Dwayne Bowe, WR, Kansas City Chiefs (1 Viewer)

[Jason Wood]

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[PitbullTD]

Should Bowe stay out of the doghouse and start all 16 games my projections are as follows:

80 REC

1120 YDS

14 YDS/REC

8 TD

Im hoping a full offseason of concentrating on timing and chemistry with Cassel will do him well. I don't believe we've seen Bowe's ceiling yet.

 

[D'OHtis]

55 - 730 - 5 TD

2011 he'll start going where he should be going in dynasty drafts. I think we've seen his best days.

 

[PitbullTD]

55 - 730 - 5 TD2011 he'll start going where he should be going in dynasty drafts. I think we've seen his best days.

You think his ceiling was with Thigpen throwing him the rock? I just cant grasp that. But will eat my words if its true.I don't think Cassel is any Manning or Brees but hes a man above Thigpen IMO

 

[az_prof]

I think his early production was drug enhanced and I think he tails off from even last year. Plus, I think McCluster eats into his looks significantly. The fact that an aged Chambers outplayed him at the end of last season is not a good sign.

60 receptions, 12.8 ypc (his career avg) for 768 yards, 6 Tds.

 

[PitbullTD]

I think his early production was drug enhanced and I think he tails off from even last year. Plus, I think McCluster eats into his looks significantly. The fact that an aged Chambers outplayed him at the end of last season is not a good sign.60 receptions, 12.8 ypc (his career avg) for 768 yards, 6 Tds.

Diuretics enhance production? I know he was suspended for 4 games at the end of the season last year, but he was also in Haley's doghouse for most of the beginning of the season last year. I was at a couple games in the beginning of the season where he spent most of his time peddling on a stationary bike, this was before Chambers came to town. I think last season was an absolute fluke. And not an indication at all of Bowe's production floor or ceiling playing all year long.

 

[az_prof]

I think his early production was drug enhanced and I think he tails off from even last year. Plus, I think McCluster eats into his looks significantly. The fact that an aged Chambers outplayed him at the end of last season is not a good sign.60 receptions, 12.8 ypc (his career avg) for 768 yards, 6 Tds.

Diuretics enhance production?

If you want to live in lala land, so be it. But there is a reason guys takes diuretics: they mask performance enhancement drugs. That's why diuretics are against the rules. It could be that Bowe just has a horrible problem keeping fit and he isn't that smart: but if that's the case, then you have a whole different concern. I suspect he knew that diuretics were banned by the NFL and took them to cover up his PEDs. Since players know when they are going to be tested, to get caught, you have to be really using heavily. Plus, look at Bowe's body and tell me that you think he is 100% grade A natural. He looks like David Boston to me...and I expect a similar decline.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

I think his early production was drug enhanced and I think he tails off from even last year. Plus, I think McCluster eats into his looks significantly. The fact that an aged Chambers outplayed him at the end of last season is not a good sign.60 receptions, 12.8 ypc (his career avg) for 768 yards, 6 Tds.

Diuretics enhance production?

If you want to live in lala land, so be it. But there is a reason guys takes diuretics: they mask performance enhancement drugs. That's why diuretics are against the rules. It could be that Bowe just has a horrible problem keeping fit and he isn't that smart: but if that's the case, then you have a whole different concern. I suspect he knew that diuretics were banned by the NFL and took them to cover up his PEDs. Since players know when they are going to be tested, to get caught, you have to be really using heavily. Plus, look at Bowe's body and tell me that you think he is 100% grade A natural. He looks like David Boston to me...and I expect a similar decline.

I saw the same type of decline. If he is off the juice, I think he's going no longer the star of his rookie season. I don't know if this matters or not, but I noticed that Bowe did well when T. Gonzales was going over the middle and taking the scrum with him. As soon as the Chiefs lacked a TE threat, Bowe became very ordinary. I'm not too sold on Cassell either, regardless of what people thought of Thigpen. I think 45/590/3 for him.

 

[SoopaCee]

i agree that chambers outplayed him in the last 3 games.....but Bowe did have 10 more targets in those said games

and Bowe blew him away stat wise before his suspension

 

[finito]

i agree that chambers outplayed him in the last 3 games.....but Bowe did have 10 more targets in those said gamesand Bowe blew him away stat wise before his suspension

Chambers' 1st game as a Chief was week 9 and he outproduced Bowe with 2 TDs. Week 10 Bowe had 6 for 91 and Chambers 3 for 60, advantage Bowe. Bowe was suspended week 11. Not sure about Bowe blowing him away stat-wise unless you're counting Chambers' numbers while he was still on San Diego, which I wouldn't.

