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i was wondering this as well.
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[Dynasty] 2008 Rookie Drafts (1 Viewer)
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JPeso
Footballguy
My guess is after the NFL Draft they will have a finalized list and add all of the rooks to the system at once, as opposed to add them one-by-one until then.
jeter23
Footballguy
There are a lot of reason to use MFL, but this is one of the most important.
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awesomeness
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Yahoo sucks for NFL fantasy. Here are a couple reasons why off my head:1) As others have said, it doesn't run year long.
2) For some reason which i do not understand, it groups all linebackers as DL.
3) The max amount of player spots allowed per team is something like 25. For teams with large rosters, it simply makes Yahoo unusable.
4) Scoring doesn't update til the day after the games are played.
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Will
Drunk, not Stupid
I'm the one without a clue.... But it doesn't hold me up! :-D
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
This must make the NFL draft much more fun. 
Now our league only does round 1 but it was back in 2001 or 2002 I think that we had finished our first round and went to a bar to watch the draft. I had taken Lamont Jordan with the 9th pick overall. It came to the Bears being on the clock in the 2nd round and I stood up and said with a big grin that the Bears select Lamont Jordan RB Maryland. Ooops I was wrong and it became a legendary moment in our league and big egg on my face. . Instead he goes to the Jets with Cumar already on board. Luckily I was able to trade him after sitting on him for 2 years to a team and got Chad Johnson back. Now that has been legendary for meThis must make the NFL draft much more fun.
This years draft is going to lead to alot of heartbreak for owners in our league once again. But it all works out down the line.
Illegal Pants Downfield
Footballguy
Was just thinking about that...presents the opportunity for a lot of Rolaids moments (good and bad!) during the NFL Draft...Chaos Commish said:This must make the NFL draft much more fun.
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
any thoughts on the actual draft itself?
Who has drafted well?
Poorly?
Surprizes?
Nice late picks?
etc
Who has drafted well?
Poorly?
Surprizes?
Nice late picks?
etc
identikit
Footballguy
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Rodeojones
Footballguy
jeter23
Footballguy
Fallerjw
Footballguy
Interesting Forte at pick 1.04
Team Legacy
Footballguy
HA1 -1. McFadden2. Stewart3. Mendenhall4. Forte5. Felix JonesSomebody explain to me how Felix Jones has more upside than Kevin Smith? I mean, how does Jones get past MB3, are we banking on Dallas not giving Barber a new contract? Just curious how others perceive Jones upside.
comfortably numb
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Neo
The Dude minds
Some people in dynasty believe in talent over situation no matter what. This guy may just think Felix is the better prospect.
comfortably numb
Footballguy
Could someone please tell Football Jones to pick already!!!!!
Neo
The Dude minds
Look at that guys receivers...if I were him I'd trade back.
jwb
Footballguy
Really? I would think that Forte/Smith (or the reverse) will be the 4/5 in most rookie drafts. Easily the best mix of talent and immediate situation.
EBF
Footballguy
1. Barber is still unproven as a featured back2. The Cowboys are a better team than the Lions 3. This is a PPR league. Jones fits the PPR stud mold a little better than Smith.4. Felix was the third RB taken, drafted 22nd overall. Smith was a third round pick. First round picks typically have a much better success rate than third round picks. I've got the 1.04 in a PPR and I'll probably take Felix. Gambling on situation over talent is dangerous business.
