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Yea, I think so. People tend to put a high value on rookie RBs and that value tends to climb if the player shows any promise as a rookie. There are probably only a handful of dynasty RBs who clearly have more value than Spiller.And you're right, Spiller will have more trade value than Dez if he lands in a good spot.
The strange thing about Dwyer is that he actually appears to have good long speed in games. I thought he would run a good 40 time. Maybe he's just fat and lazy. Maybe he's just not that fast. Either way, no player disappointed me more today.The big news in rookie drafts has to be the solid performances of Montario Hardesty and Ben Tate. Both guys have always been in the discussion as potential middle round picks in the NFL draft, but they really stepped up today and proved that they might be viable options in the 2nd-3rd round of the NFL draft. These guys could potentially step in and produce immediately if they land in favorable situations. I think they're due for a big move up while guys like Stafon Johnson, Joique Bell, LeGarrette Blount, and Anthony Dixon will be downgraded.
I've seen plays where Dwyer was caught, speed wise, from behind however the defensive backs that caught him bounced off of him when attempting to take down the locomotive in motion.
Running a 40 at the beginning of a game and running one at the end of the third quarter will get you very different numbers.
Thats the first thing that came to my mind when I saw Dwyer, looked softer than the other RBs at the combine.I don't know what to make of Gilyard. To me he's a better player than his measureables, but I don't envision him to be anything more than a WR2 myself.
Didn't Greene also run in the 4.62 range last year?
4.62 exactly at the combine, 4.55 at his pro day.
So basically he is another diva WR that is going to produce, despite being a headcase at times.
Is it possible that the offense he was in gave him the opportunity for some long runs without any deep safety help to catch him? With the option and being an up-back, once he gets through the LOS, he's home free. Not sure he's going to see that in the NFL.
Sure thats possible. But he definitely beat FSU's defense around the corner for a 65-70 yarder this year. He outran the UGA defense twice last year. He's no Spiller in terms of speed but I do think he has solid football speed and people are overreacting big time to the 40 time.
I know "officiallly" Best ran faster, but I have a hard time believing Spiller's unofficial time dropped a full 0.1 of a second. 4.27 to 4.37 is pretty substantial and "unofficially" I just don't think Best turned in a faster 40 time. All that said, both guys are blazing fast.
Not only was the 4.27 off by 0.1, but apparently his other run, which was clocked at 4.28, was off by at least 0.1 as well. It's very strange to me that two runs by the same guy were off by 0.1 seconds.
This is largely a guess at the rankings by talent as the OP sees the prospects. If you have a general sense of talent going into the draft then it seems easier to adjust the list by situation than to wait until after the NFL draft to figure out both. Also, depending on how heavy you personally weight talent and situation this maybe the significantly larger component.CanadianNFLJunkie said:
That all depends on your league. There are dynasty leagues where owners actually have the rookie draft *before* the NFL draft. And these owners are quite happy drafting the "player's talent" over the "player's situation." Mendenhall, Greene & come to mind from the pro's for the talent advocate, whereas Kevin Smith comes to mind as a recent "con" example for the "situation" advocate.All in all - it's just fun sharing thoughts before in the "off-season."CanadianNFLJunkie said:
#3....behind Bryant and Mathews
Or you could have taken Mendenhall over Chris Johnson
It's not just the 40 time. Dwyer pretty much failed at everything yesterday.Ramblin Wreck said:
Best had hip surgery, and an injury that ended his season. Not really sure why it would be a mistake to draft Spiller over Best and I like both players very much.ETA:shader said:
http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdo...?urn=nfl,219952
This is 100% a guess but aren't the official times electronic and the unofficial manual (stopwatch)? If so, that could easily explain a 0.1 second discrepancy.gianmarco said:
This is what I always thought. The odd thing with Spiller was that his times seemed to be effected the most. The official electronic time starts at first movement, I believe. And I haven't gone back and replayed his runs yet, but I'm wondering if he had some kind of small movement at the start that wasn't picked up by the unofficial time. Regardless, it's still a very fast time and he's still blazing fast on the field.
No Way Jose said:
I really like this guy and I think he'll be around later in drafts for people to take a shot at. He runs unafraid to stick his helmet into defenders. He has good pre-LOS moves, but doesn't frivolously use them and he finds the right hole to hit regularly. I also like him the open field as that he has a way to get DBs on their heels. He's a competent receiver as well. One thing is odd is that I don't recall seeing him ever stiffarm someone. I could just be blanking here, but anyone familiar with him recall that? I don't think he has an extra gear, but he could rip off 20 yarders regularly.
I don't know about all that. Guess time will tell.
This was my thought, too. I think he may have an initial "first movement" that starts the electronic timer before he really gets moving. It happened with both of his runs but not others, which is either quite a coincidence or a hitch in the way he starts his 40.In track, hand times are always faster. However, they seemed to be doing quite a good job with the unofficial (hand) time for everyone else during the combine.
Sounds like Plaxico Burress.
I'm not too sure what you mean when you say "north/south ability". So maybe you could explain what that is. But if it means what i think it means, than i think Best has a lot more north/south ability than CJ Spiller does. Jahvid Best runs in a pro-style offense, which is why he is experienced at running between the tackles, and he has also shown that he is a successful runner between the tackles. CJ Spiller on the other hand bounces his runs to the outside way to often. If he does that in the NFL he's going to struggle mightily as NFL defenders are significantly faster than NCAA defenses.
I saw a few Cal games this year and in each he struggled running between the tackles. The only time he was productive was to the outside. I don't see why that's going to change in the NFL.
But on BOTH times? I didn't see any other participant have both of their "unofficial" times altered by more than 0.1.
Here's Best's