 

[DesmondBishop]

I think Bowe is out of the doghouse and back in the penthouse - 85/1150/10 He was averaging 10 targets a game IN the doghouse, if he gets 10 a game that puts him in the 160 area which will be top 5 or so and a great season.

 

[doowain]

I think Bowe is out of the doghouse and back in the penthouse - 85/1150/10 He was averaging 10 targets a game IN the doghouse, if he gets 10 a game that puts him in the 160 area which will be top 5 or so and a great season.

That's exactly my thoughts on Bowe. He is absolutely a target monster. If he can get his catch % up (which I don't see why he shouldn't given a full offseason on the 1st team with Cassel), he should EASILY be a 1000 yard WR. He's currently going in the early 4th in most startups around guys like Kenny Britt and Jeremy Maclin. IMO, Bowe is still a top notch talent with Top 5 potential. I don't think the guys being drafted near his ADP have that.I also love the Haley/Weis combo for his FF prospects (assuming he's fully out of the doghouse).Floor70/1000/6Ceiling90/1275/10

 

[gehazi]

As I remember it, Bowe showed up overweight and that his weight has been a problem consistently, and weight loss is one of the primary purposes diuretics are sold in the first place. It makes no sense to me then that he's using PED's if he's lazy. But something that might help him make weight without having to workout does. That said, I will gamble on the fact that he is working out with Cassel and trying to get better. I think the talent is real.

I will put him down for 90/1170/9 with a ceiling a bit higher than that. Chiefs have a soft schedule and I like the coaching staff/young talent. I think they score more even if they don't win a whole lot more.

 

[frogpond11]

As an LSU fan, I watched Dwayne Bowe play his entire college career before the NFL...so I know the guy has really great talent. I'm in the camp that feels last year was a fluke and that he'll put up better numbers than where he is being drafted for 2010. I'm not great with projections, but this is about what I would project:

Floor = 65 catches for 900 yards and 6 TDs

Ceiling = 95 catches for 1300 yards and 11 TDs

Somewhere in the middle of that is probably the most likely...something like: 75-80 catches, 1100 yards, 8 TDs

 

[PitbullTD]

As I remember it, Bowe showed up overweight and that his weight has been a problem consistently, and weight loss is one of the primary purposes diuretics are sold in the first place. It makes no sense to me then that he's using PED's if he's lazy. But something that might help him make weight without having to workout does. That said, I will gamble on the fact that he is working out with Cassel and trying to get better. I think the talent is real.

This is how I remember it as well.

 

[Bird]

Typically, I am willing to give a mulligan to receivers playing their first year in a new system. However, Chambers' success with KC after being traded makes me leery of Bowe. If Chambers can come in mid-season and pick up the offense then Bowe should have performed better from the start of training camp. Instead, he seemed to always be in Haley's doghouse and sometimes relegated to third string on the depth chart. It seems he was not willing to put in the work to learn the new system and I don't know if he ever will. That being said, he is still the most talented receiver on the roster. KC will still need to throw the ball and Bowe should get his targets so he will still be a viable fantasy option.

Projection: 74/925/6 for a PPR ranking of WR21.

 

[Jason Wood]

Great stuff so far guys, and it's AWESOME seeing so many new faces contributing.

My initial projections for Bowe are as follows:

http://subscribers.footballguys.com/players/BoweDw00-1.php

78 receptions

975 yards (12.5 YPR)

6 TDs

I'm currently the highest on Bowe:

Bob Henry = 70/886/6

Maurile Tremblay = 49/600/4

...but it's interesting to note that none of us view Bowe as likely to rebound back into the fantasy elite level in 2010.

For me, I'm less concerned about Bowe's PED suspension (although certainly it's a risk) and more focused on the fact I'm not a believer in Matt Cassel. To be clear, I think Charlie Weis will work wonders for that team, but I think they're going to win games by minimizing Cassel's role as much as possible. I'm not sure their defense will allow them to play ball control to the extent they want to, but I still think Weis will rely on Charles/Jones quite a bit, and Cassel will make his money dumping off a lot of passes to people including McCluster, Charles, Moeaki, Pope, Urban.

Would I be shocked if Bowe regains his status as an elite wideout? No. Am I counting on it? No.

 

[gehazi]

Great stuff so far guys, and it's AWESOME seeing so many new faces contributing.

My initial projections for Bowe are as follows:

http://subscribers.footballguys.com/players/BoweDw00-1.php

78 receptions

975 yards (12.5 YPR)

6 TDs

I'm currently the highest on Bowe:

Bob Henry = 70/886/6

Maurile Tremblay = 49/600/4

...but it's interesting to note that none of us view Bowe as likely to rebound back into the fantasy elite level in 2010.

