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Duke Johnson RB Dolphins (2 Viewers)

thoughts on buying him for the 2nd half? The RB landscape is so bleak right now I'm searching for a "cheap" player that could emerge in the 2nd half if things break right. He's really established himself in the passing game, Crow seems to be going down the drain and Turbin stinks. He's not really getting carries but does that change with Crow/Turbin being so mediocre?

 
Hes a cheap Woodhead. Inly difference being the offense isnt as good, he doesnt get red zone carries, and Johnny Football may be starting. He will get you a safe 10-12 pts most weeks. I dont see him breaking out because he hasnt been very good at running the ball anyway.

 
Browns coach Mike Pettine acknowledged Duke Johnson needs to get more touches.

Johnson saw three touches against the Cardinals last week with just one of those coming in the second half. "Duke is a guy who has showed he can do some damage with the football," Pettine said. "I think that is on us as a staff to find more creative ways to get him the football, whether that is in the run game or whether that's in the pass game. He is showing to be the guy we thought he was." With Isaiah Crowell and Robert Turbin forming one of the most ineffective early-down duos in the league, there is little reason for Johnson to touch the ball just three times in any game. He should lead the backs in opportunities moving forward.

 
JaxJokers said:
Browns coach Mike Pettine acknowledged Duke Johnson needs to get more touches.

Johnson saw three touches against the Cardinals last week with just one of those coming in the second half. "Duke is a guy who has showed he can do some damage with the football," Pettine said. "I think that is on us as a staff to find more creative ways to get him the football, whether that is in the run game or whether that's in the pass game. He is showing to be the guy we thought he was." With Isaiah Crowell and Robert Turbin forming one of the most ineffective early-down duos in the league, there is little reason for Johnson to touch the ball just three times in any game. He should lead the backs in opportunities moving forward.
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thanks for that...that's exactly what I was thinking and glad that the coaches recognize it.

 
Banger said:
JaxJokers said:
Browns coach Mike Pettine acknowledged Duke Johnson needs to get more touches.

Johnson saw three touches against the Cardinals last week with just one of those coming in the second half. "Duke is a guy who has showed he can do some damage with the football," Pettine said. "I think that is on us as a staff to find more creative ways to get him the football, whether that is in the run game or whether that's in the pass game. He is showing to be the guy we thought he was." With Isaiah Crowell and Robert Turbin forming one of the most ineffective early-down duos in the league, there is little reason for Johnson to touch the ball just three times in any game. He should lead the backs in opportunities moving forward.
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thanks for that...that's exactly what I was thinking and glad that the coaches recognize it.
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Keep in mind who the coach is

 
Yeah, I lost Bell this week, so I have a handful of "lottery tickets" in Duke, CJ, and Cobb to go along with Gurley. Hopefully one of them pans out.

 
Did he have the Browns' biggest gain again? I think so. They need to get him more involved badly. Barnidge was triple covered on the drive where they settled for the FG. And then they got the TD with Duke. It was encouraging there was no Turbin this time though.

 
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Yeah. He is not being used to his strengths in the running game. In the passing game he is proving invaluable. Duke has ton's of explosive play making talent.

Get him the ball early and often.

 
When your blockers beat their guys, you play to your strengths. You can dictate and make them change

When your blockers can't, you take what the defense gives you. If they try to take away the outside run, you run inside. That's what bad teams get used to doing.

The reason bad teams stay bad is they don't even try to dictate to their good opponents. They hope to get a few good/lucky plays. They might try a trick play with a worse than average short term expectation to increase their variance. And in between they take what the opponent gives. Like running duke up the middle. It's got bad long term expectation but sometimes it works.

 
5 touches, 10.8 points in 0.5 ppr. FF does not equal NFL but he is really effective with the ball. When he gets it. And the run plays they use him on, what is the point? Give him some pitches outside or some trap plays.

 
Just shows how dumb the Browns are and why they suck. For six weeks, this guy has been busting a big play or two nearly every week, yet barely gets touches. Meanwhile, they keep giving it to Crowell, who clearly stinks. Geniuses. :lol:

 
Yeah, Duke's usage induces several "WTF" expressions from me. It's too be expected, I suppose, given the team for which he plays. His disappearance in the 2nd half of game in which they were behind....bizarre to me.

 
Rotoworld:

Duke Johnson rushed seven times for 27 yards and caught 5-of-6 targets for 23 yards in the Browns' Week 12 loss to the Ravens on Monday night.

Per Pro Football Focus' Nathan Jahnke, Johnson played 45 snaps to Isaiah Crowell's 21. It was Johnson's highest snap rate of the season and something the Browns seriously need to consider making permanent. Crowell has shown nothing all season, averaging 2.94 YPC, while Johnson continues to flash on limited touches and can pass protect. Johnson has returned RB2/FLEX value in PPR formats all year and would get an obvious boost with more work.

