[DYNASTY] 2011 Top 20 Rookies (1 Viewer)

[eakfootball]

Titus Young should be in the top 10, reminds me of a mix between Mike Thomas and Mike Wallace

 

[Carl Eller's Dead Liver]

Why isn't anyone talking about Torrey Smith? I have read on some scouts pages that he is a late 1st or early 2nd rounder. He has great hands and reported 4.37 forty speed. Could he be the next Desean Jackson?

 

[fruity pebbles]

Why isn't anyone talking about Torrey Smith? I have read on some scouts pages that he is a late 1st or early 2nd rounder. He has great hands and reported 4.37 forty speed. Could he be the next Desean Jackson?

Think its his hands. Some have compared him to DHB which i think is unfair but he is an arm catcher.

 

[Carl Eller's Dead Liver]

Why isn't anyone talking about Torrey Smith? I have read on some scouts pages that he is a late 1st or early 2nd rounder. He has great hands and reported 4.37 forty speed. Could he be the next Desean Jackson?

Think its his hands. Some have compared him to DHB which i think is unfair but he is an arm catcher.

Fair enough. Well I hope he works on that

 

[loose circuits]

I thought Helu Jr looked good at times. He seemed like a power back, but was able to run away from people in the Mizzou game. Doesn't deserve to be in top 20, but probably deserves to be mentioned

 

[Uruk-Hai]

Good stuff, Funk. This may be a good year to trade down in or out of the 1st round in you don't have a top 3 pick. Possibly stud up at an "off" position with someone like Willis or a TE.As in other threads, I'm going to pimp up Torrey Smith a bit. Not because I'm a Terps fan, but because I've seen him more than anyone else and think he's being miscatagorized as a Heyward-Bey clone. He's not. He's not quite as fast but has plenty enough speed. He has much better hands and runs better routes. He's a football player who's fast, not a sprinter who plays football.

What do you think about his NFL potential? Future starter? #1 receiver potential?

I dunno - I'm not good at projecting players. I've been trying to think of someone playing now to compare him to but am coming up empty. He reminds me a bit of John Taylor. I'm not saying he'll have that kind of success, just that's who he seems to resemble. I don't know if he'll ever be a #1, but he won't cost what #1s do either and he does have potential. He seems to be pretty smart (graduated in December) and, like many, has had a rough upbringing that he seems to have turned into positive things. If any of our resident evaluation gurus have seen him, I'd be interested in their thoughts. But Maryland's a pretty low-profile program these days so I doubt Smith has been on anyone's radar. I know there was one post in a "prospects" thread here where one of the national draft experts mentioned Smith and didn't have glowing things to say. But I wonder how much he's actually seen TS as his description seemed to describe a different player than the one I watched (hence my DHB comments above).Smith's also a good return guy, so I think he's got a good chance to stick in some capacity.

 

[guderian]

 

[Northbound Train]

 

[el centro]

EBF,

Do you have an update to your list? I'm sure it's in another thread somewhere...

 

[DesmondBishop]

One guy I like is Matt Szczur, but will need to land on the right team, but he can run, return and catch. Suppose to have 4.4 speed, I think the Welker/Edelman/Woodhead comparison is fair, but he may go MLB instead.

 

[BigTex]

I missed this:

Stevan Ridley RB (LSU) declared for the draft: http://www.lsureveille.com/ridley-to-enter...draft-1.2431811

 

[Dave Larkin]

I'll be interested to see Cobb's combine numbers. He was as impressive an SEC athlete as I saw all season. There just has to be a place for him in the NFL.

Randall Cobb seems to be a player that is difficult to label or to compare to any existing NFL player. Josh Cribbs and Brad Smith have been thrown around as ideas. I've only seen him play once but I came away very impressed. A good offensive mind will use him the right way.

 

[JohnnyU]

I'll be interested to see Cobb's combine numbers. He was as impressive an SEC athlete as I saw all season. There just has to be a place for him in the NFL.

Randall Cobb seems to be a player that is difficult to label or to compare to any existing NFL player. Josh Cribbs and Brad Smith have been thrown around as ideas. I've only seen him play once but I came away very impressed. A good offensive mind will use him the right way.

