Drew Bledsoe - HOFer (1 Viewer)

[stevegamer]

Once again people, there are opinions, and there are facts.Facts, Bledsoe stacks up against other HOF QBs in many statistical categories (TDs, YDs, ATTs, etc).

Fact: Stats are not all that matter. Fact: Most of those HoF QB's who Bledsoe supposedly stacks up against statistically have good to great postseason numbers/histories to their credit to help solidify their HoF worthiness. Bledsoe does not.

Three Super Bowl appearances and one Super Bowl win is not enough??

His win came riding the pine, so the appearance when he actually played means more. And I don't think SB are the only criteria that matter. It's the old Peak versus Longevity issue. I don't think much of his peak - it was pretty good, but not of the charts good. He's had a lot of years where he's basically an average or so QB. that builds career value but his subpar years don't help.1996 & 1997 he was very good. 2002 & 2005 he was good. 1994 he was above average, but got there by throwing the ball a ton - almost 700 attempts. 1998 & 2004 he was average. In 1999, and 2003 he was below average, and in 1993 & 1995 he was bad. 2001 he was hurt.By my rough count:2 very good, 2 good, 1 above average, 2 average, 2 below average, 2 bad, 1 hurt.

 

[cstu]

Testeverde had his best season in 1998 with the Jets when he was 35 - a year older than Bledsoe is now. That was after his last season with Baltimore and a lot of people thought he should retire. If Testeverde could do that at 35 then I don't see why Bledsoe can't since he still throws the ball as well as anyone when he's on.

That's a fair point, but I would submit that Testaverde was a mediocre QB who held on a long time. He basically had 1 or 2 good years. He's the posterchild for QB counting stats not mattering a ton.I'd really compare Bledsoe to Krieg - both very solid QB's. You could win with them, and get to the playoffs regularly, and the Super Bowl with the right talent. They had long, productive careers. They aren't elite enough to be in the HoF. they are both far better than Testaverde, who threw too many picks.

I agree with you on Testeverde and I'll even admit that Bledsoe makes too many mistakes in clutch situations to be a HOF QB. Krieg and Esiason are comparable guys who were good, but not great and didn't win a title. As much as I'd like him to get it, right now he doesn't belong and even the stats won't be good enough. A SB win would cement him as a HOF'er, but I think proving himself in the playoffs as a clutch QB could be enough even if he doesn't get the win. He needs to take a team to the SB and look good doing it. The Cowboys season is far from over and they have a stretch of games coming up that they have a good shot at winning - Texans, Giants, @Panthers, @Redskins, and @Cardinals. If Bledsoe goes 4-1 beating the Giants and Redskins then they are still in the hunt for the division title and home field in the playoffs.

 

[pats3in4]

Three Super Bowl appearances and one Super Bowl win is not enough??

When Bledsoe enters the HOF discussion amongst the voters, someone's going to dissect his postseason performances thusly:1994: Lost to Bill Belichick's Browns 20-13 in wildcard round, throwing 3 picks in the process. Bledsoe looking o\/\/ned by Belichick would be a recurring theme throughout his career.1996: Beat Pitt 28-3 in divisional round. Started game outstanding, setting up first TD on long bomb to Glenn on first play and throwing a screen for a long TD on next drive. Then started playing like poop, throwing two awful picks. Fortunately, a 78yd Martin TD run forced Pitt to throw the rest of the game and an o-fer-ten relief job by Kordell Stewart wasn't going to cut it.1996: Beat Jax 20-6 in AFCCG. Bledsoe had an awful game, fumbling twice with the good fortune of his linemen recovering them. He made only one play of note: a bomb to Jefferson before the half to set up a FG. The 2 TDs were compliments of a blocked punt setting up a 7yd TD drive handled by Martin and a fumble returned for a TD to ice the game.1996: Lost SB31 to Green Bay. Threw a pick early that lead to a FG and a 10-0 deficit, then played well for the rest of the 1st quarter while Green Bay was holding back and keying on play-fakes to Martin. Packer SS Leroy Butler was quoted after getting into a 14-10 hole, "Why are we holding back? Let's go after him." and Drew looked bad the rest of the game, throwing 3 more picks.1997: Beat Dolphins 17-3 in wildcard round. Drew again looked poor, but the D carried the day, highlighted by a beautiful read of a slant pattern by LB Todd Collins who picked Marino and returned it for a TD.1997: Lost to Pitt 7-6 in divisional round. Missing many weapons, Drew expectedly struggled for the most part. However, the heroic Pats D made a 4th-down goalline stop late, setting up a potential game-winning drive in which Drew was inexcusably stripped of the ball by Mike Vrabel, capping the game for Pittsburgh.2001: Beat Pitt 24-17 in AFCCG. Coming in for an injured Brady, Drew initially looked awesome, going 3-for-3 and a TD for a 14-3 lead. Pittsburgh later lamented that they didn't blitz on that drive. Pittsburgh turned up the heat for the rest of the game and Drew went 7-18 the rest of the way. His total yardage on the day was 101. He made some key throws on the lone scoring/FG drive in the 2nd half for the 24-17 lead, but otherwise was ineffective, once throwing the ball over his shoulder up for grabs as he was being twisted to the ground. He later (predictably) threw a ball into the left flat with no Patriot in sight...right into Joey Porter's hands who had nothing but green grass in front of him for a 24-24 tie, but Porter unbelievably dropped the ball. Thankfully, Kordell Stewart had two huge overthrows for INTs late that sent the Pats onto New Orleans.2001 AFCCG postscript: Leading up to SB36, Belichick had a choice - play the gimpy Brady or give a healthy Drew the start. Remember earlier that year that Brady first took the job when Drew got hurt and Drew didn't get the job back when he healed. Now that Brady hurt, would Belichick give the reigns back to Drew? We all know the answer to that one.

