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ghostguy123

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I'll just say it. The laws for drunk driving need to be changed.

In Ohio the legal limit is 0.08. That's fine. However, I think people should be able to take a test to be allowed to go over that limit.

Now, I don't condone drinking and driving at all, but damn it, I know many people well over that legal limit that drive better than the dozens and dozens of total imbociles I come across on the road on a daily basis.

If I drive better than you when I am at 0.14 why the hell is it legal for YOU to be out there causing chaos and I am in jail for being a safer driver than you are??

Rant about bad drivers over...............but I have always thought about "the test" to be able to drive drunker, yeeha

................and this isnt about wanting to be able to drive drunk as much as it is I want those idiots terrible horrific dumbbell drivers off the road. But we know that aint happenin.

 
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Wouldn't work because some who passed the test would eventually fail. My buddy was a great "test passing" driver back in the day....until he flipped his car with us in it about 12 miles out in the country. The long walk back into town banged up wasn't very fun.

 
Widbil83 said:
Wouldn't work because some who passed the test would eventually fail. My buddy was a great "test passing" driver back in the day....until he flipped his car with us in it about 12 miles out in the country. The long walk back into town banged up wasn't very fun.
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Or maybe he was just lucky up to that point and would NOT have passed the test to have HIS legal limit raised to some arbitrary number, say 1.1.

Staying alive would not equal passing a test.

The point of the test would be geared towards decision making, reaction times, and overall awareness and ability. Not the abillity to just "maintain" and get home without dying.

Some actual evidence of ability while a certain amount of impairment.

Actually this can go both ways, cause I know people who are just horrendous drivers when they have a couple and are under the legal limit, when they are normally good drivers.

I suppose the test can lower your own personal legal limit as well.

 
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When I was a habitual binge drinker in college, .08 was probably my resting BAC and I felt sober. Today, my reaction speed is definitely slower at .08.

If anything, I see the laws getting tougher, not more relaxed.

 
You can't even post in the right forum after a few drinks and we should allow you behind a dangerous vehicle?

(This was posted in the shark pool)

 
Yeah, creating a test so some people can drive more drunk isn't about getting the bad drivers off the road.

 
one time said:
You can't even post in the right forum after a few drinks and we should allow you behind a dangerous vehicle?

(This was posted in the shark pool)
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Lol, I am at work. Tired, would rather be drunk.

But no I dont drink and drive (anymore), nor did I imply I plan to.

But as stated, the TEST would actually TEST for ability. Last I checked, drinking and driving is illegal because it impairs your ability to drive. Also last I checked, people's impairment ranged wildly in this regard.

Obviously if you are too impaired (as proven through a series of tests) you would not pass at certain blood alcohol levels.

 
avoiding injuries said:
When I was a habitual binge drinker in college, .08 was probably my resting BAC and I felt sober. Today, my reaction speed is definitely slower at .08.

If anything, I see the laws getting tougher, not more relaxed.
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This

Actually see them getting more obtrusive with breathalyzers becoming standard given the nanny state direction we're heading.

 
When I was younger with less life experience and much more of a hothead I would've agreed with this. As I've gotten older and wiser, I've realized how awful/dangerous/stupid drinking & driving is. They shouldn't be more lenient with anyone about this and I'm pretty sure nothing will change these rules.

More than likely, the road will be filled with self-driving cars in 30-50 years, until then don't have more than 2 possibly 3 drinks depending on your size and drive.

 
ghostguy123 said:
one time said:
You can't even post in the right forum after a few drinks and we should allow you behind a dangerous vehicle?

(This was posted in the shark pool)
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Lol, I am at work. Tired, would rather be drunk.

But no I dont drink and drive (anymore), nor did I imply I plan to.

But as stated, the TEST would actually TEST for ability. Last I checked, drinking and driving is illegal because it impairs your ability to drive. Also last I checked, people's impairment ranged wildly in this regard.

Obviously if you are too impaired (as proven through a series of tests) you would not pass at certain blood alcohol levels.
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Sort of like the NFL combine for drinkers?

 
ghostguy123 said:
I'll just say it. The laws for drunk driving need to be changed.

In Ohio the legal limit is 0.8. That's fine. However, I think people should be able to take a test to be allowed to go over that limit.

Now, I don't condone drinking and driving at all, but damn it, I know many people well over that legal limit that drive better than the dozens and dozens of total imbociles I come across on the road on a daily basis.

If I drive better than you when I am at 1.4, why the hell is it legal for YOU to be out there causing chaos and I am in jail for being a safer driver than you are??

Rant about bad drivers over...............but I have always thought about "the test" to be able to drive drunker, yeeha

................and this isnt about wanting to be able to drive drunk as much as it is I want those idiots terrible horrific dumbbell drivers off the road. But we know that aint happenin.
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It's .08 there chief. And at 1.4, you're pretty much dead.

 
Rayderr said:
ghostguy123 said:
I'll just say it. The laws for drunk driving need to be changed.

In Ohio the legal limit is 0.8. That's fine. However, I think people should be able to take a test to be allowed to go over that limit.

