point?

Obama is black, if you are trying to say he isnt black then we aren't being honest here. Everyone refers to him as being the first BLACK president.he didnt? What about this article? http://www.ijreview.com/2012/09/17618-jay-z-wants-less-government-but-supports-obama-because-hes-black/

This link does not support your stated premise.

I dont even like the word politics, Jay-Z told MTV News. It implies something underhanded and I think we need less government.Despite his support for the President, Jay-Zs less government viewpoint is more in line with Obamas opponents on the right, such as Republican candidate Mitt Romney, who also calls for smaller government. But his stance on smaller government aside, Jay-Z is all in for the presidents re-election.

I support Barack because I gotta respect that sort of vision. I gotta respect a man who is the first black President ever, he said. To have that sort of vision and dream, I have to support that.

also, more racism from jay z that doesnt really get a lot of negative press

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2014/04/06/jay-z-racist-bling

Again, doesn't support your premise.

so, jay z wanted less government and voted for more because why?also jay z "Jay-Z Sports Bling from 'Whites Are Devils' Group While Courtside with Beyonce"

Hard to argue against Jay Z not being racist.

Your premise was that the only reason Jay-Z voted for Obama was because he is black. Your link does not support that conclusion. As for whether Jay-Z is a racist, I don't know and don't care.

If jay z is saying he doesnt like big government but votes for it anyways then saying jay z voted for obama just because he is black isn't a crazy stretch, and it isnt a crazy stretch claim to that as racist.

There are a lot of ways in which I want less government. That doesn't make me a Republican or mean my views are aligned with Romney's. In any event, here was your assertion:

For example, jay z said he wanted Obama to win because he is black, that was his only reason.

Your link doesn't support your assertion that Jay Z said that he wanted Obama to win because he is black and that was his only reason. Do you have another link?

 

[Limp Ditka]

Guys you aren't going to bully me no matter how hard you try with mocking

Well, yeah. We all know you have thick skin since you've somehow managed to survive all the horrific trials and tribulations that go along with being a white American.

there use to be racism against black people

Thank god that's gone.

There will always be racism, but what I mean is, MAYBE racism against black people is looked down upon by the majority. While maybe racism against white people isn't looked down upon at all.

Maybe you're oblivious to what's going on in the world.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Guys you aren't going to bully me no matter how hard you try with mocking

Well, yeah. We all know you have thick skin since you've somehow managed to survive all the horrific trials and tribulations that go along with being a white American.

there use to be racism against black people

Thank god that's gone.

There will always be racism, but what I mean is, MAYBE racism against black people is looked down upon by the majority. While maybe racism against white people isn't looked down upon at all.

Maybe you're oblivious to what's going on in the world.

Who am I kidding?

 

[Nugget]

So because a fictional draft prospect displays a potential character flaw, that equals racism? Quite the stretch.

Amazed you have caught anyone with this stinky bait.

:lock:

 

[bigbottom]

Now, lets relate that to racism, there use to be racism against black people, that was wrong and we tried to get rid of that, but going from one extreme (Racism against black) to another (allowing black people or anyone to be racist against white people) isn't right either. If that is indeed what is going on.

Are you suggesting that we've gone from the extreme of our country's history of racism against black people (slavery, lynchings, segregation) to the other extreme where white people like Donald Trump would be subjected to the horrors of public criticism if they said they wanted the white candidate to win?

 

[ghostguy123]

So because a fictional draft prospect displays a potential character flaw, that equals racism? Quite the stretch.

Amazed you have caught anyone with this stinky bait.

:lock:

Every movie EVER is racist.

Everybody in here is innocent....................don't you know that? (quote anyone?)

 

[fantasycurse42]

In Spanish; no

 

[ghostguy123]

best thread ever.

gotta get this one up to 900 pages

 

[nightmare]

JohnJohn, back to your original post. Did you think any part or scene in Draft Day showed racism?

Any premise in the movie was leaning racism? I saw draft day and no where in the entire film was

race mentioned-black or white or was there anything implied by the NFL GM's about the draftees

social or economic status. All the GM's focused on were the guys strength and weaknesses on the

field and off.

I know this is a fishing trip, just curious if I'm going to get a real answer.

 

[Dr Oadi]

Didnt they do a movie like this about baseball a few years back? That was actually somewhat truthful unlike this made up nfl film. ( Basing that assumption on seeing a browns uniform in a trailer of the film.)

 

[avoiding injuries]

If a black QB fell out of the 1st round in the movie, there's a 75% chance you're onto something here.

 

[ghostguy123]

If a black QB fell out of the 1st round in the movie, there's a 75% chance you're onto something here.

snap.................snap

 

[fatness]

Guys you aren't going to bully me no matter how hard you try with mocking

Hi Em.

 

[Nugget]

Guys you aren't going to bully me no matter how hard you try with mocking

Hi Em.

my first thought as well.

 

[johnjohn]

Guys you aren't going to bully me no matter how hard you try with mocking

Well, yeah. We all know you have thick skin since you've somehow managed to survive all the horrific trials and tribulations that go along with being a white American.