For me, I'm less concerned about Bowe's PED suspension (although certainly it's a risk) and more focused on the fact I'm not a believer in Matt Cassel. To be clear, I think Charlie Weis will work wonders for that team, but I think they're going to win games by minimizing Cassel's role as much as possible. I'm not sure their defense will allow them to play ball control to the extent they want to, but I still think Weis will rely on Charles/Jones quite a bit, and Cassel will make his money dumping off a lot of passes to people including McCluster, Charles, Moeaki, Pope, Urban.

Would I be shocked if Bowe regains his status as an elite wideout? No. Am I counting on it? No.

Probably not the right place to ask, so forgive me. But didn't McDaniels succeed Weis in NE? And weren't the two systems about the same? If so don't you think Weis can get as much out of Cassel as McDaniels did? Not saying he was an elite QB, but he did seem to perform pretty well by seasons end in that offense. And Weis has had some success coaching QB's in his own right. Shouldn't all of this help Cassel/KC improve quite a bit?

 

[Jason Wood]

Great stuff so far guys, and it's AWESOME seeing so many new faces contributing.

My initial projections for Bowe are as follows:

http://subscribers.footballguys.com/players/BoweDw00-1.php

78 receptions

975 yards (12.5 YPR)

6 TDs

I'm currently the highest on Bowe:

Bob Henry = 70/886/6

Maurile Tremblay = 49/600/4

...but it's interesting to note that none of us view Bowe as likely to rebound back into the fantasy elite level in 2010.

For me, I'm less concerned about Bowe's PED suspension (although certainly it's a risk) and more focused on the fact I'm not a believer in Matt Cassel. To be clear, I think Charlie Weis will work wonders for that team, but I think they're going to win games by minimizing Cassel's role as much as possible. I'm not sure their defense will allow them to play ball control to the extent they want to, but I still think Weis will rely on Charles/Jones quite a bit, and Cassel will make his money dumping off a lot of passes to people including McCluster, Charles, Moeaki, Pope, Urban.

Would I be shocked if Bowe regains his status as an elite wideout? No. Am I counting on it? No.

Probably not the right place to ask, so forgive me. But didn't McDaniels succeed Weis in NE? And weren't the two systems about the same? If so don't you think Weis can get as much out of Cassel as McDaniels did? Not saying he was an elite QB, but he did seem to perform pretty well by seasons end in that offense. And Weis has had some success coaching QB's in his own right. Shouldn't all of this help Cassel/KC improve quite a bit?

A great question to be sure.I am optimistic that, over time, Weis can build an offensive powerhouse but that presumes two very important things.

1) His GM gives him the talent required

2) He has a QB that can execute at an elite level

Your point about Cassel is fair, but I think we have to look at what he did in NE as very much a mixed bag. For as impressive as his headline numbers were, you have to recognize them as a SIGNIFICANT regression from the prior season when Brady was executing the same system with the same players. Absent a healthy Moss/Welker, and playing behind that seasoned offense line, I just don't think Cassel is much better than a replacement level QB.

So even though I'm forecasting an improvement in KC's offense, I'm not currently forecasting a massive leap forward. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see KC drafting one of the three elite college QBs very high next year after realizing Cassel isn't the guy to take them where they want to be.

 

[The Jacket]

I don't believe we've seen Bowe's ceiling yet.

I agree, but I don't think we ever will with Cassel at QB. Bowe has the ability to catch balls all over the field but is not really used that way in KC. If he was on a host of other teams, I think he's in the Pro Bowl. As is, I'd go:67 rec.865 yards7 TD

 

[HULLOBUDMAN]

Great stuff so far guys, and it's AWESOME seeing so many new faces contributing.

My initial projections for Bowe are as follows:

http://subscribers.footballguys.com/players/BoweDw00-1.php

78 receptions

975 yards (12.5 YPR)

6 TDs

I'm currently the highest on Bowe:

Bob Henry = 70/886/6

Maurile Tremblay = 49/600/4

...but it's interesting to note that none of us view Bowe as likely to rebound back into the fantasy elite level in 2010.

For me, I'm less concerned about Bowe's PED suspension (although certainly it's a risk) and more focused on the fact I'm not a believer in Matt Cassel. To be clear, I think Charlie Weis will work wonders for that team, but I think they're going to win games by minimizing Cassel's role as much as possible. I'm not sure their defense will allow them to play ball control to the extent they want to, but I still think Weis will rely on Charles/Jones quite a bit, and Cassel will make his money dumping off a lot of passes to people including McCluster, Charles, Moeaki, Pope, Urban.

Would I be shocked if Bowe regains his status as an elite wideout? No. Am I counting on it? No.