 

[mbuehner]

Bledsoe is the textbook compiler. His advocates lean on his stats, purely, but he's led the league in passing exactly once. He's never been higher than 3rd in TDs, and never higher than 8th in yards per pass. In other words his efficiency has always been mediocre.

Here's the key stat- Bledsoe's career yards per attempt is 6.6 - all the top modern guys are over 7.

Its probably no coincidence he doesnt have the hardware to pad his resume. The guy has consistantly shown that he can throw the ball 600 times in a season, but not much will come of it.

 

[rabidfireweasel]

You, the Rams website, was the internet blowhard I was talking about.

And if that blitz was the only one like it that game that Warner saw, that makes his TD throw even more impressive, wouldn't you say?

Wow calling me a "genius" and a "blowhard" both, that shows really good discussion skills. And bringing in another already discussed topic is equally as impressive. I'll go ahead and stick why Warner absolutely sucks and has always sucked versus heavy defensive pressure. How about I bring out another fact (makes 3 now) about Warner not handling the pressure in closing. This makes three different links you have been provided showing Warner's ineffectiveness handling the pressure "back in the day"

http://archive.profootballweekly.com/conte...w_playoffsb.asp

When the Rams have the ball:

St. Louis offensive coordinator Mike Martz is an aggressive play caller who will go for the throat whenever he gets the chance. Throughout the season, the Rams have been able to go for the kill whenever they get a big lead.

But Martz’s aggressiveness will be matched by Titans head coach Jeff Fisher and defensive coordinator Gregg Williams. Fisher, a Buddy Ryan devotee who was a member of the Bears during their Super Bowl-winning season, uses a "46" style of defense that will attack at any time from any angle. Last week in the AFC championship game against Jacksonville, the Titans brought the house on several key third-down and red-zone plays. If the Rams can’t handle Tennessee’s blitz, they won’t be able to throw deep. The Titans were able to get to Warner in the first meeting, recording six sacks and batting down several passes. Warner also fumbled four times.

Warner = 4 Fumbles, 6 Sacks and several batted down balls under pressure versus the Titans in the Rams-Titans Super Bowl year against the Titans blitz packages. Here again Warner shows himself "great" against the blitz "back in the day".

One quote from from 2002. That was not back in the day. Here, as you often do, you only reveal a portion of the evidence to support your side of the story. You often do this; you either present evidence that is not factual, or you give partial evidence. In that four fumble game, Warner was also 29-46 for 300+ yards, three td's and no interceptions. He wasn't terrible. He didn't suck. He did make mistakes and his team lost.Then he played that same defense again. He threw for 414 yards, had 2td's and no interceptions. His team won the the superbowl. Was he sucky that day?

 

[Tau837]

Can you guys take your Kurt Warner bickering to another thread?

 

[SSOG]

Bledsoe = Pac10Next Question.

What, you mean he's soft, overrated, and really only one person thinks he's any good?

 

[Gargoylez]

Could he go? Yes.

SHOULD he go? No.

Decent to Good QB through out his career, considering he was only injured for a short time in his career... As much as he excelled in big games, I have seen him FAIL miserably in big games...