Not saying I agree with what im about to say, maybe I do or maybe i am playing devils advocate.Being a white american now isn't the same as being one say, 20 years ago.

Let me break it down in a common sense way of speaking so you understand

Before unions people were being taking advantaged of, after unions, it became fair. Soon enough unions are taking advantage with some of the crap that goes on. One extreme went to the next. I think we all agree that Unions for the most part, have too much power, and went corrupt. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-relentless-conservative/how-_b_913311.html read this if you disagree)

Now, lets relate that to racism, there use to be racism against black people, that was wrong and we tried to get rid of that, but going from one extreme (Racism against black) to another (allowing black people or anyone to be racist against white people) isn't right either. If that is indeed what is going on.

Care to give an example of white people who are discriminated against?

Well, the question is if a white person displayed the racism (if you agree it was racism) Jay Z did would he get away with it like Jay z did. If the white person gets killed for it, then thats double standard racism.Also, one can say white people are often mocked when complaining about racism towards them (even happened in this thread) while black people get sympathy.

Do you think that, in Americsm society, white people face disadvantages?

Yes

With regard to Jay Z, suppose a Latino little girl feels bad that there are no Disney Princesses that are Latino? Suppose she would like to identify with a Latino princess, and the fact that there isn't one makes her feel inferior to her white girlfriends? Is this little girl a racist, or she simply looking for a little bit of ethnic pride?

If that little girl grew up, and was like "I love comedies and hate action movies, but I am going to see this action movie instead because there are no white people in it" then yes, she would be racist at that point.

 

[johnjohn]

Now, lets relate that to racism, there use to be racism against black people, that was wrong and we tried to get rid of that, but going from one extreme (Racism against black) to another (allowing black people or anyone to be racist against white people) isn't right either. If that is indeed what is going on.

Are you suggesting that we've gone from the extreme of our country's history of racism against black people (slavery, lynchings, segregation) to the other extreme where white people like Donald Trump would be subjected to the horrors of public criticism if they said they wanted the white candidate to win?

I am suggesting we are MAYBE going from one extreme and are building up towards another extreme (not there yet)

JohnJohn, back to your original post. Did you think any part or scene in Draft Day showed racism?

Any premise in the movie was leaning racism? I saw draft day and no where in the entire film was

race mentioned-black or white or was there anything implied by the NFL GM's about the draftees

social or economic status. All the GM's focused on were the guys strength and weaknesses on the

field and off.

I know this is a fishing trip, just curious if I'm going to get a real answer.

Nightmare, I am not declaring the movie as racist, I am simply asking questions.

If it was racist, it was done in a subtle way. From the movie there were uh, 4 main recruits if I recall correctly, 3 were black 1 was white. The three black guys came across as great people while the one white guy came across as a huge ##### and some might consider that to be subtle racism.

How many old movies are considered racist that has the one black guy in it that is ignorant or whatever negative ? There are a lot.

Some might consider this movie a subtle way of doing that

 

[fatness]

If it was racist, it was done in a subtle way. From the movie there were uh, 4 main recruits if I recall correctly, 3 were black 1 was white. The three black guys came across as great people while the one white guy came across as a huge ##### and some might consider that to be subtle racism.

Who?

You saw the movie and enjoyed it.

 

[3C's]

This may be the worst thread I've ever read here.

Truly mind-numbing

It's a put on.

 

[Clifford]

Picture this, the movie is about a bunch of white guys with great character and the one guy that should be the best player (who is black) is a poor character guy that is really just a crappy person, would that movie be racist towards black people?

Nope

In actuality though, the movie is set up the exact opposite way, and I bet most people don't consider it racist.

Nope

Which brings up the question, are white people victims now? Is it okay to be racist towards a white person, but not a black person ?

Nope and nope.

For example, jay z said he wanted Obama to win because he is black, that was his only reason. Now if donald trump said he wanted so and so to win because he is white he would be murdered in the media for being racist, but jay z wasnt?

Every single US president up until Obama has been white. I know the media has kept this quiet but it's true. So for Jay Z to say he just wants to see a black President is a bit shortsighted politically, it's not racist, because he is not saying he never wants to see a white President or that white people are not fit to be President. He's no more racist than women rooting for Hillary to become the first female president is sexist. Donald Trump saying he wants Romney to beat Obama because Romney is white and Obama is black is a little different, because, every single president up until Obama has been white. So that's a lot more like saying I don't want a black President than it is like Jay Z saying he wants a black president. See, because Jay-Z's race and cultural heritage has NEVER been represented by the nation's highest office, while Trump's race and cultural heritage ALWAYS has been.

Why is that? I am not stating anything as a fact but just want to open up discussion on this subject.

 

[Clifford]

For example, jay z said he wanted Obama to win because he is black, that was his only reason.

For one, Obama isn't black. Second, being black wasn't the only reason. He wouldn't have voted for him if he had the politics of Romney.

Now if donald trump said he wanted so and so to win because he is white he would be murdered in the media for being racist, but jay z wasnt?

Yes. Your point?