Probably not the right place to ask, so forgive me. But didn't McDaniels succeed Weis in NE? And weren't the two systems about the same? If so don't you think Weis can get as much out of Cassel as McDaniels did? Not saying he was an elite QB, but he did seem to perform pretty well by seasons end in that offense. And Weis has had some success coaching QB's in his own right. Shouldn't all of this help Cassel/KC improve quite a bit?

A great question to be sure.I am optimistic that, over time, Weis can build an offensive powerhouse but that presumes two very important things.

1) His GM gives him the talent required

2) He has a QB that can execute at an elite level

Your point about Cassel is fair, but I think we have to look at what he did in NE as very much a mixed bag. For as impressive as his headline numbers were, you have to recognize them as a SIGNIFICANT regression from the prior season when Brady was executing the same system with the same players. Absent a healthy Moss/Welker, and playing behind that seasoned offense line, I just don't think Cassel is much better than a replacement level QB.

So even though I'm forecasting an improvement in KC's offense, I'm not currently forecasting a massive leap forward. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see KC drafting one of the three elite college QBs very high next year after realizing Cassel isn't the guy to take them where they want to be.

I am not saying that Cassel is the same QB as Brady but look at 2008 Cassel vs 2009 Brady instead of using the record setting year before the league had an offseason to study the system. Sorry about the formatting:Brady vs Cassel

Yards 4398 3946

Att 565 516

YPA 7.7 7.6

Comp% 65.7 63.5

TD 28 21

INT 13 11

I understand that Brady did not have Welker for a full year but Cassel also had the reigns pulled pretty tight the first 2 games and didn't have the whole preseason to work with the first team. Again, as a Chiefs fan I am not sure that Cassel is the answer but his numbers were not as bad you you seem to make them out. Looking back I am sure you could look at almost any QB and their numbers will not compare favorably to Brady's 2007 season. I don't think that will be the best barometer of Cassel's value.

 

[vandyt]

Great stuff so far guys, and it's AWESOME seeing so many new faces contributing.

My initial projections for Bowe are as follows:

http://subscribers.footballguys.com/players/BoweDw00-1.php

78 receptions

975 yards (12.5 YPR)

6 TDs

I'm currently the highest on Bowe:

Bob Henry = 70/886/6

Maurile Tremblay = 49/600/4

...but it's interesting to note that none of us view Bowe as likely to rebound back into the fantasy elite level in 2010.

For me, I'm less concerned about Bowe's PED suspension (although certainly it's a risk) and more focused on the fact I'm not a believer in Matt Cassel. To be clear, I think Charlie Weis will work wonders for that team, but I think they're going to win games by minimizing Cassel's role as much as possible. I'm not sure their defense will allow them to play ball control to the extent they want to, but I still think Weis will rely on Charles/Jones quite a bit, and Cassel will make his money dumping off a lot of passes to people including McCluster, Charles, Moeaki, Pope, Urban.

Would I be shocked if Bowe regains his status as an elite wideout? No. Am I counting on it? No.

Probably not the right place to ask, so forgive me. But didn't McDaniels succeed Weis in NE? And weren't the two systems about the same? If so don't you think Weis can get as much out of Cassel as McDaniels did? Not saying he was an elite QB, but he did seem to perform pretty well by seasons end in that offense. And Weis has had some success coaching QB's in his own right. Shouldn't all of this help Cassel/KC improve quite a bit?

A great question to be sure.I am optimistic that, over time, Weis can build an offensive powerhouse but that presumes two very important things.

1) His GM gives him the talent required

2) He has a QB that can execute at an elite level

Your point about Cassel is fair, but I think we have to look at what he did in NE as very much a mixed bag. For as impressive as his headline numbers were, you have to recognize them as a SIGNIFICANT regression from the prior season when Brady was executing the same system with the same players. Absent a healthy Moss/Welker, and playing behind that seasoned offense line, I just don't think Cassel is much better than a replacement level QB.

So even though I'm forecasting an improvement in KC's offense, I'm not currently forecasting a massive leap forward. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see KC drafting one of the three elite college QBs very high next year after realizing Cassel isn't the guy to take them where they want to be.

I am not saying that Cassel is the same QB as Brady but look at 2008 Cassel vs 2009 Brady instead of using the record setting year before the league had an offseason to study the system. Sorry about the formatting:Brady vs Cassel

Yards 4398 3946

Att 565 516

YPA 7.7 7.6

Comp% 65.7 63.5

TD 28 21

INT 13 11

SACKS 16 47

I understand that Brady did not have Welker for a full year but Cassel also had the reigns pulled pretty tight the first 2 games and didn't have the whole preseason to work with the first team. Again, as a Chiefs fan I am not sure that Cassel is the answer but his numbers were not as bad you you seem to make them out. Looking back I am sure you could look at almost any QB and their numbers will not compare favorably to Brady's 2007 season. I don't think that will be the best barometer of Cassel's value.