Now, I don't condone drinking and driving at all, but damn it, I know many people well over that legal limit that drive better than the dozens and dozens of total imbociles I come across on the road on a daily basis.

If I drive better than you when I am at 1.4, why the hell is it legal for YOU to be out there causing chaos and I am in jail for being a safer driver than you are??

Rant about bad drivers over...............but I have always thought about "the test" to be able to drive drunker, yeeha

................and this isnt about wanting to be able to drive drunk as much as it is I want those idiots terrible horrific dumbbell drivers off the road. But we know that aint happenin.
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It's .08 there chief. And at 1.4, you're pretty much dead.
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Pretty obviois i mixed up the decimals but thanks. Actually 0.5 is approaching death/coma.

 
ghostguy123 said:
Rayderr said:
ghostguy123 said:
I'll just say it. The laws for drunk driving need to be changed.

In Ohio the legal limit is 0.8. That's fine. However, I think people should be able to take a test to be allowed to go over that limit.

Now, I don't condone drinking and driving at all, but damn it, I know many people well over that legal limit that drive better than the dozens and dozens of total imbociles I come across on the road on a daily basis.

If I drive better than you when I am at 1.4, why the hell is it legal for YOU to be out there causing chaos and I am in jail for being a safer driver than you are??

Rant about bad drivers over...............but I have always thought about "the test" to be able to drive drunker, yeeha

................and this isnt about wanting to be able to drive drunk as much as it is I want those idiots terrible horrific dumbbell drivers off the road. But we know that aint happenin.
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It's .08 there chief. And at 1.4, you're pretty much dead.
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Pretty obviois i mixed up the decimals but thanks. Actually 0.5 is approaching death/coma.
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Pfft

I'm just getting settled in at 0.5.

 
Mister Martie said:
Seems like you really thought this one through.
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I have. Just definitely didnt explain it well enough. Maybe i will after some actual sleep.

People seem to think i am in favor of people getting hammered amd driving. Not the case.

I am merely saying 0.08 is an arbitrary number since people become impaired differently than others. For some people it should be illegal for them to drive at 0.03 because they are more impaired than other people at 0.1, yet they would never get a DUI.

Hell maybe have a zero tolerance policy until you take "the test" to figure out what your personal legal limit is.

I guess the sober cruddy dangerous drivers out there would be a whole other discussion.

 
"Oh, I can drive better drunk than half the sober idiots on the road."

This mentality is so wrong. It's also a very pervasive thought in our society. That's why people continue to drive drunk. Drunk driving, yes even at .08, is like giving somebody a loaded, cocked pistol, albeit usually a 2,800 pound speeding pistol. It's stupid, and it's wrong. Don't do it. Too many lives are ruined every day by a drunk driver.

 
ghostguy123 said:
Mister Martie said:
Seems like you really thought this one through.
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I have. Just definitely didnt explain it well enough. Maybe i will after some actual sleep. People seem to think i am in favor of people getting hammered amd driving. Not the case.

I am merely saying 0.08 is an arbitrary number since people become impaired differently than others. For some people it should be illegal for them to drive at 0.03 because they are more impaired than other people at 0.1, yet they would never get a DUI.

Hell maybe have a zero tolerance policy until you take "the test" to figure out what your personal legal limit is.

I guess the sober cruddy dangerous drivers out there would be a whole other discussion.
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:mellow:
 
Treynwreck3 said:
"Oh, I can drive better drunk than half the sober idiots on the road."

This mentality is so wrong. It's also a very pervasive thought in our society. That's why people continue to drive drunk. Drunk driving, yes even at .08, is like giving somebody a loaded, cocked pistol, albeit usually a 2,800 pound speeding pistol. It's stupid, and it's wrong. Don't do it. Too many lives are ruined every day by a drunk driver.
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Then lets do zero tolerance and you have to pass tests to be allowed to drive at up to 0.08 BAL.

There we go.

 
ghostguy123 said:
Mister Martie said:
Seems like you really thought this one through.
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I have. Just definitely didnt explain it well enough. Maybe i will after some actual sleep.

People seem to think i am in favor of people getting hammered amd driving. Not the case.

I am merely saying 0.08 is an arbitrary number since people become impaired differently than others. For some people it should be illegal for them to drive at 0.03 because they are more impaired than other people at 0.1, yet they would never get a DUI.

Hell maybe have a zero tolerance policy until you take "the test" to figure out what your personal legal limit is.

I guess the sober cruddy dangerous drivers out there would be a whole other discussion.
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Im not an officer of the law nor a judge or lawyer, but I do not think this is necessarily true. If you are impaired, you can be charged, regardless of BAL.

 
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here's the problem - it's about decision making. It's easy to make good decisions when someone is watching - i.e. your test. Will someone make the same good decisions after a few beers at 2:00AM? I'm guessing not.

 
Holy wow this is a stupid perspective.

It's really not that hard to stay below the legal limit.

 
playing along- the OP would need every legal driver to take a drunk test... actually a bunch of drunk tests... to figure out what constitutes safe drunk driving for every person behind the wheel of a car. Keep taking the test until you crash- that's the number that's no good. Hey- some stupid sober people will even crash. Win/win.

so stupid, this thread.

 
ghostguy123 said:
I'll just say it. The laws for drunk driving need to be changed.