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Ilov80s said:
jurb26 said:
Ilov80s said:
Do I cut this guy in standard?
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Wasn't he the starting RB last night and didn't he get the majority of RB touches? I get that he's not been very productive in standard, but cutting him is a bad idea.
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Right, I can start him any week and get 5-9 points. Is that going to win in the playoffs though?
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I drafted him, cut him, traded for him and cut him again. He's stuck in 2nd gear. Moderate floor and low upside. Not a winning combo unless you have studs at every other spot. Was very hopeful for him but he hasn't turned the corner.

 
Banger said:
Ilov80s said:
jurb26 said:
Ilov80s said:
Do I cut this guy in standard?
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Wasn't he the starting RB last night and didn't he get the majority of RB touches? I get that he's not been very productive in standard, but cutting him is a bad idea.
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Right, I can start him any week and get 5-9 points. Is that going to win in the playoffs though?
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I drafted him, cut him, traded for him and cut him again. He's stuck in 2nd gear. Moderate floor and low upside. Not a winning combo unless you have studs at every other spot. Was very hopeful for him but he hasn't turned the corner.
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Similar story here. Just dropped him again to stash a D for next week.
 
ConnSKINS26 said:
So, people buying with Hue in town?
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I'm buying RBBC.

The good news is I think he will try to run the ball a lot. Even better is that he did show a willingness to try to go with one back predominantly in 2011 with Oakland and at times in 2013 with Cincinnati. So that leaves the door open for one of Cleveland's RBs to demonstrate that he is worthy of the 60% share in a RBBC.

It may be DJ, it may be Crow or it may be someone who isn't even on the roster yet. I thought Crow looked like the better back last year for the most part but not by much.

 
Chaka said:
ConnSKINS26 said:
So, people buying with Hue in town?
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I'm buying RBBC.

The good news is I think he will try to run the ball a lot. Even better is that he did show a willingness to try to go with one back predominantly in 2011 with Oakland and at times in 2013 with Cincinnati. So that leaves the door open for one of Cleveland's RBs to demonstrate that he is worthy of the 60% share in a RBBC.

It may be DJ, it may be Crow or it may be someone who isn't even on the roster yet. I thought Crow looked like the better back last year for the most part but not by much.
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Im not staring at the stats right now, but Crowell looked positively awful in all phases of the game until around Thanksgiving. And it's not as if Crowell hit a new plane late in the season-- he just started to become moderately productive. No sea-change. I think we've seen Crowell at his best and his worst in his time so far in CLE, and the ceiling just doesnt appear to be very high.

Duke was vastly more consistent Sept-->Dec and generally more dynamic throughout the season. As Crowell emerged late, DJ moved into the shadows a little but I think that is an opportunity for DJ buyers, not a warning. DJ hasnt had a chance to show us all his gears yet. We dont have a good feel for his ceiling. He is the one to buy here knowing that the % chance for more upside is strong enough to invest in. There's no guarantee that upside surfaces of course...but if the perceptions above are what's true in the market, then these conditions favor DJ buyers-- get him now before the possibility of pre-season talk about DJ taking "more steps forward" in his career begin popping up.

 
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Tango said:
Chaka said:
ConnSKINS26 said:
So, people buying with Hue in town?
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I'm buying RBBC.

The good news is I think he will try to run the ball a lot. Even better is that he did show a willingness to try to go with one back predominantly in 2011 with Oakland and at times in 2013 with Cincinnati. So that leaves the door open for one of Cleveland's RBs to demonstrate that he is worthy of the 60% share in a RBBC.

It may be DJ, it may be Crow or it may be someone who isn't even on the roster yet. I thought Crow looked like the better back last year for the most part but not by much.
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Im not staring at the stats right now, but Crowell looked positively awful in all phases of the game until around Thanksgiving. And it's not as if Crowell hit a new plane late in the season-- he just started to become moderately productive. No sea-change. I think we've seen Crowell at his best and his worst in his time so far in CLE, and the ceiling just doesnt appear to be very high.

Duke was vastly more consistent Sept-->Dec and generally more dynamic throughout the season. As Crowell emerged late, DJ moved into the shadows a little but I think that is an opportunity for DJ buyers, not a warning. DJ hasnt had a chance to show us all his gears yet. We dont have a good feel for his ceiling. He is the one to buy here knowing that the % chance for more upside is strong enough to invest in. There's no guarantee that upside surfaces of course...but if the perceptions above are what's true in the market, then these conditions favor DJ buyers-- get him now before the possibility of pre-season talk about DJ taking "more steps forward" in his career begin popping up.
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They were both pretty mediocre. I thought Crow looked marginally (i.e. not a lot but a little) better and his YPA and YPR were better than DJ's so your observations aren't really supported by the numbers.

 
Crow REALLY stepped up his receiving game this year, but I know that DJ is the better receiver.

They were both turrible in the run game early on, but later Crow really stepped up. I still think he is a solid runner and is the much better of the 2 in that aspect.

Hue has himself a replica of what he had in CIN, imo. He'll take advantage of it

 
Chaka said:
Tango said:
Chaka said:
ConnSKINS26 said:
So, people buying with Hue in town?
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I'm buying RBBC.