 

[SoopaCee]

i cant stress targets enough.....like we mentioned, if you avg like 10+ targets a game, its a no brainer

he reminds me of steve smith(car).....crappy qb who always tried to force the ball to him, which is a good thing and a bad thing

the only difference is Car. ground game is 100X better, so they never really got blown out or were out of games alot

in my league, if i can get Bowe as my #2 i would be happy, even more happy as a #3, he would be perfect for spot play or if an injury occured to one of my starters

 

[Tanner9919]

I think his early production was drug enhanced and I think he tails off from even last year. Plus, I think McCluster eats into his looks significantly. The fact that an aged Chambers outplayed him at the end of last season is not a good sign.60 receptions, 12.8 ypc (his career avg) for 768 yards, 6 Tds.

I'm in the corner of the ring that says Bowe is a bust relative to ADP..eventually,at some point, 'potential' is just another way of saying 'never having done it.'Bowe is loaded with 'potential'...We've just never seen him get over the hump,for what ever reason...I doubt he ever does.

 

[doowain]

I think his early production was drug enhanced and I think he tails off from even last year. Plus, I think McCluster eats into his looks significantly. The fact that an aged Chambers outplayed him at the end of last season is not a good sign.60 receptions, 12.8 ypc (his career avg) for 768 yards, 6 Tds.

I'm in the corner of the ring that says Bowe is a bust relative to ADP..eventually,at some point, 'potential' is just another way of saying 'never having done it.'Bowe is loaded with 'potential'...We've just never seen him get over the hump,for what ever reason...I doubt he ever does.

He was a 1000 yard WR his first two years in the league (yes, I know he had 990+ in his rookie year). Last year was a lost year with the suspension and new regime in KC. I think it's a bit too early to write him off as busted potential. That is just plain silly. We're not talking about a 29 year old WR here. He's 25 for crying out loud. He was a top talent coming out of college and produced very well on extremely poor teams his first two years. The team has gotten better since then, so unless you are calling his first two years the aberration instead of last year, I don't see how anyone should expect anything less than what he put up his rookie year. You do realize he put up 995 yards that year with Damon Huard/Brodie Croyle throwing ducks all over the field, right? Badmouth Cassel all you want. He's superior to those two.ETA: And curious to how he's a bust relative to his ADP? Currently he's going in the early 4th in most startups around guys like Maclin/Britt. You mean to tell me they have higher ceilings than he does? I love both of those guys, but one is mired on a rushing team with a below average QB and the other is the WR2 (and possibly 3rd option in the passing attack) with a new starting QB. Of those 3 guys, Bowe has the highest ceiling and more realistic Top 5 or Top 10 potential IMO.

 

[Thomsen]

Please remember he only catches about 55% of the balls thrown to him. One of the worst No. 1 WRs in the league. Let's say he gets about 9 targets a game with McCluster taking some away.

5 receptions a game. Through 16 games: 80 rec, times 12, 5 ypc= 1000 yards. So maybe 80 rec, 1000 yards, 6 TDs.

I don't think he'll play that well, more like 70 rec, 900 yards, 5 TDs.

 

[doowain]

Please remember he only catches about 55% of the balls thrown to him. One of the worst No. 1 WRs in the league. Let's say he gets about 9 targets a game with McCluster taking some away. 5 receptions a game. Through 16 games: 80 rec, times 12, 5 ypc= 1000 yards. So maybe 80 rec, 1000 yards, 6 TDs. I don't think he'll play that well, more like 70 rec, 900 yards, 5 TDs.

Does he catch 55% because of his hands or the poor QBs he's had as a pro? I'd say it's probably a bit of both, so if QB play improves, why can't that number rise?

 

[Thomsen]

Please remember he only catches about 55% of the balls thrown to him. One of the worst No. 1 WRs in the league. Let's say he gets about 9 targets a game with McCluster taking some away. 5 receptions a game. Through 16 games: 80 rec, times 12, 5 ypc= 1000 yards. So maybe 80 rec, 1000 yards, 6 TDs. I don't think he'll play that well, more like 70 rec, 900 yards, 5 TDs.

Does he catch 55% because of his hands or the poor QBs he's had as a pro? I'd say it's probably a bit of both, so if QB play improves, why can't that number rise?

So you think Cassell will improve? I guess that could happen, but still it seems to me the dropped balls by Bowe is more a lack of concentration than anything else. It's strange because at LSU he showed great hands, and now he's down to 55%. Maybe he'll be better, but I wouldn't count on it. He does have a pretty high ceiling though.