Obama is black, if you are trying to say he isnt black then we aren't being honest here. Everyone refers to him as being the first BLACK president.he didnt? What about this article? http://www.ijreview.com/2012/09/17618-jay-z-wants-less-government-but-supports-obama-because-hes-black/

This link does not support your stated premise.

I dont even like the word politics, Jay-Z told MTV News. It implies something underhanded and I think we need less government.Despite his support for the President, Jay-Zs less government viewpoint is more in line with Obamas opponents on the right, such as Republican candidate Mitt Romney, who also calls for smaller government. But his stance on smaller government aside, Jay-Z is all in for the presidents re-election.

I support Barack because I gotta respect that sort of vision. I gotta respect a man who is the first black President ever, he said. To have that sort of vision and dream, I have to support that.

also, more racism from jay z that doesnt really get a lot of negative press

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2014/04/06/jay-z-racist-bling

Again, doesn't support your premise.

so, jay z wanted less government and voted for more because why?

also jay z "Jay-Z Sports Bling from 'Whites Are Devils' Group While Courtside with Beyonce"

Hard to argue against Jay Z not being racist.

Whites are devils

http://cdn.nhl.com/devils/bc/images/njd/history/teamphotos/1280/94-95.jpg

 

[Chaka]

NEIN!

 

[Clifford]

Guys you aren't going to bully me no matter how hard you try with mocking

Well, yeah. We all know you have thick skin since you've somehow managed to survive all the horrific trials and tribulations that go along with being a white American.

Not saying I agree with what im about to say, maybe I do or maybe i am playing devils advocate.Being a white american now isn't the same as being one say, 20 years ago.

Let me break it down in a common sense way of speaking so you understand

Before unions people were being taking advantaged of, after unions, it became fair. Soon enough unions are taking advantage with some of the crap that goes on. One extreme went to the next. I think we all agree that Unions for the most part, have too much power, and went corrupt. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-relentless-conservative/how-_b_913311.html read this if you disagree)

Now, lets relate that to racism, there use to be racism against black people, that was wrong and we tried to get rid of that, but going from one extreme (Racism against black) to another (allowing black people or anyone to be racist against white people) isn't right either. If that is indeed what is going on.

Care to give an example of white people who are discriminated against?

Romney, duh. Try to pay attention.

 

[Clifford]

With regard to Jay Z, suppose a Latino little girl feels bad that there are no Disney Princesses that are Latino? Suppose she would like to identify with a Latino princess, and the fact that there isn't one makes her feel inferior to her white girlfriends? Is this little girl a racist, or she simply looking for a little bit of ethnic pride?

Holy #### have you told Disney about this? I mean holy #### I think you have hit on the one ethnicity not represented by a Disney princess.

Native American

Asian

Middle-Eastern

British

French

Norwegian

White

Fox

Cocker Spaniel

Hawaiian

Irish

Lion

Black

They got some splainin to do.

proof

http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140314021237/disney/images/2/25/Lineup-with-Anna-and-Elsa-disney-princess-35598431-3097-1371.jpg

 

[NCCommish]

I dream of a day when the Congress is majority white male. When the Senate is majority white male. When the majority of Presidents have been white males. When the top 200 CEOs are majority white male. I know it's out there but I think we could get there if only people would stop trying to keep us down.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

just think...the powers that be locked MOP`s retirement thread over this drivel

 

[johnjohn]

I dream of a day when the Congress is majority white male. When the Senate is majority white male. When the majority of Presidents have been white males. When the top 200 CEOs are majority white male. I know it's out there but I think we could get there if only people would stop trying to keep us down.

I dream of a day when the color of Congress doesn't matter. When the Senate is voted in, not based on the color of their skin, but by the qualifications they have.

 

[fantasycurse42]

I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the colour of their skin, but by the content of their character.

 

[NCCommish]

I dream of a day when the Congress is majority white male. When the Senate is majority white male. When the majority of Presidents have been white males. When the top 200 CEOs are majority white male. I know it's out there but I think we could get there if only people would stop trying to keep us down.

I dream of a day when the color of Congress doesn't matter. When the Senate is voted in, not based on the color of their skin, but by the qualifications they have.

I am sure you do. That's why there is all this white victimhood pouring out of you.

 

[bigbottom]

First it's a Kevin Costner vehicle, and next thing yo know Congress is all black and white people are enslaved.

 

[johnjohn]

I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the colour of their skin, but by the content of their character.

great quote, thanks for bringing it into this thread.

 

[McGarnicle]

Plus other thoughts

 

[matuski]

The Masters lost a third of its audience when Tiger didn't show up.

Is this racist?

 

[johnjohn]

The Masters lost a third of its audience when Tiger didn't show up.

Is this racist?

racist in what way ?

 

[Clifford]

In the same way that Jay Z saying something he never said is racist.

 

[matuski]

The Masters lost a third of its audience when Tiger didn't show up.

Is this racist?

racist in what way ?

Because, you know.

 

[johnjohn]

guys, you can't bully me, especially on the internet. Maybe in person you could bully me if you knew karate or used steroids, but thats about it.