No one is going to tell me this guy is Hall Of Fame Worthy... but I am not going to say he wont make it. He has bloated stats.He had the best seat in the house for the Super Bowl really... and a FREE GIFT for the first 10 people on the bench... a SB ring.

 

[wilked]

and a FREE GIFT for the first 10 people on the bench... a SB ring.

Jealous much?I bet you are on of those guys who think kickers don't deserve a ring because they only see the field 4-5 times a game Kudos to the OP for taking a controversial stand and opening up people's eyes to Bledsoe. I think maybe sometimes people take a guy for granted when he continues to put up solid stats for so long, all while remaining healthy and being a leader

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

When it's all said and done, Bledsoe will be remembered as a QB who was a hindrance to his team when it mattered most. There is no better example of this than his getting hurt leading to an immediate SB win for the Patriots. 4 INTs in their SB appearance would be another. That '96 Patriots team was STACKED too, it's not like he was dealing with inferior talent.

Whether or not it's fair, it's what he will be remembered for and no way does he make the HOF. Rich Gannon and Trent Green belong in the HOF before he does.

 

[Gargoylez]

and a FREE GIFT for the first 10 people on the bench... a SB ring.

Jealous much?I bet you are on of those guys who think kickers don't deserve a ring because they only see the field 4-5 times a game Kudos to the OP for taking a controversial stand and opening up people's eyes to Bledsoe. I think maybe sometimes people take a guy for granted when he continues to put up solid stats for so long, all while remaining healthy and being a leader

Where did you get JEALOUS from??? He started the season... and then got injured and then was never going to get the starting position back because A. Brady outplayed him B. He wasnt playing very well to begin with.It was a FREE ring.So if I am to compare your niave comment... Rob Johnson DESERVES a superbowl ring right? Please move on with your manlove.

 

[a_rackowski]

Hall of fame QBs dont get benched 2 times in favor of other QBs. Drew is not a hall of famer. That is blasphemous. First Tom Brady, now soon to be Tony Romo? I respectfully disagree.

 

[Tau837]

We've had this debate here a few times over the years. It seems to me statistically he's a lock. The issue however is personal opinion of him, IE watching him and coming away with "he's a great QB" or "he stinks". There's plenty with the latter feeling.

He makes dunderhead mistakes that seem to hang with him in people's minds. Last week's INT will stick. It won't be that he drove them the length of the field or maybe Witten ran to the wrong spot or...it'll be all Drew's fault. Not debating whether that's right, if he throws for 400 yards the next 3 weeks people will still remember +bring up that Lito INT. Not sure if I can recall another QB unforgiven(lack of right term) as often as him.

We have put in the best QBs ever recently. Montana, marino, young, Elway(he in yet?) These guys could dominate in any era and are just so high up there. Bledsoe doesn't compare. Brady seems to be on his way to joining those awesome QBs. Bledsoe doesn't compare to his 4 Supes. No one does though...well precious few. If you stop comparing him to these legends and start comparing him to the others in the Hall he measures up IMO.

That's not a good method IMO and is one reason why the MLB HOF includes so many non-elite players. Particularly in football, with the rule changes that have occurred over the years, this is not a fair method.Each player should be judged on his own merit within his own era. Chase's point above that Bledsoe has never had any single season in which he was a top 5 QB is enough, given that he does not make up for that with any non-statistical accomplishments that could push him over the top, like excellent postseason performances, MVPs, etc. That should be the end of the story right there.

 

[Bri]

We've had this debate here a few times over the years. It seems to me statistically he's a lock. The issue however is personal opinion of him, IE watching him and coming away with "he's a great QB" or "he stinks". There's plenty with the latter feeling.

He makes dunderhead mistakes that seem to hang with him in people's minds. Last week's INT will stick. It won't be that he drove them the length of the field or maybe Witten ran to the wrong spot or...it'll be all Drew's fault. Not debating whether that's right, if he throws for 400 yards the next 3 weeks people will still remember +bring up that Lito INT. Not sure if I can recall another QB unforgiven(lack of right term) as often as him.

We have put in the best QBs ever recently. Montana, marino, young, Elway(he in yet?) These guys could dominate in any era and are just so high up there. Bledsoe doesn't compare. Brady seems to be on his way to joining those awesome QBs. Bledsoe doesn't compare to his 4 Supes. No one does though...well precious few. If you stop comparing him to these legends and start comparing him to the others in the Hall he measures up IMO.