 

[doowain]

Please remember he only catches about 55% of the balls thrown to him. One of the worst No. 1 WRs in the league. Let's say he gets about 9 targets a game with McCluster taking some away. 5 receptions a game. Through 16 games: 80 rec, times 12, 5 ypc= 1000 yards. So maybe 80 rec, 1000 yards, 6 TDs. I don't think he'll play that well, more like 70 rec, 900 yards, 5 TDs.

Does he catch 55% because of his hands or the poor QBs he's had as a pro? I'd say it's probably a bit of both, so if QB play improves, why can't that number rise?

So you think Cassell will improve? I guess that could happen, but still it seems to me the dropped balls by Bowe is more a lack of concentration than anything else. It's strange because at LSU he showed great hands, and now he's down to 55%. Maybe he'll be better, but I wouldn't count on it. He does have a pretty high ceiling though.

Sure....why won't he? Only one way to go and that's up.Again, I don't think the Cassel factor flies here considering Bowe has been a 1000 yard WR with Brodie Croyle/Damon Huard/Tyler Thigpen. Cassel is an upgrade from those guys, no matter how bad he is. On top of that, the offense should/will be better than it was with the previous regime.Some of the staff here predicting a 600 yard season for him? Unless you are predicting injury or suspension, you really think he averages less than 40 yards a game? Really?

 

[HULLOBUDMAN]

SACKS 16 47

I will not contest the fact that Cassel holds the ball too long on occasion. FYI Tom Brady took 41 sacks in 413 attempts his first full year as a starter.

 

[Thomsen]

Bowe continues to drop the ball in camp, this from Kent Babb via Twitter:

Dwayne Bowe keeps making mistake after mistake. He's not off to a good start to what I think is a make-or-break yr with him and the Chiefs.

 

[SoopaCee]

Bowe continues to drop the ball in camp, this from Kent Babb via Twitterwayne Bowe keeps making mistake after mistake. He's not off to a good start to what I think is a make-or-break yr with him and the Chiefs.

thanx for the update, twitter is the secret for winning FF championships, people just dont know

 

[rzrback77]

Kansas City did not have a prolific offense in 09. Cassel completed only 55% of his passes and averaged only 5.9 yards per attempt. Dwayne Bowe had his worst season (he missed four games by suspension) with only 47 catches on 87 targets (54.0% career worst). Yet in the eleven games that he played, he was still the leading targeted player with 7.9 targets per game.

The Chiefs have had some major changes in the off-season adding Charlie Weis, WR/RB Dexter McCluster, RB Thomas Jones and TE Tony Moeaki. I look for all the new comers to be involved more in the offense and expectations are much higher than a year ago.

The biggest question for Dwayne Bowe will be whether he keeps his primary role. Over his career he has been frequently targeted, from a low of 7.3 per game as a rookie, to 9.6 in 08 and 7.9 last season. Will he keep that role or will the newcomers take up some of his share?

I think that the Chiefs will develop a role for the small, but tough running McCluster who played WR early at Ole Miss and then predominantly played RB as a senion. He could be sensational in the slot and I think that he has natural instincts for running routes. Chambers worked well as the leading WR when Bowe was out and I think that he maintains his level of involvement. The Chiefs have had little impact from the TE position since Gonzo left and Moeaki could see more activity there than has been recently.

I think that the offense will have to improve on last year significantly for Bowe to return to prominence. I think that they will improve, but not significantly enough for him to rise back up.

Dwayne Bowe 16 gms 120 targets 65 catches 54.2% 845 yards 13.0 ypc and 5 TDs

 

[Willie Mays Hayes]

To everyone in this thread:

Take whatever projections you have for all your Chiefs and increase your projections by 25%

...This just in: Charlie Weis has "a schematic advantage"; NFL defenses have been watching tape of Notre Dame in the offseason to prepare to stop the unstoppable!

 

[TS Garp]

He does still have upside and a ton of talent, but there are so many red flags here, and if the Chiefs are out of it early in the season, and Bowe is still a distraction, I think you'll see them phase him out and focus on developing guys like McCluster for the future. Is there a chance that Bowe puts it together again and gets back on track to being an elite WR? Sure, but I think there's just as good of a chance that he's not on the field for one reason or another by the 10th game. I won't own him this year.

69 receptions, 830 yards, 5 td's.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I think Bowe is out of the doghouse and back in the penthouse - 85/1150/10 He was averaging 10 targets a game IN the doghouse, if he gets 10 a game that puts him in the 160 area which will be top 5 or so and a great season.