I can tell you that Cobb's receiving ability is 10 times that of either Josh Cribbs or Brad Smith. Those two are not a good comparison at all. He's a great football talent that may be raw at the WR position, but has shown he has a lot of potential. He has football intelligence and showed he has natural ability at WR. Anyone thinking of him as a gimmick type of player don't know doo doo from shinola.

 

[Spike]

I'll be interested to see Cobb's combine numbers. He was as impressive an SEC athlete as I saw all season. There just has to be a place for him in the NFL.

Randall Cobb seems to be a player that is difficult to label or to compare to any existing NFL player. Josh Cribbs and Brad Smith have been thrown around as ideas. I've only seen him play once but I came away very impressed. A good offensive mind will use him the right way.

Plus, he was great in Raising Arizona.

 

[JohnnyU]

I'll be interested to see Cobb's combine numbers. He was as impressive an SEC athlete as I saw all season. There just has to be a place for him in the NFL.

Randall Cobb seems to be a player that is difficult to label or to compare to any existing NFL player. Josh Cribbs and Brad Smith have been thrown around as ideas. I've only seen him play once but I came away very impressed. A good offensive mind will use him the right way.

Plus, he was great in Raising Arizona.

Most don't remember him as such, just Randall "Tex" Cobb

 

[Bri]

I'll be interested to see Cobb's combine numbers. He was as impressive an SEC athlete as I saw all season. There just has to be a place for him in the NFL.

Randall Cobb seems to be a player that is difficult to label or to compare to any existing NFL player. Josh Cribbs and Brad Smith have been thrown around as ideas. I've only seen him play once but I came away very impressed. A good offensive mind will use him the right way.

Assuming he plays significant minutes as a rook, I am so anxious to see how he affects FF. (None of which follows really amount to him playing much either So if Cobb throws for 30, runs for 30 and catches 3 for 30, is that better than player X running for 100? And then it'll be things like throwing for 30 yards-what is that two passes? three? Will a coach even bother? How reliable is it that he'll play QB a few plays this week. If he's in at RB, why don't they just direct snap to him when he's a QB in the shotgun? What about when....oh I'm so hopeful he goes to the right team. The entertainment this guy could give us watching and then discussing this or that possibility is just endless. Like I said earlier-he is what we thought we had with Brad Smith, Josh Cribbs, Matt Jones, and whomever else. He is comfortable and fluid playing QB, RB, or WR and looks the part. He's not fast and running to a spot where he's hopefully open like Brad Smith. He's a gazelle running a proper route and raking the ball in with breakaway ability like a traditional WR. He's not Josh Cribbs flicking the ball or firing it quickly to some guy that had better be open, he's back doing his best Steve Young imitation reading a D and seeing who is open as he scrambles just outside the pocket then throwing the ball with some touch. We have never seen a guy this comfy at both QB and WR. There was always this metamorphosis we thought they'd go through as they developed.

 

[Carl Eller's Dead Liver]

Good stuff, Funk. This may be a good year to trade down in or out of the 1st round in you don't have a top 3 pick. Possibly stud up at an "off" position with someone like Willis or a TE.As in other threads, I'm going to pimp up Torrey Smith a bit. Not because I'm a Terps fan, but because I've seen him more than anyone else and think he's being miscatagorized as a Heyward-Bey clone. He's not. He's not quite as fast but has plenty enough speed. He has much better hands and runs better routes. He's a football player who's fast, not a sprinter who plays football.

What do you think about his NFL potential? Future starter? #1 receiver potential?

I dunno - I'm not good at projecting players. I've been trying to think of someone playing now to compare him to but am coming up empty. He reminds me a bit of John Taylor. I'm not saying he'll have that kind of success, just that's who he seems to resemble. I don't know if he'll ever be a #1, but he won't cost what #1s do either and he does have potential. He seems to be pretty smart (graduated in December) and, like many, has had a rough upbringing that he seems to have turned into positive things. If any of our resident evaluation gurus have seen him, I'd be interested in their thoughts. But Maryland's a pretty low-profile program these days so I doubt Smith has been on anyone's radar. I know there was one post in a "prospects" thread here where one of the national draft experts mentioned Smith and didn't have glowing things to say. But I wonder how much he's actually seen TS as his description seemed to describe a different player than the one I watched (hence my DHB comments above).Smith's also a good return guy, so I think he's got a good chance to stick in some capacity.