That's not a good method IMO and is one reason why the MLB HOF includes so many non-elite players. Particularly in football, with the rule changes that have occurred over the years, this is not a fair method.Each player should be judged on his own merit within his own era. Chase's point above that Bledsoe has never had any single season in which he was a top 5 QB is enough, given that he does not make up for that with any non-statistical accomplishments that could push him over the top, like excellent postseason performances, MVPs, etc. That should be the end of the story right there.

I do agree Chase has a fair point BUT what about top 8? I say that because Young, Marino, and Elway.Re baseball analogy, what about precedent? Drew doesn't make it but others did? Fran Tarkenton, Bart Starr, Namath...I'm not sure who(I don't have a list handy just threw names out there) but there's some that weren't overwhelming statistically or were but didn't have the championships or somesuch. Fouts? I dunno, haven't slept yet overtired.

Just one example-How does Bettis compare to Barry and Emmitt? IMO Not close, giant gap in talent+impact on the game and WOW factor amongst other things. As you know Emmitt all time leading rusher and Barry very well could/would have been had he not retired early. He is considerred a lock by some folks. Why is it fair to compare him to the others and not Barry+Emmitt but with Bledsoe we judge him by Montana+Marino? Well, rambling, hope this makes sense.

 

[SSOG]

We've had this debate here a few times over the years. It seems to me statistically he's a lock. The issue however is personal opinion of him, IE watching him and coming away with "he's a great QB" or "he stinks". There's plenty with the latter feeling.

He makes dunderhead mistakes that seem to hang with him in people's minds. Last week's INT will stick. It won't be that he drove them the length of the field or maybe Witten ran to the wrong spot or...it'll be all Drew's fault. Not debating whether that's right, if he throws for 400 yards the next 3 weeks people will still remember +bring up that Lito INT. Not sure if I can recall another QB unforgiven(lack of right term) as often as him.

We have put in the best QBs ever recently. Montana, marino, young, Elway(he in yet?) These guys could dominate in any era and are just so high up there. Bledsoe doesn't compare. Brady seems to be on his way to joining those awesome QBs. Bledsoe doesn't compare to his 4 Supes. No one does though...well precious few. If you stop comparing him to these legends and start comparing him to the others in the Hall he measures up IMO.

That's not a good method IMO and is one reason why the MLB HOF includes so many non-elite players. Particularly in football, with the rule changes that have occurred over the years, this is not a fair method.Each player should be judged on his own merit within his own era. Chase's point above that Bledsoe has never had any single season in which he was a top 5 QB is enough, given that he does not make up for that with any non-statistical accomplishments that could push him over the top, like excellent postseason performances, MVPs, etc. That should be the end of the story right there.

I do agree Chase has a fair point BUT what about top 8? I say that because Young, Marino, and Elway.Re baseball analogy, what about precedent? Drew doesn't make it but others did? Fran Tarkenton, Bart Starr, Namath...I'm not sure who(I don't have a list handy just threw names out there) but there's some that weren't overwhelming statistically or were but didn't have the championships or somesuch. Fouts? I dunno, haven't slept yet overtired.

Just one example-How does Bettis compare to Barry and Emmitt? IMO Not close, giant gap in talent+impact on the game and WOW factor amongst other things. As you know Emmitt all time leading rusher and Barry very well could/would have been had he not retired early. He is considerred a lock by some folks. Why is it fair to compare him to the others and not Barry+Emmitt but with Bledsoe we judge him by Montana+Marino? Well, rambling, hope this makes sense.

Actually, I don't think that Bettis belongs in the HoF, either, for many of the same reasons Bledsoe shouldn't get in. 3.9 career yard per carry, and only 4 times in his 13 year career where he broke 4.0. Six Pro Bowls, but in my mind he only deserved 4 of them (in 1994 he had 1025 yards and 3 TDs rushing, as well as a whopping 3.2 yards per carry, and he somehow made it... and in 2004 he went despite averaging 3.8 yards per rush and failing to even crack 1,000). Outside of a few great seasons, Bettis was mostly a compiler who accumulated stats based on longevity and a ridiculous number of attempts.

 

[RedRaiders]

To say that a QB that lost his job IN HIS PRIME should be in the Hall is kinda silly.

Uh, he got hurt - remember?

 

[Joe T]

Was there ever a time was Bledsoe was considered the best or even one of the three or four best quarterback in the NFL? I think not.

He is the king of quarterbacks who compiled numbers because of a long career, but was never great or one of the best.

I think OP addressed with point when he mentioned the 5 pro bowls.

except 6 QBs make the Pro Bowl every year (at a minimum, there are often more due to injuries) and Bledsoe has only gone 4 times in 13 seasons.I also don't think he's ever been named 1st or 2nd team All Pro.

