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Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
There will always be debate about Dunn. Perpetually undervalued. 
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Atlanta @ Minnesota:
Atlanta defense 2006: Gave up only 3.7 ypc but 14 TD means they were good for about a score a week. Their secondary helped teams line up form short yardage to punch them in. They are certainly not the bottom of the barrel in terms of ypc.
Minnesota defense 2006: Their rush defense was awesome. They return both DT that plug the middle and held teams to 2.8 ypc and 9 TD for the season.
Warrick Dunn: (Look elsewhere) I would not be wheeling him out week 1. It is possible the Vikes are not as strong on rush defense but even if that ypc comes up from 2.8 to about 3.5, it still will be tough go of it for Atlanta…and we don’t know what the rotation is going to look like…let him sit.
Jerious Norwood: (Bench him) Huge gamble to think you can start him in week 1. With Vick out you can toss that incredible ypc average he had last season right out the window. I know Norwood owners are going to be out for blood when I write this but his value and especially in dynasty leagues takes a huge hit with Vick out. Look at Dunn in TB and when he went to Atlanta…his numbers got better with Vick under center.
And did I mention the Vikings gave up about 60 yards on the ground per game last season…pass on the Falcons week 1. After getting mauled in Minnesota week 1 they get to take off to Jax the next week…another tough run defense and then they get treated to Carolina at home…do yourself a favor in redraft leagues and let the Falcons’ RBs slide slide slide to another team.
Atlanta defense 2006: Gave up only 3.7 ypc but 14 TD means they were good for about a score a week. Their secondary helped teams line up form short yardage to punch them in. They are certainly not the bottom of the barrel in terms of ypc.
Minnesota defense 2006: Their rush defense was awesome. They return both DT that plug the middle and held teams to 2.8 ypc and 9 TD for the season.
Warrick Dunn: (Look elsewhere) I would not be wheeling him out week 1. It is possible the Vikes are not as strong on rush defense but even if that ypc comes up from 2.8 to about 3.5, it still will be tough go of it for Atlanta…and we don’t know what the rotation is going to look like…let him sit.
Jerious Norwood: (Bench him) Huge gamble to think you can start him in week 1. With Vick out you can toss that incredible ypc average he had last season right out the window. I know Norwood owners are going to be out for blood when I write this but his value and especially in dynasty leagues takes a huge hit with Vick out. Look at Dunn in TB and when he went to Atlanta…his numbers got better with Vick under center.
And did I mention the Vikings gave up about 60 yards on the ground per game last season…pass on the Falcons week 1. After getting mauled in Minnesota week 1 they get to take off to Jax the next week…another tough run defense and then they get treated to Carolina at home…do yourself a favor in redraft leagues and let the Falcons’ RBs slide slide slide to another team.
switz
Footballguy
To be expected. I don't think anyone thought Norwood would start week 1, or be the fulltime back at any point this season.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
His ADP of 3-4th round would say otherwise.
duaneok66
Footballguy
thank you . . .where are all the people that were talking up Norwood last week???
ßlue Meanie
Footballguy
lol
just like taylor is the "starter" in jax.
norwood will have the better season.
just like taylor is the "starter" in jax.
norwood will have the better season.
switz
Footballguy
ßlue Meanie
Footballguy
most adp is round 5+ that i have seen.People were drafting Norwood in the 3 and 4 round?????That's C-R-A-Z-Y.
duaneok66
Footballguy
that's really not saying much . . .
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
he went round 3 in my phenoms league; and phenoms is full of fbg folks.most adp is round 5+ that i have seen.People were drafting Norwood in the 3 and 4 round?????That's C-R-A-Z-Y.
ßlue Meanie
Footballguy
what does being full of fbg folks mean? is he overrated in the draft dominator?he went round 3 in my phenoms league; and phenoms is full of fbg folks.most adp is round 5+ that i have seen.People were drafting Norwood in the 3 and 4 round?????
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Every Tom, ****, and Harry was bragging about stealing Norwood as their RB2 in the 4th round in a lt of drafts. In my FIX league which includes folks like David Yudkin, Norwood went at 4.07...he went high in most drafts. He did go significantly lower however in my local blue collar leagues.what does being full of fbg folks mean? is he overrated in the draft dominator?he went round 3 in my phenoms league; and phenoms is full of fbg folks.most adp is round 5+ that i have seen.People were drafting Norwood in the 3 and 4 round?????That's C-R-A-Z-Y.
ßlue Meanie
Footballguy
adp for norwood in wcoff satellites is 6.07.
apparently FBG staff overpaid for him.
but in general he goes lower.
apparently FBG staff overpaid for him.
but in general he goes lower.
BaBastage
Footballguy
Completely Agree. I took him (Norwood) at 11.3 as my RB4... I don't need him to do much for it to be a good pick.People were drafting Norwood in the 3 and 4 round?????