The good news is I think he will try to run the ball a lot. Even better is that he did show a willingness to try to go with one back predominantly in 2011 with Oakland and at times in 2013 with Cincinnati. So that leaves the door open for one of Cleveland's RBs to demonstrate that he is worthy of the 60% share in a RBBC.

It may be DJ, it may be Crow or it may be someone who isn't even on the roster yet. I thought Crow looked like the better back last year for the most part but not by much.
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Im not staring at the stats right now, but Crowell looked positively awful in all phases of the game until around Thanksgiving. And it's not as if Crowell hit a new plane late in the season-- he just started to become moderately productive. No sea-change. I think we've seen Crowell at his best and his worst in his time so far in CLE, and the ceiling just doesnt appear to be very high.

Duke was vastly more consistent Sept-->Dec and generally more dynamic throughout the season. As Crowell emerged late, DJ moved into the shadows a little but I think that is an opportunity for DJ buyers, not a warning. DJ hasnt had a chance to show us all his gears yet. We dont have a good feel for his ceiling. He is the one to buy here knowing that the % chance for more upside is strong enough to invest in. There's no guarantee that upside surfaces of course...but if the perceptions above are what's true in the market, then these conditions favor DJ buyers-- get him now before the possibility of pre-season talk about DJ taking "more steps forward" in his career begin popping up.
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They were both pretty mediocre. I thought Crow looked marginally (i.e. not a lot but a little) better and his YPA and YPR were better than DJ's so your observations aren't really supported by the numbers.
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Indeed, I sincerely hope the observations are not supported by the numbers.

It's those sort of anomalies (in my view an anomaly) where fantasy football trades are made.

 
I had forgotten how good some of his numbers were.

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http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-browns/post/_/id/17941/duke-johnson-is-the-afc-north-rookie-of-the-year

Browns RB Duke Johnson is AFC North Rookie of the Year...Duke Johnson had 61 receptions for 534 yards. The 61 receptions tied for the second-highest by a Browns rookie ever (behind Kevin Johnson's 66 in 1999), and he finished second in receptions, fifth in yards from scrimmage (913) and sixth in receiving yards among NFL rookies.

...The only rookie with more receptions than Johnson: Oakland's Amari Cooper, who had 72. Johnson's total yards were just 154 shy of Cooper's...

...The Browns began the season believing Johnson could be an every-down back. But a hamstring injury and a concussion in the preseason set him back. As the year went on, he shared the carries with Isaiah Crowell, but was the team's best receiver out of the backfield. Former offensive coordinator John DeFilippo used Johnson wisely, as he probably was not big enough to endure the physical toll of playing on every down. Johnson needs to work on his blocking, but he has good hands, showed nifty agility and has speed to run away from people.


The 2015 season was generally dismal for all involved in Cleveland. But Johnson at least gives the Browns a piece to build upon.
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Banger said:
I drafted him, cut him, traded for him and cut him again. He's stuck in 2nd gear. Moderate floor and low upside. Not a winning combo unless you have studs at every other spot. Was very hopeful for him but he hasn't turned the corner.
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Looking like he has a Woodhead/Sproles ceiling

 
Chaka said:
Lost two of their top three offensive linemen and still in a timeshare...hooray?
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Still the Browns.

I would be much more excited about Duke anywhere else. Hue Jacksons recent utilization of Bernard does not make me feel like he will get a shot to be the feature RB. Given his injury history perhaps he shouldn't be.

Very good player as Bracies post above shows. Good enough to overcome the Browns being the Browns? I am still waiting for a player to do that. Been a couple decades now.

 
Hey Shark Pool,

I've started up a site called Forward Fantasy Focus and recently have been doing write up's on some players with ambiguity this coming year. The series is called the Talent, Situation and Opportunity Report. It's an offspring of what Sigmund always preaches when analyzing a player and would love some feedback. Hopefully you'll find the content engaging too.

TSO Report: Cleveland Browns RB - Duke Johnson

http://www.forwardfantasyfocus.com/offseason-coverage-1/2016/5/24/tso-report-cleveland-browns-rb-duke-johnson

Thank you!

 
fredericsb23 said:
Hey Shark Pool,

I've started up a site called Forward Fantasy Focus and recently have been doing write up's on some players with ambiguity this coming year. The series is called the Talent, Situation and Opportunity Report. It's an offspring of what Sigmund always preaches when analyzing a player and would love some feedback. Hopefully you'll find the content engaging too.

TSO Report: Cleveland Browns RB - Duke Johnson

http://www.forwardfantasyfocus.com/offseason-coverage-1/2016/5/24/tso-report-cleveland-browns-rb-duke-johnson

Thank you!
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Great read, I really enjoyed it.

Keep up the good work!

 
Biabreakable said:
Duke Johnson Jr. Official Rookie Highlights

There is a lot to like here.

I am concerned about the departure of center Alex Mack and right tacke Mitchell Schwartz. They still have Joe Thomas but the rest of the offensive line has some question marks.
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A good OL is better than a bad OL, but as more of a pass catching back, I think it has less of an impact on him. It might mean more passing downs and less protection so more dumpoffs/screens. 

 
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