He's been 5 times dupa.

 

[Wadsworth]

Bledsoe's best season for QB rating was 1997 when he had an 87.7 rating. Just doing a quick look at the last 3 seasons Drew's best season ever would have been good enough to finish 8th, 12th, and 13th in QB rating. Now I understand that the QB rating system is not perfect but particularly with a pocket passer like Bledsoe it does give at least a general idea of how well they are playing. As I said before, Bledsoe only finished with a QB rating over 85 twice in his career. If you compare that to Brett Favre for example, who played in a similar timeframe, even Brett who is well known for tossing INTs finished with over 85 10 times in his career. Trent Green has done it 5 times since the 2000 season. Brad Johnson has done it 5 times and he actually won a Super Bowl, is he a Hall of Famer?

Bledsoe got hype from day one a first overall pick and played his "glory years" in the huge Boston sports media market. When you look at his career as a whole it's maybe one step above Kerry Collins. And not close to the Hall of Fame.

 

[Gargoylez]

To say that a QB that lost his job IN HIS PRIME should be in the Hall is kinda silly.

Uh, he got hurt - remember?

Came back healthy and sat the bench. Then was ousted for JP Losman in buffalo.Now he is on the verge of being benched in favor of ROMO.Just an FYI.

 

[Black Box]

To say that a QB that lost his job IN HIS PRIME should be in the Hall is kinda silly.

Uh, he got hurt - remember?

Came back healthy and sat the bench. Then was ousted for JP Losman in buffalo.Now he is on the verge of being benched in favor of ROMO.Just an FYI.

HOF QB's are not passed around the league. QB's who have mostly average years and a few good years routinely are. I think that speaks volumes.That and not comparing well to his contemporary QB's makes me give a to his HOF bid if he were to retire today.

 

[Tau837]

I do agree Chase has a fair point BUT what about top 8? I say that because Young, Marino, and Elway.

I don't understand what you are asking. Young, Marino, and Elway all deserve to be in the HOF for various reasons. Chase's point I cited was that Bledsoe was never, not once, a top 5 QB in the league. Obviously, Young, Marino, and Elway were many times each. While we are talking real life here, again I'll use fantasy rank as an easy metric to pull. Young was the top QB in the NFL 4 times and won a Super Bowl. Elway was a top 5 QB in the NFL 8 times and won 2 Super Bowls. Marino was a top 3 NFL QB 8 times and is currently #1 in pass attempts, completions, passing yards, and passing TDs. How does any of that bear on Bledsoe in any way?

Re baseball analogy, what about precedent? Drew doesn't make it but others did? Fran Tarkenton, Bart Starr, Namath...I'm not sure who(I don't have a list handy just threw names out there) but there's some that weren't overwhelming statistically or were but didn't have the championships or somesuch. Fouts? I dunno, haven't slept yet overtired.

I addressed this already. You can't compare across eras. Bart Starr played without pass interference, roughing the passer, etc., and played in a running era. Apples and oranges. Same thing to different degrees for Tarkenton and Namath.More importantly, using precedent is a terrible method. If the voters make a "mistake", like voting in Namath, it would merely compound the mistake by using him as a precedent to justify inducting other unworthy QBs. This is a problem baseball's HOF has long suffered from.

Just one example-How does Bettis compare to Barry and Emmitt? IMO Not close, giant gap in talent+impact on the game and WOW factor amongst other things. As you know Emmitt all time leading rusher and Barry very well could/would have been had he not retired early. He is considerred a lock by some folks. Why is it fair to compare him to the others and not Barry+Emmitt but with Bledsoe we judge him by Montana+Marino? Well, rambling, hope this makes sense.

Bettis was All Pro twice and was a top 5 RB twice in his career. Bledsoe has never been All Pro and was never a top 5 QB, as already mentioned.Bettis made 6 Pro Bowls in 13 seasons, at a position with more competition for Pro Bowl slots. Bledsoe made 4 or 5 (5 stated in this thread, 4 listed at pro-football-reference.com) in 14 seasons and counting, at a position with less competition.Bettis was an important member of a Super Bowl winner. Bledsoe was arguably important, given his cameo in the playoffs in 2001, but was on the bench in the Super Bowl.And Bettis is borderline to many. So how can Bledsoe be even borderline?

 

[dawgtrails]

Once again people, there are opinions, and there are facts.

Facts, Bledsoe stacks up against other HOF QBs in many statistical categories (TDs, YDs, ATTs, etc).

Opinion, some of you think he is not that good. Fine.