I just don't see the alligator arms others are talking about. He seems to catch with his hands to me. CBS draft guys have him as a late 1st or early 2nd rounder. Is Torrey notorious for dropping balls or something?

 

[Ariakis]

Obviously it's way too early because we haven't had the draft let alone the combines nor the final deadline for who declares but I could see some strategy decisions to make soon. It really depends where these players go but this may really be a draft to trade out of like a mid to late 1st for a 2nd or 3rd and a first next year if you can find a trade partner. Of course, all it takes is a few RB's outside of the top 2 tiers to land in Miami, New Orleans, or another destination likely to give 250+ touches to change our fantasy outlook. Of course, we saw how that worked out this year with Tate, Hardesty, etc.

 

[EBF]

I don't think Cobb is that similar to Cribbs/Smith. I think he's more of a Peter Warrick type of player. Short and shifty with a knack for making plays. Seems like he could become a good #2 WR in the NFL.

 

[BeTheMatch]

I don't think Cobb is that similar to Cribbs/Smith. I think he's more of a Peter Warrick type of player. Short and shifty with a knack for making plays. Seems like he could become a good #2 WR in the NFL.

I'm still surprised Peter Warrick never did anything in the NFL.

 

[Bri]

I don't think Cobb is that similar to Cribbs/Smith. I think he's more of a Peter Warrick type of player. Short and shifty with a knack for making plays. Seems like he could become a good #2 WR in the NFL.

I'm still surprised Peter Warrick never did anything in the NFL.

He is, he just changed his name to Reggie Bush now.Really it was bad coaching and a poisonous bad resulting attitude to that bad coaching.

 

[jeter23]

I'll be interested to see Cobb's combine numbers. He was as impressive an SEC athlete as I saw all season. There just has to be a place for him in the NFL.

Randall Cobb seems to be a player that is difficult to label or to compare to any existing NFL player. Josh Cribbs and Brad Smith have been thrown around as ideas. I've only seen him play once but I came away very impressed. A good offensive mind will use him the right way.

Assuming he plays significant minutes as a rook, I am so anxious to see how he affects FF. (None of which follows really amount to him playing much either So if Cobb throws for 30, runs for 30 and catches 3 for 30, is that better than player X running for 100? And then it'll be things like throwing for 30 yards-what is that two passes? three? Will a coach even bother? How reliable is it that he'll play QB a few plays this week. If he's in at RB, why don't they just direct snap to him when he's a QB in the shotgun? What about when....oh I'm so hopeful he goes to the right team. The entertainment this guy could give us watching and then discussing this or that possibility is just endless. Like I said earlier-he is what we thought we had with Brad Smith, Josh Cribbs, Matt Jones, and whomever else. He is comfortable and fluid playing QB, RB, or WR and looks the part. He's not fast and running to a spot where he's hopefully open like Brad Smith. He's a gazelle running a proper route and raking the ball in with breakaway ability like a traditional WR. He's not Josh Cribbs flicking the ball or firing it quickly to some guy that had better be open, he's back doing his best Steve Young imitation reading a D and seeing who is open as he scrambles just outside the pocket then throwing the ball with some touch. We have never seen a guy this comfy at both QB and WR. There was always this metamorphosis we thought they'd go through as they developed.

Hey Bri, I am a big fan of Cobb and I think he could surprise many at the next level, but I don't get the Qb talk. I think he might have the same number of passes as a Ronnie Brown or LT when they were running the gimmick plays, less than 5 a year. It's just not what he is anymore.

 

[EBF]

I don't think Cobb is that similar to Cribbs/Smith. I think he's more of a Peter Warrick type of player. Short and shifty with a knack for making plays. Seems like he could become a good #2 WR in the NFL.

I'm still surprised Peter Warrick never did anything in the NFL.

Warrick's problem was that he was a 4.6 guy at only 5'10"-5'11". Cobb has similar size and skills, but looks to have better speed. I think that bodes well for him. Warrick was a bust for Cincy, but not a complete wash. He was starting to make some noise before the injuries wiped him out.

 

[Bri]

Hey Bri, I am a big fan of Cobb and I think he could surprise many at the next level, but I don't get the Qb talk. I think he might have the same number of passes as a Ronnie Brown or LT when they were running the gimmick plays, less than 5 a year. It's just not what he is anymore.