I'm not sure why this situation is so confusing.1. Uh Barber won't be the feature back, it's RBBC. That's why they drafted Felix, to run the two back system. 2. Okay, but when KJ was healthy, he killed Barber or JJ in terms of FF. Lots more touches, equals lots more FF points.3. Actually Kevin Smith is the IDEAL mold for a PPR stud, he's a 3 down back. A 3rd down back is the perfect fit for PPR? Like Chris Perry? KS has very good hands.4. So Jerry reached, that should bump him up in my FF rankings?Dallas believes Felix Jones is a complementary back in the NFL, and drafted Choice to be the actual backup starting RB to Barber. They view Jones as the bench end of RBBC (ie limited touches). Jerry said he sees Barber/Felix as the ideal RB combo, thunder and lightning. Maybe Dallas is wrong, but they own his rights probably for the next 5 years. Even if Barber leaves, Felix isn't starting. And so Dallas reached to get Felix, that doesn't add anything to his stock IMHO. Dallas believes in the RBBC approach! End of story. Barber got 16 TDs one year, and still didn't start the next year. They run the two back system, PERIOD. It's not up for debate. People having wet dreams that Felix Jones is going to come in, be the feature RB, get 20 touches a game, dominate the league. Um, no.
EBF
Footballguy
The big problem with this is that you're assuming Jones will succeed. It's just as likely that he'll flop and they'll draft Chris Wells next year. Opportunity is necessary for success, but opportunity does not guarantee success. As for Jones being a reach, I read that the Steelers had him as one of the guys they would take at 23 if he was available. So there's at least one other team who considered him a first round talent. If Dallas felt there wasn't a strong consensus that he was a first round pick then they would've waited until their second pick to take him. Anyhow, Smith certainly could outperform Felix. Frank Gore is a recent example of a third round pick who became a better pro than the first round backs in his draft. Smith has that potential, but I don't think it's a reach to take Felix over Smith. I think it's probably the safer pick. Yes, he may be a RBBC guy in the short term, but talented players earn larger roles (see: Tiki, Westbrook), so I don't think there's a cap on Felix's long-term upside just because he's a backup at the moment.
I'm coming down on Felix Jones, I'm not assuming he'll succeed. I just assumed everyone knew rookies can bust.The Steelers? The team who also wants to run a two back system? So TWO teams think Felix is a good bench end of the RBBC. That sorta supports my side of it.As for he could blossom in 4-5-6 years. Sure. In terms of roster equity, it's -EV in my books. You got a guy pegged as a limited touch guy, in a limited touch system, with an owner/GM/coach who see him as a limited touch RB. That's a lot to overcome. Like you said, Dallas will draft another RB if Barber or Felix don't work out. They're in love with this two back system. Barber was a probowl RB, and they still burned a 1st round pick to run this two back system. Felix in Dallas will be RBBC. It's a longshot to expect him to pan out, and somehow become a feature workhorse RB. That's fools gold if you ask me.In 2013 might he pull a Michael Turner and get a starting gig in a feature back system? Sure. But I'm not using 1.04 or 1.05 in a dynasty draft on a Michael Turner. But then again I play in leagues with 18-28 roster spots. You simply can't invest 4 years of roster space on a backup RB. 53 man rosters, okay if I really loved Felix. And for what it's worth, Kevin Smith killed Felix in college. And was uh, a starter. Felix Jones has huge risk, huge downside, and is anything but a "safe talent pick at 1.04 or 1.05". He's actually far riskier then Smith, and is far less proven, and translates far worse to the NFL game - at least physically. At least with KS you know what you have very quickly, and can free up that roster spot or trade him for some value. Then use that roster spot to cycle in flier WW selections for the next 3 years. I just don't see why you'd want to lock up a roster space on Jones for a veryyy long time. We don't even know if Turner is a good RB yet.
EBF
Footballguy
I agree with this, but not much else that you have to say on the topic.As far as being more physically gifted, Felix is the better overall athlete. Smith is heavier. Felix is quicker, faster, and more explosive. He did better than Smith in almost every combine drill, so to say he "'translates far worse to the NFL game - at least physically" is just not accurate. Good players get on the field and make plays. If Felix Jones is good enough to be picked at 1.22 then he might be good enough to become another Reggie Bush or MJD type contributor. I think there's more short-term upside there than some people realize. I might have a hard time passing on that for a third round RB. Really depends on my league setup and my roster composition. I do agree that Smith has a little more short-term home run potential.