However, to simply dismiss him because Watrren Moon has better fantasy stats, or Trent Green has an extra year with a higher passer rating, is, well, shortsighted.

If he plays a few more years (which I know may be doubtful) he is a guaranatee. He will come close to Elway in terms of yards. He will come close to, if not pass Elway in yards and TDs. That will put him in tha Hall. NOw, it may be doubtful that he will play 2 or 3 more years.

He is not a lock, and he is far from the scrub that some of you are making him out to be. Debate away, but don't dismiss.

 

[Gargoylez]

Once again people, there are opinions, and there are facts.Facts, Bledsoe stacks up against other HOF QBs in many statistical categories (TDs, YDs, ATTs, etc).Opinion, some of you think he is not that good. Fine.However, to simply dismiss him because Watrren Moon has better fantasy stats, or Trent Green has an extra year with a higher passer rating, is, well, shortsighted.If he plays a few more years (which I know may be doubtful) he is a guaranatee. He will come close to Elway in terms of yards. He will come close to, if not pass Elway in yards and TDs. That will put him in tha Hall. NOw, it may be doubtful that he will play 2 or 3 more years.He is not a lock, and he is far from the scrub that some of you are making him out to be. Debate away, but don't dismiss.

Will he? Probably.SHOULD he? No.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Once again people, there are opinions, and there are facts.Facts, Bledsoe stacks up against other HOF QBs in many statistical categories (TDs, YDs, ATTs, etc).

Fact: Stats are not all that matter. Fact: Most of those HoF QB's who Bledsoe supposedly stacks up against statistically have good to great postseason numbers/histories to their credit to help solidify their HoF worthiness. Bledsoe does not.

 

[Wadsworth]

Once again people, there are opinions, and there are facts.Facts, Bledsoe stacks up against other HOF QBs in many statistical categories (TDs, YDs, ATTs, etc).

Compare him to QBs from his era. For example, if you compare recent WRs to WRs from 30 years ago already in the Hall, you would concluded that about 20 current and recently retired WRs should be in the HoF.

 

[Snotbubbles]

If it were all about statistics Testeverde and Krieg would be first ballot HOFers.

Bledsoe doesn't have that "it" quality that guys like Aikman, Kelly, Marino, Elway, even Peyton Manning or a Donovan McNabb have.

 

[TommyGilmore]

The day Drew Bledsoe leads his team to a Super Bowl victory is the day he gets serious mention as a Hall Of Famer.

 

[rabidfireweasel]

Just to play devil's advocate, Bledsoe has gotten 20+ snaps in a winning effort in 2 conference championship games. His contemporaries who have also done that, off the top of my head:

Aikman

Kelly

Elway

Farve

Brady

Warner

 

[DrJ]

Just to play devil's advocate, Bledsoe has gotten 20+ snaps in a winning effort in 2 conference championship games. His contemporaries who have also done that, off the top of my head:AikmanKellyElwayFarveBradyWarner

Aikman - won 3 Superbowls.Kelly - Appeared in 4 SuperbowlsElway - Won 2 Superbowls, appeared in 4.Favre - Appeared in 2 Superbowls, won one, and was league MVP 3 times.Brady - Won 3 Superbowls.Bledsoe isn't even in the same class as these guys. He's in the same class as Warner, and despite being in 2 Superbowls and winning one, he isn't going to the HOF either.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Bledsoe isn't even in the same class as these guys. He's in the same class as Warner, and despite being in 2 Superbowls and winning one, he isn't going to the HOF either.

Bledsoe is not in the class of Kurt Warner. Warner is the type of player that actually should get NFL HOF consideration. He literally came into the league and dominated for about 2 & 3/4 seasons and came away with two SB appearances and 1 ring. Warner was clearly considered to be one of the 2-3 best QBs in the league during his prime, before being cut short by multiple hand injuries. He's the Terrell Davis of QBs and I think Warner is way more worthy of HOF debate than Bledsoe.

 

[mbuehner]

Warner was clearly considered to be one of the 2-3 best QBs in the league during his prime, before being cut short by multiple hand injuries.

His career was 'cut short' by sucking once defenses figured out the guy couldnt make plays if you put a hand in his face.

 

[David Yudkin]

If Bledsoe stays as a starter this year and next year, it's not out of the question that he winds up with 4,000 completions, 50,000 passing yards, and 300 TD passes (the biggest reash is the TD total). That would rank him Top 4 all time in all of those categories. He might have to hang on for another year beyond that to get all three milestones.