I only said a few per game earlier. 3 I think.I think it will matter to NFL head coaches that he looked good in a pro style offense under former NFL head coach Rich Brooks.

I don't think Cobb is elite at any one area and he may fall in the draft. I'm not sure he's a second rounder. He might be fourth. He has "it" and that'll be big. He can do anything and seems like he probably has in college. I wouldn't be surprised if you said he kicked, punted, or played defense in practice at Kentucky.

Troy Brown made the pro bowl and was sorta elite for a year or two. I don't mean those years, so a young or old Troy Brown. I got the impression that BB loved Troy and when things went wrong if he could go to anyone to "stop the bleeding" it'd be Troy. He played DB a little late in his career. He played WR and made some huge third down catches but sorta faded away and Deion Branch or someone else would get all the love. He was mr. reliable on punt returns and made a few plays. He'd play on the kick and/or punt team if needed and make a tackle. The fans adored him for his "nails" or "clutch" ability and his usefulness. Somewhere in here is Cobb IMO. Some smushed up version of Troy and a guy like Brad Smith or Joe Cribbs. IMO The best things he has going for him is he is a natural athlete in the exact meaning of the over-used phrase, that he can be useful, that he'll probably save a coach a roster spot on gamedays and cut down days and he'll probably waste the opposition's time preparing for him. Not to mention he seems to have a supreme understanding of the game.

IMO He's too short. He is tough, but he's too short and not thick like MJD or other short guys. He's fast and he's quick but the NFL is filled with super fast and super quick players. Locke is NFL fast. Cobb is not. I'd guess 4.5 or 4.6 with Cobb.

I saw at ESPN they list him at 185. If ever there was a weight I thought was wrong it's that. I'd sarcastically ask if it's possible to have negative body fat. We are talking about a guy that lives in the weight room.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

Good stuff, Funk. This may be a good year to trade down in or out of the 1st round in you don't have a top 3 pick. Possibly stud up at an "off" position with someone like Willis or a TE.

As in other threads, I'm going to pimp up Torrey Smith a bit. Not because I'm a Terps fan, but because I've seen him more than anyone else and think he's being miscatagorized as a Heyward-Bey clone. He's not. He's not quite as fast but has plenty enough speed. He has much better hands and runs better routes. He's a football player who's fast, not a sprinter who plays football.

What do you think about his NFL potential? Future starter? #1 receiver potential?

I dunno - I'm not good at projecting players. I've been trying to think of someone playing now to compare him to but am coming up empty. He reminds me a bit of John Taylor. I'm not saying he'll have that kind of success, just that's who he seems to resemble. I don't know if he'll ever be a #1, but he won't cost what #1s do either and he does have potential. He seems to be pretty smart (graduated in December) and, like many, has had a rough upbringing that he seems to have turned into positive things. If any of our resident evaluation gurus have seen him, I'd be interested in their thoughts. But Maryland's a pretty low-profile program these days so I doubt Smith has been on anyone's radar. I know there was one post in a "prospects" thread here where one of the national draft experts mentioned Smith and didn't have glowing things to say. But I wonder how much he's actually seen TS as his description seemed to describe a different player than the one I watched (hence my DHB comments above).

Smith's also a good return guy, so I think he's got a good chance to stick in some capacity.

I just don't see the alligator arms others are talking about. He seems to catch with his hands to me. CBS draft guys have him as a late 1st or early 2nd rounder. Is Torrey notorious for dropping balls or something?

Nope. That's why I think some of these "experts" are just projecting him as DHB 2.0 without having seen him play.

 

[J-Dawg]

Good stuff, Funk. This may be a good year to trade down in or out of the 1st round in you don't have a top 3 pick. Possibly stud up at an "off" position with someone like Willis or a TE.

As in other threads, I'm going to pimp up Torrey Smith a bit. Not because I'm a Terps fan, but because I've seen him more than anyone else and think he's being miscatagorized as a Heyward-Bey clone. He's not. He's not quite as fast but has plenty enough speed. He has much better hands and runs better routes. He's a football player who's fast, not a sprinter who plays football.

What do you think about his NFL potential? Future starter? #1 receiver potential?