Hoss_Cartwright
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HyperActive 1 - Active Conference
1.01 McFadden, Darren OAK RB
1.02 Mendenhall, Rashard PIT RB
1.03 Stewart, Jonathan CAR RB
1.04 Jones, Felix DAL RB
1.05 Kevin Smith RB, Detroit Lions
1.06 Matt Forte, Chicago Bears RB
1.07 Rice, Ray BAL RB
1.08 Charles, Jamaal KCC RB
1.09 Hardy, James BUF WR
1.10 Johnson, Chris TEN RB
1.11 Thomas, Devin WAS WR
1.12 Ryan, Matt ATL QB
1.13 Jackson, DeSean PHI WR
2.01 Sweed, Limas PIT WR
2.02 Manningham, Mario NYG WR
2.03 Slaton, Steve HOU RB
2.04 Carlson, John SEA TE
2.05 Flacco, Joe BAL QB
2.06 Brohm, Brian GBP QB
2.07 Kelly, Malcolm WAS WR
2.08 Avery, Donnie STL WR
2.09 Henne, Chad MIA QB
2.10 Bennett, Earl CHI WR
2.11 Torain, Ryan DEN RB
2.12 Hester, Jacob SDC RB
3.01 Doucet, Early ARI WR
3.02 Caldwell, Andre CIN WR
3.03 Nelson, Jordy GBP WR
3.04 Simpson, Jerome CIN WR
3.05 Hart, Mike IND RB
1.01 McFadden, Darren OAK RB
1.02 Mendenhall, Rashard PIT RB
1.03 Stewart, Jonathan CAR RB
1.04 Jones, Felix DAL RB
1.05 Kevin Smith RB, Detroit Lions
1.06 Matt Forte, Chicago Bears RB
1.07 Rice, Ray BAL RB
1.08 Charles, Jamaal KCC RB
1.09 Hardy, James BUF WR
1.10 Johnson, Chris TEN RB
1.11 Thomas, Devin WAS WR
1.12 Ryan, Matt ATL QB
1.13 Jackson, DeSean PHI WR
2.01 Sweed, Limas PIT WR
2.02 Manningham, Mario NYG WR
2.03 Slaton, Steve HOU RB
2.04 Carlson, John SEA TE
2.05 Flacco, Joe BAL QB
2.06 Brohm, Brian GBP QB
2.07 Kelly, Malcolm WAS WR
2.08 Avery, Donnie STL WR
2.09 Henne, Chad MIA QB
2.10 Bennett, Earl CHI WR
2.11 Torain, Ryan DEN RB
2.12 Hester, Jacob SDC RB
3.01 Doucet, Early ARI WR
3.02 Caldwell, Andre CIN WR
3.03 Nelson, Jordy GBP WR
3.04 Simpson, Jerome CIN WR
3.05 Hart, Mike IND RB
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Alluro
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FFLivewire has Kevin Smith with a 4.43 at the combine, Felix with a 4.47. Vertical jump for smith is 32', Felix 33.5...not sure why Smith's other stats aren't available:http://old.fflivewire.com/players/playerscombine.asp
coolnerd
Footballguy
In my mind the two are rated fairly close before the draft and if anything forte should be rated a little higher. While both list fairly close together in terms of height/weight, Forte has a different and in my mind a better build. In terms of production last year both ran for over 2,000 yards, but Forte did so in 12 games versus 14 and had slightly 5.9 to 5.7 yeards per carry in the same conference. In terms, of a PPR league, neither was used greatly out of the backfield, but Forte causght 32 passes in 12 games versus 23 in 14 games and is considered to have a good understnding of protection and willingness to block. Chicago has been selling him as a three down option.In terms of situation, the Bears are at lest equal if not a better situation. For alll the "coolnerd said:
" smack on this board, Tatum has been a better starter (and is not coming off injury) than Benson. That is probably a backhanded compliment, but also the Lions are converting to being a running team versus the Bears already being a team that will lean run when given a choice. Benson when healthy averaged around 18-20 touches. while Mike Martz has taken his goofiness to the 49ers, the best offensive talent on the Lions are the WRs, so when in doubt my feeling is that they will turn to the pass game versus the Bears having exactly who as their starting WRs now. Neither OL was particularly good and took players in the first round. I will leave that as equal.The final issue is I already have the Bears running game Benson/Peterson in this roster, so if there is a clear winner I am already handcuffed. Honestly, I am hoping that Benson or Peterson gets the axe or moved to another team, so I am not using three roster spots for one teams running game.