ßlue Meanie
Footballguy
IB "i want to be in your league".Completely Agree. I took him (Norwood) at 11.3 as my RB4... I don't need him to do much for it to be a good pick.People were drafting Norwood in the 3 and 4 round?????
BaBastage
Footballguy
lol. It was the only "Steal" of any player greater than about 4 rounds from FBG ADP... I play with mostly sharp guys, and I'm still not sure why he fell so low.IB "i want to be in your league".Completely Agree. I took him (Norwood) at 11.3 as my RB4... I don't need him to do much for it to be a good pick.People were drafting Norwood in the 3 and 4 round?????
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
I don't think it matters who starts this week. Neither are good plays against the Vikings run defense.
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
congrats! i think occassionally, when a player is around below where expected to go, he can get overlooked because it is assumed he's gone, and he keeps falling.
I don't think this is a big deal. It's a rbbc. Let's see who has better stats at the end of the game.
Traders2001
Footballguy
Of course .
The Norwood pimpers can all quiet down now , if he cant beat out a injured and old Warrick Dunn he will never be the starter .
Next season they will get their RB of the future ( Michael Turner ).
The Norwood pimpers can all quiet down now , if he cant beat out a injured and old Warrick Dunn he will never be the starter .
Next season they will get their RB of the future ( Michael Turner ).
Traders2001
Footballguy
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
This works out just as expected. Dunn gets the start out of respect for being the veteran. Only problem is that he plays the stingy MIN D and is shut down. This leads to the emergence of Norwood who takes over for the rest of the year carrying his owners to the fantasy championship land.
LETS GO "Chicken Legs"!!!
LETS GO "Chicken Legs"!!!
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Every Tom, ****, and Harry was bragging about stealing Norwood as their RB2 in the 4th round in a lt of drafts. In my FIX league which includes folks like David Yudkin, Norwood went at 4.07...he went high in most drafts. He did go significantly lower however in my local blue collar leagues.what does being full of fbg folks mean? is he overrated in the draft dominator?he went round 3 in my phenoms league; and phenoms is full of fbg folks.most adp is round 5+ that i have seen.People were drafting Norwood in the 3 and 4 round?????
4.8 actually. And I was happy to take him there. I'm high on him this year. But I'm not losing any sleep because he isn't the "starter". In fact, that league is a PPR Best Ball league so he makes a lot more sense going there. I feel pretty sure that between him, Foster and Leon Washington I'll get some good RB2 numbers without having to figure out who to start.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Hey, I didn't draft him in the 4th round.But since we are on the subject, I suspect Norwood will have an increased role as the season progresses and Dunn to start losing some touches. I do have Norwood in two other leagues, but I took him in the 6th and in the 7th. His schedule in weeks 14-16 is NO, TB, and ARI. By that time he may have earned a big enough workload that he may put up RB2 numbers.IMO Norwood is a great guy to roster for potential returns later in the year. He probably won't be worth having early on (as most people should have better healthy options to start the season). But come December when other fantasy RB get nicked up and there are weak options on the waiver wire, Norwood could help solidify your fantasy backfield and provide some depth.Also, by then the Falcons should have figured out how to play offense without Vick. Initially I think that may have a negative impact on the ATL running game. Defenses will not have to worry about containing Vick and may be able to dedicate more players to stuffing the RBs.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I wasn't really trying to single you out ConstruxBoy but thanks for postingEvery Tom, ****, and Harry was bragging about stealing Norwood as their RB2 in the 4th round in a lt of drafts. In my FIX league which includes folks like David Yudkin, Norwood went at 4.07...he went high in most drafts. He did go significantly lower however in my local blue collar leagues.what does being full of fbg folks mean? is he overrated in the draft dominator?he went round 3 in my phenoms league; and phenoms is full of fbg folks.most adp is round 5+ that i have seen.People were drafting Norwood in the 3 and 4 round?????
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
I wasn't in the Norwood pimping camp. Anyone who has played FF over the last 5 years knows not to underestimate Dunn. He's a workhorse of an all-around back, and despite age and injury, is still a credible threat every time he lines up.
But Vick not being behind center changes this offence's dynamic nature enough such that Norwood can be an incredibly productive back this season even in an RBBC.
While Dunn still makes defenses respect the run on every down, a lot of Dunn's ability in the pass-catching phase of the game was exploited as opposing teams cheated up to keep Vick in the pocket. This opened up Dunn's ability to take a dump or screen and exploit a seam downfield. Harrington is just not that kind of athletic QB, and I suspect the Falcons are going to have to rely on Dunn to block just a little more (another thing Dunn is solid at doing) and take on a little more between the tackles/north-south running plays.
As the game -- and the season -- wears on, Dunn will take more of a beating than he did with Vick being a distraction behind center. Even with Dunn staying healthy, Norwood provides a great change-up in pace. As we saw last year, there were some instances where he had one opening, or was able to turn a corner...and the only way to keep up with him was with a stainless steel car with flux capacitor.