I dunno - I'm not good at projecting players. I've been trying to think of someone playing now to compare him to but am coming up empty. He reminds me a bit of John Taylor. I'm not saying he'll have that kind of success, just that's who he seems to resemble. I don't know if he'll ever be a #1, but he won't cost what #1s do either and he does have potential. He seems to be pretty smart (graduated in December) and, like many, has had a rough upbringing that he seems to have turned into positive things. If any of our resident evaluation gurus have seen him, I'd be interested in their thoughts. But Maryland's a pretty low-profile program these days so I doubt Smith has been on anyone's radar. I know there was one post in a "prospects" thread here where one of the national draft experts mentioned Smith and didn't have glowing things to say. But I wonder how much he's actually seen TS as his description seemed to describe a different player than the one I watched (hence my DHB comments above).

Smith's also a good return guy, so I think he's got a good chance to stick in some capacity.

I just don't see the alligator arms others are talking about. He seems to catch with his hands to me. CBS draft guys have him as a late 1st or early 2nd rounder. Is Torrey notorious for dropping balls or something?

Nope. That's why I think some of these "experts" are just projecting him as DHB 2.0 without having seen him play.

Torrey Smith is somebody I'm going to be paying attention to leading up to the draft. Here's a good thread about him on the Draft Countdown forums, good read. http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43944

 

[Tick]

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[Poppa]

 

[Carl Eller's Dead Liver]

Why no talk on Jordan Todman??

 

[EBF]

Why no talk on Jordan Todman??

I watched the Fiesta Bowl and didn't come away impressed with Todman. I think he's a late round pick at best.

 

[DansRams]

Why no talk on Jordan Todman??

I think Todman falls in a large group of RBs that have the potential to rise up draft boards based on workouts. I'm not saying they will...but they couldIn that groupD LewisD. ThomasS VereenD MurrayD CarterK HunterB PowellT. JonesA BradfordD ScottG CooperJ HarperS RidleyR HeluIt is an interesting draft due to the large number of these type of talents...A 40 that comes in .1 better than expected or a weigh in of 7-10 pounds more than expected without a loss of speed could move the draft positions of any one of these guys. Who knows which one though.For example..what is D Carter has a good Senior bowl and then runs a 4.4 or if K Hunter weighs in at 205 and runs a sub 4.4...D Scott just weighed in at 210...what if he runs a 4.3 40 as some have predicted.Those aren't predictions, but what if....Will make for an interesting combine and pre-draft season

 

[BigTex]

Why no talk on Jordan Todman??

I think Todman falls in a large group of RBs that have the potential to rise up draft boards based on workouts. I'm not saying they will...but they couldIn that groupD LewisD. ThomasS VereenD MurrayD CarterK HunterB PowellT. JonesA BradfordD ScottG CooperJ HarperS RidleyR HeluIt is an interesting draft due to the large number of these type of talents...A 40 that comes in .1 better than expected or a weigh in of 7-10 pounds more than expected without a loss of speed could move the draft positions of any one of these guys. Who knows which one though.For example..what is D Carter has a good Senior bowl and then runs a 4.4 or if K Hunter weighs in at 205 and runs a sub 4.4...D Scott just weighed in at 210...what if he runs a 4.3 40 as some have predicted.Those aren't predictions, but what if....Will make for an interesting combine and pre-draft season

Everyone keeps saying to trade away this year's picks for next year's, I totally disagree. There are a lot of gems in this class especially at rb, if you're in a deep dynasty stocking up on 2nd to 4th round picks is the way to go THIS YEAR!

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Good stuff Funk, thanks!

 

[Cookiemonster]

I drafted Dez Bryant last year with my first pick then traded my 2011 first round pick to move back into round one and grabbed Sam Bradford at #10. My 2011 turned out to be the 12th pick. After looking at this draft, I think my move turned out pretty good.

:golfclap: Great job.

 

[Fullback Fro]

:blalckdot:

 

[Bri]

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Ummm...you and Construx with this blackdot and next to no comment stuff just ain't cutting it

 

[Tick]

Sorry, I have nothing to contribute at this point. I haven't started my research, and college FB is the only place where I root strongly for one team to the point of failing to watch other teams very often... it makes me pretty worthless at this point in the offseason.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

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Ummm...you and Construx with this blackdot and next to no comment stuff just ain't cutting it

I do that with threads I want to track but don't have a ton to contribute at the moment,. You're usually a lot better than this Bri.