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There are those out there that view Rice, Forte, and Smith as better talents than Jones. I think Smith may have the biggest upside of any RB in this draft. He's definitely got some learning to do, but I think he has the natural talent to be worthy of 1.04. But I wouldn't blame anybody for taking Jones or Forte ahead of him.
those mid-2nd's are looking really good this year since the WR's are all bunched up and there are 3 solid QB's going in that area.Burning Sensation
Footballguy
Agreed, there is not a big difference between picks 24 and 13.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
I was pretty pleased to get him at that spot. Brady is my #1 so Ryan isn't needed to start anytime soon, but all I had as #2 was Alex Smith and Drew Stanton (it's possible neither starts this year) and Redman (added this week just so I'd have a breathing starter if Brady gets hurt, plus I was anticipating the likelihood of getting Ryan).
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thecardiackid
Footballguy
Here's ours - just started but in progress.
2nd year / PPR / no IDP
TNP League - rookie draft
not sure where to go w/ the 12 slot yet.
Thanks Jeets for the post.
2nd year / PPR / no IDP
TNP League - rookie draft
not sure where to go w/ the 12 slot yet.
Thanks Jeets for the post.
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As for physically, I meant to be a workhorse RB. I don't really care he was drafted 1.22. Bush was drafted 1.02. And he's an awful RB. Rodgers/Williams were top 10 1st round picks, they're both horrible. Where you are drafted doesn't carry you in the NFL. Felix at 1.04 is a joke. Bloom doesn't even have him ranked in the top 12 in dynasty rookie PPR rankings. And Bloom usually loves talent/upside, and as I said a few posts ago, Choice is the actual backup RB to Barber (which Bloom mentioned in his blurp).EBF said:
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
HyperActive 1 - Active Conference
1.01 McFadden, Darren OAK RB
1.02 Mendenhall, Rashard PIT RB
1.03 Stewart, Jonathan CAR RB
1.04 Jones, Felix DAL RB
1.05 Kevin Smith RB, Detroit Lions
1.06 Matt Forte, Chicago Bears RB
1.07 Rice, Ray BAL RB
1.08 Charles, Jamaal KCC RB
1.09 Hardy, James BUF WR
1.10 Johnson, Chris TEN RB
1.11 Thomas, Devin WAS WR
1.12 Ryan, Matt ATL QB
1.13 Jackson, DeSean PHI WR
2.01 Sweed, Limas PIT WR
2.02 Manningham, Mario NYG WR
2.03 Slaton, Steve HOU RB
2.04 Carlson, John SEA TE
2.05 Flacco, Joe BAL QB
2.06 Brohm, Brian GBP QB
2.07 Kelly, Malcolm WAS WR
2.08 Avery, Donnie STL WR
2.09 Henne, Chad MIA QB
2.10 Bennett, Earl CHI WR
2.11 Torain, Ryan DEN RB
2.12 Hester, Jacob SDC RB
3.01 Doucet, Early ARI WR
3.02 Caldwell, Andre CIN WR
3.03 Nelson, Jordy GBP WR
3.04 Simpson, Jerome CIN WR
3.05 Hart, Mike IND RB
3.06 Hightower, Tim ARI RB
3.07 Keller, Dustin NYJ TE
3.08 Royal, Eddie DEN WR
3.09 Burton, Keenan STL WR
3.10 Parmele, Jalen MIA RB