Having watched Bledsoe extensively over his career, I never once thought of him as a HOF talent or future HOFer. While I personally don't view him as a HOFer, his stats may end up strong enough for him to sneak in, even though there are many other players I'd rather see in before Bledsoe.

He rarely came up big when it counted and could normally be counted on for a big interception when it mattered most. If there are enough voters that recognize that, he won't make it in. But another year or two or padding his stats will make it tough to ignore his career totals.

 

[Gargoylez]

Warner was clearly considered to be one of the 2-3 best QBs in the league during his prime, before being cut short by multiple hand injuries.

His career was 'cut short' by sucking once defenses figured out the guy couldnt make plays if you put a hand in his face.

Well actually for an entire year he was burdened by a hand injury and it lingered into the next year. Then he was benched in NY for Eli... now he has been benched by yet another first rounder. Kinda sounds somewhat like Bledsoe. Being bounced around, team to team getting benched by younger QB's.I would consider Warner WAY before Bledsoe. Warner was part of one of the best offensive teams in the history of the NFL.

 

[David Yudkin]

Bledsoe isn't even in the same class as these guys. He's in the same class as Warner, and despite being in 2 Superbowls and winning one, he isn't going to the HOF either.

Bledsoe is not in the class of Kurt Warner. Warner is the type of player that actually should get NFL HOF consideration. He literally came into the league and dominated for about 2 & 3/4 seasons and came away with two SB appearances and 1 ring. Warner was clearly considered to be one of the 2-3 best QBs in the league during his prime, before being cut short by multiple hand injuries. He's the Terrell Davis of QBs and I think Warner is way more worthy of HOF debate than Bledsoe.

I disagree on Warner. Two great years (and a part of another) will not get it done for HOF consideration, especially at QB where there are plenty of guys with 15 year careers. Davis has a better chance IMO but even his candidacy has taken a hit given the repeat success of Broncos RBs since he retired.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Warner won't make the HoF, but to say he was never that good and defenses caught up to him is pure ignorance. He was the best QB for three straight seasons. You don't win two MVP awards and dominate the way he did without being great. He hurt his hand again early in the 2002 season and has never been the same since. What a shame, too.

Warner was clearly considered to be one of the 2-3 best QBs in the league during his prime, before being cut short by multiple hand injuries.

His career was 'cut short' by sucking once defenses figured out the guy couldnt make plays if you put a hand in his face.

Did you even watch the Rams in '99, '00, or '01? It was common knowledge that teams were terrified to blitz the Rams because Warner was so great at finding the open receiver in the face of great pressure.

 

[Ghost Rider]

This must be why the best blitzing team (Tampa) in the league routinely gave the Rams their toughest games...Warner was no doubt a product of the system...and his surrounding players such as future HOFer's Faulk, Holt, Pace and Bruce.

Tampa Bay gave the Rams trouble because their Cover 2 made it more difficult for the Rams receivers to get open.And did you know that TB blitzed once the entire game when the Rams beat the Bucs 11-6 in the title game? Yeah, that resulted in Warner throwing the winning TD to Proehl. Try again, genius.

 

[Ghost Rider]

This must be why the best pressure-blitzing team (Tampa) in the league routinely shut down and gave the Rams their toughest games...

Warner was no doubt a product of the system...and his surrounding players such as future HOFer's Faulk, Holt, Pace and Bruce.

Tampa Bay gave the Rams trouble because their Cover 2 made it more difficult for the Rams receivers to get open.And did you know that TB blitzed once the entire game when the Rams beat the Bucs 11-6 in the title game? Yeah, that resulted in Warner throwing the winning TD to Proehl. Try again, genius.

Not true "genius", got a link? Anyone who has ever watched or played against Kurt Warner knows his weakness all to well. Warner consistantly wilts under pressure...he absolutely sucks under pressure, like many QB's.

That is the Warner of today. Years of taking a beating in Mike Martz's system clearly affected his psyche. Back in the day, he was awesome in the face of pressure. I am still wondering if you actually watched the Rams games back then. And that was the only time the Bucs blitzed the entire game. It is fact. They even said that after the game, and regretted doing it.

 

[Ghost Rider]

That was in 2002, after the beating he took in the Super Bowl against NE, and during a terrible stretch.

I still have a SI from 2001 where it talks in detail about how awesome Warner was when faced with a great pass rush.

As for the TB game, I do not have a link, nor do I need one. I know what I remember and heard. If you choose not to believe me, that is fine.

 

[Chase Stuart]

This must be why the best pressure-blitzing team (Tampa) in the league routinely shut down and gave the Rams their toughest games...