 

[RustyFA2]

There is a WR in this class that is going to be a clone of Chad johnson/OchoCinco. After the HA drafts I will name him. 4th round rookie pick would be my guess. Many are downgrading this draft but I think it is a really good one for FF.

 

[BigTex]

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Ummm...you and Construx with this blackdot and next to no comment stuff just ain't cutting it

No excuses!

 

[BallparkFrank]

In looking over a ton of random fan NFL mock drafts the past week on other sites, it seems pretty clear that Torrey Smith is the consensus #4 WR off the board behind Green, Jones and Baldwin. He always seems to be going at the top of round 2 in every mock I see. I'm eager to see how he looks at the combine.

 

[BigTex]

Newton more McNabb, less Russell says NFL exec

http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/01/17/newton-mor...-says-nfl-exec/

 

[Bri]

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Ummm...you and Construx with this blackdot and next to no comment stuff just ain't cutting it

I do that with threads I want to track but don't have a ton to contribute at the moment,. You're usually a lot better than this Bri.

Sorry. Consider me "thrown" that you and Tick don't have anything to contribute. Maybe shocked is a better word, sorta count on it around here from you guys. I sure did mean well

 

[jstephany]

Good job EBF. I like Lewis & Baldwin from PITT. Bias here, but I think they'll perform well. jms

 

[ConstruxBoy]

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Ummm...you and Construx with this blackdot and next to no comment stuff just ain't cutting it

I do that with threads I want to track but don't have a ton to contribute at the moment,. You're usually a lot better than this Bri.

Sorry. Consider me "thrown" that you and Tick don't have anything to contribute. Maybe shocked is a better word, sorta count on it around here from you guys. I sure did mean well

OK, I took it as more of a "stop cluttering the thread" remark. Sorry about that Bri. I'm like Tick though with a 2 year old and 4 year old: Need to watch some clips at night leading up to the draft since I didn't watch as many college games. Damn kids.

 

[Crippler]

Interesting to Note

Mayocks top 5 came out yesterday

QB Gabbert, Locker, Newton, Mallet and 4 way tie between Dalton, Stanzi, Devlin and Colin K

RB Ingram, D. Thomas, Leshoure, Williams, 2 way tie for 5th between Quizz R and Hunter

WR Green, Jones, Baldwin, T. Young 3 way tie 5th G. Little, J. Jerrigan, R Cobb

TE Rudolph, Kendricks, Stocker, Williams, Clay

 

[Cookiemonster]

Interesting to Note Mayocks top 5 came out yesterdayQB Gabbert, Locker, Newton, Mallet and 4 way tie between Dalton, Stanzi, Devlin and Colin KRB Ingram, D. Thomas, Leshoure, Williams, 2 way tie for 5th between Quizz R and HunterWR Green, Jones, Baldwin, T. Young 3 way tie 5th G. Little, J. Jerrigan, R CobbTE Rudolph, Kendricks, Stocker, Williams, Clay

It'll get better. He is a bit behind at this point.

 

[Dawg Pound 69]

Interesting to Note

Mayocks top 5 came out yesterday

QB Gabbert, Locker, Newton, Mallet and 4 way tie between Dalton, Stanzi, Devlin and Colin K

RB Ingram, D. Thomas, Leshoure, Williams, 2 way tie for 5th between Quizz R and Hunter

WR Green, Jones, Baldwin, T. Young 3 way tie 5th G. Little, J. Jerrigan, R Cobb

TE Rudolph, Kendricks, Stocker, Williams, Clay

So he is projecting John Clay moving from RB to TE ? Can't see that, pass catching wasn't his strength at Wisconsin.

 

[loose circuits]

Interesting to Note

Mayocks top 5 came out yesterday

QB Gabbert, Locker, Newton, Mallet and 4 way tie between Dalton, Stanzi, Devlin and Colin K

RB Ingram, D. Thomas, Leshoure, Williams, 2 way tie for 5th between Quizz R and Hunter

WR Green, Jones, Baldwin, T. Young 3 way tie 5th G. Little, J. Jerrigan, R Cobb

TE Rudolph, Kendricks, Stocker, Williams, Clay

So he is projecting John Clay moving from RB to TE ? Can't see that, pass catching wasn't his strength at Wisconsin.

Charles Clay (Tulsa)

 

[Kimbo Slice]

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