That's exactly my thoughts on Bowe. He is absolutely a target monster. If he can get his catch % up (which I don't see why he shouldn't given a full offseason on the 1st team with Cassel), he should EASILY be a 1000 yard WR. He's currently going in the early 4th in most startups around guys like Kenny Britt and Jeremy Maclin. IMO, Bowe is still a top notch talent with Top 5 potential. I don't think the guys being drafted near his ADP have that.I also love the Haley/Weis combo for his FF prospects (assuming he's fully out of the doghouse).Floor70/1000/6Ceiling90/1275/10

I appreciate these floor/ceiling projections. It gives a better view of how the poster feels about a player.

 

[baconisgood]

I think his early production was drug enhanced and I think he tails off from even last year. Plus, I think McCluster eats into his looks significantly. The fact that an aged Chambers outplayed him at the end of last season is not a good sign.60 receptions, 12.8 ypc (his career avg) for 768 yards, 6 Tds.

Diuretics enhance production?

If you want to live in lala land, so be it. But there is a reason guys takes diuretics: they mask performance enhancement drugs. That's why diuretics are against the rules. It could be that Bowe just has a horrible problem keeping fit and he isn't that smart: but if that's the case, then you have a whole different concern. I suspect he knew that diuretics were banned by the NFL and took them to cover up his PEDs. Since players know when they are going to be tested, to get caught, you have to be really using heavily. Plus, look at Bowe's body and tell me that you think he is 100% grade A natural. He looks like David Boston to me...and I expect a similar decline.

I don't know how much you can attribute Boston's decline to PEDs. After his monster year he was banged up (iirc) @ age 24 andplayed in 8 games (on pace for 1,000 yards but only 1 td in those games) he went to an atrocious SD team and had 900/7 in 14 games which is clearly decent and he had a 41 year old Flutie and a struggling Brees throwing to him on a 4-12 team. After that he tore his knee up in back 2 back seasons with Miami and was out of the league- he was suspended for roids in Miami and he only played 4 games after the suspension- all of which were coming back from his first knee reconstruction. His 23 year old season looks pretty fluky- I wonder how many targets he had that year- but I don't that PEDs should get top billing among his problems when he clearly also had locker room issues and injury issues.

 

[rascal]

I think he bounces back, but not enough to warrant WR22 status.

 

[Franknbeans]

From the Training Camp thread...

The standout during the first two days of camp was clearly Dwayne Bowe, according to Kent Babb. During the first day of practice, Babb reported that Bowe made several difficult catches, including a diving catch on a well-covered route and another catch following an adjustment mid-air against CB Brandon Flowers in coverage. He picked up where he left off during Saturday’s two practice sessions making several more tough catches while running excellent routes.

The only time he incurred the wrath of Haley was after he ran a crisp route, to get past Brandon Carr to make the catch and pose for fans. Haley yelled at Bowe to “hustle back” to the huddle. “It’s carrying over from OTAs and minicamp,” cornerback Brandon Flowers said of Bowe. “He came in in OTAs and minicamp and dropped his weight, got in well-conditioned shape. He’s stepping up to a whole other level. He’s definitely like a No. 1 receiver out there.” That’s a welcome sign for Bowe. “I’m encouraged with where Dwayne is right now,” Haley said. “I think he’s clearly ahead of where he was last year. He’s fighting to be considered one of the good receivers in the league. I think that’s his goal and his mind-set".

 

[JohnnyU]

Beat writer Kent Babb notes Dwayne Bowe's performance and attitude in Saturday's preseason game against the Buccaneers should be something to look out for.

Should Bowe fail to register a catch for a second straight week, he'll have every right to be frustrated. How Bowe deals with that potential frustration should give us a good idea of how his attitude has changed this offseason. He has the talent to be the focal point of the offense, and all indications are that he's in great shape. It's now just a matter of him bringing it to the field.

Source: Kansas City Star

 

[ProBowler88]

bump for thoughts?

 

[Grahamburn]

WR Dwayne Bowe has turned in the best preseason of his NFL career and has positioned himself for a good season. Bowe began training camp in shape and under his prescribed weight. He's been diligent in extra work on the practice field and as importantly, he has kept his mouth closed and not talked to the media. He caught seven passes for 65 yards and a touchdown in the first three games.

Coach Todd Haley reiterated Sunday that Bowe is having a very strong training camp and preseason, KCChiefs.com reports. Bowe had four catches for 32 yards and a touchdown in Friday's preseason game against the Eagles.

Recommendation: "He's doing all the things that are asked of him, he's working very hard, he's focused and I think that it's showing up and I think that the sky is the limit," Haley said. "There are good signs coming from Dwayne Bowe." Bowe has always had the talent, but his motivation has been questioned at times and he spent much of last year's preseason in Haley's doghouse, so it's refreshing to see the coach continue to praise him. He's going to get plenty of targets as the Chiefs' top receiver and should reemerge as a viable WR2 after a disappointing 2009 campaign.