3.11 Tamme, Jacob IND TE
3.12 Clemens, Kellen NYJ QB
4.01 Choice, Tashard DAL RB
4.02 Forsett, Justin SEA RB
4.03 Boyd, Cory TBB RB
4.04 Booty, John David MIN QB
4.05 Stokley, Brandon DEN WR
4.06 Franklin, Will KCC WR
4.07 Booker, Marty CHI WR
4.08 Hawkins, Lavelle TEN WR
4.09 Jackson, Dexter TBB WR
4.10 Douglas, Harry ATL WR
4.11 Bryant, Antonio TBB WR
4.12 Washington, Chauncey JAC RB
1.01 McFadden, Darren OAK RB
1.02 Mendenhall, Rashard PIT RB
1.03 Stewart, Jonathan CAR RB
1.04 Jones, Felix DAL RB
1.05 Kevin Smith RB, Detroit Lions
1.06 Matt Forte, Chicago Bears RB
1.07 Rice, Ray BAL RB
1.08 Charles, Jamaal KCC RB
1.09 Hardy, James BUF WR
1.10 Johnson, Chris TEN RB
1.11 Thomas, Devin WAS WR
1.12 Ryan, Matt ATL QB
1.13 Jackson, DeSean PHI WR
2.01 Sweed, Limas PIT WR
2.02 Manningham, Mario NYG WR
2.03 Slaton, Steve HOU RB
2.04 Carlson, John SEA TE
2.05 Flacco, Joe BAL QB
2.06 Brohm, Brian GBP QB
2.07 Kelly, Malcolm WAS WR
2.08 Avery, Donnie STL WR
2.09 Henne, Chad MIA QB
2.10 Bennett, Earl CHI WR
2.11 Torain, Ryan DEN RB
2.12 Hester, Jacob SDC RB
3.01 Doucet, Early ARI WR
3.02 Caldwell, Andre CIN WR
3.03 Nelson, Jordy GBP WR
3.04 Simpson, Jerome CIN WR
3.05 Hart, Mike IND RB
3.06 Hightower, Tim ARI RB
3.07 Keller, Dustin NYJ TE
3.08 Royal, Eddie DEN WR
3.09 Burton, Keenan STL WR
3.10 Parmele, Jalen MIA RB
3.11 Tamme, Jacob IND TE
3.12 Clemens, Kellen NYJ QB
4.01 Choice, Tashard DAL RB
4.02 Forsett, Justin SEA RB
4.03 Boyd, Cory TBB RB
4.04 Booty, John David MIN QB
4.05 Stokley, Brandon DEN WR
4.06 Franklin, Will KCC WR
4.07 Booker, Marty CHI WR
4.08 Hawkins, Lavelle TEN WR
4.09 Jackson, Dexter TBB WR
4.10 Douglas, Harry ATL WR
4.11 Bryant, Antonio TBB WR
4.12 Washington, Chauncey JAC RB
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Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
I'd trade away a 2nd for a proven veteran in a heartbeat (and I did in this league, 2.06 for Coles).The problem is that while 13 thru 24 are about even, go ahead and try and pick who will be the stud WR. Good luck with that.Agreed, there is not a big difference between picks 24 and 13.those mid-2nd's are looking really good this year since the WR's are all bunched up and there are 3 solid QB's going in that area.
ConstruxBoy
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Earl Bennett. You're welcome.I'd trade away a 2nd for a proven veteran in a heartbeat (and I did in this league, 2.06 for Coles).The problem is that while 13 thru 24 are about even, go ahead and try and pick who will be the stud WR. Good luck with that.Agreed, there is not a big difference between picks 24 and 13.those mid-2nd's are looking really good this year since the WR's are all bunched up and there are 3 solid QB's going in that area.
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FUBAR
Footballguy
Not to hijack, but did someone get a comp pick or what?
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