I think both of these backs are undervalued this year -- the entire offence will depend on a healthy running game. Dunn will get his, as he does every year, but I think we will see Norwood shine in the second quarter on throughout the season, with many more home run highlights to arm the pimps.
But Vick not being behind center changes this offence's dynamic nature enough such that Norwood can be an incredibly productive back this season even in an RBBC.
While Dunn still makes defenses respect the run on every down, a lot of Dunn's ability in the pass-catching phase of the game was exploited as opposing teams cheated up to keep Vick in the pocket. This opened up Dunn's ability to take a dump or screen and exploit a seam downfield. Harrington is just not that kind of athletic QB, and I suspect the Falcons are going to have to rely on Dunn to block just a little more (another thing Dunn is solid at doing) and take on a little more between the tackles/north-south running plays.
As the game -- and the season -- wears on, Dunn will take more of a beating than he did with Vick being a distraction behind center. Even with Dunn staying healthy, Norwood provides a great change-up in pace. As we saw last year, there were some instances where he had one opening, or was able to turn a corner...and the only way to keep up with him was with a stainless steel car with flux capacitor.
I think both of these backs are undervalued this year -- the entire offence will depend on a healthy running game. Dunn will get his, as he does every year, but I think we will see Norwood shine in the second quarter on throughout the season, with many more home run highlights to arm the pimps.
Boone22
Footballguy
September 6, 2007, 01:03
Falcons :: RB
Falcons Considering RB Pinner As Short Yardage, Goal Line RB
Judd Zulgad, Minneapolis Star Tribune - [Full Article]
Atlanta Falcons head coach Bobby Petrino said during an interview on Wednesday that RB Artose Pinner could serve as the team's short yardage and goal line running back in the weeks to come. "Obviously [we liked] his physicalness, his ability to run the ball downhill," Petrino said. "We're looking for a back who can help us in short-yardage, goal-line situations. Someone who is more physical than the two that we have carrying the ball for us right now. I liked his explosiveness."
Falcons :: RB
Falcons Considering RB Pinner As Short Yardage, Goal Line RB
Judd Zulgad, Minneapolis Star Tribune - [Full Article]
Atlanta Falcons head coach Bobby Petrino said during an interview on Wednesday that RB Artose Pinner could serve as the team's short yardage and goal line running back in the weeks to come. "Obviously [we liked] his physicalness, his ability to run the ball downhill," Petrino said. "We're looking for a back who can help us in short-yardage, goal-line situations. Someone who is more physical than the two that we have carrying the ball for us right now. I liked his explosiveness."
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
Great Point.... Hopefully if your a Norwood owner; hes your #3.I have no choice in one of my leagues... hopefully he'll get a couple of dumpoffs
Raiders Fan
The Black Hole
Dude you have no clue... For one there was no competition.. Where was there a report it was??? 2nd this isn't a 1 week showdown. I still feel Norwood will have better stats at the end of the year then Dunn. I rather Dunn start now.. More chances for him to get hurt and he will be missing some time.. I want Norwood for bye weeks. I can see him having value then.. Now the Turner speculation is just that. Why pay for something you have already??? Guess you think Norwood is nothing..
Sleeper 43
Footballguy
Yeah I guess since Marion Barber never "beat out" Julius so hes a bust too.MJD didn't manage to "take" the job from Fred Taylor despite a great year.Steven Jackson couldn't "beat out" Faulk. Should we have moved on there too?Norwood may not be ready in Petrino's book which is fine but, hes got alot larger future with ATL than Dunn.
switz
Footballguy
Actually Petrino is totally in LOVE with Norwood's abilities...Dunn is the starter because he's the veteran and a team leader. Same reason MJD is NOT going to start ahead of Taylor.Sleeper 43 said:
Difference between the two? People were grabbing MJD like he was going to be a #1 RB, while he has a much more productive runner than Dunn in front of him. Additionally, Dunn had offseason back surgery.
Either way, Norwood will see the field quite a bit.
Petrino sure showed some love yesterday
How does the guy getting 10+ yard runs get 5 carries!?!? Especially when Dunn is getting no yards on 22 carries!Norwood even converted a short yardage first down. I am very interested to find out Petrino's reasoning behind that distribution.
Yes, yes, I know, only the first game. I'm still dumbfounded.
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Bristol
Footballguy
Petrino sure showed some love yesterdayHow does the guy getting 10+ yard runs get 5 carries!?!? Especially when Dunn is getting no yards on 22 carries!
Norwood even converted a short yardage first down. I am very interested to find out Petrino's reasoning behind that distribution.
Yes, yes, I know, only the first game. I'm still dumbfounded.
haha I know, I won going away yesterday, I just want my boy Jerious to get some love!Petrino sure showed some love yesterday
Norwood even converted a short yardage first down. I am very interested to find out Petrino's reasoning behind that distribution.
Yes, yes, I know, only the first game. I'm still dumbfounded.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
Norwood has to get the ball more.. Dunn did nothing
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switz
Footballguy
Norwood was not 100% healthy.