(Rotowire.com)

Bowe at Larry Fitzgerald's WR camp

Dwayne Bowe went to Larry Fitzgerald's camp for NFL players this week. Former NFL stars Cris Carter and Michael Irvin were there to provide some "tough love" for Bowe (and the Chiefs knew he would be there).

This is a video with some of the players talking about what they were doing there. Bowe pops up briefly in the video. Looks like an intense practice.

Chiefs receiver Dwayne Bowe attended Larry Fitzgerald's summer camp for NFL players. Two of the men in attendance were once good receivers in their day -- Michael Irvin and Cris Carter.

Chip Scoggins of the Minneapolis Star-Tribune reports Bowe received some "tough love" from Irvin and Carter. Apparently, Bowe had taken nearly two weeks off of workouts and was overwhelmed by the conditioning aspect of all of it.

"Can you imagine your first day coming back to 14 100s?" Bowe told the Star-Tribune. "Man, it was like college again. I’ve never done this intensive competing, conditioning and technique in one day."

Apparently, the Chiefs knew Bowe would be here talking to Irvin and Carter.

"I don’t get mad about kids coming or not coming," Carter said. "Larry is the only one who invited me. Larry is the only one but some people in Kansas City as far as their administration kind of knew I was going to be here. We kind of let them know that I would be here for [receiver Dwayne] Bowe."

I take this as a good sign. If the Chiefs had given up Bowe, or thought he didn't have what it takes to be great, they wouldn't have bothered talking with Carter.

All of the signs seem to point to Bowe having a pretty good season. I think Bowe can certainly improve on his 2008 season where he had 157 targets, 86 receptions for 1,022 yards, and 7 TDs where he finished as WR16. With another season under Todd Haley, the emergence of Jamaal Charles, the arrival of Charlie Weiss, Thomas Jones, and Dexter McCluster, another receiving threat in Chris Chambers, a weak defense, and a favorable schedule the Chiefs have the makings of a "perfect storm" for alot of fantasy points in 2010.

85 receptions for 1,100 yards and 9 TDs.

 

[Riflemen]

I just threw up my projection on another thread. 85 1200 10. I think he's maturing in his 4th year and I think Haley's handling of him has been excellent. Tough love may just work. Love his talent but his past is definitely spotty. Check out this youtube video of some highlights and lowlights (Bowe flashing $$ while rapping sans shirt). I'm sure I'm missing the point but I'm pretty sure Jerry Rice never starred in his own Youtube video. Sick football highlights though.

 

[Pots]

He burned me bad last season. Was counting on him to be a solid WR2. I don't trust him or the Chiefs this year.

65/850/6

 

[Gopher State]

60/800/4 overvalued and over drafted in most FF drafts

 

[Max Power]

Bowe is a tough nut to crack. I invested in him because I think the kid does have WR1 upside.

his Rookie year he was lighting it up before teams were really game planning for him. He looked to have a MAJOR drop off once he started seeing double coverage or a man deep.

Then his second season he maintained value mainly due to a terrible Chiefs team that targeted him 10+ times a game.

His third season wasn't as bad as some people seem to sell it as. PPG wise, it was pretty decent.

Now the forth year is going to be make or break. To me it looks like he is taking his career seriously now, adding Weis, a better OL and a running game, I think Bowe will be a solid WR2. Finish somewhere in the 15-22 WR range.

Bottom line...if you believe buy, if you dont sell. This will be his make or break year.

 

[HenryWinklerRulez]

Think id rather pass and get someone like Nicks even later in the draft.

 

[Snickers]

Think id rather pass and get someone like Nicks even later in the draft.

Nicks went well before Bowe in my draft. I went heavy on WRs in my draft and grabbed Bowe fairly late as my #3 WR (Andre & Calvin Johnson are my top 2) and then grabbed McCluster with one of my last picks. I love having Bowe as a WR3.

 

[ChromeWeasel]

Think id rather pass and get someone like Nicks even later in the draft.

Nicks went well before Bowe in my draft. I went heavy on WRs in my draft and grabbed Bowe fairly late as my #3 WR (Andre & Calvin Johnson are my top 2) and then grabbed McCluster with one of my last picks. I love having Bowe as a WR3.

Im in that boat. Seem like an easy WR3 with upside of high WR2. Unless he gets injured he's a top 36 WR. How can he not be? He's the main target on an improving team.

 

[pantherclub]

60/800/4 overvalued and over drafted in most FF drafts

Why do you think that? He got that td total last year in limited action.I think you are way off on him here.