Warner was no doubt a product of the system...and his surrounding players such as future HOFer's Faulk, Holt, Pace and Bruce.

Tampa Bay gave the Rams trouble because their Cover 2 made it more difficult for the Rams receivers to get open.And did you know that TB blitzed once the entire game when the Rams beat the Bucs 11-6 in the title game? Yeah, that resulted in Warner throwing the winning TD to Proehl. Try again, genius.

Not true "genius", got a link? Anyone who has ever watched or played against Kurt Warner knows his weakness all to well. Warner consistantly wilts under pressure...he absolutely sucks under pressure, like many QB's.

That is the Warner of today. Years of taking a beating in Mike Martz's system clearly affected his psyche. Back in the day, he was awesome in the face of pressure. I am still wondering if you actually watched the Rams games back then. And that was the only time the Bucs blitzed the entire game. It is fact. They even said that after the game, and regretted doing it.

GR is dead on here. Warner was the best QB in the NFL vs. the blitz during his prime. The best.

 

[chitlins3]

This must be why the best pressure-blitzing team (Tampa) in the league routinely shut down and gave the Rams their toughest games...

Warner was no doubt a product of the system...and his surrounding players such as future HOFer's Faulk, Holt, Pace and Bruce.

Tampa Bay gave the Rams trouble because their Cover 2 made it more difficult for the Rams receivers to get open.And did you know that TB blitzed once the entire game when the Rams beat the Bucs 11-6 in the title game? Yeah, that resulted in Warner throwing the winning TD to Proehl. Try again, genius.

Not true "genius", got a link? Anyone who has ever watched or played against Kurt Warner knows his weakness all to well. Warner consistantly wilts under pressure...he absolutely sucks under pressure, like many QB's.

What do you think isn't true? The Bucs blitzed on Proehl's TD catch, a quick Google search reveals numerous write-ups of the game that all mention Tampa's blitz. This link http://www.stpetersburgtimes.com/News/1217...as_close_.shtml includes quotes from Brian Kelly and John Lynch indicating that it was the first time that game they had shown that blitz.

 

[KoolKat]

Bledsoe is a HOFer.

Warren Moon never won a Super Bowl, never even went to a Super Bowl, but stats speak volumes. It may take Bledsoe 10-15 even 20 years, but he'll get in. Maybe not though, nothing is for sure when Art Monk and Randy Gradishar can't get in. However, I do not see an overload of HOF worthy QBs on the ballot, so he may get in sooner then I think.

 

[Ghost Rider]

That was in 2002, after the beating he took in the Super Bowl against NE, and during a terrible stretch.

I still have a SI from 2001 where it talks in detail about how awesome Warner was when faced with a great pass rush.

As for the TB game, I do not have a link, nor do I need one. I know what I remember and heard. If you choose not to believe me, that is fine.

You choose to believe what you see, I choose to believe what I see.I have quickly provided two legitimate links that are very clear about how Warner does not perform well when pressured...still waiting for you to provide just one that shows he does.

Unlike you, I do not feel the need to scan the internet for links, just to prove some internet blowhard wrong. Epsecially one who was exaggerating Bill Parcells' accomplishments last week in the Schottenheimer thread, and then bailed on it when he was repeatedly proven wrong.

GR is dead on here. Warner was the best QB in the NFL vs. the blitz during his prime. The best.

What do you think isn't true? The Bucs blitzed on Proehl's TD catch, a quick Google search reveals numerous write-ups of the game that all mention Tampa's blitz. This link http://www.stpetersburgtimes.com/News/1217...as_close_.shtml includes quotes from Brian Kelly and John Lynch indicating that it was the first time that game they had shown that blitz.

Another unknown QB Marc Bulger came into the same Rams system and went 5-0 and took Warner's job.

Hmmm, and with the same players around him, Bulger has won one playoff game (to Warner's five), zero MVP awards (to Warner's three, two regular season and one Super Bowl), and zero Super Bowl's (to Warner's one). And he has never come close to putting up the numbers Warner did, nor has the offense as a whole since Warner's departure.

Thanks for playing.

 

[Thorn]

Bump to see if anyone's had a change of heart now that

1. The Cowboys won't even make the playoffs, and

2. Bledsoe's been benched.

 

[massraider]

Bump to see if anyone's had a change of heart now that 1. The Cowboys won't even make the playoffs, and2. Bledsoe's been benched.

If anyone was thinking he was a Hall of Famer before this season, I doubt they wised up in the last month.