In Ohio the legal limit is 0.8. That's fine. However, I think people should be able to take a test to be allowed to go over that limit.

Now, I don't condone drinking and driving at all, but damn it, I know many people well over that legal limit that drive better than the dozens and dozens of total imbociles I come across on the road on a daily basis.

If I drive better than you when I am at 1.4, why the hell is it legal for YOU to be out there causing chaos and I am in jail for being a safer driver than you are??

Rant about bad drivers over...............but I have always thought about "the test" to be able to drive drunker, yeeha

................and this isnt about wanting to be able to drive drunk as much as it is I want those idiots terrible horrific dumbbell drivers off the road. But we know that aint happenin.
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Your logic is way off here. If I'm a very good driver, I shouldn't be allowed to drink and drive (which would make me less of a good driver). Sure there are very bad sober drivers out there but why add to the pool? :shrug:

 
I took a DUI class and the instructor said that those that habitually drink and drive are not arrested until approximately the 88th time they have done so.

 
moleculo said:
here's the problem - it's about decision making. It's easy to make good decisions when someone is watching - i.e. your test. Will someone make the same good decisions after a few beers at 2:00AM? I'm guessing not.
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Not only that, but it's also about reaction.

Sure, at 1.2, 1.4 you may be able to safely drive the speed limit, stay in your lane, and obey traffic laws. But if a situation arises in which you have to make a quick decision, i.e. you come around a corner and there's a child walking across the street, it's a fact that alcohol is going to delay your response time.

Don't be an #######.

 
ghostguy123 said:
But as stated, the TEST would actually TEST for ability. Last I checked, drinking and driving is illegal because it impairs your ability to drive. Also last I checked, people's impairment ranged wildly in this regard.

Obviously if you are too impaired (as proven through a series of tests) you would not pass at certain blood alcohol levels.
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This is exactly what the Courts need, a more subjective drunk driving test. It's also a good use of our police resources - standing roadside giving a series of tests to obvious drunks.

 
I think something needs to be changed with DUI laws. I think at this point it is just a big money maker for police & lawyers.

If society was really concerned about drunk drivers there would be more effective ways at stopping it.

How about a mandatory breathalyzer when leaving a bar parking lot?

In Tampa there is no public transportation that runs at night. They have a limited number of Taxis, yet there are bars everywhere. If there was a rail, or bus system at night, then people likely wouldn't drive drunk as much.

 
Worm said:
moleculo said:
here's the problem - it's about decision making. It's easy to make good decisions when someone is watching - i.e. your test. Will someone make the same good decisions after a few beers at 2:00AM? I'm guessing not.
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Not only that, but it's also about reaction.

Sure, at 1.2, 1.4 you may be able to safely drive the speed limit, stay in your lane, and obey traffic laws. But if a situation arises in which you have to make a quick decision, i.e. you come around a corner and there's a child walking across the street, it's a fact that alcohol is going to delay your response time.

Don't be an #######.
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I think under the OP's test, hitting a child during one of the series of tests, deducts some serious points. After the second child it's an automatic fail.

 
ghostguy123 said:
I'll just say it. The laws for drunk driving need to be changed.

In Ohio the legal limit is 0.8. That's fine. However, I think people should be able to take a test to be allowed to go over that limit.

Now, I don't condone drinking and driving at all, but damn it, I know many people well over that legal limit that drive better than the dozens and dozens of total imbociles I come across on the road on a daily basis.

If I drive better than you when I am at 1.4, why the hell is it legal for YOU to be out there causing chaos and I am in jail for being a safer driver than you are??

Rant about bad drivers over...............but I have always thought about "the test" to be able to drive drunker, yeeha

................and this isnt about wanting to be able to drive drunk as much as it is I want those idiots terrible horrific dumbbell drivers off the road. But we know that aint happenin.
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I actually agree with your post in principle. However, it logistically fails when I note that coming up with such a "test" is likely impossible or, at the very least, cost prohibitive.

 
ghostguy123 said:
I'll just say it. The laws for drunk driving need to be changed.

In Ohio the legal limit is 0.8. That's fine. However, I think people should be able to take a test to be allowed to go over that limit.

Now, I don't condone drinking and driving at all, but damn it, I know many people well over that legal limit that drive better than the dozens and dozens of total imbociles I come across on the road on a daily basis.

If I drive better than you when I am at 1.4, why the hell is it legal for YOU to be out there causing chaos and I am in jail for being a safer driver than you are??

Rant about bad drivers over...............but I have always thought about "the test" to be able to drive drunker, yeeha

................and this isnt about wanting to be able to drive drunk as much as it is I want those idiots terrible horrific dumbbell drivers off the road. But we know that aint happenin.
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Because you'd be dead with a third of the BAC you claimed... But I agree with the premise, and for far too many jurisdictions it's nothing but a cash grab. The safety implications are there, but that isn't the focus of most places in practice, it's about emptying bank accounts into the state's pockets.

 
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